President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[7 Wishes]

Way to quote the most ultra-conservative publication in the United Kingdom, LiePaster.

And yes - this disaster does fall right onto the shoulders of Bush and Cheney - the very Big Oil deregulation they fought so hard for was directly responsible for this tragedy.

That being said, it does in no way excuse this Administration's poor handling of the crisis - their hands may have been tied legally, but there were literally a dozen things that could have been done to potentially diminish the impact of the spill. Obama has handled this like a buffoon.

[donnaplease]

[RedWingFan]

Way to quote the most ultra-conservative publication in the United Kingdom, LiePaster.

I see you still have your head up your own ass! You suggesting anyone else is a liar is parts hilarious, sad and pathetic!

[hoagiepete]

This is a non-story for me. I assume this has been going on for decades. They are guilty as hell, but so been has most administrations.

[donnaplease]

This is a non-story for me. I assume this has been going on for decades. They are guilty as hell, but so been has most administrations.

I think it's relevant because it once again highlights what many of us have known (although some have chosen not to accept), which is that this is an unethical dude. Transparency, schmanparency. It probably would've been a non-story if he would've just come out and said, "yep, I did it" instead of dragging his heels then trying to gloss over it by pulling Bill Clinton into the fold.

He's making a fool of himself, and contrary to his belief that he's doing us a favor by bowing down to other world leaders, it is weakening us, not strengthening our station in the world. Just my opinion, of course.

[AlteredDNA]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100602/ap_ ... ado_senate

With Sestak and now Romanoff, maybe now we're seeing Obama's real "jobs program"...

[hoagiepete]

I'm currently in Denver on business and it was interesting to hear the local talk radio on the drive in. The Denver Post did an article on this months ago, not even knowing it what the administration was doing was illegal.

I am now convinced the administration feels it is no big deal to bring Chicago political tactics to the White House.

[Rip Rokken]

WOW! I guess Obama's a tough guy now, a real ass-kicker!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100608/ts_nm/us_oil_spill

"I don't sit around just talking to experts because this is a college seminar. We talk to these folks because they potentially have the best answer so I know whose ass to kick," Obama said in an interview with NBC News' "Today" to air on Tuesday.

[Tomulator]

This is a non-story for me. I assume this has been going on for decades. They are guilty as hell, but so been has most administrations.

I think it's relevant because it once again highlights what many of us have known (although some have chosen not to accept), which is that this is an unethical dude. Transparency, schmanparency. It probably would've been a non-story if he would've just come out and said, "yep, I did it" instead of dragging his heels then trying to gloss over it by pulling Bill Clinton into the fold.

He's making a fool of himself, and contrary to his belief that he's doing us a favor by bowing down to other world leaders, it is weakening us, not strengthening our station in the world. Just my opinion, of course.

+1

[7 Wishes]

But, the fact that he's black has NOTHING to do with it, right? Since Dubbya did EXACTLY the same thing.

Go ahead, try to deny it.

I'll call your bullshit before you even post a word.

[G.I.Jim]

But, the fact that he's black has NOTHING to do with it, right? Since Dubbya did EXACTLY the same thing.

Go ahead, try to deny it.

I'll call your bullshit before you even post a word.

What the hell are you talking about here Dan? How can I argue with you, if I don't know what we're arguing about?

[RedWingFan]

But, the fact that he's black has NOTHING to do with it, right? Since Dubbya did EXACTLY the same thing.

Go ahead, try to deny it.

I'll call your bullshit before you even post a word.

What the hell are you talking about here Dan? How can I argue with you, if I don't know what we're arguing about?

Yeah, can you be more specific Reverend Sharpton?

[RocknRoll]

I've missed this thread since I've actually enjoyed it. Go Figure?? I love to read different opinions and access to media that support different opinions. I can actually jump in once in awhile and get burned but that's OK.

So for me it's continue on!! It's MR!!

[7 Wishes]

Just the general attitude - and perhaps, specifically, LiePaster.

[G.I.Jim]

Just the general attitude - and perhaps, specifically, LiePaster.

Well are you saying he's WRONG, or that you just don't like him because of his opinions?

[7 Wishes]

No, Jim - I've stated that I think Obama is a hypocrite and deserves to be called out for it.

That's a completely separate issue, though - people here berate Obama for doing the same things Bush did (and they said nothing about it at the time). THAT bothers me.

