I remember a time....

[Vladan]

No hate from me, Andrew is a cool guy

For sure man, it's cool. I guess, Journey can sometimes make us say and do some crazy things

[cyndy!]

peev - is that the name of your goat?

my goats name was maggie, she croacked in my basement,i didnt eat her when she kicked the bucket, i had to bury her, took me 3 hours

that's so sweet. you must have really cared about her.

[Blueskies]

Holy ships, why all the hate against Andrew? damn, I can't think of a nicer and more tolerant moderator ever, I don't know where the hate is coming from. That's really bizarre, am I the only one confused

No, I'm not confused about it at all. There are some who think they are being slick and continually thumb their nose at Andrew and try to press their own agenda's to do what they want. They try to pit people against each other and treat those that don't agree with them or have crossed them and seen thru them as outcasts and level attack campaigns. When they think they have achieved some power by working it over time and gaining friends who will agree with them and go on a campaign of complaints in support of them then they push their weight around even more on here and start threatening...telling him he'll be sorry if he says anything to them and they will purposely say and do things to make him and his site look bad. Sometimes they will even go off on a smear campaign against MR on another board. Some have had agendas to take him down and steal his traffic and entice people to come to their site instead. Whenever Andrew gets on to those who do it they start acting like he's the bad guy and they are the innocent victims. They will use his tolerance against him and then he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Some have been more clever with their manipulative tactics then others. I have watched it happen several times and it's always been pretty transparent.

[stevew2]

peev - is that the name of your goat?

my goats name was maggie, she croacked in my basement,i didnt eat her when she kicked the bucket, i had to bury her, took me 3 hours

that's so sweet. you must have really cared about her.

She was sweet,she would but everyone with her horns, id grab them and play with her,i still miss her,I like animals more than most people I deal with

[slucero]

LMAO.. Drew!!!

Ban Liam, close and delete this thread please!!!

[RedWingFan]

I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.

What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.

THE GUY SUCKS. If he was even HALFWAY decent, I might actually BE a Journey fan still. I like American bands to have singers that can actually pronounce their "L's".

Dude you just said in your first post.

"I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite."

Then followed that up with this.

THE GUY SUCKS. If he was even HALFWAY decent, I might actually BE a Journey fan still. I like American bands to have singers that can actually pronounce their "L's".

Which means you would have followed the same road as Rick if you had the same opinion of Arnel. Yet you're pissed at him?

[wildcat75]

One more thing before I get banned....ARNEL EATS DOGS.

How dare you to say such kind of things to someone you didn't even know personally? You may not like the man and you are entitled to your own opinion but to accused someone of such derogatory remarks is unacceptable, did you have any proof that Arnel eats dogs, show me any proof and i will apologized to you in behalf of him but if you don't ,you better shut your polluted mouth. I can't believed there's still some people like you on this earth who are very mean, just bcoz you didn't like the man to front Journey doesn't mean that you have the right to keep on insulting him and attacked him below the belt. You're such a loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[donnaplease]

Perhaps if Andrew ever does get that interview with Arnel, this should be the first question that he asks?

Do you or don't you? Enquiring minds want to know!!!

If it's a cultural thing, then it's likely that he has participated in that cultural experience. If he's proud of his culture, he shouldn't be offended by it, regardless of what is behind it by others. I personally think it's a disgusting idea to eat dog meat, but I also don't like to eat deer, rabbit, or any other meat that I didn't buy from the grocery store. And I live in the sticks!!!

When I lived in San Diego, my babysitter was filipino. My 2 kids were around filipino folks all the time, and even learned some of the language. We spent quite a bit of time together, and there was food involved. I hope I never ate dog!!! I'm gagging just thinking about it!

p.s. There's no dog meat in loompia, is there????

[StoneCold]

Perhaps if Andrew ever does get that interview with Arnel, this should be the first question that he asks?

Do you or don't you? Enquiring minds want to know!!!

If it's a cultural thing, then it's likely that he has participated in that cultural experience. If he's proud of his culture, he shouldn't be offended by it, regardless of what is behind it by others. I personally think it's a disgusting idea to eat dog meat, but I also don't like to eat deer, rabbit, or any other meat that I didn't buy from the grocery store. And I live in the sticks!!!

