Marie Osmonds son takes own life

[Ehwmatt]

you choose to sit around feeling sorry for yourself.

Oh, really??

In my case....why the hell should a CHILD be depressed???

Because, in the end, that's really what these people are doing.
Everyone goes through shit in their lives, but the unselfish people show resilience and bounce back.

Thank GOD I found out it was SAD....Seasonal Affective Disorder....which occurs in the Wintertime, when sunlight is severely diminished here in New England.

NOW that I KNOW what the hell is going on, I can HANDLE IT AS AN ADULT!

Yesterday's Seasonal Affective Disorder is today's Vitamin D deficiency and god knows what it will be tomorrow. We're so overdiagnosed and overmedicated in this country it's a joke

[JH'sTXfan]

The brain is the most delicate and intricate organ of the body. If it is broken, you can't just WILL it to be repaired. There are organic and chemical reasons for mental illness, this is not about choosing to be in this condition. People this ignorant make me want to

[Angel]

And your credentials are....???????

Dealing with it and seeing it are two different things. From your constant puffery about your job description and the duties you have, it's evident you're as much an expert in the field of psychology as a prison guard is in the field of criminal law.

I don't really care what you think about my expertise.

But you did forget to answer my question.

[TRAGChick]

you choose to sit around feeling sorry for yourself.

Oh, really??

In my case....why the hell should a CHILD be depressed???

Because, in the end, that's really what these people are doing.
Everyone goes through shit in their lives, but the unselfish people show resilience and bounce back.

Thank GOD I found out it was SAD....Seasonal Affective Disorder....which occurs in the Wintertime, when sunlight is severely diminished here in New England.

NOW that I KNOW what the hell is going on, I can HANDLE IT AS AN ADULT!

Yesterday's Seasonal Affective Disorder is today's Vitamin D deficiency and god knows what it will be tomorrow. We're so overdiagnosed and overmedicated in this country it's a joke

Well; yeah...the Sun does provide Vitamin D.

So, I guess NOW, 10 years or so later, it "goes by a different name".

[Angel]

We're so overdiagnosed and overmedicated in this country it's a joke

I agree with you.

I even agree that depression is overdiagnosed. In fact, I think that's part of the problem. There are so many people that claim to be depressed that it minimizes the fact that it is a real disease. And it IS a real disease.

[portland]

We're so overdiagnosed and overmedicated in this country it's a joke

I agree with you.

I even agree that depression is overdiagnosed. In fact, I think that's part of the problem. There are so many people that claim to be depressed that it minimizes the fact that it is a real disease. And it IS a real disease.

For anyone who has had to watch someone they love struggle with this illness knows it is very real.

[JasonD]

My heart goes out to the Osmonds. This is sad. And the fact that he was so young & from an affluent family where he could probably have anything he wanted, but was unable to see how fortunate he was.... well, that alone should prove that depression is a medical condition that isn't faked for histrionics.

As for some of the comments in this thread: How can anybody SERIOUSLY believe that someone commits suicide for attention? What attention are they going to "enjoy" from the act of suicide? They'll be dead by the time anybody finds them, so what have they gained? To imply that committing suicide is somehow a narcissistic act, is purely evil by all accounts.

[Saint John]

you choose to sit around feeling sorry for yourself.

Oh, really??

In my case....why the hell should a CHILD be depressed???

You missed the Raised On Radio tour, didn't you?

Thank GOD I found out it was SAD....Seasonal Affective Disorder....which occurs in the Wintertime, when sunlight is severely diminished here in New England.

NOW that I KNOW what the hell is going on, I can HANDLE IT AS AN ADULT!

I'd say just about everyone that has to deal with a low sunlight, snowy, cold and shitty winter gets that. What's your point ... that if we don't get diagnosed it's ok to bungee jump from tall buildings with rubber bands?

[Ehwmatt]

We're so overdiagnosed and overmedicated in this country it's a joke

I agree with you.

I even agree that depression is overdiagnosed. In fact, I think that's part of the problem. There are so many people that claim to be depressed that it minimizes the fact that it is a real disease. And it IS a real disease.

