The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread
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by Angel » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:59 am
StocktontoMalone wrote:I just bet Andrew can't wait til this election is over....so this thread can go the way of the dodo...
STM, we all know this thread won't die after the election...it will be full of the losing party accusing the winning party of "cheating" and the winning party accusing the losing party of being sore losers.....it will never die!
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by S2M » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:05 am
Angel wrote:StocktontoMalone wrote:I just bet Andrew can't wait til this election is over....so this thread can go the way of the dodo...
STM, we all know this thread won't die after the election...it will be full of the losing party accusing the winning party of "cheating" and the winning party accusing the losing party of being sore losers.....it will never die!
In this election the only losers are the american people....
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by Angel » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:07 am
StocktontoMalone wrote:Angel wrote:StocktontoMalone wrote:I just bet Andrew can't wait til this election is over....so this thread can go the way of the dodo...
STM, we all know this thread won't die after the election...it will be full of the losing party accusing the winning party of "cheating" and the winning party accusing the losing party of being sore losers.....it will never die!
In this election the only losers are the american people....
While I tend to agree with you....I KNOW there will be people on here that do not, therefore, this thread will go on and on and on and on in circles like it has for the past few months.
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by Enigma869 » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:12 am
Angel wrote:STM, we all know this thread won't die after the election...it will be full of the losing party accusing the winning party of "cheating" and the winning party accusing the losing party of being sore losers
There is really no defending a sore loser, EVER. I didn't vote for W. in the last election, but didn't say a word about it, after the guy won. I still think he's a complete jackass and buffoon, but he's a complete jackass and buffoon, that the American people voted for! The truth of the matter is that McCain has already started the "sour grapes" campaign, about the money Obama has spent on this campaign. While I don't even disagree with McCain here, I think what he's doing is VERY counterproductive!
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by S2M » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:16 am
Enigma869 wrote:Angel wrote:STM, we all know this thread won't die after the election...it will be full of the losing party accusing the winning party of "cheating" and the winning party accusing the losing party of being sore losers
There is really no defending a sore loser, EVER. I didn't vote for W. in the last election, but didn't say a word about it, after the guy won. I still think he's a complete jackass and buffoon, but he's a complete jackass and buffoon, that the American people voted for! The truth of the matter is that McCain has already started the "sour grapes" campaign, about the money Obama has spent on this campaign. While I don't even disagree with McCain here, I think what he's doing is VERY counterproductive!
John from Boston
I'm not picking on YOU, John....but using your example for my example.
People use 'sour grapes' the wrong way 100% of the time. THIS is an example of sour grapes:
Wanting something real bad.....and then when you don't get it....saying that you didn't want it anyway. In the case of the actual fable where the name came from, the fox...in not being able to REACH the grapes that he wanted real bad....states that they are probably rotten anyway....
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by Barb » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:42 am
9 more days to go! Here's some Mark Steyn for the cons on the board to enjoy...
Point of No Return
Will we vote for the same soothing siren song as our enervated allies?
By Mark Steyn
Across the electric wires, the hum is ceaseless: Give it up, loser. Don’t go down with the ship when it’s swept away by the Obama tsunami. According to newspaper reports, polls show that most people believe newspaper reports claiming that most people believe polls showing that most people have read newspaper reports agreeing that polls show he’s going to win.
In the words of Publishers’ Clearing House, he may already have won! The battleground states have all turned blue, the reddest of red states are rapidly purpling. Don’t you know, little fool? You never can win. Use your mentality, wake up to reality. Why be the last right-wing pundit to sign up with Small-Government Conservatives For The Liberal Supermajority? We still need pages for the coronation, and there’s a pair of velvet knickerbockers with your name on it.
Yes, technically, this is still a two-party state, but one of the parties is like Elton John’s post-Oscar bash and the other is a church social in Wasilla. As David Sedaris put it in The New Yorker:
“I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. ‘Can I interest you in the chicken?’ she asks. ‘Or would you prefer the platter of s—t with bits of broken glass in it?’
“To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.”
Well, to be honest, I’ve never much cared for chicken.
McCain vs Obama is not the choice many of us would have liked in an ideal world. But then it’s not an “ideal world”, and the belief that it can be made so is one of the things that separates those who think Obama will “heal the planet” and those of us who support McCain faute de mieux. I agree with Thomas Sowell that an Obama-Pelosi supermajority will mark what he calls “a point of no return”. It would not be, as some naysayers scoff, “Jimmy Carter’s second term”, but something far more transformative. The new president would front the fourth great wave of liberal annexation — the first being FDR’s New Deal, the second LBJ’s Great Society, and the third the incremental but remorseless cultural advance when Reagan conservatives began winning victories at the ballot box and liberals turned their attention to the other levers of the society, from grade school up. The terrorist educator William Ayers, Obama’s patron in Chicago, is an exemplar of the last model: forty years ago, he was in favor of blowing up public buildings; then he figured out it was easier to get inside and undermine them from within.