When I lived in San Diego, my babysitter was filipino. My 2 kids were around filipino folks all the time, and even learned some of the language. We spent quite a bit of time together, and there was food involved. I hope I never ate dog!!! I'm gagging just thinking about it!

p.s. There's no dog meat in loompia, is there????

So now I have to find out what each actor, musician or talk show host has on their menu before I watch their shows?

Who cares what he eats? Its only being mentioned to insult him.

If you eat beef then don't go sing for an Indian band or you might be insulted too.

[Jana]

One more thing before I get banned....ARNEL EATS DOGS.

How dare you to say such kind of things to someone you didn't even know personally? You may not like the man and you are entitled to your own opinion but to accused someone of such derogatory remarks is unacceptable, did you have any proof that Arnel eats dogs, show me any proof and i will apologized to you in behalf of him but if you don't ,you better shut your polluted mouth. I can't believed there's still some people like you on this earth who are very mean, just bcoz you didn't like the man to front Journey doesn't mean that you have the right to keep on insulting him and attacked him below the belt. You're such a loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Audrey Rocks. You go, girl.

[wildcat75]

Perhaps if Andrew ever does get that interview with Arnel, this should be the first question that he asks?

Do you or don't you? Enquiring minds want to know!!!

If it's a cultural thing, then it's likely that he has participated in that cultural experience. If he's proud of his culture, he shouldn't be offended by it, regardless of what is behind it by others. I personally think it's a disgusting idea to eat dog meat, but I also don't like to eat deer, rabbit, or any other meat that I didn't buy from the grocery store. And I live in the sticks!!!

When I lived in San Diego, my babysitter was filipino. My 2 kids were around filipino folks all the time, and even learned some of the language. We spent quite a bit of time together, and there was food involved. I hope I never ate dog!!! I'm gagging just thinking about it!

p.s. There's no dog meat in loompia, is there????

No, you're wrong Donna, i'm a Filipino and my entire families, relatives and friends never participated in eating dogs, and firstly it's illegal to slaughter dogs for food in the Phils. and filipinos never eaten dogs being serve as food so i beg to disagree w/ that moron LIAM ,he's absulutely a very sick man btw and don't worry there's no dog meat in loompia.

[donnaplease]

Perhaps if Andrew ever does get that interview with Arnel, this should be the first question that he asks?

Do you or don't you? Enquiring minds want to know!!!

If it's a cultural thing, then it's likely that he has participated in that cultural experience. If he's proud of his culture, he shouldn't be offended by it, regardless of what is behind it by others. I personally think it's a disgusting idea to eat dog meat, but I also don't like to eat deer, rabbit, or any other meat that I didn't buy from the grocery store. And I live in the sticks!!!

When I lived in San Diego, my babysitter was filipino. My 2 kids were around filipino folks all the time, and even learned some of the language. We spent quite a bit of time together, and there was food involved. I hope I never ate dog!!! I'm gagging just thinking about it!

p.s. There's no dog meat in loompia, is there????

So now I have to find out what each actor, musician or talk show host has on their menu before I watch their shows?

Who cares what he eats? Its only being mentioned to insult him.

If you eat beef then don't go sing for an Indian band or you might be insulted too.

I guess that'd be your call. Personally, if I found out that someone I looked up to participated in something that I found inappropriate or down-right gross, it might make a difference in my opinion of them.

Being in the spotlight allows folks to insult him. He's not beyond that just because he's from a different culture. The thing about it for me is that he (or his fans) can't have it both ways. You can't praise him for his culture and overcoming all of the hardships that go along with it, and then be insulated from the aspects of it that other cultures don't understand. And we've certainly seen the filipino contingent out in full force to support him. Some of my favorite comedians are ones that 'insult' their own race as part of their routine. Granted there is a double standard in that if I, as a white American, made those same comments I would be flogged, but they make fun of stereotypes of their cultures and it's effin hilarious! Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock and Carlos Mencia are some that come to mind. And of course, as a fellow hillbilly redneck, I love Larry the Cable Guy!

I don't care if he eats it or doesn't eat it. It's a disgusting concept to me either way. My point is that folks are getting all worked up over something that may or may not be true. It's not racist or an insult if it's true. It's just... true.

[mdaemon]

One more thing before I get banned....ARNEL EATS DOGS.

