The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Saint John]

RVR-Tito in 2012.

Great, well at least he has something in common with Palin, they both pee sitting down.

So do I. Standing is dumb.

[Don]

RVR-Tito in 2012.

Great, well at least he has something in common with Palin, they both pee sitting down.

So do I. Standing is dumb.

Do you have low blood pressure?

[RedWingFan]

Anyone have any idea why the "conservative" mainstream media (ie:ABC, NBC, and CBS who edit interviews to portray McCain in a positive light) haven't been giving us wall-to-wall coverage of Dem. Tim Mahoney's sex scandal, like they did with Rep. Mark Foley's e-mail scandal?????

[Uno_up]

Limbaugh, while a jackass at times, is completely right about Powell. He's voting for Obama because he's black. I dare anyone to tell me with a straight face that they honestly think Powell would have endorsed Obama if he were white.

He knows waiting helps his cause as opposed to what Doprah did. That being said, it's not like Obama is some toothless crackhead. To be honest, the fact he's black (or half black) has never even crossed my mind when it came to looking at the candidates for voting. Unfortunately, the fact he IS black is the only reason he could potentially lose this election. Not saying Powell is only supporting him because of it, but let's just say he agreed with 50% of Obama and 50% of McCain. Who do you think he'd endorse then? I almost feel like blacks in power should actually shut the hell up since even if they are 100% true in their beliefs, it just looks like a color play. They need to encourage more pure white leaders to step up and endorse Obama since that might actually convince those that are only slightly prejudiced (I know, how can you be slightly prejudiced? Well, you're not KKK and you're actually considering Obama, how's that?) to vote for Obama instead of pulling that curtain closed and wearing their sheet.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Another upstanding patriotic American and McCain/Palin rally attendee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvPJOQhXrak

Truly shocking! It's a good thing we have Democrats because you'll never find any haters on the left. Never mind the fact the KKK was composed primarly of Democrats though the early part of the 20th century but hey, we all know you lefties shed that coat a long long time ago. Lord knows (Oops, did I say that?)

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I have to pause for a moment and apologize to all the non-believers for the potentially offensive remark of mentioning the name of he who shall not be named. Even though I am not a believer myself, I simply uttered the phrase without thinking (Hey, at least I'm learning something from the left!)

Resuming..
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Democrats *LOVE* { BIG SMILE, BIG BIG SMILE! } everybody equally regardless of race, color or religion.

Hell, that's why so many Liberals are voting for Obama, just because he's black!

Nope, no racism there brother. It's all about love!

If you can point me to the Democrats hanging effigies of McCain in their front yard with star of davids drawn on its head, I'd love to see it.
Sounds to me like your choking on the noxious stink of your own party.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I do think he deserves some credit for the fact that we haven't been attacked on our soil again but, other than that,....

When you've throw away the Constitution, the task suddenly becomes a whole lot easier.

[Uno_up]

some reading for your undecided friends:
Barack Obama's Review of Ayers Book
He doesn't know who this guy is, never did, never worked with him or near him on anything, was eight when this POS was bombing the Pentagon and planning to kill soldiers, but somehow, Barry got around to reviewing his book (a glowing review, obviously. Searing.).

See this mystery guy "Bill Ayers" and Obama's review of his book at zombie's place.

Once you've taken that in, watch this video and send it along to all of your "undecided" friends.


Here's the link to youtube -have a look:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH7kT4xw ... 194481.php



Here's the review the above mentions:

Barack Obama’s review of William Ayers' book
Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:26 pm
On December 21, 1997, Barack Obama wrote a short review of William Ayers’ book A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court, which had recently been published by Beacon Press. Here’s a photo of how the review appeared in the Chicago Tribune:


Obama’s review of Ayers’ book says, “A searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.”

I had seen mentions of the existence of this review in a very few media outlets, including CNN, National Review, American Spectator, and a handful of others. But because the review was published before the Chicago Tribune began digitizing and archiving its articles online, there was no direct Web link to the review itself — only citations of it. So, out of curiosity, I took it upon myself to visit a library in San Francisco, and using the library’s Lexis-Nexis access and its archive of microfilm versions of major newspapers, including the Chicago Tribune, I finally tracked down a copy of the actual review itself.

Turns out the review was very short — what I had thought (from reading the citations in the online articles) were just short quotes from it was in fact the entirety of the review. But it was accompanied by a photo of Obama, standing by his statement. The review was part of a column called “Mark My Word,” in which Chicago notables praise their favorite current books.

Just a few weeks before this review was published in the Chicago Tribune, Obama and Ayers appeared together on a panel about juvenile justice organized by Michelle Obama on November 20, 1997:

Children who kill are called “super predators,” “people with no conscience,” “feral pre-social beings” — and “adults.”

