Journey Tour Partner In 2009

[stevew2]

Is the Asian tour 10 shows? Anybody know?

Speakim of Asian i like your new chick, nice way to start off the new year

That's a Filipina hottie there. Powered by rice alone, my friend.

Its all the same to me,i d only last a minute with her {if ya know what i mean}

[Arianddu]

Is the Asian tour 10 shows? Anybody know?

Speakim of Asian i like your new chick, nice way to start off the new year

That's a Filipina hottie there. Powered by rice alone, my friend.

Its all the same to me,i d only last a minute with her {if ya know what i mean}

Energy efficient

[SherriBerry]

i am for a tour like 2002 an evening with Journey..smaller places... intimate settings...
maybe a nice twist with Rolie as special guest...

That would rock, Rick. I'm sure we'd all want that, but I think it's doubtful. Would be cool to see Greg back in any capacity.

Since the Gregg Rolie Band is touring, couldn't they do a combined tour? With Gregg Rolie they would be
able to do an amazing job with some of Journey's earlier songs and I think his presence would bring back
Neal's game - more improvising and musicianship like the early years without the limitations of prerecorded stuff.
I would love to see them in a smaller venue and raw - simplify and go back to basics.
And I want to hear 'People and Places' too!

[Ehwmatt]

I wouldn't want to see Journey tour with any band that is better than they are.....Which pretty much leaves nobody to tour with.

Maybe that's why BA won't happen. They would show Journey up.

Not a chance in the world. And I like BA/have seen him live.

LOL. You have seen BA and you think Pineda is a better frontman? Okay bro. You're entitled to your own opinion no matter how wrong it is. If I were a Journey fan, this pairing would trouble me. Neal will be challenged big time with Keith Scott, and the songs in general will challenge Journey's. Just wait and watch. Don't say I didn't call this right here and right now.

And another thing, with BA, you will hear new stuff, old stuff and forgotten stuff, and with Journey, well, just copy and paste the last 8 years tours..they're all the same anyway.

Keith Scott can't touch Neal, sorry. The other stuff is all opinion so I can't argue with you except to say I think Journey has more "live favorites," though BA has his share too. As for the set lists... Journey's are certainly recycled. When I saw BA he did a pretty by-the-numbers set, altho he was opening. He does some pretty good, diverse sets on the two DVDs i have.

[strangegrey]

Keith Scott can't touch Neal, sorry.

Depends on what you're looking for. EVH, throughout the 80s, constantly gushed about how good Keith Scott was....and that what he plays with BA just scratches the surface of his ability. Neal's got his 'technical negatives' with respect to his playing...and frankly, if you place Scott next to Neal, those negatives get amplified, because Keith's strengths are just the very things Neal struggles with.

If you put Neal next to another technician like Reb Beach or Paul Gilbert, Neal's drawbacks aren't audible. But once you put him next to a guy with true, gut wrenching feel...Neal's slower melodic major runs start sounding cookie cutter.

[Eric]

I have to chime in here. After the year Journey has had there is no possible way that they can take a step back with BA. They either have to add a younger up and coming group to open or a similar act that still has relevance. B A is a horrible choice. That would be snooze fest. Arnel doesn't have to be worried about being showed up by anyone. He completely wins everybody over from the first song. He is a true superstar. I don't know if he has any writing skills but he will be held back by the constant repeat of the playlist. After all this rambling, My personal choice would be the Goo Goo Dolls. They was never really a headliner but still brings down the house. They have a worthy choice of songs and would also appeal to the same "Journey" crowd and more. To me that tour would be sweet.

Are you on Meth?

Dude, Journey will never not play it safe. That's just who they are. BA if he plays with them, which I say no he won't, will play his rockers, which are better than Journey's. Arnel, who is awesome, is NOT a superstar. You have got to be kidding me. He isn't close. Can he be? Sure. He has great chops and am even better attitude. But BA is so much more talented, seasoned and just better, that Journey might want to rethink this.

BTW, I have told Dan his sources are full of shit on this. BA won't do this. He only tours 1-12 days a month. He is a professional photogapher and a writer now, so he spaces out his workload.