Awww crap...come on Liam...youre a better person then that and you just lost all credibilty in your positions. That comment is just said to entice animosity. So what if dogs have been consumed in the culture? This comment just comes off as racist even if you don't mean it that way. It's also unfair to attack Arnel due to things the band members have done in the past. He's not to blame. Or just because you prefer someone else. If you don't like his singing then fine..thats your opinion and he can be held accountable for his performances....but don't attack him for who he is. Hey..he took an opportunity that was brought to him...he didn't do anything to anyone to get it. If you were in his shoes and Neal had called you up and given you the opportunity of a lifetime you would have taken it to. I can see where you are coming from with what you are saying in regards to other things but you have no basis for attacking Arnel as a person or his culture. Thats just not cool.

May I just tell everybody that only a small percentage of the Filipino population eat dogs. It is not even eaten as a regular viand but mostly as a pulutan (food eaten while drinking). To brand us as dog eaters because 1% of the Pinoy eat dog is as dumb as saying that it is in the culture of Americans to be war freaks because Bush bombed Iraq.

Andrew, I trust that you will do what is right. It will be terribly sad to see Liam post here again and bring your board down to the low it was before.

[Lula]

i think we know the accusation came from a bad place. i have a friend who served in the peace corps and he lived in the philipines, he ate dog cuz that was the norm jn the village. just cuz we might find it disgusting does not make it wrong. i think raw fish is disgusting, but i don't knock those who dig it. hindus hold the cow sacred and we eat beef everyday. different cultures do/eat different things, makes life interesting.

[mdaemon]

Perhaps if Andrew ever does get that interview with Arnel, this should be the first question that he asks?

Do you or don't you? Enquiring minds want to know!!!

If it's a cultural thing, then it's likely that he has participated in that cultural experience. If he's proud of his culture, he shouldn't be offended by it, regardless of what is behind it by others. I personally think it's a disgusting idea to eat dog meat, but I also don't like to eat deer, rabbit, or any other meat that I didn't buy from the grocery store. And I live in the sticks!!!

When I lived in San Diego, my babysitter was filipino. My 2 kids were around filipino folks all the time, and even learned some of the language. We spent quite a bit of time together, and there was food involved. I hope I never ate dog!!! I'm gagging just thinking about it!

p.s. There's no dog meat in loompia, is there????

Donna, no, there is no dog in lumpia. We put powdered dogs on rice though

...oh and it's not a cultural thing. Only a very small percentage of the population eat dogs.

[mdaemon]

i think we know the accusation came from a bad place. i have a friend who served in the peace corps and he lived in the philipines, he ate dog cuz that was the norm jn the village. just cuz we might find it disgusting does not make it wrong. i think raw fish is disgusting, but i don't knock those who dig it. hindus hold the cow sacred and we eat beef everyday. different cultures do/eat different things, makes life interesting.

I wonder what village that is. They seem to have more dogs than chicken and pigs combined

[mdaemon]

Perhaps if Andrew ever does get that interview with Arnel, this should be the first question that he asks?

Do you or don't you? Enquiring minds want to know!!!

If it's a cultural thing, then it's likely that he has participated in that cultural experience. If he's proud of his culture, he shouldn't be offended by it, regardless of what is behind it by others. I personally think it's a disgusting idea to eat dog meat, but I also don't like to eat deer, rabbit, or any other meat that I didn't buy from the grocery store. And I live in the sticks!!!

When I lived in San Diego, my babysitter was filipino. My 2 kids were around filipino folks all the time, and even learned some of the language. We spent quite a bit of time together, and there was food involved. I hope I never ate dog!!! I'm gagging just thinking about it!

p.s. There's no dog meat in loompia, is there????

No, you're wrong Donna, i'm a Filipino and my entire families, relatives and friends never participated in eating dogs, and firstly it's illegal to slaughter dogs for food in the Phils. and filipinos never eaten dogs being serve as food so i beg to disagree w/ that moron LIAM ,he's absulutely a very sick man btw and don't worry there's no dog meat in loompia.

....you call yourself a pinoy? It's lumpia

[Lula]

Andrew, I trust that you will do what is right. It will be terribly sad to see Liam post here again and bring your board down to the low it was before.

liam may have been out of line, but to lay that trip on andrew as you just did is bullshit. this board ebbs and flows and i imagine will continue to do so. arnel is not the second coming of journey to many fans and on occasion some get the urge to be nasty

[Lula]

i think we know the accusation came from a bad place. i have a friend who served in the peace corps and he lived in the philipines, he ate dog cuz that was the norm in the village. just cuz we might find it disgusting does not make it wrong. i think raw fish is disgusting, but i don't knock those who dig it. hindus hold the cow sacred and we eat beef everyday. different cultures do/eat different things, makes life interesting.