William Ayers, author of A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court (Beacon Press, 1997), says “We should call a child a child. A 13-year-old who picks up a gun isn’t suddenly an adult. We have to ask other questions: How did he get the gun? Where did it come from?”

Ayers, who spent a year observing the Cook County Temporary Juvenile Detention Center in Chicago, is one of four panelists who will speak on juvenile justice at 6 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 20, in the C-Shop. The panel, which marks the 100th anniversary of the juvenile justice system in the United States, is part of the Community Service Center’s monthly discussion series on issues affecting the city of Chicago. The event is free and open to the public.

Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system; Randolph Stone, Director of the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic; Alex Correa, a reformed juvenile offender who spent seven years in Cook County Temporary Detention Center; Frank Tobin, a former priest and teacher at the Detention Center who helped Correa; and Willy Baldwin, who grew up in public housing and is currently a teacher at the Detention Center.

I find it very hard — no, make that impossible — to believe that Barack Obama had “no idea” who William Ayers really was, or that he had a past as a notorious domestic terrorist (as Obama’s campaign has claimed) while serving on panels with Ayers and simultaneously praising Ayers’ book in a major newspaper.

This story is likely to continue growing, and I thought that the image above would provide a good “visual” for the Obama-Ayers connection.

[UPDATE: On page 82 of the book itself, Ayers mentions Obama. So there’s no question they knew each other.]

[The_Noble_Cause]

Although he hasn't said so. I think McCain's promise was directed towards Obama's "publicly funded" campaign, before HE RENEGED on that promise.

Too bad McCain formerly made clean campaigning one of his pet projects.
It was never conditional before, why now?
McCain claims he went negative because Obama refused to show up at his town hall events - but, as with so much of his campaign, A does not logically follow B.

That doesn't count though right?

Obama agreed to talk with McCain and aggressively pursue public financing and nothing more.
All bets were rightfully off when McCain broke campaign law to obain a loan to keep his struggling campaign afloat.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/02/2 ... lenews_wsj

[RossValoryRocks]

RVR, I'm cynical too. There's always a lot of promises from both sides. But this election is very important in the fact that the Bush presidency has done more damage than I believed possible. So the next choice is critical. Even then, it will take years to dig us out of the hole we're in. In my opinion, either one I could have lived with, as either one would be better than Bush -- until McCain picked Sarah Palin. That changed everything for me. I know, you think I'm dramatic. But the thought of her as President, if McCain dies, terrifies me. And, apparently, quite a few people on here agree with me.

I am beyond cynical. I am digusted! It makes me ill to think of the kinds of people we have running this country. We have Demopublicans, and Republicrats. There are only miniscule differences between them anymore.

It's like that Movie, Moon Over Parador where the people can vote for the Blue or the Red despot (played by Richard Dreyfuss). Sure it LOOKS like our votes count. But what it really means is that one side gets richer the next 1 or 2 election cycles.

I am probably a bit older than you, so you eventually will get to disgusted too.

Enjoy cynical while it lasts!

RVR,
I'm not being snide in this question but have you ever though of running for some type of office. You're obviously passionate about your beliefs, you seem to be financially competent, has it ever crossed your mind as a serious thought?

Funny you should ask...I am forming an exploratory group for congress in 2010 here in PA. Oh and I pee standing up...otherwise I hang down into the water...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Romney doesn't shore up the base. In fact, he does very little to spread McCain's reach, as the two are similar enough to confuse some people.

That was true at first, but by the end of the primaries it seemed he became the choice of the base.
Beck and Savage still pine for him to return and singlehandedly save the election.
For further proof, check out his wildly enthusiastic reception at the CPAC convention.

[strangegrey]

Funny you should ask...I am forming an exploratory group for congress in 2010 here in PA. Oh and I pee standing up...otherwise I hang down into the water...

Stu, you live in PA?
I thought you lived in SoCal....

[RedWingFan]

Although he hasn't said so. I think McCain's promise was directed towards Obama's "publicly funded" campaign, before HE RENEGED on that promise.

Too bad McCain formerly made clean campaigning one of his pet projects.
It was never conditional before, why now?
McCain claims he went negative because Obama refused to show up at his town hall events - but, as with so much of his campaign, A does not logically follow B.

That doesn't count though right?

Obama agreed to talk with McCain and aggressively pursue public financing and nothing more.
All bets were rightfully off when McCain broke campaign law to obain a loan to keep his struggling campaign afloat.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/02/2 ... lenews_wsj

February 24, 2008, 3:36 pm
DNC to File FEC Complaint Against McCain

This is 8 months old and you couldn't find documentation that the DNC DID file a complaint? Might as well pull up an 18 month old Neal Schon quote about how he's looking forward to recording new Journey material with Soto and call it news.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sarah Palin has an 86% approval rating amoung her 700,000 constituents. I'll put those fucking numbers up against anyone else's.

