It's gotta be killing "The Voice".

[kgdjpubs]

How many dates did he play in the FTLOSM tour before cancelling the rest of it? Does anyone know? It seemed like, if I remember correctly, he played a fair amount of dates and his voice sounded fine until the bronchitis or whatever he had.


Having said that, it's been twelve years. He's 60. A concert tour just is not going to happen. Album maybe.

http://www.journey-tribute.com/journey/ ... _past.html

Basically off and on from late October to mid March. Ironically enough, one of the best shows vocally that I've heard was one of the last 1995 shows. That being said, his voice was in really poor shape for Pittsburgh, which was near the start of the tour, and not far off from the widely circulated NYC show, where he sounded fine. Go figure...

[peridactyl]

It would be hell to be one of the greatest singers to ever have been heard and then not be able to live up to what you've done in the past.

I don't agree with this at all. Life is a journey of evolution, and while many people speculate that Perry must be some tortured soul who simply can't do it any longer (which may be true), it's also entirely possible that Perry is content with his life and the legacy he has left. Just like Larry Bird and Michael Jordan couldn't play forever, neither can all musicians. That doesn't take away from their vast body of work.

I'm not discounting the fact that Perry may well be a perfectionist (and most accept this as fact) who can't accept the fact that he can't sing like he used to. I'm simply presenting the other side of the equation that Perry may be happy with not singing any longer. I also don't think Journey's "success", as some people call it, bothers Perry one iota. The name Journey and Steve Perry will forever be intertwined. There aren't 27 people in the country who know who Journey is without Perry. The guys on the road as Journey today aren't making a living, without Perry. Those facts alone tell me that his legacy is firmly cemented, for all of time.

John from Boston

John, I hope you're right, and that he's content with everything. I just KNOW that it must be hell if he's not. I agree with all that you said. Just thinking about what it would be like to be SP if it's like I said. I hope, for him, that it's not.

I'd climb over a mountain of glass to hear him sing the phonebook at age 75 in the key of low C. Just hope he knows that millions of fans feel this way.

OH yeah. Well said!

[Saint John]

Just hope he knows that millions of fans feel this way.

That's absurd. I wouldn't even put that number in the tens of thousands.

[DrFU]

Just hope he knows that millions of fans feel this way.

That's absurd. I wouldn't even put that number in the tens of thousands.

But every one of us loons is worth 1,000 regular people.

[madsplash]

Just hope he knows that millions of fans feel this way.

That's absurd. I wouldn't even put that number in the tens of thousands.

It's a million if you count each fan twice to MAKE it a million.

[Enigma869]

That the point, if you don't follow them, why are you here. Why did you come here in the first place. That doesn't make any sense.

Listen sperm burper...Until Drew gives you control to run this place, don't worry about who is or who isn't a member here. I've been here a hell of a lot longer than you and unlike you haven't been thrown off the boards, jackass!


John from Boston

[Tito]

That the point, if you don't follow them, why are you here. Why did you come here in the first place. That doesn't make any sense.

Listen sperm burper...Until Drew gives you control to run this place, don't worry about who is or who isn't a member here. I've been here a hell of a lot longer than you and unlike you haven't been thrown off the boards, jackass!


John from Boston

You haven't been tossed because you haven't said anything (that was true but construed as a shot) towards the "chosen one."

Sperm burper? That's you fag lover.

[Babyblue]

Correct, he has not bad mouthed the band, and for that, I guess, he should be commended. That doesn't mean that his other actions are to be held up to the highest standard. He has brought as much of this on with his actions, as they have with their words. They are fucking grown men. They should start acting like it.

So by your definition, Perry isn't a "grown man" unless he wants to talk to a douche like Schon? Idiotic argument! Listen, sometimes in life, people don't like each other. Perry has made it fairly clear in interviews that he and Schon simply don't get along. I'm not sure why anyone thinks it's remotely important for any of these guys to be having an ongoing dialogue with Perry. Sure it's unfortunate for the fans that they couldn't put the music ahead of the petty shit, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. They don't like each other so it makes all the sense in the world that they stay away from each other.

Whether that moving on includes the level of success and acknowledgment that they previously enjoyed, doesn't mean that they have not gone on to other things without him. It can be left up to individual interpretation as to whether those things mean anything to anyone.