Mind you T-Time, I am NOT a Journey hater. I love Arnel, despise Neal and Friga, but don't exist here to bash, but to tell it like it is. You put Journey up against a rocked out Adams, Journey gets eaten alive, period.

Why did BA close with 3 unknown ballads when he toured with Lippard a few years back? Very boring show....no energy.

[Eric]

The problem I have with the Filipinos is their lack of respect for the legacy. They only know Arnel and don't give three shits about the man Journey is famous for: Perry.

Thats true...but its exactly what Journey needed.

[G.I.Jim]

i am for a tour like 2002 an evening with Journey..smaller places... intimate settings...
maybe a nice twist with Rolie as special guest...

That would rock, Rick. I'm sure we'd all want that, but I think it's doubtful. Would be cool to see Greg back in any capacity.

Since the Gregg Rolie Band is touring, couldn't they do a combined tour? With Gregg Rolie they would be
able to do an amazing job with some of Journey's earlier songs and I think his presence would bring back
Neal's game - more improvising and musicianship like the early years without the limitations of prerecorded stuff.
I would love to see them in a smaller venue and raw - simplify and go back to basics.
And I want to hear 'People and Places' too!

I think it'd be cool as hell too, but there's no way in hell Cain (Friga...sorry SW2!) would allow that. It would take too much spotlight off of him. I do think it would be awesome though, and it'd give Arnel some much needed vocal rest!

[SF-Dano]

Some other considerations for openers might be:

Night Ranger
Tesla
Y&T

Would like to see Greg Rolie Band or Santana, but I don't think that would happen.

How about a co-headliner tour with Sammy Hagar and Co.

[sniper16]

first off i think ba would be a good choice for the states
he opened for rod stewart here last summer and actually rocked
journey dosent have to open for anyone at this point but still needs a co headline opener
the styx reo thing is worn out
someone mentioned night ranger great band but they wont comit to a full shed tour
tesla would be a great opener and would bring in a harder crowd
my choice would be triumph who are looking to tour next summer and would be a good chemesty curiosity to bring in the crowd
or a rotating co headline with boston maybe.
fans would love rolie but no intrest from casual fans.

[Don]

i am for a tour like 2002 an evening with Journey..smaller places... intimate settings...
maybe a nice twist with Rolie as special guest...

That would rock, Rick. I'm sure we'd all want that, but I think it's doubtful. Would be cool to see Greg back in any capacity.

Since the Gregg Rolie Band is touring, couldn't they do a combined tour? With Gregg Rolie they would be
able to do an amazing job with some of Journey's earlier songs and I think his presence would bring back
Neal's game - more improvising and musicianship like the early years without the limitations of prerecorded stuff.
I would love to see them in a smaller venue and raw - simplify and go back to basics.
And I want to hear 'People and Places' too!

I think it'd be cool as hell too, but there's no way in hell Cain (Friga...sorry SW2!) would allow that. It would take too much spotlight off of him. I do think it would be awesome though, and it'd give Arnel some much needed vocal rest!

It's a short tour this time around. I don't see why he can't do what he is supposed to do and sing and let everyone else do their job. His voice should be fine judging by the number of shows he has been singing on during his off time. Let's face it, Perry sang at least 4 years straight (79-82) without missing any time, and that was with a lot more high notes in the catalog from Infinity and Departure material. Arnel should be able to handle this easily now that he has been broken in and singing a pretty static setlist that is 80% post Captured material anyway.

[stevew2]

i am for a tour like 2002 an evening with Journey..smaller places... intimate settings...
maybe a nice twist with Rolie as special guest...

That would rock, Rick. I'm sure we'd all want that, but I think it's doubtful. Would be cool to see Greg back in any capacity.

Since the Gregg Rolie Band is touring, couldn't they do a combined tour? With Gregg Rolie they would be
able to do an amazing job with some of Journey's earlier songs and I think his presence would bring back
Neal's game - more improvising and musicianship like the early years without the limitations of prerecorded stuff.
I would love to see them in a smaller venue and raw - simplify and go back to basics.
And I want to hear 'People and Places' too!

