Marie Osmonds son takes own life

[Angel]

No, I think it merely makes the act easier to justify doing in the eyes of someone who has a lower than average resiliency/constitution who may be having hard times but is NOT truly depressed.

Seriously?? I mean really, are you even reading what you are saying? Are you REALLY this stupid or are you just faking it to get attention?

[JasonD]

Yep, the world is full of drama queens & it's reasonable to assume that someone might actually go to the bizarre length of pretending to be depressed just to get attention, much in the same way a child might fake a stomach ache in order to get to stay home from school. Still, anybody who is actually FAKING depression just for attention is NOT going to fake it to the point of committing suicide..... "Hey, I know!!! I'll kill myself !!!! That'll convince 'em."

[parfait]

Therein lies my problem with it! For every 1 legitimately depressed person that may be so disturbed as to do this (I really believe you only get to this point of taking your life when the depression is concurrent with something else - schizo/bipolar etc), there are undoubtedly 10 people who either are highly self-destructive or kill themselves just because they think it's what they have. I'm not an MD, but I do know that one of the big problems they have with defining mental illnesses is a lot of times they can't tell if their criteria for the illness actually result in people "making" themselves have it. I have no doubt in my mind that's what goes on with a lot of these so-called depression suicide cases.

OK, let me make sure I understand what you are saying. You say that you believe clinical depression is a legitimate diagnosis and that some people may commit suicide because of the depression, but then you think other people think they are depressed but really aren't, but since some people with depression commit suicide those people with self diagnosed depression then think they are supposed to commit suicide because that's what you do when you are depressed?????

You really are a piece of work.

No, I think it merely makes the act easier to justify doing in the eyes of someone who has a lower than average resiliency/constitution who may be having hard times but is NOT truly depressed.

That's a whole other thing, man! Around 55 % who commit suicide got some sort of unipolar disorder; which means that almost 1/2 who commits suicide got no proven disorder at all. So sure, say all you want about the 1/2 who commits suicide for some other unknown reason, but shut your mouth about the other 1/2. Even a fucking jedi master wouldn't be able to force himself out of a god damn clinical depression.

I get where you're coming from, but it's wrong man. You're wrong, and seriously; you can't be that ignorant.

Steveo: Shut it, shitstain. Get your cheetos sized dick outta your hand, and stop stalking my posts. You're as funny as Ellen deGeneres dressed in a gimp suit, and you contribute nothing at all.

[Luvsaugeri]

I cut Matt some slack. He is young and doesn't have life experiences yet. We were all young, cocky and thought we knew it all at that age. Although I NEVER remember being that judgemental on so many issues.

As far as Dan.....I don't know what to say about him. I'd like to think he just likes to be shocking and stir the pot. And that he really isn't that unknowledgeable.

I fail to see how my having an opinion of suicide as a repugnant, revolting act under almost all circumstances serves as "judgmental?" This is a sick fucking world we live in if that's judgmental. At any rate, luckily I'm allowed to be as judgmental or non-judgmental as I want. It has nothing to do with being young or cocky. It has to do with having a world view that I believe in. I believe that the more we condone or rationalize acts that are totally irrational, regardless of whatever medical evidence or diagnoses there are out there that provide causal reasons for the act, the worse off we'll be. I'm not going to be a part of that.

No, what I feel is judgemental is to classify the majority of people with depression as people who are selfish, attention seekers, immature or pill poppers.

[Behshad]

It's just funny to see how Dan&Matt get you all riled up, while laughing their asses off behind the scenes.
Every little bait they throw out there gets one of you on the hook and they reel it in while throwing the next bait.

Totally entertaining. . Just too bad some of you take this 2man show too seriously. They're the next Siegfried & Roy !!!

[Luvsaugeri]

It's just funny to see how Dan&Matt get you all riled up, while laughing their asses off behind the scenes.
Every little bait they throw out there gets on of you on the hook and they real it in while throwing the next bait.

Totally entertaining. . Just too bad some of you take this 2man show too seriously. They're the next Siegfried & Roy !!!

I'm hoping that's what it is. Because I really don't want to believe they could be that ignorant callous.

[portland]

It's just funny to see how Dan&Matt get you all riled up, while laughing their asses off behind the scenes.
Every little bait they throw out there gets on of you on the hook and they real it in while throwing the next bait.

Totally entertaining. . Just too bad some of you take this 2man show too seriously. They're the next Siegfried & Roy !!!