Only the people with Schon's balls in their mouth really believe Journey has "moved on". There are about 5 people on this board and 100% of the membership at Jackass Talk who would ever make such a ridiculous statement. If they're playing almost 100% Perry music, they haven't "moved on" from anything. The only thing they've "moved on" to is collecting a paycheck off of the voice who made them famous. I guarantee you if Journey were touring and singing all Augeri era hits with two tracks from "Revelation" thrown in, they wouldn't sell out a fucking Mobil gas station, because nobody would give a shit!


John from Boston

Thank You

[Babyblue]

Do you deny that Neal hasn't obeyed said gag order, whether he speaks the truth or not?

I've never heard Neal say anything derogatory about Perry. He said he doesn't want to work and he talks through lawyers. Seems pretty truthfull to me. I'm still waiting for those quotes.

SJ tell us something.Dose Sock boy pay you to trash Perry?Or do you do it just to be a jaskass. There are people that stiil love and miss him. By the way i bet Lora laughs her bum off when reading this crap.

[Tito]

Do you deny that Neal hasn't obeyed said gag order, whether he speaks the truth or not?

I've never heard Neal say anything derogatory about Perry. He said he doesn't want to work and he talks through lawyers. Seems pretty truthfull to me. I'm still waiting for those quotes.

SJ tell us something.Dose Sock boy pay you to trash Perry?Or do you do it just to be a jaskass. There are people that stiil love and miss him. By the way i bet Lora laughs her bum off when reading this crap.

I don't think she's laughing. I think when SJ comes in here firing, the scene at headquarters is more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uD5GDHK ... re=related

[Babyblue]

Do you deny that Neal hasn't obeyed said gag order, whether he speaks the truth or not?

I've never heard Neal say anything derogatory about Perry. He said he doesn't want to work and he talks through lawyers. Seems pretty truthfull to me. I'm still waiting for those quotes.

SJ tell us something.Dose Sock boy pay you to trash Perry?Or do you do it just to be a jaskass. There are people that stiil love and miss him. By the way i bet Lora laughs her bum off when reading this crap.

I don't think she's laughing. I think when SJ comes in here firing, the scene at headquarters is more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uD5GDHK ... re=related

Well i have to agree with you.He better get ready to run then.

[Lora]

By the way i bet Lora laughs her bum off when reading this crap.

Nah. I don't find it funny really, just kinda odd that people are so opinionated and assume so many things about someone they don't know. Such is the nature of message boards, I guess. SP doesn't sit around bemoaning his life, munching on sour grapes or plotting his next move against Journey.

[Arianddu]

By the way i bet Lora laughs her bum off when reading this crap.

Nah. I don't find it funny really, just kinda odd that people are so opinionated and assume so many things about someone they don't know. Such is the nature of message boards, I guess. SP doesn't sit around bemoaning his life, munching on sour grapes or plotting his next move against Journey.

Thank you for saying that, Lora. I've never understood why some people have this need to promote the idea that Steve Perry has some kind of grudge and long term plan to damage/destroy Journey!

I don't presume to know what really happened with these people in private, nor to know the motivations of any of them. All I know is, when speaking publically of his former band mates, Perry has always been polite and respectful, and has on occasion taken responsibility for his own part in past bullshit. I've speculated how it might feel to be in certain situations he's been in, and it's only increased my respect for his current behaviour.

Seems to me, everyone involved is just human, and humans are emotional creatures who fuck things up sometimes. Perry acknowledges it, keeps discrete about what is and was private, and is publically gracious and respectful. Who gives a damn what he really thinks? He's the only one who can know that anyway, and I choose to give him full respect for how he behaves now.


Doesn't stop me hoping I'll get the chance to hear him sing for real at least once in my life.


Oh yeah, and I've got to remedy something I posted earlier: I said "Neal Schon, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be able to say a single thing about Perry without taking some sort of pot shot at him" - that's not actually true, Schon has said a lot of nice things about Perry without any sting in the tail, and I shouldn't have said it. Guess I can get wound up and let fly with the dumb too.

[Babyblue]

By the way i bet Lora laughs her bum off when reading this crap.