I think it'd be cool as hell too, but there's no way in hell Cain (Friga...sorry SW2!) would allow that. It would take too much spotlight off of him. I do think it would be awesome though, and it'd give Arnel some much needed vocal rest!

Who in the fuck is cain??? Rolie would be wiping his ass with Leonards gay smock when it come to any organ parts{B3 you pervert}

[G.I.Jim]

i am for a tour like 2002 an evening with Journey..smaller places... intimate settings...
maybe a nice twist with Rolie as special guest...

That would rock, Rick. I'm sure we'd all want that, but I think it's doubtful. Would be cool to see Greg back in any capacity.

Since the Gregg Rolie Band is touring, couldn't they do a combined tour? With Gregg Rolie they would be
able to do an amazing job with some of Journey's earlier songs and I think his presence would bring back
Neal's game - more improvising and musicianship like the early years without the limitations of prerecorded stuff.
I would love to see them in a smaller venue and raw - simplify and go back to basics.
And I want to hear 'People and Places' too!

I think it'd be cool as hell too, but there's no way in hell Cain (Friga...sorry SW2!) would allow that. It would take too much spotlight off of him. I do think it would be awesome though, and it'd give Arnel some much needed vocal rest!

Who in the fuck is cain??? Rolie would be wiping his ass with Leonards gay smock when it come to any organ parts{B3 you pervert}

Journey's MVP since Escape.

[DracIsBack]

[quote="G.I.Jim]
I think it'd be cool as hell too, but there's no way in hell Cain (Friga...sorry SW2!) would allow that. It would take too much spotlight off of him. [/quote]

Know him personally, do you?

[stevew2]

[quote="G.I.Jim]
I think it'd be cool as hell too, but there's no way in hell Cain (Friga...sorry SW2!) would allow that. It would take too much spotlight off of him.

Know him personally, do you?[/quote]Everyone knows that corn holer. He problabally doesnt flush the shitter just so he can smell his own stench

[G.I.Jim]

[quote="G.I.Jim]
I think it'd be cool as hell too, but there's no way in hell Cain (Friga...sorry SW2!) would allow that. It would take too much spotlight off of him.

Know him personally, do you?[/quote]

Yeah...we hang out all the time and play golf!

How would you like it if your wife asked you if her ex-boyfriend (the one from high school that used to really beat that thing up!) could come to the house and eat dinner with you guys... maybe go catch a movie or two... The two of them could go on "long walks" together. Do you see where I'm going with this?

He has written or co-written pretty much every Journey song that's been a hit since he's been in the band, and the band definitely took a much more commercial approach after he joined. I doubt he (or anybody else for that matter) would be content to take a back-seat to the person they replaced in a band.

So to answer your question...no I don't know him, but he obviously has an ego and human nature says no...he probably wouldn't be happy with Gregg getting back with the band!

[Jana]

[quote="G.I.Jim]
I think it'd be cool as hell too, but there's no way in hell Cain (Friga...sorry SW2!) would allow that. It would take too much spotlight off of him.

Know him personally, do you?

Yeah...we hang out all the time and play golf!

How would you like it if your wife asked you if her ex-boyfriend (the one from high school that used to really beat that thing up!) could come to the house and eat dinner with you guys... maybe go catch a movie or two... The two of them could go on "long walks" together. Do you see where I'm going with this?

He has written or co-written pretty much every Journey song that's been a hit since he's been in the band, and the band definitely took a much more commercial approach after he joined. I doubt he (or anybody else for that matter) would be content to take a back-seat to the person they replaced in a band.

So to answer your question...no I don't know him, but he obviously has an ego and human nature says no...he probably wouldn't be happy with Gregg getting back with the band![/quote]

Jim, I thought maybe one day it would be possible b/c he and Chalfant were going to be with Journey right b/f Steve Perry decided to come back for TBF. So if Cain's ego accepted it, then, who knows, if it would draw a larger audience one tour, it would be fun. But, of course, maybe they needed him more with all the uncertainty back then and don't feel they do now or want to pay any more out. Of course, Rolie is doing his own thing anyway now with his band.

