The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Don]

This is what happens when you let the U.N. run the show.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As Devil's advocate...You're right, conservatives don't put any stock in the U.N. However, as much as some of you liberals trumpet that inept organization, you'd think going to war with Iraq would be acceptable since they violated so many resolutions which gave us the express right to go back to war with them. Don't libs put stock in the U.N. or is that irrelevant now?

Most Americans don't believe in elective wars of choice. Period.

[conversationpc]

As Devil's advocate...You're right, conservatives don't put any stock in the U.N. However, as much as some of you liberals trumpet that inept organization, you'd think going to war with Iraq would be acceptable since they violated so many resolutions which gave us the express right to go back to war with them. Don't libs put stock in the U.N. or is that irrelevant now?

Most Americans don't believe in elective wars of choice. Period.

Neither do I...Just seeing if you would parrot the typical liberal talking point.

[RedWingFan]

you'd think going to war with Iraq would be acceptable since they violated so many resolutions which gave us the express right to go back to war with them. Don't libs put stock in the U.N. or is that irrelevant now?

Exactly my point. If the U.N. isn't the "global test", then what is?

[treetopovskaya]

well... everyone must grow up sometime. }:C))

Wow, Tree. That you have the temerity to call yourself a "former Democrat" is astounding.

[conversationpc]

well... everyone must grow up sometime. }:C))

Wow, Tree. That you have the temerity to call yourself a "former Democrat" is astounding.

[treetopovskaya]

Speaking in Seattle on Sunday, Biden said he could guarantee that the world will want to find out if Obama is up to the job, which he assured voters he is.

"Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking," Biden said.

"Remember I said it standing here. if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some really tough -- I don't know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's gonna happen," Biden continued.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20 ... istration/

the failure of the journalists to practice good journalism is what caused them to be transparent. when they stopped asking hard questions to the democrats and never questioned outrageous statements. where is the questioning about the biden statement on sunday? all i hear is a recap of what biden said, not an analysis or a questioning about what it means to the american people. instead we get an analysis of what palin's appearance on SNL means.... ridiculous.

Which statement?
The one made at the fundraiser about Obama having "spine in his steel"?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Speaking in Seattle on Sunday, Biden said he could guarantee that the world will want to find out if Obama is up to the job, which he assured voters he is.

"Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking," Biden said.

"Remember I said it standing here. if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some really tough -- I don't know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's gonna happen," Biden continued.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20 ... istration/

the failure of the journalists to practice good journalism is what caused them to be transparent. when they stopped asking hard questions to the democrats and never questioned outrageous statements. where is the questioning about the biden statement on sunday? all i hear is a recap of what biden said, not an analysis or a questioning about what it means to the american people. instead we get an analysis of what palin's appearance on SNL means.... ridiculous.

Which statement?
The one made at the fundraiser about Obama having "spine in his steel"?

Yeh, and then Biden went on to talk about how Obama was equipped with "steel in his spine."
Whats newsorthy about Joe Biden bloviating out on the hustings?
Even Pat Buchanan was nonplussed about it.

[treetopovskaya]

it is appearing that it really should... scare you & others "shitless".

you know why people outside the us want obama to win? cuz they know he doesn't have the "steel in his spine".

if what biden says indeed does happen... with obama in office... we are S-C-R-E-W-E-D!!

nice av btw! };C))

Obama's the least qualified of the four major candidates for office...

....and he scares me shitless....

[treetopovskaya]

where is the evidence that he is ready to face an "international crisis"?

people outside the us know he is unqualified. hell... 2 months ago biden himself was saying obama isn't ready to be prez.

obama wants to sit & talk... good luck with that. }:C)

Speaking in Seattle on Sunday, Biden said he could guarantee that the world will want to find out if Obama is up to the job, which he assured voters he is.

"Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking," Biden said.

"Remember I said it standing here. if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some really tough -- I don't know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's gonna happen," Biden continued.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20 ... istration/

the failure of the journalists to practice good journalism is what caused them to be transparent. when they stopped asking hard questions to the democrats and never questioned outrageous statements. where is the questioning about the biden statement on sunday? all i hear is a recap of what biden said, not an analysis or a questioning about what it means to the american people. instead we get an analysis of what palin's appearance on SNL means.... ridiculous.