All three liberal waves have transformed American expectations of the state. The spirit of the age is: Ask not what your country can do for you, demand it. Why can’t the government sort out my health care? Why can’t they pick up my mortgage?
In his first inaugural address, Calvin Coolidge said: “I favor the policy of economy, not because I wish to save money, but because I wish to save people.” That’s true in a more profound sense than he could have foreseen. In Europe, lavish social-democratic government has transformed citizens into eternal wards of the nanny state: the bureaucracy’s assumption of every adult responsibility has severed Continentals from the most basic survival impulse, to the point where unaffordable entitlements on shriveled birth rates have put a question mark over some of the oldest nation states on earth. A vote for an Obama-Pelosi-Barney Frank-ACORN supermajority is a vote for a Europeanized domestic policy that is, as the eco-types like to say, “unsustainable”.
More to the point, the only reason why Belgium has gotten away with being Belgium and Sweden Sweden and Germany Germany this long is because America’s America. The soft comfortable cocoon in which western Europe has dozed this last half-century is girded by cold hard American power. What happens when the last serious western nation votes for the same soothing beguiling siren song as its enervated allies?
“People of the world,” declared Senator Obama sonorously at his self-worship service in Germany, “look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one.”
No, sorry. History proved no such thing. In the Cold War, the world did not stand as one. One half of Europe was a prison, and in the other half far too many people — the Barack Obamas of the day — were happy to go along with that division in perpetuity. And the wall came down not because “the world stood as one” but because a few courageous people stood against the conventional wisdom of the day. Had Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan been like Helmut Schmidt and Francois Mitterand and Pierre Trudeau and Jimmy Carter, the Soviet empire (notwithstanding its own incompetence) would have survived and the wall would still be standing. Senator Obama’s feeble passivity will get you a big round of applause precisely because it’s the easy option: Do nothing but hold hands and sing the easy listening anthems of one-worldism, and the planet will heal.
To govern is to choose. And sometimes the choices are tough ones. When has Barack Obama chosen to take a stand? When he got along to get along with the Chicago machine? When he sat for 20 years in the pews of an ugly neo-segregationist race-baiting grievance-monger? When he voted to deny the surviving “fetuses” of botched abortions medical treatment? When in his short time in national politics he racked up the most liberal – ie, the most doctrinaire, the most orthodox, the most reflex — voting record in the Senate? Or when, on those many occasions the questions got complex and required a choice, he dodged it and voted merely “present”?
The world rarely stands as one. You can, as Reagan and Thatcher did, stand up. Or, like Obama voting “present”, you can stand down.
Nobody denies that, in promoting himself from “community organizer” to the world’s President-designate in nothing flat, he has shown an amazing and impressively ruthless single-mindedness. But the path of personal glory has been, in terms of policy and philosophy, the path of least resistance.
Peggy Noonan thinks a President Obama will be like the dog who chases the car and finally catches it: Now what? I think Obama will be content to be King Barack the Benign, Spreader of Wealth and Healer of Planets. His rise is, in many ways, testament to the persistence of the monarchical urge even in a two-century old republic. So the “Now what?” questions will be answered by others, beginning with the liberal supermajority in Congress. And as he has done all his life he will take the path of least resistance. An Obama Administration will pitch America toward EU domestic policy and UN foreign policy. Thomas Sowell is right: It would be a “point of no return”, the most explicit repudiation of the animating principles of America. For a vigilant republic of limited government and self-reliant citizens, it would be a Declaration of Dependence.
If a majority of Americans want that, we holdouts must respect their choice. But, if you don’t want it, vote accordingly.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Nz ... TA=&w=MA==
Point of No Return
Will we vote for the same soothing siren song as our enervated allies?
By Mark Steyn
Across the electric wires, the hum is ceaseless: Give it up, loser. Don’t go down with the ship when it’s swept away by the Obama tsunami. According to newspaper reports, polls show that most people believe newspaper reports claiming that most people believe polls showing that most people have read newspaper reports agreeing that polls show he’s going to win.