[G.I.Jim]

No, Jim - I've stated that I think Obama is a hypocrite and deserves to be called out for it.

That's a completely separate issue, though - people here berate Obama for doing the same things Bush did (and they said nothing about it at the time). THAT bothers me.

What I don't get, is what did he do that's the same as Bush? A little more info here please!!

[7 Wishes]

Specifically, I was referring to the whole "bowing to foreign leaders" non-issue. People who try to make hay out of it today said nothing when Bush bowed to the same individuals during his glorious "terms".

[AlteredDNA]

Specifically, I was referring to the whole "bowing to foreign leaders" non-issue. People who try to make hay out of it today said nothing when Bush bowed to the same individuals during his glorious "terms".

Links? Photos?

[G.I.Jim]

Specifically, I was referring to the whole "bowing to foreign leaders" non-issue. People who try to make hay out of it today said nothing when Bush bowed to the same individuals during his glorious "terms".

I agree with you on the bowing. Although Bush never went on an apology tour around the world either. Both to me are signs of weakness to other countries. We are the most powerful nation on the planet, and have done more good for every country out there than any other on the planet. Our leaders should not bow. Just saying.

[Rockindeano]

Specifically, I was referring to the whole "bowing to foreign leaders" non-issue. People who try to make hay out of it today said nothing when Bush bowed to the same individuals during his glorious "terms".

I agree with you on the bowing. Although Bush never went on an apology tour around the world either. Both to me are signs of weakness to other countries. We are the most powerful nation on the planet, and have done more good for every country out there than any other on the planet. Our leaders should not bow. Just saying.

Dude, you are so fucking programmed by the fucking military you can't see the forest for the trees. So what we're the most powerful country in the world? We are also the biggest corrupt state to ever exist as well, and have done our share of bad in this world too.

You also need to learn international culture- bowing to another foreign leader on THEIR soil is a sign of respect, not weakness. Oh and as for the apology tour- what would you do if you inherited the absolute worst, most corrupt, and incredibly stupid administration ever, who went on a irresponsible rampage of cowboy diplomacy, and fucked every other country in the ass sideways? If you hadn't noticed, we were hated by just about every country in the world during the W regime. Now after electing Obama, say what you will, but we are held in higher regard than the previous administration's days. This whole attitude about "we are the most powerful country" bullshit is just stupid. Who the Hell cares? We are COEXISTERS of the planet, not the world's policeman. We need to give and take with EVERYONE else.

[donnaplease]

Now after electing Obama, say what you will, but we are held in higher regard than the previous administration's days.

Do you have some tangible proof of this?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Do you have some tangible proof of this?

Do you have tangible evidence that a bow reduces our nuclear arsenal and military superiority, and in your words, "is weakening us, not strengthening our station in the world"?
Bush's FUCK-YOU cowboy swagger did NOTHING to decelerate enemy states from going nuclear, so what difference does it make?
Ronald Reagan didn't bring down the Soviet Union by simply telling Gorbachev to "bring it on", it was finally achieved through talks with limited preconditions and mutual respect.
I'm glad this President isn't historically illiterate, and is secure enough in his patriotism to acknowledge both our mistakes and successes. It's long overdue.

[donnaplease]

Do you have some tangible proof of this?

Do you have tangible evidence that a bow reduces our nuclear arsenal and military superiority, and in your words, "is weakening us, not strengthening our station in the world"?
Bush's FUCK-YOU cowboy swagger did NOTHING to decelerate enemy states from going nuclear, so what difference does it make?
Ronald Reagan didn't bring down the Soviet Union by simply telling Gorbachev to "bring it on", it was finally achieved through talks with limited preconditions and mutual respect.
I'm glad this President isn't historically illiterate, and is secure enough in his patriotism to acknowledge both our mistakes and successes. It's long overdue.

Well now... I take that as a resounding 'no'. Nice try at deflecting by bringing up Bush & Reagan though. Looks like playing nice isn't getting us anywhere either, which is why I posed the question to Dean.

As for my words, I stand by them, including the part that you so conveniently left out: my opinion.

