President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[RedWingFan]

It's obvious that the Bamster is an absolute disaster of a president. The question now is, is it because he's just incompetent and never ran anything in his life? Or is he doing destroying our economy and abandoning our allies purposefully?

[Rockindeano]

Now after electing Obama, say what you will, but we are held in higher regard than the previous administration's days.

Do you have some tangible proof of this?

Not a single ounce. Nope, notta. I just can definitely tell you we were absolutely hated under that asshole. Obama did well to apologize for his reckless rampage across the entire fucking globe.

Actually, after some thinking on your pointed question to me, I do remember United States biggest ally, Canada, booing the US anthem at every turn of every corner. I do remember many countries, either saying outright "no" to joining up in the "war against terror," or doing so very reluctantly...see Spain, Australia, Canada and Japan. In fact, I don't think Canada even sent troops to Iraq. Why can Canada, our most trusted historically strongest ally see through the lies of Iraq and take a stand and not go, but our own people here in this nation buy into the red white and blue covered lies? Wave that flag and draw up some blind, false, patriotic hopefuls, believing that a US war lead by our very own President is the right thing to do. You know it is also patriotic to take a stand and that POV should also be respected.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Now after electing Obama, say what you will, but we are held in higher regard than the previous administration's days.

Do you have some tangible proof of this?

Not a single ounce. Nope, notta. .

And there is none. I can tell you that the European attitude for example toward the United States has not changed one ounce for the better since Obama has taken office. An attitude constanty oscillating from grudging admiration to jealously fuelled distain and morally better than you attitude. Just today I watched back to back programmes on France 24 and Russia Today lambasting the US and Obama, and I hear all three parties in the UK snipe at the US, because it scores them brownie points in public opinion. Obamas apology tour did nothing for the US.

[Rockindeano]

Now after electing Obama, say what you will, but we are held in higher regard than the previous administration's days.

Do you have some tangible proof of this?

Not a single ounce. Nope, notta. .

And there is none. I can tell you that the European attitude for example toward the United States has not changed one ounce for the better since Obama has taken office. An attitude constanty oscillating from grudging admiration to jealously fuelled distain and morally better than you attitude. Just today I watched back to back programmes on France 24 and Russia Today lambasting the US and Obama, and I hear all three parties in the UK snipe at the US, because it scores them brownie points in public opinion. Obamas apology tour did nothing for the US.

Ok, then what you're saying is since Clinton left office, the European community has hated us. I know Europe loved us when Clinton was in office, so what you are basically saying, or just said was, Bush made Europe hate us. Is that correct?

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Now after electing Obama, say what you will, but we are held in higher regard than the previous administration's days.

Do you have some tangible proof of this?

Not a single ounce. Nope, notta. .

And there is none. I can tell you that the European attitude for example toward the United States has not changed one ounce for the better since Obama has taken office. An attitude constanty oscillating from grudging admiration to jealously fuelled distain and morally better than you attitude. Just today I watched back to back programmes on France 24 and Russia Today lambasting the US and Obama, and I hear all three parties in the UK snipe at the US, because it scores them brownie points in public opinion. Obamas apology tour did nothing for the US.

Ok, then what you're saying is since Clinton left office, the European community has hated us. I know Europe loved us when Clinton was in office, so what you are basically saying, or just said was, Bush made Europe hate us. Is that correct?

No I remember the first real blatant anti Americanism I ever felt was during the bosnian conflict in the late 90's, when Clinton was being lambasted by the Brits, I remember being told "you ignorant Americans are know it all bullies". I remember it really pissing me off. To really understand it you have to move beyond trying to understand in in terms of what Democrat or what Republican president did what and understand there are some real fundamental differences in world view which always been there but are being accentuated over the past twenty five years.

A great analysis of this is in Kagan's Power and Paradise http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paradise-Power- ... 1843541785

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's obvious that the Bamster is an absolute disaster of a president. The question now is, is it because he's just incompetent and never ran anything in his life? Or is he doing destroying our economy and abandoning our allies purposefully?

You're one of the sad 22 percenters who still thinks Bush did a good job, and turns to Rush Limbaugh for civic enlightenment. Your opinion is irrelevant. Almost every action Obama has made so far has been in response to the flaming bags of dog shit left sitting on the White House porch when he arrived. Until he gets a handle on the current Bush Great Depression, his legacy remains parked in neutral.