[G.I.Jim]

[quote="G.I.Jim]
I think it'd be cool as hell too, but there's no way in hell Cain (Friga...sorry SW2!) would allow that. It would take too much spotlight off of him.

Know him personally, do you?

Yeah...we hang out all the time and play golf!

How would you like it if your wife asked you if her ex-boyfriend (the one from high school that used to really beat that thing up!) could come to the house and eat dinner with you guys... maybe go catch a movie or two... The two of them could go on "long walks" together. Do you see where I'm going with this?

He has written or co-written pretty much every Journey song that's been a hit since he's been in the band, and the band definitely took a much more commercial approach after he joined. I doubt he (or anybody else for that matter) would be content to take a back-seat to the person they replaced in a band.

So to answer your question...no I don't know him, but he obviously has an ego and human nature says no...he probably wouldn't be happy with Gregg getting back with the band!

Jim, I thought maybe one day it would be possible b/c he and Chalfant were going to be with Journey right b/f Steve Perry decided to come back for TBF. So if Cain's ego accepted it, then, who knows, if it would draw a larger audience one tour, it would be fun. But, of course, maybe they needed him more with all the uncertainty back then and don't feel they do now or want to pay any more out. Of course, Rolie is doing his own thing anyway now with his band.[/quote]

I don't think anything was set in stone about Gregg returning (I could definitely be wrong on that), but at that time...Herbie was managing the band, and he's a huge fan of Gregg's. He was probably pushing for that, and I doubt that Cain would have had that much say-so back then.

Also, like you said...they weren't in the same position back then, that they're in now. I'm sure they were very leary about going out there on stage without Perry. They're used to it now, and I'm sure that Cain and Schon run the show now since Herbie's gone. That's my take on it anyway.

[PianoMan1986]

During the 80's they played 6 or 7 songs off the current album they were touring for. Why pay a hundred bucks to see what I saw 25 years ago when it was new? I hate TBF but if they would play 4 or 5 songs off of it, I might go just because it was fresh. This time though, with no Heart joining them, I think it will be different.They'll havethe filipinos there, but Idon't think people realise how important the Wilson sisters were to this last tour. If you have never seen them, by all means go, Arnel is fantastic live. If it the dirty dozen again though, I would think a lot of people will pass and wait for the new album.

Great points.

The Wilson sisters are fantastic.

The problem I have with the Filipinos is their lack of respect for the legacy. They only know Arnel and don't give three shits about the man Journey is famous for: Perry.

The real big plus Journey has going for them is they have such a vast history, and there are bunches who haven't seen them in eons...thy will always have folks show up...even if the show is stale as 4 week old piss....which it is.

Jon and Neal don't know ow to treat their fans and frankly don't give shit about them, because the keep coming to their shows.. They're like the Cubs fans. they support a losing team year after year. Why?

If Journey were smart, they would do free shows or 5 buck shows, as a way to say, "Thanks." But we all know that ain't happening.

True, Heart was a great fit and draw for the concert. A lot of people were excited they were touring with Journey down here. But my dream is they play People and Places and more ROR and some TBF, like One More. My hope is it's a two-hour show, and they have Deen sing several songs the whole concert tour; thus giving Arnel a rest. With a two-hour set, at least I can hear a few more songs other than Open Arms. Hey, a girl can dream. And if they don't play Turn Down The World Tonight off of Revelations, I will be pissed off. It's a great song and Arnel's voice and tone are great on it. I would like Like a Sunshower. But I know that will never happen.

It's only 30 shows so Arnel should be able to handle a two hour set. Bon Jovi just played 99 shows (all sold out by the way) and their singer survived without any help. Arnel has no problem doing all these little guest appearances on his downtime so no one should have to go to show and see Deen sing because the vocalist is tired. Perry did it for 8 years. Arnel only has to do it for probably three years at the most, he should be able to handle it.

Well, Jon's an awesome singer and I'm not putting him down by any means, but consider the fact of how long he's been doing this gig and how he had to come to terms with facing vocal limitations (dropping keys), while Journey is still playing their stuff in the original key (not to say that Bon Jovi has switched all of their catalog)

[Deb]

It's only 30 shows so Arnel should be able to handle a two hour set. Bon Jovi just played 99 shows (all sold out by the way) and their singer survived without any help. Arnel has no problem doing all these little guest appearances on his downtime so no one should have to go to show and see Deen sing because the vocalist is tired. Perry did it for 8 years. Arnel only has to do it for probably three years at the most, he should be able to handle it.