Which statement?
The one made at the fundraiser about Obama having "spine in his steel"?

Yeh, and then Biden went on to talk about how Obama was equipped with "steel in his spine."
Whats newsorthy about Joe Biden bloviating out on the hustings?
Even Pat Buchanan was nonplussed about it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

it is appearing that it really should... scare you & others "shitless".

you know why people outside the us want obama to win? cuz they know he doesn't have the "steel in his spine".

if what biden says indeed does happen... with obama in office... we are S-C-R-E-W-E-D!!

Riiiiight.
Whereas Jon McCain is such a dove he couldn't even wait for his campaign to end before saber ratling with Russia, and cracking wise about carpet-bombing Iran.

You're worried about what *may* happen under President Obama, while you're guy is out there actively cheerleading for a nuclear deathstorm.

[RedWingFan]

it is appearing that it really should... scare you & others "shitless".

you know why people outside the us want obama to win? cuz they know he doesn't have the "steel in his spine".

if what biden says indeed does happen... with obama in office... we are S-C-R-E-W-E-D!!

Right.
Whereas Jon McCain is such a dove he couldn't even wait for his campaign to end before saber ratling with Russia, and cracking wise about carpet-bombing Iran.
You're worried about what *may* happen under President Obama, while you're guy is out there actively cheerleading for a nuclear deathstorm.

The world knows Obama is an appeaser just like Carter. The Iranians were openly laughing at Carter and the US, saying Carter was, "running around like a headless chicken." It wasn't a coincidence the hostages were freed on Reagan's inauguration.

[The_Noble_Cause]

where is the evidence that he is ready to face an "international crisis"?

Where is McCain’s'?
Anybody who superstitiously relies on a lucky magic rabbit foot, a lucky feather, and certain combinations of coins, does not belong anywhere near the red button.

obama wants to sit & talk... good luck with that. }:C)

But don't forget, when Reagan and Nixon did it, it was bold Republican leadership!

[The_Noble_Cause]

The world knows Obama is an appeaser just like Carter. The Iranians were openly laughing at Carter and the US, saying Carter was, "running around like a headless chicken." It wasn't a coincidence the hostages were freed on Reagan's inauguration.

You're right, it wasn't a coincidence that Reagan traded arms for hostages.

[treetopovskaya]

so now mccain is the cause of iran gaining nuclear capabilities?

it is appearing that it really should... scare you & others "shitless".

you know why people outside the us want obama to win? cuz they know he doesn't have the "steel in his spine".

if what biden says indeed does happen... with obama in office... we are S-C-R-E-W-E-D!!

Riiiiight.
Whereas Jon McCain is such a dove he couldn't even wait for his campaign to end before saber ratling with Russia, and cracking wise about carpet-bombing Iran.

You're worried about what *may* happen under President Obama, while you're guy is out there actively cheerleading for a nuclear deathstorm.

[RedWingFan]

The world knows Obama is an appeaser just like Carter. The Iranians were openly laughing at Carter and the US, saying Carter was, "running around like a headless chicken." It wasn't a coincidence the hostages were freed on Reagan's inauguration.

You're right, it wasn't a coincidence that Reagan traded arms for hostages.

Wow. He had the ability to pull that off from the campaign trail???
Oh, wait Bush Sr. supposedly was sent over to make a deal. Riiight.

[treetopovskaya]

reagan didn't sit with terrorist nations without first going through a diplomatic process with concessions.

mccain said it right "obama wants to sit down with iran and talk... iran will say we hate you, and obama will say no you don't" that's productive.

where is the evidence that he is ready to face an "international crisis"?

Where is McCain’s'?
Anybody who superstitiously relies on a lucky magic rabbit foot, a lucky feather, and certain combinations of coins, does not belong anywhere near the red button.

obama wants to sit & talk... good luck with that. }:C)

But don't forget, when Reagan and Nixon did it, it was bold Republican leadership!

[treetopovskaya]

bloviating

i'm glad you're watching the o'reilly factor! }:C)

[RedWingFan]

Yeh, and then Biden went on to talk about how Obama was equipped with "steel in his spine."