[7 Wishes]

Clinton was the most popular U.S. President since Roosevelt in the rest of the world - and he left office with a 67% approval rating. So steer clear of the historical revisionism, k? The long-term survival of America, democracy in general, and a semblance of peace has much greater potential with a brilliant humanitarian such as Obama representing the United States than any thick-skulled six-shooting idiot from Texas.

[donnaplease]

Now after electing Obama, say what you will, but we are held in higher regard than the previous administration's days.

Do you have some tangible proof of this?

Not a single ounce. Nope, notta. I just can definitely tell you we were absolutely hated under that asshole. Obama did well to apologize for his reckless rampage across the entire fucking globe.

Actually, after some thinking on your pointed question to me, I do remember United States biggest ally, Canada, booing the US anthem at every turn of every corner. I do remember many countries, either saying outright "no" to joining up in the "war against terror," or doing so very reluctantly...see Spain, Australia, Canada and Japan. In fact, I don't think Canada even sent troops to Iraq. Why can Canada, our most trusted historically strongest ally see through the lies of Iraq and take a stand and not go, but our own people here in this nation buy into the red white and blue covered lies? Wave that flag and draw up some blind, false, patriotic hopefuls, believing that a US war lead by our very own President is the right thing to do. You know it is also patriotic to take a stand and that POV should also be respected.

OK, assuming all that happened, what evidence is there that relations are better under BO? I personally think the so-called apology tour may have emboldened people to come against us. I'm thinking about the Iranian and Mexican leaders who came into our country and trashed us. If they will do that publicly on our land, I wonder what our potential enemies might be saying on their land.

I totally agree with you about taking a stand and allowing that POV to be respected. Some on here would be wise to adhere to that. And that's why I KNOW you will lay off the "tea baggers" for expressing theirs...

[RedWingFan]

It's obvious that the Bamster is an absolute disaster of a president. The question now is, is it because he's just incompetent and never ran anything in his life? Or is he doing destroying our economy and abandoning our allies purposefully?

You're one of the sad 22 percenters who still thinks Bush did a good job

At the close of his 2nd term I thought he did an okay job. With every passing day I think his time in office is elevated.

Almost every action Obama has made so far has been in response to the flaming bags of dog shit left sitting on the White House porch when he arrived.

I guess you consider Bush leaving our allies Poland and the Czech Republic with missle defense shields "flaming bags of dog shit" huh? Bamster stomped that out real fast and stripped them leaving them to fend for themselves.

Until he gets a handle on the current Bush Great Depression, his legacy remains parked in neutral.

Just like the pathetic little man we have as commander in chief, can't take responsibility for trashing the economy, inheriting 5 or 6% unemployment and running it up to 10% huh?
I suppose Bush drew up the Stimulus package that flushed all our money down the toilet? Pathetic. Man up and defend your pathetic president's actions instead of trying to blame Bush.

[Rockindeano]

I totally agree with you about taking a stand and allowing that POV to be respected. Some on here would be wise to adhere to that. And that's why I KNOW you will lay off the "tea baggers" for expressing theirs...

Seriously? Not to worry, the Tea Baggers are pure comedy, and have no say in anything important. They are just bigoted blow hards who want guns, no taxes and no "spics or niggers" in this here nation. I don't mind them. Hell, they're doing a terrific job of fracturing the GOP that I laugh out loud hysterically at their stupidity.

[Rockindeano]

Just like the pathetic little man we have as commander in chief, can't take responsibility for trashing the economy, inheriting 5 or 6% unemployment and running it up to 10% huh?
I suppose Bush drew up the Stimulus package that flushed all our money down the toilet? Pathetic. Man up and defend your pathetic president's actions instead of trying to blame Bush.

If you think the economy worsened under Obama you would be right. If you think he is/was the cause of it, you should delete yourself immediately because you have no intellect whatsoever. This is still Bush's depression. The Stimulus saved the fucking economy. The actions Obama took, including bailing out the auto industry and the banking industry turned out to be correct. There's your defense.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I guess you consider Bush leaving our allies Poland and the Czech Republic with missile defense shields "flaming bags of dog shit" huh? Bamster stomped that out real fast and stripped them leaving them to fend for themselves.

In comparison to inheriting the greatest economic crash in modern history and 2 ongoing theatres of war, you're talking chump change. This is the most embattled administration since FDR, and yes, the loyal opposition should take a back seat and kindly refrain from talking smack. Same goes with the oil spill. You guys really want to posture as the defenders of regulation and clean energy now? Get the fuck out of here.