You do that.
Her actual approval rating, by the way, is 68% and has been steadily dropping since she became under investigation for abuse of power.

[RossValoryRocks]

Funny you should ask...I am forming an exploratory group for congress in 2010 here in PA. Oh and I pee standing up...otherwise I hang down into the water...

Stu, you live in PA?
I thought you lived in SoCal....

Nope...near Pittsburgh actually...

GO STEELERS!

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is 8 months old and you couldn't find documentation that the DNC DID file a complaint? Might as well pull up an 18 month old Neal Schon quote about how he's looking forward to recording new Journey material with Soto and call it news.

I fail to see how that's important.
McCain broke campaign law and then, when the opportunity presented itself, attacked Obama for doing the same thing.
It's been the m.o. of his entire campaign.
The truth is Obama never promised anything.

[RedWingFan]

Sarah Palin has an 86% approval rating amoung her 700,000 constituents. I'll put those fucking numbers up against anyone else's.

You do that.
Her actual approval rating, by the way, is 68% and has been steadily dropping since she became under investigation for abuse of power.

The key word here. Gotta love the power of the libs and their willing accomplices in the media. Hey TNC you have any theories on the lack of wall-to-wall Tim Mahoney sex scandal news by the "conservative" media, (ABC, NBC, and CBS (which edited the McCain interview) like we had during the Mark Foley e-mail thing????

[RedWingFan]

This is 8 months old and you couldn't find documentation that the DNC DID file a complaint? Might as well pull up an 18 month old Neal Schon quote about how he's looking forward to recording new Journey material with Soto and call it news.

I fail to see how that's important.

It's important because the DNC SAID McCain broke campaign finance law. This doesn't say they actually filed squat. Why not? Empty words intended to cause McCain harm maybe?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Anyone have any idea why the "conservative" mainstream media (ie:ABC, NBC, and CBS who edit interviews to portray McCain in a positive light)

That was only CBS.
Tho Brokaw has been shilling for the McCain administration recently.

...haven't been giving us wall-to-wall coverage of Dem. Tim Mahoney's sex scandal, like they did with Rep. Mark Foley's e-mail scandal?????

Foley's scandal didn't occur at the height of a presidential election.

[RedWingFan]

Anyone have any idea why the "conservative" mainstream media (ie:ABC, NBC, and CBS who edit interviews to portray McCain in a positive light)

That was only CBS.
Tho Brokaw has been shilling for the McCain administration recently.

Funny, but I'll ask anyway. How so????

...haven't been giving us wall-to-wall coverage of Dem. Tim Mahoney's sex scandal, like they did with Rep. Mark Foley's e-mail scandal?????

Foley's scandal didn't occur at the height of a presidential election.

No, just the height of an important national mid-term election. Weak. If the "conservative" media were really that. Don't you think they'd take the time to plaster it EVERYWHERE???
They don't because the media has a left leaning agenda. That's why Mark Foley was everywhere. Your inability to admit this say's alot.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The key word here. Gotta love the power of the libs and their willing accomplices in the media.

Uhh, Palin was already under investigation prior to getting the veep nod, and the panel that investigated her was bi-partisan, with 8 repubs to 4 dems.
Like all of life's woes however, feel free to continue pinning it on the liberal media.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Funny, but I'll ask anyway. How so????

Citing outdated poll numbers on 'Meet the Press" giving McCain an edge.
Reports of him taking it upon himself to act like an intermediary between the McCain administration and GE, because the former is angry over Olbermann etc.

No, just the height of an important national mid-term election. Weak. If the "conservative" media were really that. Don't you think they'd take the time to plaster it EVERYWHERE???
They don't because the media has a left leaning agenda. That's why Mark Foley was everywhere. Your inability to admit this say's alot.

I don't know anyone who thinks its a Conservative media.
Most news media is preoccupied with local crimes and fostering consumerism.
It's corporate with a sensationalism bias.

[RedWingFan]

The key word here. Gotta love the power of the libs and their willing accomplices in the media.

Uhh, Palin was already under investigation prior to getting the veep nod, and the panel that investigated her was bi-partisan, with 8 repubs to 4 dems.
Like all of life's woes however, feel free to continue pinning it on the liberal media.

Regardless. The keyword is still investigation.

"Walt Monegan was, to the best of my knowledge, not terminated," Todd Palin said. "He was offered a reassignment [to the post of executive director of the Alcohol Beverage and Control Board], and he resigned rather than accept the reassignment."

[RedWingFan]

I don't know anyone who thinks its a Conservative media.
Most news media is preoccupied with local crimes and fostering consumerism.
It's corporate with a sensationalism bias.

How is the below innuendo "corporate with a sensationalism bias"? They just shooting for free publicity on Limbaugh's show?

Whatever.