Nah. I don't find it funny really, just kinda odd that people are so opinionated and assume so many things about someone they don't know. Such is the nature of message boards, I guess. SP doesn't sit around bemoaning his life, munching on sour grapes or plotting his next move against Journey.

Lora thanks, i am tired of what others want everyone to think about Steve.He is not a bad ass well i hope not.But hey we are all human here i hope anyway.You know it gets down to we all love the music.I think they were better with SP.JMO! And the other guys could be nice as well.So just stop all the Steve Perry bashing here.Some have met him that post here & there all lucky ducks in my book here. And i am thrilled for them.

[Enigma869]

Thank you for saying that, Lora. I've never understood why some people have this need to promote the idea that Steve Perry has some kind of grudge and long term plan to damage/destroy Journey!

It's really only SJ, Taco Boy and a few others that bang that drum that Perry tried to "destroy" Journey. It's a stupid fucking argument that's nothing more than whining. SJ and Taco boy are MAJOR Schon ass kissers and are just heartbroken that their poor wittle Neal couldn't tour for a few years until he found Augeri at The Gap. I'm sure Perry has far more interesting things to do than worry about that douche Schon!


John from Boston

[Marabelle]

Well I'm going to say that he's not a bad ass; we are all unique and we are all peculiar in our own way but that is our own cross to bear. If a person is subject to ridicule and distain then perhaps there is a reason for such thoughts; just as a person who is looked upon and held in highest esteem for the sound of his voice or the way that he wears his hair or his clothes then perhaps there are reasons to speak as well; but for a person to be regarded and mentioned with high praise and glory pours down upon his head and drenches his body with the riches of Gods then the person who needs to be viewed with the closest scrunity is the one who speaks of such affair of the heart.

[Babyblue]

Well I'm going to say that he's not a bad ass; we are all unique and we are all peculiar in our own way but that is our own cross to bear. If a person is subject to ridicule and distain then perhaps there is a reason for such thoughts; just as a person who is looked upon and held in highest esteem for the sound of his voice or the way that he wears his hair or his clothes then perhaps there are reasons to speak as well; but for a person to be regarded and mentioned with high praise and glory pours down upon his head and drenches his body with the riches of Gods then the person who needs to be viewed with the closest scrunity is the one who speaks of such affair of the heart.

[Saint John]

It's really only SJ, Taco Boy and a few others that bang that drum that Perry tried to "destroy" Journey.

You better throw Herbie Herbert in there as well. He's the first person that very candidly said that since Perry could no longer do it (for whatever reason) that he didn't want anyone else to continue either. I think anyone with a semi-active brain cell can see that Perry only came back to Journey because they were ready to hit the road with Chalfant and Rolie. He demanded Herbert be fired, recorded an album (which he was contractually obligated to do), and then left them high and dry.

SJ and Taco boy are MAJOR Schon ass kissers

I just recognize the fact that Neal Schon just wants to write, record and tour. I was as critical of him as anyone else around Tapegate. As the band's senior member and basic founder of the band I put the majority of blame on him with Augeri a very close second. Aside from that I don't know the man at all and don't care to know him as I'm quite sure he doesn't care to know me. And I'm ok with that. I met the man one time in 1998 and he was extremely nice to me and everyone else. Since 1998 I've declined a handful of offers to go backstage and meet him again as I see no real point to it. I met the only person I wanted to this past summer and that was Arnel, who was an extremely gracious man.

[madsplash]

I met the only person I wanted to this past summer and that was Arnel, who was an extremely gracious man.

Have you ever met Steve Perry? Cause it sure sounds like you've known him your whole life.

How about Herbie? Surely you know that pompous, jealous, bitter, windbag prick, don't ya?

Long live the King(SP).

There will be a few people on here that it will be so much fun to watch squirm and make excuses when the return happens.
It's gonna be hilarious and I'm glad I'll be around to see it.

[Saint John]

Have you ever met Steve Perry?

No. He's seen with fans about as often as bin laden is with Jews. Except of course the surprise meet and greet with predominantly middle-aged, desperate housewives who he knew would stroke his ego, fawn over him, cry and not dare ask even a semi-interesting question.

How about Herbie? Surely you know that pompous, jealous, bitter, windbag prick, don't ya?