Just like the pathetic little man we have as commander in chief, can't take responsibility for trashing the economy, inheriting 5 or 6% unemployment and running it up to 10% huh?

Providing aid to states when tax revenues are down does not hinder the private sector from making a comeback. The stimulus did not increase unemployment. If anything, it kept workers in their jobs.
Did it measure up to the President’s rosy expectations? No.
Did it add a point or two to GDP? Yes.
It’s also worth noting that no Keynesian economist (Stiglitz, Baker, Krugman) said it would do what Obama predicted. You are not going to fill an 8 trillion dollar housing bubble with 787 billion in aid. Basic math.

I suppose Bush drew up the Stimulus package that flushed all our money down the toilet?

Not a waste. Talk to the teachers or the construction workers who could continue to feed their families. Besides, the GOP’s stimulus would have increased the deficit even further.
So where's your alternative? You’re just a nihilist anti-government asshole.

Pathetic. Man up and defend your pathetic president's actions instead of trying to blame Bush.

I don’t think you hear yourself. I said that nearly every major initiative of this president has been made in response to mini-apocalypses left waiting for him. So what do you pick to prove me wrong? The stimulus passed to save an already broken economy. Brilliant!

[The_Noble_Cause]

OK, assuming all that happened, what evidence is there that relations are better under BO?

We have EIGHT years of proof to know that the Bush doctrine failed. Why are you so quick to judge Obama's foreign policy after less than two? Luckily for him, he still has the benefit of time. Not so with the GOP's discredited neocon policies.

I personally think the so-called apology tour may have emboldened people to come against us.

And I personally think it was because the country went Republican in 2000 that 9-11 happened. Offensive and totally devoid of evidence? Yup. But that's how you sound.

[SF-Dano]

[quote="The_Noble_Cause"]
And I personally think it was because the country went Republican in 2000 that 9-11 happened.[quote]

I don't know if this was said in jest, but that is just a ridiculous statement. I would think the fact that several islamic terror attacks have taken place while this country was under Democrat leadership would be example enough that these terrorist don't care about the political ideology leading this country at any particular time.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And I personally think it was because the country went Republican in 2000 that 9-11 happened.

I don't know if this was said in jest, but that is just a ridiculous statement. I would think the fact that several islamic terror attacks have taken place while this country was under Democrat leadership would be example enough that these terrorist don't care about the political ideology leading this country at any particular time.

You're a moron. Quote me in context or fuck off.

[SF-Dano]

I am sorry I didn't understand your context. Care to explain. I am going to guess not. And the swearing was un-called for, so go screw yourself. Loser.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I am sorry I didn't understand your context. Care to explain. I am going to guess not. And the swearing was un-called for, so go screw yourself. Loser.

This is a joke, right? Man, are you slow on the uptake. WOW.
Let me break it down for you -

1) Donna makes a baseless post attributing the behavior of our enemies to the President, saying – "I personally think the so-called apology tour may have emboldened people to come against us."

2) Employing her own line of faulty partisan logic, I make a similar defamatory stupid remark, only this time pinning the actions of our enemies to her party, saying – "And I personally think it was because the country went Republican in 2000 that 9-11 happened."

3) Just in case there are any dim-witted turds who can't grasp that I'm using Donna's reasoning against her, I openly acknowledge that my statement is “offensive and totally devoid of evidence." I then proceed to tell Donna that my fact-free shameless comment is exactly "how you sound."

4) Your dumb crayon-chewing ass is dragged in. Wash, rinse, and repeat.

[donnaplease]

I totally agree with you about taking a stand and allowing that POV to be respected. Some on here would be wise to adhere to that. And that's why I KNOW you will lay off the "tea baggers" for expressing theirs...

Seriously? Not to worry, the Tea Baggers are pure comedy, and have no say in anything important. They are just bigoted blow hards who want guns, no taxes and no "spics or niggers" in this here nation. I don't mind them. Hell, they're doing a terrific job of fracturing the GOP that I laugh out loud hysterically at their stupidity.

Ok, suuurrreee.

[RedWingFan]

Just like the pathetic little man we have as commander in chief, can't take responsibility for trashing the economy, inheriting 5 or 6% unemployment and running it up to 10% huh?

Providing aid to states when tax revenues are down does not hinder the private sector from making a comeback.