My biggest issue is seeing people become dependent on a substance and then being allowed to be "depressed" and get all this sympathy when they kill themselves. The thing I've noticed is most suicides I hear about are totally irrational and usually involve a history with substance abuse. Like I said, it's a chicken-egg thing. So many people are prepared to sanction debilitating self-destructive behaviors by writing it off as "oh, she was depressed and had so many demons blah fuckin blah" gimme a break, PLEASE. They started drinking or abusing drugs FIRST, then decided they were depressed because they ruined their lives and didn't have the strength to pick up the pieces again.

Hell, my aunt's been anorexic for 22 years now and is supposedly clinically depressed and I'd be willing to bet my life she won't ever come close to killing herself or even entertaining the notion. She knows she's got a great husband and two great children to live for even though she's struggled mightily with her anorexia.

We just need to stop condoning people descending into the abyss of self-destruction by creating the depression out as an excuse for getting into drugs, ruining your finances before your life even gets started, getting into booze, etc etc. It's pathetic.

[Ehwmatt]

My heart goes out to the Osmonds. This is sad. And the fact that he was so young & from an affluent family where he could probably have anything he wanted, but was unable to see how fortunate he was.... well, that alone should prove that depression is a medical condition that isn't faked for histrionics.

As for some of the comments in this thread: How can anybody SERIOUSLY believe that someone commits suicide for attention? What attention are they going to "enjoy" from the act of suicide? They'll be dead by the time anybody finds them, so what have they gained? To imply that committing suicide is somehow a narcissistic act, is purely evil by all accounts.

Don't you have a hairy asshole salad you should be tossing?

[Saint John]

How can anybody SERIOUSLY believe that someone commits suicide for attention? What attention are they going to "enjoy" from the act of suicide?.

Knowing that they're leaving behind a bunch of mourning, torn and devastated people must give them a certain sense of peace as they load the gun or take that last elevator ride to the top floor.

To imply that committing suicide is somehow a narcissistic act, is purely evil by all accounts.

But leaving behind devastated people is somehow a noble act of humility? You've been sucking too many dicks, dude.

[ChildInTime]

I'm probably going to get kicked in the face for saying this, but goddamnit I'm angry. So here goes.

Holy fuck, are some people really ignorant enough to belittle and sneer at people who are depressed or who have committed suicide? Do you lack any sort of empathy whatsoever? Depression, as others have said, is NOT something you can just 'snap out of'. It is a serious problem. People who commit suicide are NOT selfish people. They are people who are in an unhealthy mental state that makes them feel worthless and hopeless. To commit suicide because of that mental state is not selfish behavior, it is ill behavior. If they were completely sane, they would REALIZE committing suicide could be construed as "selfish" and not do it. Mentally unstable people are not rational people. They don't think about things like that; they act on impulse.

I know I'm probably the youngest person on this board, so I probably shouldn't say this, but if you think committing suicide is an act of selfishness and if you think depression is a made up illness or that people who have it are selfish, then you are either seriously misinformed or have quite a bit of growing up to do.

(PS: I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but depression and mental illness is prevalent in my family and I have been directly affected by it, so I'm sort of shocked and angry that people could dismiss it as a selfish farce.)

[JasonD]

My heart goes out to the Osmonds. This is sad. And the fact that he was so young & from an affluent family where he could probably have anything he wanted, but was unable to see how fortunate he was.... well, that alone should prove that depression is a medical condition that isn't faked for histrionics.

As for some of the comments in this thread: How can anybody SERIOUSLY believe that someone commits suicide for attention? What attention are they going to "enjoy" from the act of suicide? They'll be dead by the time anybody finds them, so what have they gained? To imply that committing suicide is somehow a narcissistic act, is purely evil by all accounts.

Don't you have a hairy asshole salad you should be tossing?

I have the flu this weekend so I've been tossing my cookies instead.

