steveo777 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:

Escape81 wrote:

BTM makes it clear that it was around Neal.... Gregg was just an accessory. And no he should not get ALL of the credit for "his band"..... Im pretty sure no one here has said that..... in fact, more people I see want to give ALL the credit to Steve, not Neal. I personally give most of the credit to Steve, but a substantial amount also needs to be given to Neal and Jonathan in my book....

I agree with that 100%. Without Jon's song writing, I don't think they would have gone as far as they did either. Every member of that band, except maybe Ross (imho) is a legend in their own right. I think it was a magical combination that will never be duplicated by any of them solo.

Ross makes legendary faces.

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Gunbot wrote:

Escape81 wrote:

You're joking, right??? There is no double standard on my end whatsoever...... I'm FAR more interested in the music these guys put out (ALL of them) rather than the personal soap opera between them...... what happened to Jeff and Steve A. WAS ridiculous, I agree. It's one thing to fire a singer or replace one, but HOW you do it is important. From my understanding, Steve A. was dropped the second Jeff got rave reviews during the tour w/ Def Leppard.... and someone from REO Speedwagon or Styx told Jeff that he was replaced, right???? It was highly unethical and devious of management to do.... and if I get confirmation that Neal was the mastermind behind it all, rather than the management itself, then Ill happily heap the blame his way.

Now tell me how SP wanting to get paid like a full fledged member, the subsequent gag orders and other BS constitutes him trying to protect the work he contributed heavily to.

Gag orders, like the one JSS and augeri signed? Sounds like standard practice for Journey.
I'm telling you to pay me as a fullfledged member and you don't tell me no, you don't take me to court, even though it's your band?
Conveniently though, while I'm getting paid, I never tour or sing Journey music in front of a paying audience. In short, I never compete against you for your audience.

I know Lora has debunked the non-compete clause idea but why would Neal give in so willingly then? He is supposed to be Mr. Badass yet he lets egomaniacal Perry tell him that he has to pay him even though it's his band?

None of it make sense.

I agree and always have.


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What do you mean he couldnt tour and not do Journey songs???? Sure he could! Im sure the man has thousands of industry contacts and stuff.... he could have formed a new band if he so desired. Jon and Neal did it w/ Bad English and Hardline. Steve's talented and connected enough to do it....

steveo777 wrote:

So, Escape, do you know of any good proxies?

???

Im not sure if they used a proxy in their dealings or not.

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Escape81 wrote:

You didnt answer my question.... out of curiosity, are you playing devil's advocate here or are you trying to make an actual point that I'm just not seeing??? Im not sure who Lora is, but I take it that she's someone close to Steve P.?? If she debunked the idea that Steve was forced to not compete against Journey for ten years, then why bring it up at all?

What was your question, how Steve was trying to protect the music? I think he has explained it ad nauseum his reasoning for the band not continuing on as Journey. Does it all make sense, no but they were his reasons none the less.

I brought up what Lora said, because no one is coming up with a good reason why Neal never went to court and even offered a challenge to Perry's demands. The non-compete thing is the only thing I can think of, despite what she said. As there were gag orders, we'll just have to wait out the statute of limitations I guess to see what really happened.

I don't get the non-compete you come up with. Perry would never have signed that unless he just flat-out didn't want to perform and didn't care anyway. Neal didn't go to court b/c litigation costs a fortune, and Perry wouldn't have gone without a fight. They had attorneys advising them, and I'm sure they were advised it was their best option unless they wanted to be tied up in litigation for years and years to come and not be able to move on, which there again they would have lost the momentum from the release of TBF. Lawsuits move at a snail's pace. It was like a divorce. Neither side were completely happy, but it was something they both could live with.

apparently it isn't something they can both live with because Neal is certainly bitching about it now.


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journeyrock wrote:

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Escape81 wrote:

You didnt answer my question.... out of curiosity, are you playing devil's advocate here or are you trying to make an actual point that I'm just not seeing??? Im not sure who Lora is, but I take it that she's someone close to Steve P.?? If she debunked the idea that Steve was forced to not compete against Journey for ten years, then why bring it up at all?

What was your question, how Steve was trying to protect the music? I think he has explained it ad nauseum his reasoning for the band not continuing on as Journey. Does it all make sense, no but they were his reasons none the less.

I brought up what Lora said, because no one is coming up with a good reason why Neal never went to court and even offered a challenge to Perry's demands. The non-compete thing is the only thing I can think of, despite what she said. As there were gag orders, we'll just have to wait out the statute of limitations I guess to see what really happened.