Well, Jon's an awesome singer and I'm not putting him down by any means, but consider the fact of how long he's been doing this gig and how he had to come to terms with facing vocal limitations (dropping keys), while Journey is still playing their stuff in the original key (not to say that Bon Jovi has switched all of their catalog)

True, they've dropped keys and he's not singing those "highs" like at the end of Runaway anymore, replaced with a guitar dual w/Richie. You can't really compare early Journey songs to anything from Bon Jovi.....I can't see anybody being able to carry off that early material in Perry's original key night after night (the man was a freak of nature ). Not sure how many singers Journey is going to have to go through before they realize that. Seriously, drop them down....does anybody really notice or care.....BJ is still putting on a great show.

And Gbot, JBJ did have help on their New Jersey tour. By the end of the tour he was getting daily steriod shots in his neck just to be able to get up there and sing every night. Jon (and his mom, dad and brothers talked about it on Behind The Music). His brother said he was a friggin ragdoll by the end of that tour...........mind you that was at least twice the number of dates they do now.

[Don]

It's only 30 shows so Arnel should be able to handle a two hour set. Bon Jovi just played 99 shows (all sold out by the way) and their singer survived without any help. Arnel has no problem doing all these little guest appearances on his downtime so no one should have to go to show and see Deen sing because the vocalist is tired. Perry did it for 8 years. Arnel only has to do it for probably three years at the most, he should be able to handle it.

Well, Jon's an awesome singer and I'm not putting him down by any means, but consider the fact of how long he's been doing this gig and how he had to come to terms with facing vocal limitations (dropping keys), while Journey is still playing their stuff in the original key (not to say that Bon Jovi has switched all of their catalog)

True, they've dropped keys and he's not singing those "highs" like at the end of Runaway anymore, replaced with a guitar dual w/Richie. You can't really compare early Journey songs to anything from Bon Jovi.....I can't see anybody being able to carry off that early material in Perry's original key night after night (the man was a freak of nature ). Not sure how many singers Journey is going to have to go through before they realize that. Seriously, drop them down....does anybody really notice or care.....BJ is still putting on a great show.

And Gbot, JBJ did have help on their New Jersey tour. By the end of the tour he was getting daily steriod shots in his neck. Jon (and his mom, dad and brothers talked about it on Behind The Music). His brother said he was a friggin ragdoll by the end of that tour...........mind you that was at least twice the number of dates they do now.

I'm talking about Bon Jovi's tour last year. What I'm saying is the drummer or no one else is stepping in and saying for example "let me give you a break, I'll sing dead or Alive for you." If the vocals are too hard, step down a key like Jon does, but if you're getting paid to be the lead singer it's your job to sing. Everyone has said Arnel's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and when we (I) bitched when he start doing these one off sing alongs on Philippine TV, when he was supposedly resting for the next tour, a lot of people came on here and said don't worry about, he's been singing for years and he'll be fine, and he can do what he wants. Well that is all and good, but no one should be crying later if he complains about getting tired. He should have rested when he was supposed to or alter his keys to reduce the strain. Deen shouldn't have to bail out the lead singer, it just doesn't make sense. That's not what he is getting paid for. i could see Deen helping JSS out but only because those songs were out of his natural range, not due to fatigue.

[Jana]

It's only 30 shows so Arnel should be able to handle a two hour set. Bon Jovi just played 99 shows (all sold out by the way) and their singer survived without any help. Arnel has no problem doing all these little guest appearances on his downtime so no one should have to go to show and see Deen sing because the vocalist is tired. Perry did it for 8 years. Arnel only has to do it for probably three years at the most, he should be able to handle it.