[JH'sTXfan]

My biggest issue is seeing people become dependent on a substance and then being allowed to be "depressed" and get all this sympathy when they kill themselves. The thing I've noticed is most suicides I hear about are totally irrational and usually involve a history with substance abuse. Like I said, it's a chicken-egg thing. So many people are prepared to sanction debilitating self-destructive behaviors by writing it off as "oh, she was depressed and had so many demons blah fuckin blah" gimme a break, PLEASE. They started drinking or abusing drugs FIRST, then decided they were depressed because they ruined their lives and didn't have the strength to pick up the pieces again.

Hell, my aunt's been anorexic for 22 years now and is supposedly clinically depressed and I'd be willing to bet my life she won't ever come close to killing herself or even entertaining the notion. She knows she's got a great husband and two great children to live for even though she's struggled mightily with her anorexia.

We just need to stop condoning people descending into the abyss of self-destruction by creating the depression out as an excuse for getting into drugs, ruining your finances before your life even gets started, getting into booze, etc etc. It's pathetic.

Struggled with Anorexia? You mean she can't pick up fork, bend elbow, open mouth and insert food? Sounds simple to me.
Anorexia is another destructive mental illness. In your way of thinking, shouldn't this also be the epitome of selfishness? Costing her family stress and money having to take care of her problem all of 22 years?

[Ehwmatt]

My heart goes out to the Osmonds. This is sad. And the fact that he was so young & from an affluent family where he could probably have anything he wanted, but was unable to see how fortunate he was.... well, that alone should prove that depression is a medical condition that isn't faked for histrionics.

As for some of the comments in this thread: How can anybody SERIOUSLY believe that someone commits suicide for attention? What attention are they going to "enjoy" from the act of suicide? They'll be dead by the time anybody finds them, so what have they gained? To imply that committing suicide is somehow a narcissistic act, is purely evil by all accounts.

Don't you have a hairy asshole salad you should be tossing?

I have the flu this weekend so I've been tossing my cookies instead.

What's for dessert?

[Voyager]

I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but depression and mental illness is prevalent in my family and I have been directly affected by it, so I'm sort of shocked and angry that people could dismiss it as a selfish farce.

Sometimes you gotta consider the source of such arguments.

[steveo777]

Many people also don't realize that when one goes to a psychiatrist they are being treated by a physician. Yep, there is a difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist is an MD first. Psychiatry is their specialty. Most psycholigists I have met, OTOH, are nut cases.

[JasonD]

My heart goes out to the Osmonds. This is sad. And the fact that he was so young & from an affluent family where he could probably have anything he wanted, but was unable to see how fortunate he was.... well, that alone should prove that depression is a medical condition that isn't faked for histrionics.

As for some of the comments in this thread: How can anybody SERIOUSLY believe that someone commits suicide for attention? What attention are they going to "enjoy" from the act of suicide? They'll be dead by the time anybody finds them, so what have they gained? To imply that committing suicide is somehow a narcissistic act, is purely evil by all accounts.

Don't you have a hairy asshole salad you should be tossing?

I have the flu this weekend so I've been tossing my cookies instead.

What's for dessert?

Parfait.

[JH'sTXfan]

I'm probably going to get kicked in the face for saying this, but goddamnit I'm angry. So here goes.

Holy fuck, are some people really ignorant enough to belittle and sneer at people who are depressed or who have committed suicide? Do you lack any sort of empathy whatsoever? Depression, as others have said, is NOT something you can just 'snap out of'. It is a serious problem. People who commit suicide are NOT selfish people. They are people who are in an unhealthy mental state that makes them feel worthless and hopeless. To commit suicide because of that mental state is not selfish behavior, it is ill behavior. If they were completely sane, they would REALIZE committing suicide could be construed as "selfish" and not do it. Mentally unstable people are not rational people. They don't think about things like that; they act on impulse.

I know I'm probably the youngest person on this board, so I probably shouldn't say this, but if you think committing suicide is an act of selfishness and if you think depression is a made up illness or that people who have it are selfish, then you are either seriously misinformed or have quite a bit of growing up to do.

(PS: I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but depression and mental illness is prevalent in my family and I have been directly affected by it, so I'm sort of shocked and angry that people could dismiss it as a selfish farce.)

Well said

[JH'sTXfan]

I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but depression and mental illness is prevalent in my family and I have been directly affected by it, so I'm sort of shocked and angry that people could dismiss it as a selfish farce.