I'm hoping that's what it is. Because I really don't want to believe they could be that ignorant callous.

Me too.

[ChildInTime]

All I want to say at this point is HOLY. SHIT.

But I'll say it again, in capslock this time so you'll hear me: PEOPLE WHO KILL THEMSELVES ARE NEVER IN THEIR RIGHT STATE OF MIND, and ALWAYS have depression or some sort of mental disorder that causes them deep distress. And to mark those people as 'attention seekers' or anything otherwise is beyond ridiculous.

The ignorance I'm witnessing here is staggering.

*edit* and if Matt and dan are just trolling as some are suggesting, it's still an idiotic thing to do, and they should be more mature than that tbh.

[Behshad]

It's just funny to see how Dan&Matt get you all riled up, while laughing their asses off behind the scenes.
Every little bait they throw out there gets on of you on the hook and they real it in while throwing the next bait.

Totally entertaining. . Just too bad some of you take this 2man show too seriously. They're the next Siegfried & Roy !!!

I'm hoping that's what it is. Because I really don't want to believe they could be that ignorant callous.

Now now. I never said they're not ignorant. Just that this is a great show and they're doing a good job getting people all flustered.

[JasonD]

It's just funny to see how Dan&Matt get you all riled up, while laughing their asses off behind the scenes.
Every little bait they throw out there gets one of you on the hook and they reel it in while throwing the next bait.

Totally entertaining. . Just too bad some of you take this 2man show too seriously. They're the next Siegfried & Roy !!!

I was wondering that myself.

[JH'sTXfan]

It's just funny to see how Dan&Matt get you all riled up, while laughing their asses off behind the scenes.
Every little bait they throw out there gets on of you on the hook and they real it in while throwing the next bait.

Totally entertaining. . Just too bad some of you take this 2man show too seriously. They're the next Siegfried & Roy !!!

I'm hoping that's what it is. Because I really don't want to believe they could be that ignorant callous.

Now now. I never said they're not ignorant. Just that this is a great show and they're doing a good job getting people all flustered.

Nothing funny about it

[Babyblue]

I'm probably going to get kicked in the face for saying this, but goddamnit I'm angry. So here goes.

Holy fuck, are some people really ignorant enough to belittle and sneer at people who are depressed or who have committed suicide? Do you lack any sort of empathy whatsoever? Depression, as others have said, is NOT something you can just 'snap out of'. It is a serious problem. People who commit suicide are NOT selfish people. They are people who are in an unhealthy mental state that makes them feel worthless and hopeless. To commit suicide because of that mental state is not selfish behavior, it is ill behavior. If they were completely sane, they would REALIZE committing suicide could be construed as "selfish" and not do it. Mentally unstable people are not rational people. They don't think about things like that; they act on impulse.

I know I'm probably the youngest person on this board, so I probably shouldn't say this, but if you think committing suicide is an act of selfishness and if you think depression is a made up illness or that people who have it are selfish, then you are either seriously misinformed or have quite a bit of growing up to do.

(PS: I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but depression and mental illness is prevalent in my family and I have been directly affected by it, so I'm sort of shocked and angry that people could dismiss it as a selfish farce.)

Well said

I could not agree more.I hope to god the non believers never have to go thru this.I don't think you would be singing the same song then.

[Behshad]

It's just funny to see how Dan&Matt get you all riled up, while laughing their asses off behind the scenes.
Every little bait they throw out there gets on of you on the hook and they real it in while throwing the next bait.

Totally entertaining. . Just too bad some of you take this 2man show too seriously. They're the next Siegfried & Roy !!!

I'm hoping that's what it is. Because I really don't want to believe they could be that ignorant callous.

Now now. I never said they're not ignorant. Just that this is a great show and they're doing a good job getting people all flustered.

Nothing funny about it

Another day at MR. No one is forcing you to read what they're saying. I personally think it's funny that people fall for it.
If you prefer to chose to get upset about it, while not funny to you , it's still funny to me that you'd make such choice

[JH'sTXfan]

Another day at MR. No one is forcing you to read what they're saying. I personally think it's funny that people fall for it.
If you prefer to chose to get upset about it, while not funny to you , it's still funny to me that you'd make such choice

*sigh* I'm not surprised

[Jana]

Yeah, it is selfish for causing them stress. She's been treated a few times, but she's certainly not racking up fees and fees worth of medical bills on it. But hey, it's her prerogative. In the mean time, she's a good mother, she works, and she doesn't take her issues out on other people through moods and all that.