Well, Jon's an awesome singer and I'm not putting him down by any means, but consider the fact of how long he's been doing this gig and how he had to come to terms with facing vocal limitations (dropping keys), while Journey is still playing their stuff in the original key (not to say that Bon Jovi has switched all of their catalog)

True, they've dropped keys and he's not singing those "highs" like at the end of Runaway anymore, replaced with a guitar dual w/Richie. You can't really compare early Journey songs to anything from Bon Jovi.....I can't see anybody being able to carry off that early material in Perry's original key night after night (the man was a freak of nature ). Not sure how many singers Journey is going to have to go through before they realize that. Seriously, drop them down....does anybody really notice or care.....BJ is still putting on a great show.

And Gbot, JBJ did have help on their New Jersey tour. By the end of the tour he was getting daily steriod shots in his neck. Jon (and his mom, dad and brothers talked about it on Behind The Music). His brother said he was a friggin ragdoll by the end of that tour...........mind you that was at least twice the number of dates they do now.

Nice piece of info, Deb, on the steroid shots and the tour. Bon Jovi is one of my all-time favorite bands and they put on an awesome concert. I love the chemistry between Richie and Jon on stage. Bed of Roses is in my top ten favorite ballads of all time.

[Don]

It's only 30 shows so Arnel should be able to handle a two hour set. Bon Jovi just played 99 shows (all sold out by the way) and their singer survived without any help. Arnel has no problem doing all these little guest appearances on his downtime so no one should have to go to show and see Deen sing because the vocalist is tired. Perry did it for 8 years. Arnel only has to do it for probably three years at the most, he should be able to handle it.

Well, Jon's an awesome singer and I'm not putting him down by any means, but consider the fact of how long he's been doing this gig and how he had to come to terms with facing vocal limitations (dropping keys), while Journey is still playing their stuff in the original key (not to say that Bon Jovi has switched all of their catalog)

True, they've dropped keys and he's not singing those "highs" like at the end of Runaway anymore, replaced with a guitar dual w/Richie. You can't really compare early Journey songs to anything from Bon Jovi.....I can't see anybody being able to carry off that early material in Perry's original key night after night (the man was a freak of nature ). Not sure how many singers Journey is going to have to go through before they realize that. Seriously, drop them down....does anybody really notice or care.....BJ is still putting on a great show.

And Gbot, JBJ did have help on their New Jersey tour. By the end of the tour he was getting daily steriod shots in his neck. Jon (and his mom, dad and brothers talked about it on Behind The Music). His brother said he was a friggin ragdoll by the end of that tour...........mind you that was at least twice the number of dates they do now.

Nice piece of info, Deb, on the steroid shots and the tour. Bon Jovi is one of my all-time favorite bands and they put on an awesome concert. I love the chemistry between Richie and Jon on stage. Bed of Roses is in my top ten favorite ballads of all time.

I believe Deb is talking about a tour from 20 years ago, I'm talking about last year, just to clarify. The current Bon Jovi and Journey aren't even in the same Solar System with each other anymore.

[Deb]

It's only 30 shows so Arnel should be able to handle a two hour set. Bon Jovi just played 99 shows (all sold out by the way) and their singer survived without any help. Arnel has no problem doing all these little guest appearances on his downtime so no one should have to go to show and see Deen sing because the vocalist is tired. Perry did it for 8 years. Arnel only has to do it for probably three years at the most, he should be able to handle it.

Well, Jon's an awesome singer and I'm not putting him down by any means, but consider the fact of how long he's been doing this gig and how he had to come to terms with facing vocal limitations (dropping keys), while Journey is still playing their stuff in the original key (not to say that Bon Jovi has switched all of their catalog)

True, they've dropped keys and he's not singing those "highs" like at the end of Runaway anymore, replaced with a guitar dual w/Richie. You can't really compare early Journey songs to anything from Bon Jovi.....I can't see anybody being able to carry off that early material in Perry's original key night after night (the man was a freak of nature ). Not sure how many singers Journey is going to have to go through before they realize that. Seriously, drop them down....does anybody really notice or care.....BJ is still putting on a great show.

And Gbot, JBJ did have help on their New Jersey tour. By the end of the tour he was getting daily steriod shots in his neck. Jon (and his mom, dad and brothers talked about it on Behind The Music). His brother said he was a friggin ragdoll by the end of that tour...........mind you that was at least twice the number of dates they do now.