Herbie's the straightest shooter out there and I'd bet that he's far more respected in music's upper circles than Steve Perry. Then again, Amy Whinehouse probably is too.

Long live the King(SP).

Steve Perry's 80's voice still remains unparalleled. I've never heard any singer in any genre that was the complete package like he was.

There will be a few people on here that it will be so much fun to watch squirm and make excuses when the return happens.

What return? Another wrist slitting album of septic trash a la Against The Wall and FTLOSM? I'm sure with Randy Jackson's help he could easily get the proper to exposure to have a platinum album, but that still wouldn't excuse him railroading the Chalfant/Rolie lineup that was willing to record and tour, firing Herbert or wasting Journey's time from 87-95 and then the post-TBF debacle when he fell down and went boom.

It's gonna be hilarious and I'm glad I'll be around to see it.

If he comes back I agree...watching him quit yet again will certainly be hilarious for me to see.

[Deb]

Have you ever met Steve Perry?

No. He's seen with fans about as often as bin laden is with Jews. Except of course the surprise meet and greet with predominantly middle-aged, desperate housewives who he knew would stroke his ego, fawn over him, cry and not dare ask even a semi-interesting question.

Screw you and the horse you rode in on, dude.

[Saint John]

Screw you and the horse you rode in on, dude.

I put the word "predominantly" in there just to exclude you, Deb. Even though I'm quite sure you were hyperventilating and experienced a rapid influx of moisture right around your equator.

[Deb]

Screw you and the horse you rode in on, dude.

I put the word "predominantly" in there just to exclude you, Deb. Even though I'm quite sure you were hyperventilating and experienced a rapid influx of moisture right around your equator.

You may be a little bit right on the hyperventilating but too shocked for the other.

[Don]

Does anyone remember when a gold album meant you were only one step up from sucking. I was looking at "When seconds count" by Survivor which didn't get higher then #49 on the charts but still sold over 500,000 copies. Now that I've made a completely irrelevant post, please continue on with the subject of the thread.

[Saint John]

Does anyone remember when a gold album meant you were only one step up from sucking. I was looking at "When seconds count" by Survivor which didn't get higher then #49 on the charts but still sold over 500,000 copies. Now that I've made a completely irrelevant post, please continue on with the subject of the thread.

Times have changed, but you're right. Gold used to be garbage.

[peridactyl]

By the way i bet Lora laughs her bum off when reading this crap.

Nah. I don't find it funny really, just kinda odd that people are so opinionated and assume so many things about someone they don't know. Such is the nature of message boards, I guess. SP doesn't sit around bemoaning his life, munching on sour grapes or plotting his next move against Journey.

Lora,

I'm glad to hear that Steve has emotionally moved on, which is not as true for a lot of his fans!!

What would account for so much emotion and energy being triggered by phenomena that occured 13+ years ago?

"Intermittent reinforcement" (which means that behavior that is reinforced periodically and unpredictably becomes more entrenched and difficult to extinguish than behavior that is reinforced all the time and then stops being reinforced.)

Steve has stimulated a lot of this fan obsession with his mysterious, vague and episodic comments about what happened in the past and his possible return to the musical world.

It's not at all odd that people fill in the information gaps with elaborations on what little has been made public; it's just an attempt to deal with unhealed wounds, imho.

[bluejeangirl76]

Steve has stimulated a lot of this fan obsession with his mysterious, vague and episodic comments about what happened in the past and his possible return to the musical world.

He has also stimulated a lot of this fan obsession with those damned ball squishing pants of his.
(anyone but me ever noticed that when the package-squeezers went away, the voice dropped? there's the secret... bring back those hideous 1980 pants and presto... platinum )

[Don]

Steve has stimulated a lot of this fan obsession with his mysterious, vague and episodic comments about what happened in the past and his possible return to the musical world.

He has also stimulated a lot of this fan obsession with those damned ball squishing pants of his.
(anyone but me ever noticed that when the package-squeezers went away, the voice dropped? there's the secret... bring back those hideous 1980 pants and presto... platinum )

Or just cut off his balls (unless you think he's going to need them in the future).

[Saint John]

Or just cut off his balls

He hasn't really had any for over 20 years.

[Rhiannon]

Or just cut off his balls

He hasn't really had any for over 20 years.

Sherrie got those in the settlement.