There's a key distinction between having a problem that affects your health and having a problem that you let run ramshod not over only your own life, but over all of your loved ones and work obligations etc. and let it justify you in killing yourself. Sorry you missed that part though. Better luck next time

Matt, you really need to do some research on depression. You have no idea what depression is. Many people with clinical depression are high functioning, productive members of society. You have NO idea what you are talking about and you just make yourself look more stupid with every post. I'd love to be able to help you out, but we all know, you can't cure stupid.

You're all missing the point: The more we allow an illness like depression to justify or mitigate the bullshit act of suicide, the more it's going to happen. If someone wants to be clinically depressed and remain highly functioning members of society, then they are entitled to be diagnosed with whatever they want. It's using the illness to mitigate suicide, a bullshit act, which I have a huge problem with and think is a bullshit cop-out for otherwise just less than average human resiliency in a particular person.

I have not once in this thread said that there is no such thing as clinical depression. On the other hand, I've said many times that we have a severe problem with overdiagnosing, overmedicating, and oversympathizing with BULLSHIT in this society. It needs to stop. The first line of defense is to stop the sycophantic pandering to every asshole who can't see one week ahead of them and wants to claim an affliction with a disease that, in its true form, is at best relatively rare.

No. The point is this was a boy with severe problems and died a violent death at his own hands due to severe depression and you showed not one ounce of compassion, but instead was condescending. You're so black and white in being judgmental, that I hope your wife and children are perfect and never have issues like this. And don't say it won't happen, because you can't predict life down the line. And sometimes all the love in the world can't help some people, much less being judgmental.

[Behshad]

Another day at MR. No one is forcing you to read what they're saying. I personally think it's funny that people fall for it.
If you prefer to chose to get upset about it, while not funny to you , it's still funny to me that you'd make such choice

*sigh* I'm not surprised

it's not what they're saying that's funny. It's how you take that bait and get all red in the face that's funny.

*sigh*. This is like having a conversation with a toaster!!!

[Voyager]

What should we call the people who committed suicide by jumping out of the World Trade Centers on 9/11?

Depressed? Selfish? Afraid of a little fire?


Just asking.

That's actually a good question to make a point with. Those people in the WTC were facing exactly what all of the other suicide victims before them were facing in their minds: "There is no other perceivable way out if this painful situation, and to avoid further pain and torture I have to end it all." The keyword here is "perceivable". As humans, perception equals reality. Your current perception may be that you would never take your own life, and to do so would be selfish. But you never know how you will react until you are caught within that burning tower with no *perceivable* way out.

[Behshad]

What should we call the people who committed suicide by jumping out of the World Trade Centers on 9/11?

Depressed? Selfish? Afraid of a little fire?


Just asking.

That's actually a good question to make a point with. Those people in the WTC were facing exactly what all of the other suicide victims before them were facing in their minds: There is no other perceivable way out if this painful situation, and to avoid further pain and torture I have to end it all. The keyword here is "perceivable". As humans, perception equals reality. Your current perception may be that you would never take your own life, and to do so would be selfish. But you never know how you will react until you are caught within that burning tower with no *perceivable* way out.

couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo !

[Jana]

All I want to say at this point is HOLY. SHIT.

But I'll say it again, in capslock this time so you'll hear me: PEOPLE WHO KILL THEMSELVES ARE NEVER IN THEIR RIGHT STATE OF MIND, and ALWAYS have depression or some sort of mental disorder that causes them deep distress. And to mark those people as 'attention seekers' or anything otherwise is beyond ridiculous.

The ignorance I'm witnessing here is staggering.

*edit* and if Matt and dan are just trolling as some are suggesting, it's still an idiotic thing to do, and they should be more mature than that tbh.

great post.

[Behshad]

Another day at MR. No one is forcing you to read what they're saying. I personally think it's funny that people fall for it.
If you prefer to chose to get upset about it, while not funny to you , it's still funny to me that you'd make such choice

*sigh* I'm not surprised

it's not what they're saying that's funny. It's how you take that bait and get all red in the face that's funny.

*sigh*. This is like having a conversation with a toaster!!!

Kinda like you did with me on the Earthquake Thread this morning huh?