I wonder what village that is. They seem to have more dogs than chicken and pigs combined

i don't get it?

[StoneCold]

I guess that'd be your call. Personally, if I found out that someone I looked up to participated in something that I found inappropriate or down-right gross, it might make a difference in my opinion of them.

...

I don't care if he eats it or doesn't eat it. It's a disgusting concept to me either way. My point is that folks are getting all worked up over something that may or may not be true. It's not racist or an insult if it's true. It's just... true.

I understand your point but the thread wasn't really about food anyway. Liam was either angry or drunk and lashing out at Andrew via Arnel. If I was on a desert island with little food, I eat just about anything short of people to survive. Watch out fluffy!

I agree about inappropriate behavior but it has to be pretty drastic. Current examples, Chris Brown and Roman Polanski should go to jail.

[mdaemon]

Andrew, I trust that you will do what is right. It will be terribly sad to see Liam post here again and bring your board down to the low it was before.

liam may have been out of line, but to lay that trip on andrew as you just did is bullshit. this board ebbs and flows and i imagine will continue to do so. arnel is not the second coming of journey to many fans and on occasion some get the urge to be nasty

Andrew and Liam will be fine. I am sure they're both grown men and they can speak for themselves. Andrew has been called a lot of names, accused of being a lot of things, and have seen enough bullshit on this board. I am sure he'll be fine with me asking him to do something that I think is right. If he doesn't do it, fine by me. It's not my board.

[wildcat75]

Perhaps if Andrew ever does get that interview with Arnel, this should be the first question that he asks?

Do you or don't you? Enquiring minds want to know!!!

If it's a cultural thing, then it's likely that he has participated in that cultural experience. If he's proud of his culture, he shouldn't be offended by it, regardless of what is behind it by others. I personally think it's a disgusting idea to eat dog meat, but I also don't like to eat deer, rabbit, or any other meat that I didn't buy from the grocery store. And I live in the sticks!!!

When I lived in San Diego, my babysitter was filipino. My 2 kids were around filipino folks all the time, and even learned some of the language. We spent quite a bit of time together, and there was food involved. I hope I never ate dog!!! I'm gagging just thinking about it!

p.s. There's no dog meat in loompia, is there????

No, you're wrong Donna, i'm a Filipino and my entire families, relatives and friends never participated in eating dogs, and firstly it's illegal to slaughter dogs for food in the Phils. and filipinos never eaten dogs being serve as food so i beg to disagree w/ that moron LIAM ,he's absulutely a very sick man btw and don't worry there's no dog meat in loompia.

....you call yourself a pinoy? It's lumpia

i JUST COPIED ON HOW DONNA SPELLED LOOMPIA MY MIND BLOCKED WHEN I SAW LIAM'S POST

[donnaplease]

I guess that'd be your call. Personally, if I found out that someone I looked up to participated in something that I found inappropriate or down-right gross, it might make a difference in my opinion of them.

...

I don't care if he eats it or doesn't eat it. It's a disgusting concept to me either way. My point is that folks are getting all worked up over something that may or may not be true. It's not racist or an insult if it's true. It's just... true.

I understand your point but the thread wasn't really about food anyway. Liam was either angry or drunk and lashing out at Andrew via Arnel. If I was on a desert island with little food, I eat just about anything short of people to survive. Watch out fluffy!

I agree about inappropriate behavior but it has to be pretty drastic. Current examples, Chris Brown and Roman Polanski should go to jail.

I think what kinda bugged me was the person who came in and essentially said Liam was the devil incarnate for his comment, as if all the world's evils were his fault for his comment that Arnel eats dogs. People say that to get a rise out of some folks, and it works like a charm! Liam's comment wasn't a whole lot different than some by others here who now extol all Arnel's virtues and pretend that they never participated in it. And I think that's what he's angry about, regardless of whether he was drunk or not. I didn't see it as lashing out at Andrew, though. He was just sparking a fire in an otherwise dull cyberworld on a Friday night, in my view. I wasn't here, I don't know for sure, but that's how I read it. Once upon a time, when we were all one big, happy family, that was allowed here, and folks jumped in and had fun. Times have changed and the board has evolved, as I'm sure it did around the time I joined.