I don't get the non-compete you come up with. Perry would never have signed that unless he just flat-out didn't want to perform and didn't care anyway. Neal didn't go to court b/c litigation costs a fortune, and Perry wouldn't have gone without a fight. They had attorneys advising them, and I'm sure they were advised it was their best option unless they wanted to be tied up in litigation for years and years to come and not be able to move on, which there again they would have lost the momentum from the release of TBF. Lawsuits move at a snail's pace. It was like a divorce. Neither side were completely happy, but it was something they both could live with.

apparently it isn't something they can both live with because Neal is certainly bitching about it now.

Where is Neal bitching now? Neal should be happy 2008 has come and gone.

They are made selfish moves, they were all assholes, but who cares? I still love me some Journey and still hoping one day to see those assholes reunited for a tour even if it is for $$$$$$


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journeyrock wrote:

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Escape81 wrote:

You didnt answer my question.... out of curiosity, are you playing devil's advocate here or are you trying to make an actual point that I'm just not seeing??? Im not sure who Lora is, but I take it that she's someone close to Steve P.?? If she debunked the idea that Steve was forced to not compete against Journey for ten years, then why bring it up at all?

What was your question, how Steve was trying to protect the music? I think he has explained it ad nauseum his reasoning for the band not continuing on as Journey. Does it all make sense, no but they were his reasons none the less.

I brought up what Lora said, because no one is coming up with a good reason why Neal never went to court and even offered a challenge to Perry's demands. The non-compete thing is the only thing I can think of, despite what she said. As there were gag orders, we'll just have to wait out the statute of limitations I guess to see what really happened.

I don't get the non-compete you come up with. Perry would never have signed that unless he just flat-out didn't want to perform and didn't care anyway. Neal didn't go to court b/c litigation costs a fortune, and Perry wouldn't have gone without a fight. They had attorneys advising them, and I'm sure they were advised it was their best option unless they wanted to be tied up in litigation for years and years to come and not be able to move on, which there again they would have lost the momentum from the release of TBF. Lawsuits move at a snail's pace. It was like a divorce. Neither side were completely happy, but it was something they both could live with.

apparently it isn't something they can both live with because Neal is certainly bitching about it now.

He's lived with it. It doesn't mean he was happy about it. I still have friends bitching about their divorce settlement years after, but they live with it.


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Escape81 wrote:

What do you mean he couldnt tour and not do Journey songs???? Sure he could! Im sure the man has thousands of industry contacts and stuff.... he could have formed a new band if he so desired. Jon and Neal did it w/ Bad English and Hardline. Steve's talented and connected enough to do it....

Don't shoot me for this, and no, I don't know Steve, but I don't think he thought he could. His solo releases certainly didn't draw what Journey's did. And he said himself on one occasion during the promo tour for SM, that it would silly to go out and not do Journey songs.


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steveo777 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Escape81 wrote:

You didnt answer my question.... out of curiosity, are you playing devil's advocate here or are you trying to make an actual point that I'm just not seeing??? Im not sure who Lora is, but I take it that she's someone close to Steve P.?? If she debunked the idea that Steve was forced to not compete against Journey for ten years, then why bring it up at all?

What was your question, how Steve was trying to protect the music? I think he has explained it ad nauseum his reasoning for the band not continuing on as Journey. Does it all make sense, no but they were his reasons none the less.

I brought up what Lora said, because no one is coming up with a good reason why Neal never went to court and even offered a challenge to Perry's demands. The non-compete thing is the only thing I can think of, despite what she said. As there were gag orders, we'll just have to wait out the statute of limitations I guess to see what really happened.

I don't get the non-compete you come up with. Perry would never have signed that unless he just flat-out didn't want to perform and didn't care anyway. Neal didn't go to court b/c litigation costs a fortune, and Perry wouldn't have gone without a fight. They had attorneys advising them, and I'm sure they were advised it was their best option unless they wanted to be tied up in litigation for years and years to come and not be able to move on, which there again they would have lost the momentum from the release of TBF. Lawsuits move at a snail's pace. It was like a divorce. Neither side were completely happy, but it was something they both could live with.

apparently it isn't something they can both live with because Neal is certainly bitching about it now.

Where is Neal bitching now? Neal should be happy 2008 has come and gone.

I was referring to the "Fuck Him" comment.


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perryswoman wrote:

They are made selfish moves, they were all assholes, but who cares? I still love me some Journey and still hoping one day to see those assholes reunited for a tour even if it is for $$$$$$

bottom line......AMEN!


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So, who started the rumor that Pineda was leaving Journey?


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So, who started the rumor that Pineda was leaving Journey?