But no comments whatsoever in seven days now on the irrefutable proof that Couric edited tapes to make McCain look good. I didn't think so. HYPOCRITES.

You must be the only person in the world that actually thinks that interview was edited with that intent. You're going to fight an uphill battle on that one, 4 wishes.

It was two interviews.
Both gaffes involved foreign policy - McCain's supposed strong suit.
Considering Couric kicked off her news program with Rush Limbaugh as a guest commentator, I don't think it is that big of a stretch at all.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't know anyone who thinks its a Conservative media.
Most news media is preoccupied with local crimes and fostering consumerism.
It's corporate with a sensationalism bias.

How is the below innuendo "corporate with a sensationalism bias"? They just shooting for free publicity on Limbaugh's show?

Whatever.

But no comments whatsoever in seven days now on the irrefutable proof that Couric edited tapes to make McCain look good. I didn't think so. HYPOCRITES.

You must be the only person in the world that actually thinks that interview was edited with that intent. You're going to fight an uphill battle on that one, 4 wishes.

It was two interviews.
Both gaffes involved foreign policy - McCain's supposed strong suit.
Considering Couric kicked off her news program with Rush Limbaugh as a guest commentator, I don't think it is that big of a stretch at all.

As I already addressed some 2 or 3 posts up, that was CBS.
ONE news program is not the media at large.
Also, my comment about "local crimes and fostering consumerism" is aimed at local newtwork newscasts - Couric's show is national.

The constant "playing the refs" by the right has led to certain instances such as the Couric one above, and much more frequently, cases where reporters live in fear of actually calling a lie a lie.
Instead they just invite a lib and conserv to come on and fight it out.
The right wing has effectively paralyzed what good journalism even means.

[RedWingFan]

As I already addressed some 2 or 3 posts up, that was CBS.
ONE news program is not the media at large.

C'mon they all get their marching orders from the same place with the same agenda.

The constant "playing the refs" by the right has led to certain instances such as the Couric one above, and much more frequently, cases where reporters live in fear of actually calling a lie a lie.

Yeah, back in the good ole days Dan Rather would have sunk President Bush with his fake documents and lies. Damn those "refs" huh? Oooh wait, Dan Rather was with that conservative CBS network too wasn't he?

Instead they just invite a lib and conserv to come on and fight it out.

Sounds more like a description of Fox News than network news.

The right wing has effectively paralyzed what good journalism even means.

"good journalism" mentioned above currently has a news show on HDNET. I have HDNET and I don't watch it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

C'mon they all get their marching orders from the same place with the same agenda.

Yeh, the AP and Reuters.
Go work in a newsroom for a day and get back to me.
The simple truth is, the bottom-line driven nature of TV news is antithetical to many of the ideas liberalism promotes.

[strangegrey]

Romney doesn't shore up the base. In fact, he does very little to spread McCain's reach, as the two are similar enough to confuse some people.

That was true at first, but by the end of the primaries it seemed he became the choice of the base.
Beck and Savage still pine for him to return and singlehandedly save the election.
For further proof, check out his wildly enthusiastic reception at the CPAC convention.

I agree that Romney was the most logical choice, given the pundits opinions. But I still think he does very little to spread McCain's reach. The VP choice needs to serve some purpose beyond being the 'pitbull.' To that end, I actually understand why Obama picks Biden, because he may very well deliver PA to Obama...as a result.

Romney, policy-wise, didn't really do that for McCain. So while I agree people felt that was the logical choice, if we were dealing with Romney as a VP candidate, I dont know how much difference it would have made.

This, of course is hindsight.

If Romney delivered the sad-excuse for an embarassing speech at the RNC convention....as the party's VP candidate.....I think McCain would've experienced a 20 point drop the next morning.

[whirlwind]

"He preached a 'social gospel' of human freedom, equality, and love, which required helping the least and the lowliest of society's members. Later on, however, this gospel became explicitly socialistic, or communistic in Jones' own view, and the hypocrisy of white Christianity was ridiculed while 'apostolic socialism' was preached."

I bet the Koolaid stock will go up if Obama, the Jim Jones wannabe, is elected.

[Skylorde]

If you can point me to the Democrats hanging effigies of McCain in their front yard with star of davids drawn on its head, I'd love to see it.

Of course not. Democrats have moved on from hating minorities (obviously that became socially unpopular) to building a chunk of their base with more socially popular trends like affirmitive action, preying on white guilt, etc.

I'm absolutely certain the effigie of Obama was hung by a McCain supporter. We all know a Democrat would never, ever plan something like that knowing the drive by media would be all over the story and the brain dead left would assume a McCain supporter must have done it.

Sounds to me like your choking on the noxious stink of your own party.

Ahh, I think you know better than that.

[whirlwind]

Obama's wife is going to fill in for him for a few days. I hope she rips a good one as only she can do.