In the words of Publishers’ Clearing House, he may already have won! The battleground states have all turned blue, the reddest of red states are rapidly purpling. Don’t you know, little fool? You never can win. Use your mentality, wake up to reality. Why be the last right-wing pundit to sign up with Small-Government Conservatives For The Liberal Supermajority? We still need pages for the coronation, and there’s a pair of velvet knickerbockers with your name on it.
Yes, technically, this is still a two-party state, but one of the parties is like Elton John’s post-Oscar bash and the other is a church social in Wasilla. As David Sedaris put it in The New Yorker:
“I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. ‘Can I interest you in the chicken?’ she asks. ‘Or would you prefer the platter of s—t with bits of broken glass in it?’
“To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.”
Well, to be honest, I’ve never much cared for chicken.
McCain vs Obama is not the choice many of us would have liked in an ideal world. But then it’s not an “ideal world”, and the belief that it can be made so is one of the things that separates those who think Obama will “heal the planet” and those of us who support McCain faute de mieux. I agree with Thomas Sowell that an Obama-Pelosi supermajority will mark what he calls “a point of no return”. It would not be, as some naysayers scoff, “Jimmy Carter’s second term”, but something far more transformative. The new president would front the fourth great wave of liberal annexation — the first being FDR’s New Deal, the second LBJ’s Great Society, and the third the incremental but remorseless cultural advance when Reagan conservatives began winning victories at the ballot box and liberals turned their attention to the other levers of the society, from grade school up. The terrorist educator William Ayers, Obama’s patron in Chicago, is an exemplar of the last model: forty years ago, he was in favor of blowing up public buildings; then he figured out it was easier to get inside and undermine them from within.
All three liberal waves have transformed American expectations of the state. The spirit of the age is: Ask not what your country can do for you, demand it. Why can’t the government sort out my health care? Why can’t they pick up my mortgage?
In his first inaugural address, Calvin Coolidge said: “I favor the policy of economy, not because I wish to save money, but because I wish to save people.” That’s true in a more profound sense than he could have foreseen. In Europe, lavish social-democratic government has transformed citizens into eternal wards of the nanny state: the bureaucracy’s assumption of every adult responsibility has severed Continentals from the most basic survival impulse, to the point where unaffordable entitlements on shriveled birth rates have put a question mark over some of the oldest nation states on earth. A vote for an Obama-Pelosi-Barney Frank-ACORN supermajority is a vote for a Europeanized domestic policy that is, as the eco-types like to say, “unsustainable”.
More to the point, the only reason why Belgium has gotten away with being Belgium and Sweden Sweden and Germany Germany this long is because America’s America. The soft comfortable cocoon in which western Europe has dozed this last half-century is girded by cold hard American power. What happens when the last serious western nation votes for the same soothing beguiling siren song as its enervated allies?
“People of the world,” declared Senator Obama sonorously at his self-worship service in Germany, “look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one.”
No, sorry. History proved no such thing. In the Cold War, the world did not stand as one. One half of Europe was a prison, and in the other half far too many people — the Barack Obamas of the day — were happy to go along with that division in perpetuity. And the wall came down not because “the world stood as one” but because a few courageous people stood against the conventional wisdom of the day. Had Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan been like Helmut Schmidt and Francois Mitterand and Pierre Trudeau and Jimmy Carter, the Soviet empire (notwithstanding its own incompetence) would have survived and the wall would still be standing. Senator Obama’s feeble passivity will get you a big round of applause precisely because it’s the easy option: Do nothing but hold hands and sing the easy listening anthems of one-worldism, and the planet will heal.
To govern is to choose. And sometimes the choices are tough ones. When has Barack Obama chosen to take a stand? When he got along to get along with the Chicago machine? When he sat for 20 years in the pews of an ugly neo-segregationist race-baiting grievance-monger? When he voted to deny the surviving “fetuses” of botched abortions medical treatment? When in his short time in national politics he racked up the most liberal – ie, the most doctrinaire, the most orthodox, the most reflex — voting record in the Senate? Or when, on those many occasions the questions got complex and required a choice, he dodged it and voted merely “present”?
The world rarely stands as one. You can, as Reagan and Thatcher did, stand up. Or, like Obama voting “present”, you can stand down.
Nobody denies that, in promoting himself from “community organizer” to the world’s President-designate in nothing flat, he has shown an amazing and impressively ruthless single-mindedness. But the path of personal glory has been, in terms of policy and philosophy, the path of least resistance.