Don't forget this quote when he goes on and describes Obama as the appeaser he is, that's only concerned about poll #'s. This description certainly isn't of someone with "steel in his spine."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate. And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

[The_Noble_Cause]

so now mccain is the cause of iran gaining nuclear capabilities?

So because a sovereign nation, which has never attacked anyone, chooses to pursue nuclear power (honestly or not), you think it’s ok for the President to crack jokes about bombing them into rack and ruin?
Last I checked, de-facto declarations of war were not the stuff of light dinner conversation.

[treetopovskaya]

your answer to obama's readiness for a crisis is to bring up superstitions of mccain???

way to skirt the issues.

mccain is ready...

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=213&sid=1242881

Where is McCain’s'?
Anybody who superstitiously relies on a lucky magic rabbit foot, a lucky feather, and certain combinations of coins, does not belong anywhere near the red button.

[treetopovskaya]

it was hardly a declaration of war, it was a *personal* joke... and mccain apologized for it.

iran has never attacked anyone? that's not a true statement, they attacked iraq. they have declared their intentions for the nuclear power to wipe out isreal, and their allies (including the us).

so now mccain is the cause of iran gaining nuclear capabilities?

So because a sovereign nation, which has never attacked anyone, chooses to pursue nuclear power (honestly or not), you think it’s ok for the President to crack jokes about bombing them into rack and ruin?
Last I checked, de-facto declarations of war were not the stuff of light dinner conversation.

[treetopovskaya]

and palin is the "moron"?

hehehee!

a friend said to me this weekend... "biden is like that drunk uncle you just want to lock in the closet"

HAHAHAA!!

}:C))

Yeh, and then Biden went on to talk about how Obama was equipped with "steel in his spine."

Don't forget this quote when he goes on and describes Obama as the appeaser he is, that's only concerned about poll #'s. This description certainly isn't of someone with "steel in his spine."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate. And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

I would love for a reporter to pin Joe down and ask, WTF were you talking about. We deserve to know, and the sooner the better.

It was also only sparsley reported that right after that remark, Biden, noticing press in the back of the room said, "I probably shouldn't have said that."

I'll find the exact quote. ABC had it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hezbullah ring a bell?

Is there no enemy, Foreign or Domestic that you won't stick up for?

Hezbollah gets money from more places than just Iran.
I'm not sticking up for anyone, I even indicated their pursuit of peaceful civilian nuclear power is probably a bluff.

[Saint John]

I even indicated their pursuit of peaceful civilian nuclear power is probably a bluff.

Can't get anything past you!!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

it was hardly a declaration of war, it was a *personal* joke... and mccain apologized for it.

There's NOTHING personal about talking in front of a crowd of people at a campaign event with cameras present.
Is there no pig swill from this campaign you won't blindly swallow?

EDIT - McCain's 'killing the Iranians with cigarettes' line was a personal joke, I'm not talking about that.

iran has never attacked anyone? that's not a true statement, they attacked iraq.

Yea, after Saddam attacked them first.
And what bearing does that have on a diplomat seeking the highest office making jokes about killing people?

they have declared their intentions for the nuclear power to wipe out isreal, and their allies (including the us).

Ahmadinejad is dumb, but he has never been so dumb to say he would wipe us out.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I even indicated their pursuit of peaceful civilian nuclear power is probably a bluff.

Can't get anything past you!!!

You know better than the IAEA, huh?

[RedWingFan]

I even indicated their pursuit of peaceful civilian nuclear power is probably a bluff.

Can't get anything past you!!!

LMAO

[Don]

IRAN,
Kill em all and let God sort them out? That won't work will it? Provoke them into attacking Israel and have Israel turn the middle east into a nice big shiny mirror? No more Jews, no more Ah-rabs, no access to fucking oil, that would make us go green wouldn't it?

[The_Noble_Cause]

your answer to obama's readiness for a crisis is to bring up superstitions of mccain???

way to skirt the issues.

Not at all.
Why do people carry things like a lucky rabbits foot or a lucky compass with them?
They defer to chance, luck, and emotion, and not reason.
In addition to his vault of magic trinkets, now might be a good time to bring up McCain's notorious gambling problem.