IDK what I'd do if I were on a desert island. Watching shows like Survivor and Fear Factor literally make me nauseated. My brother-in-law is a hunter and wanted to mount the head of the deer he killed. Travis let him put it in our freezer until he took it to the taxidermist. I threw away all the food in the freezer because seeing that nasty thing there (even though it was in a black trash bag) and smelling it disgusted me and tainted everything else in there. Like I said, I don't eat it if it doesn't come out of a package at the grocery store. I know that's weird, but it's my rationalization for eating meat, and I'm sticking to it!

[donnaplease]

Perhaps if Andrew ever does get that interview with Arnel, this should be the first question that he asks?

Do you or don't you? Enquiring minds want to know!!!

If it's a cultural thing, then it's likely that he has participated in that cultural experience. If he's proud of his culture, he shouldn't be offended by it, regardless of what is behind it by others. I personally think it's a disgusting idea to eat dog meat, but I also don't like to eat deer, rabbit, or any other meat that I didn't buy from the grocery store. And I live in the sticks!!!

When I lived in San Diego, my babysitter was filipino. My 2 kids were around filipino folks all the time, and even learned some of the language. We spent quite a bit of time together, and there was food involved. I hope I never ate dog!!! I'm gagging just thinking about it!

p.s. There's no dog meat in loompia, is there????

No, you're wrong Donna, i'm a Filipino and my entire families, relatives and friends never participated in eating dogs, and firstly it's illegal to slaughter dogs for food in the Phils. and filipinos never eaten dogs being serve as food so i beg to disagree w/ that moron LIAM ,he's absulutely a very sick man btw and don't worry there's no dog meat in loompia.

....you call yourself a pinoy? It's lumpia

i JUST COPIED ON HOW DONNA SPELLED LOOMPIA MY MIND BLOCKED WHEN I SAW LIAM'S POST

I've seen it spelled both ways when I bought it in the commissary in San Diego. Sorry.

[Gideon]

One more thing before I get banned....ARNEL EATS DOGS.

Classy.

Looking forward to someone trying to offer an excuse for this.

Donna, you didn't disappoint.

[donnaplease]

One more thing before I get banned....ARNEL EATS DOGS.

Classy.

Looking forward to someone trying to offer an excuse for this.

Donna, you didn't disappoint.

Go outside and play little boy.

[Gideon]

One more thing before I get banned....ARNEL EATS DOGS.

Classy.

Looking forward to someone trying to offer an excuse for this.

Donna, you didn't disappoint.

Go outside and play little boy.

Surely that isn't the best you've got. You've attempted to justify an unjustifiable remark made by a person who is demonstrably embittered by both the forum administration and the band this forum is centered around and, when called out on it, your response is a flame-bait saturated in ageism?

[donnaplease]

May I just tell everybody that only a small percentage of the Filipino population eat dogs. It is not even eaten as a regular viand but mostly as a pulutan (food eaten while drinking). To brand us as dog eaters because 1% of the Pinoy eat dog is as dumb as saying that it is in the culture of Americans to be war freaks because Bush bombed Iraq.

So are you saying that you guys have baskets of dog meat sitting on your bars to munch on just like we have baskets of peanuts??? Just askin...

[Deb]

Holy sh*t! Seriously??? Nothing f*cking better to do???? Go outside and play in the snow.......or better yet listen to live stream of JSS on ARfm radio!

[mdaemon]

May I just tell everybody that only a small percentage of the Filipino population eat dogs. It is not even eaten as a regular viand but mostly as a pulutan (food eaten while drinking). To brand us as dog eaters because 1% of the Pinoy eat dog is as dumb as saying that it is in the culture of Americans to be war freaks because Bush bombed Iraq.

So are you saying that you guys have baskets of dog meat sitting on your bars to munch on just like we have baskets of peanuts??? Just askin...

Yup, in fact I have one in my pocket now. Wanna have a bite?

Seriously though, when I said drinking, I meant drinking on a neighbor's backyard or somebody else's home in "some" areas of the Philippines. Try ordering a dog dish in a bar in Manila, Cebu, or Davao and you will get weird and "yuck, you're disgusting" looks from people.