Peggy Noonan thinks a President Obama will be like the dog who chases the car and finally catches it: Now what? I think Obama will be content to be King Barack the Benign, Spreader of Wealth and Healer of Planets. His rise is, in many ways, testament to the persistence of the monarchical urge even in a two-century old republic. So the “Now what?” questions will be answered by others, beginning with the liberal supermajority in Congress. And as he has done all his life he will take the path of least resistance. An Obama Administration will pitch America toward EU domestic policy and UN foreign policy. Thomas Sowell is right: It would be a “point of no return”, the most explicit repudiation of the animating principles of America. For a vigilant republic of limited government and self-reliant citizens, it would be a Declaration of Dependence.
If a majority of Americans want that, we holdouts must respect their choice. But, if you don’t want it, vote accordingly.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Nz ... TA=&w=MA==
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by Barb » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:52 am
^^^^^^ That is exactly why I will never put up any political sign in my yard or sticker on my car (besides the fact that stickers are tacky) even for a candidate I was thoroughly behind. These scumbags think they can assault you and destroy your property because you "don't think right." Classless, bottom feeding pigs.
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by The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:53 am
Fact Finder wrote:http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/anti_mccain_vandals_strike_gainesville/23353/Anti-McCain vandals strike Gainesville
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Published: October 25, 2008
Vandals hit the Virginia Oaks neighborhood in Gainesville early Saturday, spray-painting anti-McCain profanity on at least 25 homes, the clubhouse and several big box stores in a nearby shopping center.
Police got the first call about 2:30 a.m., residents said. Many of the homes vandalized in the golf community at Lake Manassas had McCain-Palin signs in the front yard.
Most of the homes, garages and utility boxes were scrawled in red and black with “F--k McCain” but there were also several homes hit with “666” followed by “See What Happens.”
The culprits also struck at the nearby Virginia Gateway shopping center off U.S. 29, spray-painting outside Giant, Target and Best Buy with similar sentiments, residents said.
The vandalism comes a little more than a week before the Nov. 4 presidential election pitting Democrat Barack Obama against Republican John McCain. Traditionally Republican-leaning Virginia is considered a battleground state this political year. Last weekend, McCain rallied in Prince William County. On Monday, his vice presidential running mate Sarah Palin is set to speak in Fredericksburg.
Police are investigating. Stay with http://www.InsideNoVA.com and the News & Messenger for full coverage of this story.
Culprit is probably the same 6-foot-4 black man who carved that McCain volunteer's face like a jack o' lantern.
Busy guy.
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by 7 Wishes » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:54 am
I fail to see the point of either of your posts, Lie Finder and Barb...other than to re-affirm your fears and angst.
Too late. Your candidate is losing.
Obama has never been involved whatsoever in any legal problems...Palin has three separate ONGOING ETHICS INVESTIGATIONS!!!!
You're both hypocrites. Go cry in your beers, and let the rest of us help make this country a better place, and turn everything around after the worst Presidency in history (George W).
Too late. Your candidate is losing.
Obama has never been involved whatsoever in any legal problems...Palin has three separate ONGOING ETHICS INVESTIGATIONS!!!!
You're both hypocrites. Go cry in your beers, and let the rest of us help make this country a better place, and turn everything around after the worst Presidency in history (George W).
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
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by Barb » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:59 am
Right TNC... because the anarchist leftys only demonstrate peacefully. How about the guy who had a McCain sticker on his pickup truck and someone filled it with dog shit? These are all actually McCain supporters, aren't they? You couldn't be fair if you had a gun to your head.
I saw a family marching around a busy street corner yesterday holding yes on 8 signs. In CA a yes vote on 8 is a vote to amend CA's constitution to ban gay marriage. A proposition I couldn't care less about, quite frankly. However, I was beyond annoyed at these people because they had their young children carrying these signs. I think it is a despicable tactic when the left uses kids as props and am equally appalled (and embarrassed) when I see the right doing it. The mother asked me if I knew about prop 8 and how I would be voting. I told her she should be ashamed of herself for pimping out her kids this way and kept walking.
If your only measure of accountability for bad behavior is what their political belief system is and NOT what is truly right or wrong, then nothing you say really matters at all, IMO.
I saw a family marching around a busy street corner yesterday holding yes on 8 signs. In CA a yes vote on 8 is a vote to amend CA's constitution to ban gay marriage. A proposition I couldn't care less about, quite frankly. However, I was beyond annoyed at these people because they had their young children carrying these signs. I think it is a despicable tactic when the left uses kids as props and am equally appalled (and embarrassed) when I see the right doing it. The mother asked me if I knew about prop 8 and how I would be voting. I told her she should be ashamed of herself for pimping out her kids this way and kept walking.