You.


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Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

So, who started the rumor that Pineda was leaving Journey?

You.

Oh, my bad. Carry on.


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Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

So, who started the rumor that Pineda was leaving Journey?

You.

Oh, my bad. Carry on.

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Gunbot wrote:

So, who started the rumor that Pineda was leaving Journey?

How dare you try and steer this thread back on track!

yeah, and after he was responsible for steering it "off track"


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steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

So, who started the rumor that Pineda was leaving Journey?

How dare you try and steer this thread back on track!

Just trying to get Arnie back in the spotlight. Don't want Perry to take over his thread or anything like that.


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Gunbot wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

So, who started the rumor that Pineda was leaving Journey?

How dare you try and steer this thread back on track!

Just trying to get Arnie back in the spotlight. Don't want Perry to take over his thread or anything like that.

No, we can't have that...... it would be totally off kilter for this place.


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journeyrock wrote:

yeah, and after he was responsible for steering it "off track"

Well, you've gotta admit someone needs to start something around here. With no tour and no new album out, what the hell would we talk about if we didn't have good juicy rumors to sink our teeth into?

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steveo777 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:

yeah, and after he was responsible for steering it "off track"

Well, you've gotta admit someone needs to start something around here. With no tour and no new album out, what the hell would we talk about if we didn't have good juicy rumors to sink our teeth into?

so what other juicy rumor should we start?


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journeyrock wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:

yeah, and after he was responsible for steering it "off track"

Well, you've gotta admit someone needs to start something around here. With no tour and no new album out, what the hell would we talk about if we didn't have good juicy rumors to sink our teeth into?

so what other juicy rumor should we start?

They have held off announcing a tour for 2010 until it could be confirmed that Steve Perry was infact reuniting with Journey.

steveo777 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:

yeah, and after he was responsible for steering it "off track"

Well, you've gotta admit someone needs to start something around here. With no tour and no new album out, what the hell would we talk about if we didn't have good juicy rumors to sink our teeth into?

so what other juicy rumor should we start?

They have held off announcing a tour for 2010 until it could be confirmed that Steve Perry was infact reuniting with Journey.

OMG, you're brave!!!!!


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steveo777 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:

yeah, and after he was responsible for steering it "off track"

Well, you've gotta admit someone needs to start something around here. With no tour and no new album out, what the hell would we talk about if we didn't have good juicy rumors to sink our teeth into?

so what other juicy rumor should we start?

They have held off announcing a tour for 2010 until it could be confirmed that Steve Perry was infact reuniting with Journey.

Now that's a rumor I would pay big dollars to see come to light!!


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And Perry indicated that 2010 was too soon, so Journey has extended the haitus until 2011, at which time they will release a new album......WITH STEVE PERRY

the last words of Steve Perry on the matter? We'll See


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Actually, there are a few small things, which by themselves cause no alarm. It's when you start looking at them combined, you go oh shit!

Neal blogs that there will be no tour in 2010....
Band ends touring season Sept......
Pineda goes back to Philippines and is gonna spend 2010 there......
The Evolution band breaks up.......

Those cocksuckers hired Hugo!!!

steveo777 wrote:

Actually, there are a few small things, which by themselves cause no alarm. It's when you start looking at them combined, you go oh shit!

Neal blogs that there will be no tour in 2010....
Band ends touring season Sept......
Pineda goes back to Philippines and is gonna spend 2010 there......
The Evolution band breaks up.......

Those cocksuckers hired Hugo!!!

Neal is a very happy, happy man these days. Platinum album, Manila DVD most likely going to be Platinum. Concerts like this with great audiences. Of course, I was right there on the main floor on Neal's side.

All is good.

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steveo777 wrote:

Actually, there are a few small things, which by themselves cause no alarm. It's when you start looking at them combined, you go oh shit!

Neal blogs that there will be no tour in 2010....
Band ends touring season Sept......
Pineda goes back to Philippines and is gonna spend 2010 there......
The Evolution band breaks up.......

Those cocksuckers hired Hugo!!!

I don't think he's last two nights. His voice is waaaaay too thin. But the look is right.


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journeyrock wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Actually, there are a few small things, which by themselves cause no alarm. It's when you start looking at them combined, you go oh shit!

Neal blogs that there will be no tour in 2010....
Band ends touring season Sept......
Pineda goes back to Philippines and is gonna spend 2010 there......
The Evolution band breaks up.......

Those cocksuckers hired Hugo!!!

I don't think he's last two nights. His voice is waaaaay too thin. But the look is right.

The look is lame as fuck, so stupid