Sometimes you gotta consider the source of such arguments.

Good point!

[MBPL]

Because it's the cool thing to do

Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society.

Bingo! These fuckers need to be laughed at and made fun of, not felt sorry for. Being a selfish, self-centered pussy should never be condoned. Regardless of how sad I got I could never do this to my family.

Good lord - clinical depression is not just about being 'sad'. Unless you've ever been close to anyone who suffers from it, you have no idea. What a horrible thing to say.

+1.

As someone who has battled it for most of my life, and had reactions from members of my own family who told me to "snap out of it", it is VERY real.

Like I really WANTED to be in that state!

Just heard about this story. Thoughts go to Ms. Osmond, a mother who lost her child. Ginger, my thoughts go to your brother. "Listen" as best you can do, my dear. Of course I can't say what works best, just offering something.

Nora: Thank you for being brave. Me too.

Everyone else, please know you are not alone.

I've got friends who claim they "try to remain positive." Or, "I just won't let things get me down." Hey, I commend you that you have comping skills not to give a fuck. The thing is, when someone says they suffer from it, whether it is Mental, Medical or not, it took a lot for them to express an illness most people refuse to recognize. Not to scold anyone here, but don't judge as you don't want to be judged is the way I feel.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend, all. MBPL

[Luvsaugeri]

My aunt killed herself and left five kids behind. Three of them came home from school and found her hanging in the basement.

This is selfishness at its finest. How could you do that to your fucking children?!?!?! Attention and pity. That's just fucking gruesome, man.

Dan you and Matt are just way out of line here. And you are speaking with simply no education behind it.

Clinical depression is very real. I will agree with you, there are too many people that use the label 'depressed' and they shouldn't. They are attentions seekers or perhaps drug seekers.

But truly clinically depressed people are to be pitied. Often times there is a chemical imbalance in their brains that alters the way they see things.

Selfishness has nothing to do with it.

[portland]

My biggest issue is seeing people become dependent on a substance and then being allowed to be "depressed" and get all this sympathy when they kill themselves. The thing I've noticed is most suicides I hear about are totally irrational and usually involve a history with substance abuse. Like I said, it's a chicken-egg thing. So many people are prepared to sanction debilitating self-destructive behaviors by writing it off as "oh, she was depressed and had so many demons blah fuckin blah" gimme a break, PLEASE. They started drinking or abusing drugs FIRST, then decided they were depressed because they ruined their lives and didn't have the strength to pick up the pieces again.

Hell, my aunt's been anorexic for 22 years now and is supposedly clinically depressed and I'd be willing to bet my life she won't ever come close to killing herself or even entertaining the notion. She knows she's got a great husband and two great children to live for even though she's struggled mightily with her anorexia.

We just need to stop condoning people descending into the abyss of self-destruction by creating the depression out as an excuse for getting into drugs, ruining your finances before your life even gets started, getting into booze, etc etc. It's pathetic.

Struggled with Anorexia? You mean she can't pick up fork, bend elbow, open mouth and insert food? Sounds simple to me.
Anorexia is another destructive mental illness. In your way of thinking, shouldn't this also be the epitome of selfishness? Costing her family stress and money having to take care of her problem all of 22 years?

Anorexia is a horrible disease.

I just don't get what some here are saying.

[Michigan Girl]

It's just like when a fat person chooses to eat that last fried and glazed cupcake,

Don't listen to them ...you should be a baker so we don't run out of ^^^^^^



This is devastating news for his family and loved ones ...thoughts and prayers to all!!

[Ehwmatt]

My biggest issue is seeing people become dependent on a substance and then being allowed to be "depressed" and get all this sympathy when they kill themselves. The thing I've noticed is most suicides I hear about are totally irrational and usually involve a history with substance abuse. Like I said, it's a chicken-egg thing. So many people are prepared to sanction debilitating self-destructive behaviors by writing it off as "oh, she was depressed and had so many demons blah fuckin blah" gimme a break, PLEASE. They started drinking or abusing drugs FIRST, then decided they were depressed because they ruined their lives and didn't have the strength to pick up the pieces again.