If your only measure of accountability for bad behavior is what their political belief system is and NOT what is truly right or wrong, then nothing you say really matters at all, IMO.
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by Barb » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:03 am
7 Wishes wrote:I fail to see the point of either of your posts, Lie Finder and Barb...other than to re-affirm your fears and angst.
Too late. Your candidate is losing.
Obama has never been involved whatsoever in any legal problems...Palin has three separate ONGOING ETHICS INVESTIGATIONS!!!!
You're both hypocrites. Go cry in your beers, and let the rest of us help make this country a better place, and turn everything around after the worst Presidency in history (George W).
Mark Steyn is probably the best writer out there for conservatives. As I mentioned, I posted the column for them.
I don't care if Obama wins anymore. Life goes on. We just bought 2 new cars and a great car for my 17 year old daughter to drive. Life is good at the moment and we'll continue to live and enjoy it while it lasts. The good news is that when the Bush tax cuts are allowed to "expire" coupled with all the new taxes King Obama will impose on my family, I get to quit working because our tax burden will likely be more than my entire salary. This could actually work out very well for me.
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by nolippin » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:06 am
http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/ ... le-in.html
Rick Sanchez Calls Out Media That Fell For "Mutilation" Hoax
By Sam Stein / October 24, 2008
The big political story of the day revolves around what turned out to be a non-story. Several media outlets (the vast majority conservative) were left with egg on their faces after they trumpeted up the tale of a McCain volunteer who claimed to have been assaulted by a large black man because of a McCain bumper sticker on her car. On her face was carved a backwards 'B' (meant to represent Obama's name). The Drudge Report called it "mutilation."
It was a hoax. And now, some in the fourth estate are left to explain why they pushed this apparent political ploy. Those in the business who showed some prudence are calling out their competitors for taking the bait.
On CNN today, anchor Rick Sanchez did just that, naming the outlets that not only reported but actively pushed the story of Ashley Todd. In addition to explaining why his station didn't report the story, Sanchez dug the knife in a bit deeper when it came to Hugh Hewitt, the conservative radio talk show host who appeared on CNN Thursday and blamed "that side" (i.e. the Democrats) for engaging in "extraordinarily" disturbing acts.
"Part of the story is the fact that it was reported by the media," said Sanchez. "We would not be telling the story now had it not been carried by so many outlets. As I mentioned before, it was mentioned on, as a matter of fact I have a list and not to mention names, but the initials of the news organizations are Fox News, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and Newsday. And also radio talk show hosts went on their radio stations and talked ad infinitum about the story yesterday, one of them even seemingly being a braggadocio about it when he was on the air with our own Wolf Blitzer yesterday."
Separately, the College Republicans -- a group of which Todd is a member -- sought to distance themselves from the whole affair, telling the Huffington Post: "When Ms. Todd initially contacted us claiming to have been attacked, our first reaction was obviously to be concerned for her safety ... We are as upset as anyone to learn of her deceit. Ashley must take full responsibility for her actions."
Rick Sanchez Calls Out Media That Fell For "Mutilation" Hoax
By Sam Stein / October 24, 2008
The big political story of the day revolves around what turned out to be a non-story. Several media outlets (the vast majority conservative) were left with egg on their faces after they trumpeted up the tale of a McCain volunteer who claimed to have been assaulted by a large black man because of a McCain bumper sticker on her car. On her face was carved a backwards 'B' (meant to represent Obama's name). The Drudge Report called it "mutilation."
It was a hoax. And now, some in the fourth estate are left to explain why they pushed this apparent political ploy. Those in the business who showed some prudence are calling out their competitors for taking the bait.
On CNN today, anchor Rick Sanchez did just that, naming the outlets that not only reported but actively pushed the story of Ashley Todd. In addition to explaining why his station didn't report the story, Sanchez dug the knife in a bit deeper when it came to Hugh Hewitt, the conservative radio talk show host who appeared on CNN Thursday and blamed "that side" (i.e. the Democrats) for engaging in "extraordinarily" disturbing acts.
"Part of the story is the fact that it was reported by the media," said Sanchez. "We would not be telling the story now had it not been carried by so many outlets. As I mentioned before, it was mentioned on, as a matter of fact I have a list and not to mention names, but the initials of the news organizations are Fox News, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and Newsday. And also radio talk show hosts went on their radio stations and talked ad infinitum about the story yesterday, one of them even seemingly being a braggadocio about it when he was on the air with our own Wolf Blitzer yesterday."