Nice piece of info, Deb, on the steroid shots and the tour. Bon Jovi is one of my all-time favorite bands and they put on an awesome concert. I love the chemistry between Richie and Jon on stage. Bed of Roses is in my top ten favorite ballads of all time.

I believe Deb is talking about a tour from 20 years ago, I'm talking about last year, just to clarify.

Yep, like I said above, I wish Journey would follow their suit and drop it down a key or two and drop the number of dates. Looking back on some of the tours those bands did in the 80s.....like Bon Jovi for example with back to back 18-month Slippery and New Jersey tours. It's crazy! Surprising any of them have any pipes left.

Ya call it LSD (lead singers disease) or call me an LSA (lead singers advocate) but I think they go through 10 fold what the rest of the band does. Considering their parts can't be replaced and the responsibility (not exclusively, but mainly falls on them to keep the crowd focussed and entertained) So if some of them suffer burn out or health issues is it any wonder why.

[Jana]

It's only 30 shows so Arnel should be able to handle a two hour set. Bon Jovi just played 99 shows (all sold out by the way) and their singer survived without any help. Arnel has no problem doing all these little guest appearances on his downtime so no one should have to go to show and see Deen sing because the vocalist is tired. Perry did it for 8 years. Arnel only has to do it for probably three years at the most, he should be able to handle it.

Well, Jon's an awesome singer and I'm not putting him down by any means, but consider the fact of how long he's been doing this gig and how he had to come to terms with facing vocal limitations (dropping keys), while Journey is still playing their stuff in the original key (not to say that Bon Jovi has switched all of their catalog)

True, they've dropped keys and he's not singing those "highs" like at the end of Runaway anymore, replaced with a guitar dual w/Richie. You can't really compare early Journey songs to anything from Bon Jovi.....I can't see anybody being able to carry off that early material in Perry's original key night after night (the man was a freak of nature ). Not sure how many singers Journey is going to have to go through before they realize that. Seriously, drop them down....does anybody really notice or care.....BJ is still putting on a great show.

And Gbot, JBJ did have help on their New Jersey tour. By the end of the tour he was getting daily steriod shots in his neck. Jon (and his mom, dad and brothers talked about it on Behind The Music). His brother said he was a friggin ragdoll by the end of that tour...........mind you that was at least twice the number of dates they do now.

Nice piece of info, Deb, on the steroid shots and the tour. Bon Jovi is one of my all-time favorite bands and they put on an awesome concert. I love the chemistry between Richie and Jon on stage. Bed of Roses is in my top ten favorite ballads of all time.

I believe Deb is talking about a tour from 20 years ago, I'm talking about last year, just to clarify.

Yep, like I said above, I wish Journey would follow their suit and drop it down a key or two and drop the number of dates. Looking back on some of the tours those bands did in the 80s.....like Bon Jovi for example with back to back 18-month Slippery and New Jersey tours. It's crazy! Surprising any of them have any pipes left.

Ya call it LSD (lead singers disease) or call me an LSA (lead singers advocate) but I think they go through 10 fold what the rest of the band does. Considering their parts can't be replaced and the responsibility (not exclusively, but mainly falls on them to keep the crowd focussed and entertained) So if some of them suffer burn out or health issues is it any wonder why.

I understood. And I agree with you. The pressure is enormous on singers, and they do carry the show. And Arnel's voice was strained at the end of this last tour. He is 41. Neal said he wouldn't want to be the lead singer of Journey for anything, because the catalogue of songs is so hard. They need to adjust this next tour.

[Don]

I just think it's pretty amazing that 22 years later, Bon Jovi can still sell out 99 shows, let alone schedule that many to begin with. Pretty good for a guy that started out playing guitar for Scandal and Patty Smyth.

[Deb]

I just think it's pretty amazing that 22 years later, Bon Jovi can still sell out 99 shows, let alone schedule that many to begin with. Pretty good for a guy that started out playing guitar for Scandal and Patty Smyth.