When you have no money, and print, tax and borrow against future generations, yeah it does hinder the private sector.

The stimulus did not increase unemployment. If anything, it kept workers in their jobs.

Stimulus was passed and private sector jobs plummet. The unemployment rate went up, if it "kept workers in their jobs", then unemployment would have remained the same. Stimulus did increase our debt...if anything.

And I personally think it was because we invaded Iraq that we didn't have a dozen other cities hit by terrorists. Just imagine how bad it would have been had Bush not invaded. Bush saved hundreds of thousands of innocent American lives. Offensive and totally devoid of evidence? Yup. But that's how you sound.

[The_Noble_Cause]

When you have no money, and print, tax and borrow against future generations, yeah it does hinder the private sector.

Spare me the "think of the children" hand-wringing. When your team was in power, and the treasury actually had money, everything was paid for with Chinese credit. As if THAT debt wasn't passed onto future generations? Where were you then? Your concern is fraudulent. Obama's spending is at least justified because of the recession. Spending cuts right now is a guaranteed recipe for economic contraction.

Stimulus was passed and private sector jobs plummet.

Those dominoes were already in motion. I don’t think you quite grasp the severity of this downturn.

The unemployment rate went up, if it "kept workers in their jobs", then unemployment would have remained the same.

Never said that the stimulus saved ALL jobs. I did say that it kept teachers and construction workers from selling their plasma and sucking cock on Craig’s list.

Stimulus did increase our debt...if anything.

As already noted, your concern over this is bogus.

And I personally think it was because we invaded Iraq that we didn't have a dozen other cities hit by terrorists. Just imagine how bad it would have been had Bush not invaded. Bush saved hundreds of thousands of innocent American lives.

Might want to tell that to the Brits and the Spanish, who served alongside our troops in Iraq, and whose home countries have been rocked by terrorist attack after terrorist attack. We too have come within a hair’s breadth of another 9-11. Like LBJ, Bush is a murderer. This was confirmed recently, once more, by the former Argentinean president, Nestor Kirchner (link below). Remember, there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/292811

Offensive and totally devoid of evidence? Yup. But that's how you sound.

Actually, no, it isn't. When I said this, it was to make a point about Donna making wild sweeping claims based on blind faith and magical thinking. The sad thing is, you genuinely believe hurling American kids into a meatgrinder somehow grants us an invisible force field against terrorists. I got news for you- terrorists intent on striking America will do whatever they want. Neither a diplomatic bow or a conventional hot war 10,000 miles away means a thing.

[RedWingFan]

When I said this, it was to make a point about Donna making wild sweeping claims based on blind faith and magical thinking.

Which is why I posted the same thing for your blind faith and magical thinking that the horrible economic calamity that followed Obama's stimulus, would have been a REALLY horrible economic calamity if he hadn't pulled the handle on the commode.

[The_Noble_Cause]

When I said this, it was to make a point about Donna making wild sweeping claims based on blind faith and magical thinking.

Which is why I posted the same thing for your blind faith and magical thinking that the horrible economic calamity that followed Obama's stimulus, would have been a REALLY horrible economic calamity if he hadn't pulled the handle on the commode.

That's not magical thinking. Try the Wall Street Journal.

[7 Wishes]

[quote="RedWingFan"]Bush saved hundreds of thousands of innocent American lives. [quote]

You are truly an abhorrently ignorant asshole, RightWingNutjob.

[G.I.Jim]

Bush saved hundreds of thousands of innocent American lives.

You are truly an abhorrently ignorant asshole, RightWingNutjob.

Dan, why do you use so much name calling in your posts? Just wondering...

[artist4perry]

I totally agree with you about taking a stand and allowing that POV to be respected. Some on here would be wise to adhere to that. And that's why I KNOW you will lay off the "tea baggers" for expressing theirs...

Seriously? Not to worry, the Tea Baggers are pure comedy, and have no say in anything important. They are just bigoted blow hards who want guns, no taxes and no "spics or niggers" in this here nation. I don't mind them. Hell, they're doing a terrific job of fracturing the GOP that I laugh out loud hysterically at their stupidity.

Ok, suuurrreee.