Separately, the College Republicans -- a group of which Todd is a member -- sought to distance themselves from the whole affair, telling the Huffington Post: "When Ms. Todd initially contacted us claiming to have been attacked, our first reaction was obviously to be concerned for her safety ... We are as upset as anyone to learn of her deceit. Ashley must take full responsibility for her actions."
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by The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:17 am
Barb wrote:Right TNC... because the anarchist leftys only demonstrate peacefully. How about the guy who had a McCain sticker on his pickup truck and someone filled it with dog shit? These are all actually McCain supporters, aren't they? You couldn't be fair if you had a gun to your head.
Didn't say anything of the sort.
In light of recent events, I would hope people would approach all seemingly politically motivated crimes with a good measure of skepticism.
Barb wrote:However, I was beyond annoyed at these people because they had their young children carrying these signs. I think it is a despicable tactic when the left uses kids as props and am equally appalled (and embarrassed) when I see the right doing it.
Except when Palin trots a baby on a debate stage well past its bedtime, right?
Then it's ok.
With over a million in assets you'd think they could at least afford a babysitter.
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by S2M » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:20 am
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Barb wrote:Right TNC... because the anarchist leftys only demonstrate peacefully. How about the guy who had a McCain sticker on his pickup truck and someone filled it with dog shit? These are all actually McCain supporters, aren't they? You couldn't be fair if you had a gun to your head.
Didn't say anything of the sort.
In light of recent events, I would hope people would approach all seemingly politically motivated crimes with a good measure of skepticism.Barb wrote:However, I was beyond annoyed at these people because they had their young children carrying these signs. I think it is a despicable tactic when the left uses kids as props and am equally appalled (and embarrassed) when I see the right doing it.
Except when Palin trots a baby on a debate stage well past its bedtime, right?
Then it's ok.
With over a million in assets you'd think they could at least afford a babysitter.
Eh...what would you expect form a Lifehouse fan?
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by The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:20 am
Barb wrote:I don't care if Obama wins anymore. Life goes on. We just bought 2 new cars and a great car for my 17 year old daughter to drive. Life is good at the moment and we'll continue to live and enjoy it while it lasts.
You tell your daughter it was liberals who fought for auto safety standards as she buckled up for her first spin?
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by The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:21 am
Fact Finder wrote:I've failed to see A point in any if your posts other than hatred and hubris.
Not fair at all.
7 Wishes has gone out of his way to be respectful, even while he's being devoured alive.
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by Barb » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:23 am
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Barb wrote:I don't care if Obama wins anymore. Life goes on. We just bought 2 new cars and a great car for my 17 year old daughter to drive. Life is good at the moment and we'll continue to live and enjoy it while it lasts.
You tell your daughter it was liberals who fought for auto safety standards as she buckled up for her first spin?
Do you ever turn the political switch off?
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by Barb » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:26 am
StocktontoMalone wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:Barb wrote:Right TNC... because the anarchist leftys only demonstrate peacefully. How about the guy who had a McCain sticker on his pickup truck and someone filled it with dog shit? These are all actually McCain supporters, aren't they? You couldn't be fair if you had a gun to your head.
Didn't say anything of the sort.
In light of recent events, I would hope people would approach all seemingly politically motivated crimes with a good measure of skepticism.Barb wrote:However, I was beyond annoyed at these people because they had their young children carrying these signs. I think it is a despicable tactic when the left uses kids as props and am equally appalled (and embarrassed) when I see the right doing it.
Except when Palin trots a baby on a debate stage well past its bedtime, right?
Then it's ok.
With over a million in assets you'd think they could at least afford a babysitter.
Eh...what would you expect form a Lifehouse fan?
Hey! Jon Cain turned me on to Lifehouse 8 years ago. Nothing he's said or done since then has turned me on, though.
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by Skylorde » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:32 am
Alright I'm gonna wrap up a bunch of responses in one post 'cause its Sunday and the beach sounds much more appealing than debating politics on MR. Don't fret TNC, Voyager, peridactyl, there's still plenty of love left for ya later on
Man oh man where to start? We already have one of the highest (if not the highest) spending per student in the world yet we rank HORRIBLY in the quality of our education. What makes you think throwing more money at the problem will fix it? I'll tell you what the problem is and you aren't going to like it; Teachers Unions. For example, (I don't have the numbers handy) but I can recall that the administrative overhead for LA County alone is beyond staggering. The left has used vehicles like Teachers Unions to give themselves a nice upper middle class lifestyle. That has to stop. Dismantle the union, slice and dice these insanely overpaid administrators and give more money to the people who TRULY deserve it, teachers. Add in accountability and performance based pay and you'll create a system that will work for the greater good (for a change). It is unconscionable that a first year teacher making 40k has to spend hundreds of dollars out of his/her pocket for classroom supplies while the head honcho is making 300K per year and district administrators are pulling in 150-200K? Is it any wonder we can't get quality teachers? I have a theory about the left and teachers unions but I'll save that for the day the black unmarked helicopters come swooping in
If you are so confident "the savior" is going to right this ship, do you really have anything to worry about? What I want is Republicans to return to their Conservative roots.