From what I've read and seen, Jon seems to have an amazing head for the business end, he knows what he's doing. After watching a couple biographies and especially that BTM on Jovi, the similarities with Journey are amazing. Jon's burn out after New Jersey and before Keep The Faith was handled much differently then Journey/Perry's after ROR. They waited for Jon to "find himself" or whatever and finally got back together, fired their management and managed themselves. I think they've lasted so long and still selling out is partially due to it being still original members....and IMO, I don't think Richie has quite the ego Neal does when it comes to just letting the reigns go trusting Jon knew what he was doing. Jon played guitar for Scandal/Patty Smyth? Really? That's something I didn't know.

[Don]

I just think it's pretty amazing that 22 years later, Bon Jovi can still sell out 99 shows, let alone schedule that many to begin with. Pretty good for a guy that started out playing guitar for Scandal and Patty Smyth.

From what I've read and seen, Jon seems to have an amazing head for the business end, he knows what he's doing. After watching a couple biographies and especially that BTM on Jovi, the similarities with Journey are amazing. Jon's burn out after New Jersey and before Keep The Faith was handled much differently then Journey/Perry's after ROR. They waited for Jon to "find himself" or whatever and finally got back together, fired their management and managed themselves. I think they've lasted so long and still selling out is partially due to it being still original members....and IMO, I don't think Richie has quite the ego Neal does when it comes to just letting the reigns go trusting Jon knew what he was doing. Jon played guitar for Scandal/Patty Smyth? Really? That's something I didn't know.

Pay attention at the 20 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIdBDhgNXGY

I met Bon Jovi in a Tokyo club in 85 or 86, I can't remember. They were huge over there in Japan and very down to earth. i wonder if they have changed much?

[Deb]

I just think it's pretty amazing that 22 years later, Bon Jovi can still sell out 99 shows, let alone schedule that many to begin with. Pretty good for a guy that started out playing guitar for Scandal and Patty Smyth.

From what I've read and seen, Jon seems to have an amazing head for the business end, he knows what he's doing. After watching a couple biographies and especially that BTM on Jovi, the similarities with Journey are amazing. Jon's burn out after New Jersey and before Keep The Faith was handled much differently then Journey/Perry's after ROR. They waited for Jon to "find himself" or whatever and finally got back together, fired their management and managed themselves. I think they've lasted so long and still selling out is partially due to it being still original members....and IMO, I don't think Richie has quite the ego Neal does when it comes to just letting the reigns go trusting Jon knew what he was doing. Jon played guitar for Scandal/Patty Smyth? Really? That's something I didn't know.

Pay attention at the 20 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIdBDhgNXGY

I met Bon Jovi in a Tokyo club in 85 or 86, I can't remember. They were huge over there in Japan and very down to earth. i wonder if they have changed much?

I can't view youtube at work, I'll check it out tonight. Tokyo couldn't get enough of Mr. Big either, they know good music. Never met any of them, but I've heard Tico is a real sweetheart.

[Jana]

I just think it's pretty amazing that 22 years later, Bon Jovi can still sell out 99 shows, let alone schedule that many to begin with. Pretty good for a guy that started out playing guitar for Scandal and Patty Smyth.

From what I've read and seen, Jon seems to have an amazing head for the business end, he knows what he's doing. After watching a couple biographies and especially that BTM on Jovi, the similarities are amazing. Jon's burn out after New Jersey and before Keep The Faith was handled much differently then Journey/Perry's after ROR. I think they've lasted so long and still selling out is partially due to it being still original members....and IMO, I don't think Richie has quite the ego Neal does when it comes to just letting the reigns go trusting Jon knew what he was doing. Jon played guitar for Scandal/Patty Smyth? Really? That's something I didn't know.

True, Bon Jovi still has the original members., and Bon Jovi's music stays very current. They took a chance on Lost Highway. I'm mixed on that, but I admired him for still having the creative drive. Same with U2. They've stayed together and kept their music relevant and their tours are huge when they go out on the road. Bono's voice has deteriorated, but he still puts on a great performance.

I remember reading that in I think it was 2007 Bon Jovi sold out a 23,000 venue in London in less than 30 minutes. Not bad for a 20 year band.