Uh.......Deano.............I have joined in with the Tea Baggers but guess what...........no biggoted remarks...........no screaming for guns.................just people fed up with big government. Last time I checked we are free to protest..........oh I forgot.........unless it is a liberal protest it is not a legitimate protest. And all people who are in on the tea parties are biggots? I didn't see any of that. Mostly they were common folks........farmers, teachers, housewives, you know the folks that big government would rather lable biggots than listen to them and hear what they really have to say. If I am a biggot your anal retentive. Still love ya big guy............

[G.I.Jim]

I totally agree with you about taking a stand and allowing that POV to be respected. Some on here would be wise to adhere to that. And that's why I KNOW you will lay off the "tea baggers" for expressing theirs...

Seriously? Not to worry, the Tea Baggers are pure comedy, and have no say in anything important. They are just bigoted blow hards who want guns, no taxes and no "spics or niggers" in this here nation. I don't mind them. Hell, they're doing a terrific job of fracturing the GOP that I laugh out loud hysterically at their stupidity.

Ok, suuurrreee.

Uh.......Deano.............I have joined in with the Tea Baggers but guess what...........no biggoted remarks...........no screaming for guns.................just people fed up with big government. Last time I checked we are free to protest..........oh I forgot.........unless it is a liberal protest it is not a legitimate protest. And all people who are in on the tea parties are biggots? I didn't see any of that. Mostly they were common folks........farmers, teachers, housewives, you know the folks that big government would rather lable biggots than listen to them and hear what they really have to say. If I am a biggot your anal retentive. Still love ya big guy............

God bless you Ginger! I couldn't have said this any better. Dean, when Obama and his henchmen said "I don't give a DAMN what this country wants, they're all getting healthcare, and if they don't they'll be fined".... He sealed the fate of anyone following that train of thought. When he spent more money than this country will ever be able to pay back, he flipped a big bird to the American people.... He is fucking retarded! Have you heard him speak without a teleprompter? And you pick on Bush for his inability to speak?

Healthcare will be his downfall. Not so much that, but anytime you act like you don't give a shit what your supporters want... You're political career is through. I can't WAIT until November!

[artist4perry]

The second picture I think that woman is a BIGGOT! SHE MUST BE DANGEROUS! SHE MUST BE STOPPED!


Extreme libs crack me up as much as extreme right wingers...........they are so full of crap their eyes are turning brown!

[donnaplease]

Actually, no, it isn't. When I said this, it was to make a point about Donna making wild sweeping claims based on blind faith and magical thinking. The sad thing is, you genuinely believe hurling American kids into a meatgrinder somehow grants us an invisible force field against terrorists. I got news for you- terrorists intent on striking America will do whatever they want. Neither a diplomatic bow or a conventional hot war 10,000 miles away means a thing.

Oh FFS, spare us the dramatic bullshit. Make up your freakin' mind, either people are entitled to an opinion or they're not. Or is it just people who happen to have the same opinion as you?

You know, you often make good points, and when you're not hell-bent on hurling insults I enjoy reading your posts. I don't care much what you think of my thoughts and opinions because in the end I'm the one that has to live with them, but I can guarantee you that you won't sway one person's mind when you're so nasty.

[donnaplease]

The second picture I think that woman is a BIGGOT! SHE MUST BE DANGEROUS! SHE MUST BE STOPPED!


Extreme libs crack me up as much as extreme right wingers...........they are so full of crap their eyes are turning brown!

Like your pic, Ginger. I just read in our local paper this week that a tea party is organizing in my county. I may check it out, just to experience those bigots and racists. My eyes are already brown, so I guess I'm ok...

[artist4perry]

The second picture I think that woman is a BIGGOT! SHE MUST BE DANGEROUS! SHE MUST BE STOPPED!


Extreme libs crack me up as much as extreme right wingers...........they are so full of crap their eyes are turning brown!

Like your pic, Ginger. I just read in our local paper this week that a tea party is organizing in my county. I may check it out, just to experience those bigots and racists. My eyes are already brown, so I guess I'm ok...

Yes, check them out..........I bet you won't hear the dangerous radical racist garbage that the left seem to have a radar to hear at these gatherings.
I found mommies, older gentlemen, older women, middle age middle class, lower class folks who were just concerned about Government growing too big, and making our country bankrupt in the process.

Now before some start screaming I love GW Bush, I thought he was a cheesehead for doing the same. You cannot borrow your way out of debt. Common sense folks.

I had fun at the gathering, and the people were just down to earth middle to lower class. I guess the extreme left find farmers and grandmothers to be dangerous.

This is what they fear;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFiN7Zsz2zM