Effictively yes. Please show me, historically, where socialism has EVER worked and been successful and I'll be more than happy to re-examine my positions. Would you like me to point out socialims historic failures? I'm pretty sure my list will be a lot longer than yours. Some, like Deano for example, are proponents of a hybrid Capitalist/Socialist system. This idea will ultimately impode as well, just at a slower pace. Once you cross the threshold of giving fish to the population rather than teaching them to fish, you entered the proverbial slipperly slope and there's no turning back. They will forever demand more than they contribute and when the number of participants (taking more from the system than what they contribute) eclipses those who take less and put in more, you've reached critical mass. Let's watch the sunset together shall we? Philosophically we'll probably never agree on this point.
Fair enough and perhaps I will. At this point, we Conservatives don't have much of a choice now do we?
We agree, the Bush years have been a train wreck. Nearly, if not on par with the Jimmy Carter years.
{sarcasm}Obama supporters exercising freedom of speech {/sarcasm}
OK folks you all have a good day, take deep breaths and try not to kill each other.
peridactyl wrote:We need to invest in our crumbling bridges and roads, take care of the elderly, help our kids get an education that makes them competitive in a global economy, and create a new industry in green technology.
Man oh man where to start? We already have one of the highest (if not the highest) spending per student in the world yet we rank HORRIBLY in the quality of our education. What makes you think throwing more money at the problem will fix it? I'll tell you what the problem is and you aren't going to like it; Teachers Unions. For example, (I don't have the numbers handy) but I can recall that the administrative overhead for LA County alone is beyond staggering. The left has used vehicles like Teachers Unions to give themselves a nice upper middle class lifestyle. That has to stop. Dismantle the union, slice and dice these insanely overpaid administrators and give more money to the people who TRULY deserve it, teachers. Add in accountability and performance based pay and you'll create a system that will work for the greater good (for a change). It is unconscionable that a first year teacher making 40k has to spend hundreds of dollars out of his/her pocket for classroom supplies while the head honcho is making 300K per year and district administrators are pulling in 150-200K? Is it any wonder we can't get quality teachers? I have a theory about the left and teachers unions but I'll save that for the day the black unmarked helicopters come swooping in
peridactyl wrote:Are you implying that you want Obama to win so that the ensuing "political trainwreck" works for Conservative to win the political war and regroup more united, divisive and self-righteous than ever?
If you are so confident "the savior" is going to right this ship, do you really have anything to worry about? What I want is Republicans to return to their Conservative roots.
peridactyl wrote:Truly pro-small government and each man for himself? Thanks but no thanks.
Effictively yes. Please show me, historically, where socialism has EVER worked and been successful and I'll be more than happy to re-examine my positions. Would you like me to point out socialims historic failures? I'm pretty sure my list will be a lot longer than yours. Some, like Deano for example, are proponents of a hybrid Capitalist/Socialist system. This idea will ultimately impode as well, just at a slower pace. Once you cross the threshold of giving fish to the population rather than teaching them to fish, you entered the proverbial slipperly slope and there's no turning back. They will forever demand more than they contribute and when the number of participants (taking more from the system than what they contribute) eclipses those who take less and put in more, you've reached critical mass. Let's watch the sunset together shall we? Philosophically we'll probably never agree on this point.
peridactyl wrote:OK. I will acknowledge a truce if you will. Maybe you'll be swayed by the Obama mystique that will rachet down the heated rhetoric when "the Democrats actually do the right thing and govern for the good of the country."
Fair enough and perhaps I will. At this point, we Conservatives don't have much of a choice now do we?
7 Wishes wrote:Sorry, sir, but that dubious honor has already been permanently and perpetually reserved for one George W. Bush. He is the worst democratically "elected" President in the history of Western Civilization, and has done NOTHING right
We agree, the Bush years have been a train wreck. Nearly, if not on par with the Jimmy Carter years.