What do you mean "kinda"

[steveo777]

Damn, I guess after reading this thread, I won't go into what I had been disabled by for a couple years. There were days where if I could just get out of bed it was a good day. Ironically, a guy I knew who was a mr. tough guy denouncing my disability as lunacy found himself mentally ill some years later and took his own life. Never say never to what you don't understand.

[JasonD]

It's just funny to see how Dan&Matt get you all riled up, while laughing their asses off behind the scenes.
Every little bait they throw out there gets on of you on the hook and they real it in while throwing the next bait.

Totally entertaining. . Just too bad some of you take this 2man show too seriously. They're the next Siegfried & Roy !!!

I'm hoping that's what it is. Because I really don't want to believe they could be that ignorant callous.

Now now. I never said they're not ignorant. Just that this is a great show and they're doing a good job getting people all flustered.

Nothing funny about it

Another day at MR. No one is forcing you to read what they're saying. I personally think it's funny that people fall for it.
If you prefer to chose to get upset about it, while not funny to you , it's still funny to me that you'd make such choice

Hmmmm....... I do believe I've seen this movie before. I think it's called "Damage Control."

[Voyager]

The thing that hurts the most with suicide is that it leaves people who were close to the victim with added guilt in addition to grief. Marie Osmond will probably forever feel guilty over what she could have done to help her son.

[portland]

Another day at MR. No one is forcing you to read what they're saying. I personally think it's funny that people fall for it.
If you prefer to chose to get upset about it, while not funny to you , it's still funny to me that you'd make such choice

*sigh* I'm not surprised

it's not what they're saying that's funny. It's how you take that bait and get all red in the face that's funny.

*sigh*. This is like having a conversation with a toaster!!!

Hey I get the bait and watch them spin....classic MR.

but some here have had to actually deal with this. So the fact that there was a bait and watch them spin is not that funny.


So talk to the toaster and the blender (yes that would be me) all you want.

[Saint John]

How "positive" would YOU feel if you were PULLED OVER IN THE DEAD OF WINTER - JANUARY- WITH A B.A.C. of .219??

I was. November of 2006 ... .191. Felt great and was driving fine. The cop even admitted he pulled me over for being over the solid white line by a foot at the red light only because it was 1am. I took my medicine and actually shook his hand. Then I beta the case, but it took a good lawyer and about $2,500 in total.

Is THAT someone acting IN THEIR RIGHT FUCKING MIND????

Driven with an equivalent B.A.C. to yours at least 100 times in my life. I only stopped because the fine is simply not worth it.

I could've KILLED MYSELF AND MY PASSENGER in the car WITH ME!!!

I'm assuming you were driving really fast and/or recklessly. Sounds more like you can't handle your booze than you didn't get enough sunlight. Me? I never drove anything but cautiously, and I drove perhaps even better because I knew getting pulled over wouldn't be good. No accidents ever. Retired with a perfect record as far as dings and dents go.

[fredinator]

Dan, Matt and Behshad--MR's own Jersey Shore kids.

[bluejeangirl76]

Driven with an equivalent B.A.C. to yours at least 100 times in my life. I only stopped because the fine is simply not worth it.

That's not exactly something to be proud of.
You only stopped because it costs money if you get caught? Wow.

[Saint John]

Dan, Matt and Behshad--MR's own Jersey Shore kids.

Who the fuck are they?

[fredinator]

Google Jersey Shore obnoxious, gross, immature...

[Ligzig]

As someone who is still struggling with depression, I thought I'd add some input here.

To the guy who says committing suicide is only "for attention" - I've been in this state of mind many times, and it is the darkest, loneliest feeling you will ever feel. There really is nothing you can do...no amount of love and support from your family or friends can change the way you feel at those times. It's not a wound, you can't just bandage it up. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain....and sometimes, people feel the only way out is suicide. How do you solve any other problem? your brain. What happens when your brain is fucked? you feel that way too.

It was very severe for me for a few months. I dealt with it by taking sleeping pills and going to sleep....I didn't have any insurance and couldn't really get any help elsewhere. All they could do was recommend places, but I ended up just having some mobile crisis member come see me a few times. I went looking for help myself...nobody had to push me, I wasn't doing it for attention. I just didn't want to deal with it and have it ruin my life. I am a lucky one. I am only 20, and I fully realize at this moment, life is worth living. I am still waiting to get some type of help...but for now, I've been able to control it.

Anyway..before I go on a rant, I think there are people out there who aren't as lucky, and don't know/want/care how to get help for themselves.