Hell, my aunt's been anorexic for 22 years now and is supposedly clinically depressed and I'd be willing to bet my life she won't ever come close to killing herself or even entertaining the notion. She knows she's got a great husband and two great children to live for even though she's struggled mightily with her anorexia.

We just need to stop condoning people descending into the abyss of self-destruction by creating the depression out as an excuse for getting into drugs, ruining your finances before your life even gets started, getting into booze, etc etc. It's pathetic.

Struggled with Anorexia? You mean she can't pick up fork, bend elbow, open mouth and insert food? Sounds simple to me.
Anorexia is another destructive mental illness. In your way of thinking, shouldn't this also be the epitome of selfishness? Costing her family stress and money having to take care of her problem all of 22 years?

Yeah, it is selfish for causing them stress. She's been treated a few times, but she's certainly not racking up fees and fees worth of medical bills on it. But hey, it's her prerogative. In the mean time, she's a good mother, she works, and she doesn't take her issues out on other people through moods and all that.

There's a key distinction between having a problem that affects your health and having a problem that you let run ramshod not over only your own life, but over all of your loved ones and work obligations etc. and let it justify you in killing yourself. Sorry you missed that part though. Better luck next time

[Angel]

Don't you have a hairy asshole salad you should be tossing?

You've been sucking too many dicks, dude.

You two are a couple of assholes. These remarks are totally uncalled for.

I didn't even think you two would stoop this low.

[Michigan Girl]

My biggest issue is seeing people become dependent on a substance and then being allowed to be "depressed" and get all this sympathy when they kill themselves. The thing I've noticed is most suicides I hear about are totally irrational and usually involve a history with substance abuse. Like I said, it's a chicken-egg thing. So many people are prepared to sanction debilitating self-destructive behaviors by writing it off as "oh, she was depressed and had so many demons blah fuckin blah" gimme a break, PLEASE. They started drinking or abusing drugs FIRST, then decided they were depressed because they ruined their lives and didn't have the strength to pick up the pieces again.

Hell, my aunt's been anorexic for 22 years now and is supposedly clinically depressed and I'd be willing to bet my life she won't ever come close to killing herself or even entertaining the notion. She knows she's got a great husband and two great children to live for even though she's struggled mightily with her anorexia.

We just need to stop condoning people descending into the abyss of self-destruction by creating the depression out as an excuse for getting into drugs, ruining your finances before your life even gets started, getting into booze, etc etc. It's pathetic.

Struggled with Anorexia? You mean she can't pick up fork, bend elbow, open mouth and insert food? Sounds simple to me.
Anorexia is another destructive mental illness. In your way of thinking, shouldn't this also be the epitome of selfishness? Costing her family stress and money having to take care of her problem all of 22 years?

YEEEOUCH... tough love right there!!! Good points, Marie!!!

[Ehwmatt]

Don't you have a hairy asshole salad you should be tossing?

You've been sucking too many dicks, dude.

You two are a couple of assholes. These remarks are totally uncalled for.

I didn't even think you two would stoop this low.

*sigh* Please go try and break more marriages up via Internet forums, it'll help calm you.

[JH'sTXfan]

Anorexia is a horrible disease.

I just don't get what some here are saying.

Sorry Portland. I was being sarcastic in response to his stance on mental illness being selfish. See first page of thread.
Nothing against you Matt, I just think you judge harshly and without understanding.

[Angel]

Yeah, it is selfish for causing them stress. She's been treated a few times, but she's certainly not racking up fees and fees worth of medical bills on it. But hey, it's her prerogative. In the mean time, she's a good mother, she works, and she doesn't take her issues out on other people through moods and all that.

There's a key distinction between having a problem that affects your health and having a problem that you let run ramshod not over only your own life, but over all of your loved ones and work obligations etc. and let it justify you in killing yourself. Sorry you missed that part though. Better luck next time

Matt, you really need to do some research on depression. You have no idea what depression is. Many people with clinical depression are high functioning, productive members of society. You have NO idea what you are talking about and you just make yourself look more stupid with every post. I'd love to be able to help you out, but we all know, you can't cure stupid.