Fact Finder wrote:http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/anti_mccain_vandals_strike_gainesville/23353/
{sarcasm}Obama supporters exercising freedom of speech {/sarcasm}
OK folks you all have a good day, take deep breaths and try not to kill each other.
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by Rick » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:32 am
Barb wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:Barb wrote:I don't care if Obama wins anymore. Life goes on. We just bought 2 new cars and a great car for my 17 year old daughter to drive. Life is good at the moment and we'll continue to live and enjoy it while it lasts.
You tell your daughter it was liberals who fought for auto safety standards as she buckled up for her first spin?
Do you ever turn the political switch off?
Scary isn't it? I have a 17 year old daughter also.
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by Barb » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:38 am
Rick wrote:Barb wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:Barb wrote:I don't care if Obama wins anymore. Life goes on. We just bought 2 new cars and a great car for my 17 year old daughter to drive. Life is good at the moment and we'll continue to live and enjoy it while it lasts.
You tell your daughter it was liberals who fought for auto safety standards as she buckled up for her first spin?
Do you ever turn the political switch off?
Scary isn't it? I have a 17 year old daughter also.
It's absolutely horrifying. She doesn't have her license yet -- we're aiming for mid December. In California, minors are required to spend 100 hours behind the wheel with parents and complete six hours of behind the wheel training from a licensed driving school before they can be issued a license. I'm going to be a nervous wreck the first time she leaves this house in that car by herself, but it's reassuring to know that she will be far more prepared than I was when I first started driving.
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by nolippin » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:43 am
Great. This can't be good.
Fact Finder wrote:REPORT: U.S. CHOPPERS STRIKE TARGETS IN SYRIA
DAMASCUS (Reuters) - Syria said on Sunday unidentified helicopters attacked a Syrian border point with Iraq, causing casualties.
The official Syrian news agency SANA did not identify the helicopters but said the attack took place in the Bou Kamal border area, in eastern Syria.
Residents said the attack targeted a house in the area in which a man and his four sons and two nearby workers were killed.
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Oct 26 02:20 PM US/Eastern
By ALBERT AJI
Associated Press Writer
DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) - Syria's state-run television and witnesses say U.S. military helicopters have attacked an area along the country's border with Iraq, causing casualties.
The report quoted unnamed Syrian officials and said the area is near the Syrian border town of Abu Kamal. It gave no other details on Sunday's attack.
Local residents told The Associated Press by telephone that two helicopters carrying U.S. soldiers raided the village of Hwijeh, 10 miles inside Syria's border, killing seven people and wounding five.
The U.S. military in Baghdad had no immediate comment.
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by nolippin » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:57 am
That didn't give us a right to invade Syria. Bin Laden is in Pakistan and we haven't bombed them...yet.
Fact Finder wrote:Great. This can't be good.
Of course it can. Apparently some bad guys took up residence in Syria, Syria wouldn't hand them over to us, so KABOOM go the bad guys.
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by The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:58 am
Fact Finder wrote:Of course it can. Apparently some bad guys took up residence in Syria, Syria wouldn't hand them over to us, so KABOOM go the bad guys.
Sounds alot like the foreign policy speech Obama gave concerning Pakistan, which, if I remember correctly, Conservatives like you excoriated him for.
Phony bastards.
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by nolippin » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:09 am
I admit that I'm no military expert, but when we bomb a country that is a declaration of war...correct? How can we just declare war on Syria or Pakistan without more authorization than claiming bad guys are in there? Doesn't there have to be some official declaration and/or vote as with Iraq?
Fact Finder wrote:nolippin wrote:That didn't give us a right to invade Syria. Bin Laden is in Pakistan and we haven't bombed them...yet.Fact Finder wrote:Great. This can't be good.
Of course it can. Apparently some bad guys took up residence in Syria, Syria wouldn't hand them over to us, so KABOOM go the bad guys.
We have been using Predator Drones in Paki for months and have targeted the tribal areas at least 15 times in the last 3 months with hellfire missles. You guys need to get with the program.
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by The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:18 am
nolippin wrote:I admit that I'm no military expert, but when we bomb a country that is a declaration of war...correct? How can we just declare war on Syria or Pakistan without more authorization than claiming bad guys are in there?
Musharraf approved the drone raids in Pakistan.
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by nolippin » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:22 am
Thanks.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:nolippin wrote:I admit that I'm no military expert, but when we bomb a country that is a declaration of war...correct? How can we just declare war on Syria or Pakistan without more authorization than claiming bad guys are in there?
Musharraf approved the drone raids in Pakistan.
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