[Sarah]

You also need to learn international culture- bowing to another foreign leader on THEIR soil is a sign of respect, not weakness. Oh and as for the apology tour- what would you do if you inherited the absolute worst, most corrupt, and incredibly stupid administration ever, who went on a irresponsible rampage of cowboy diplomacy, and fucked every other country in the ass sideways? If you hadn't noticed, we were hated by just about every country in the world during the W regime. Now after electing Obama, say what you will, but we are held in higher regard than the previous administration's days. This whole attitude about "we are the most powerful country" bullshit is just stupid. Who the Hell cares? We are COEXISTERS of the planet, not the world's policeman. We need to give and take with EVERYONE else.

I pretty much agree with this - peace starts with cooperation, not with "we're the best and fuck the rest". That doesn't make any friends. Isn't it also a sign of strength to be able to admit when you've done wrong?

[donnaplease]

You also need to learn international culture- bowing to another foreign leader on THEIR soil is a sign of respect, not weakness. Oh and as for the apology tour- what would you do if you inherited the absolute worst, most corrupt, and incredibly stupid administration ever, who went on a irresponsible rampage of cowboy diplomacy, and fucked every other country in the ass sideways? If you hadn't noticed, we were hated by just about every country in the world during the W regime. Now after electing Obama, say what you will, but we are held in higher regard than the previous administration's days. This whole attitude about "we are the most powerful country" bullshit is just stupid. Who the Hell cares? We are COEXISTERS of the planet, not the world's policeman. We need to give and take with EVERYONE else.

I pretty much agree with this - peace starts with cooperation, not with "we're the best and fuck the rest". That doesn't make any friends. Isn't it also a sign of strength to be able to admit when you've done wrong?

Maybe he should just hold an international beer summit...!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well now... I take that as a resounding 'no'.

The question wasn't directed at me. I couldn't care less about how a bow, curtesy, or fist-bump causes Obama's overseas Q-rating to fluctuate. Like issues of flag lapels and Bill Ayers, this is some seriously stupid shit. Like 7, I DO care about right wing hypocrisy - which you are showing in spades. Deano can be expected to present his rock-solid evidence the second you present yours.

Nice try at deflecting by bringing up Bush & Reagan though.

It's not a deflection. The Presidency does not exist in a vacuum. If you are not using the actions of past administrations as a yardstick, then just what BS standard are you holding Obama to? Something Glenn Beck supposedly saw in a coke-fueled vision from God?

As for my words, I stand by them, including the part that you so conveniently left out: my opinion.

EVERYONE on here is expressing an opinion. That what message boards are for. Nobody needs to say IMO after every sentence. What a cop-out. Back it up, or don't bother.

[donnaplease]

Well now... I take that as a resounding 'no'.

The question wasn't directed at me. I couldn't care less about how a bow, curtesy, or fist-bump causes Obama's overseas Q-rating to fluctuate. Like issues of flag lapels and Bill Ayers, this is some seriously stupid shit. Like 7, I DO care about right wing hypocrisy - which you are showing in spades. Deano can be expected to present his rock-solid evidence the second you present yours.

Nice try at deflecting by bringing up Bush & Reagan though.

It's not a deflection. The Presidency does not exist in a vacuum. If you are not using the actions of past administrations as a yardstick, then just what BS standard are you holding Obama to? Something Glenn Beck supposedly saw in a coke-fueled vision from God?

As for my words, I stand by them, including the part that you so conveniently left out: my opinion.

EVERYONE on here is expressing an opinion. That what message boards are for. Nobody needs to say IMO after every sentence. What a cop-out. Back it up, or don't bother.

You're right, the question wasn't directed at you. I asked a sincere question to Dean, yet you jumped in with both barrels loaded with the typical attacks. If it's so stupid, why bother responding?

[Saint John]

I pretty much agree with this - peace starts with cooperation, not with "we're the best and fuck the rest". That doesn't make any friends. Isn't it also a sign of strength to be able to admit when you've done wrong?

What you don't understand, and I understand this only represents a portion of the world, is that Islam demands that all infidels be killed. So fuck them, fuck peace and kill them all before they kill us. It is not a peaceful religion. That's just a mask for them to snicker at idiots that actually believe that bullshit. And, no, I'm not calling you an idiot ... unless you believe that bullshit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You're right, the question wasn't directed at you. I asked a sincere question to Dean, yet you jumped in with both barrels loaded with the typical attacks. If it's so stupid, why bother responding?

This is a public message board. If you have a private question, save it for PM. Better yet, if you can't explain Hannity/RNC talking points, don't parrot them to begin with.