President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[7 Wishes]

Again we see the double standard - the GOP has been nothing but a deficit-spending, borrowing machine for decades now, and once again, a Democrat has to come into office with the economy in ruins. Please read up on the myth of supply-side conomics before you start lambasting Obama for taking the only approach that prevented another Depression.

[artist4perry]

Again we see the double standard - the GOP has been nothing but a deficit-spending, borrowing machine for decades now, and once again, a Democrat has to come into office with the economy in ruins. Please read up on the myth of supply-side conomics before you start lambasting Obama for taking the only approach that prevented another Depression.

Maybe I did not make myself clear.........both sides suck. Your just blindly following one because it is "your side".

[Rockindeano]

Maybe I did not make myself clear.........both sides suck. Your just blindly following one because it is "your side".

A couple thoughts on this comment. Both sides do suck, but one side is much worse than the other. The "worse" side is a mangled mess, having damn near ruined the entire nation, and they paid for it. The other side, clearly with it's own faults, at least has good intentions for the common good of the very people it serves.

I follow the party of the people, not the party of the wealthy.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh FFS, spare us the dramatic bullshit. Make up your freakin' mind, either people are entitled to an opinion or they're not. Or is it just people who happen to have the same opinion as you?

You know, you often make good points, and when you're not hell-bent on hurling insults I enjoy reading your posts. I don't care much what you think of my thoughts and opinions because in the end I'm the one that has to live with them, but I can guarantee you that you won't sway one person's mind when you're so nasty.

Never meant to imply that you're not entitled to your own opinion, DP. That's not the case AT ALL. I'm sorry you think that. A few times, I have asked you to back up your opinion. I don't think that is too much to ask. The same has been asked of me and pretty much every poster in the political thread at one point or another.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You cannot borrow your way out of debt. Common sense folks.

But macroeconomics is not common sense. Much econ theory is counter-intuitive. That's like the deceptively simple comparison between a household budget and the sovereign debt-purchasing/money printing power of the U.S. Government. Not the same thing. In an economic downturn, you're supposed to run a deficit in the short term.

[RedWingFan]

You cannot borrow your way out of debt. Common sense folks.

But macroeconomics is not common sense. Much econ theory is counter-intuitive. That's like the deceptively simple comparison between a household budget and the sovereign debt-purchasing/money printing power of the U.S. Government. Not the same thing. In an economic downturn, you're supposed to run a deficit in the short term.

Yeah, just like Greece.

[Saint John]

A couple thoughts on this comment.

Please, enlighten us.

The other side, clearly with it's own faults

Grammar, for one.

at least has good intentions for the common good of the very people it serves.

Yeah, "it serves" those that don't work, in exchange for votes.

I follow the party of the people, not the party of the wealthy.

You follow what self interest mandates you to. Much like me, you're not strong enough to work hard, save, spend wisely and become wealthy. But at least I don't envy those that are.

[7 Wishes]

The Greek debt crisis was caused by a huge increase in the number of government employees (see: Reagan and Bush), leading to smaller business tax revenues. Privatization of formerly government-run sectors led to, by necessity, an increase in high-interest borrowing.

Get your facts straight, RightWingLunatic. You rarely know what the fuck you're talking about, because you buy into the factually void Beckian / Hannityian philosophy you're told you're supposed to believe.

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=STAT/10/55&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

[artist4perry]

You cannot borrow your way out of debt. Common sense folks.

But macroeconomics is not common sense. Much econ theory is counter-intuitive. That's like the deceptively simple comparison between a household budget and the sovereign debt-purchasing/money printing power of the U.S. Government. Not the same thing. In an economic downturn, you're supposed to run a deficit in the short term.

But we are getting more and more indebted to Communist China. Why is that? And why are we not growing more and more concerned that we are borrowing at a ridiculous rate? That is like giving a credit card to an irresponsible teen and say I know you will be careful with this. Congress both Republicans and Democrats are notorious for their wasteful spending, pork projects, and backhand deals to their buddies. Your letting the fox in the hen house, and ignoring the terrored cries of your chickens.

Deano, I know you lend to the Democrats as your idles. Don't you realize most Arkansans are traditionally Democrats? Have you not heard the term Southern Democrat? Yes these are the darlings who did all they could to keep blacks "in their place" during the civil rights movement. I know too well about this party. The ends justify the means. They are for whatever will get them elected by the people. FYI............the KKK were comprised of Democrats.........study your history.

You could say they have changed.....but truely have they? They are for the good of the people, that is their montra. But how much to they tend to give to charity on a personal basis? Look it up.

Truth is guys both parties tend to be jaded and out of touch with the common man. They swear to do what is best, but do what they want once elected. Pardon me if I harbor suspicion over most of their motives. But lawyers and politicians have bad reputations for a reason. If you guys want to champion the Democrats be my guest. I just don't see an untarnished halo over any of their heads.

[donnaplease]

Oh FFS, spare us the dramatic bullshit. Make up your freakin' mind, either people are entitled to an opinion or they're not. Or is it just people who happen to have the same opinion as you?

You know, you often make good points, and when you're not hell-bent on hurling insults I enjoy reading your posts. I don't care much what you think of my thoughts and opinions because in the end I'm the one that has to live with them, but I can guarantee you that you won't sway one person's mind when you're so nasty.

Never meant to imply that you're not entitled to your own opinion, DP. That's not the case AT ALL. I'm sorry you think that. A few times, I have asked you to back up your opinion. I don't think that is too much to ask. The same has been asked of me and pretty much every poster in the political thread at one point or another.

Thanks, TNC. I like the kinder and gentler version much better...

Honestly, IDK if I can back up each and every opinion or not. I formulate my opinions based on lots of things. While it's true I do watch Fox News from time to time, I also listen to NPR and I used to listen to Air America before it crashed and burned. I read op eds in the newspaper, and I talk to people around me, who because of our backgrounds, share common values and goals. I digest all that stuff, and I form my own opinion - I don't regurgitate what others say despite what some may suggest. Hell, I've been accused here of being a mindless follower of Dean and a few others. If that were true, don'tcha think I'd be sharing his political views as well?

Like I've said befrore, I never claim to be a political whiz - I just follow my heart. That's why most of my stuff is followed with "IMO". I don't expect anyone to read it and suddenly be swayed by it. Just sharing how I feel. No facts, no theories, just me.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But we are getting more and more indebted to Communist China. Why is that?

Because our largest employer, Wal-Mart, essentially sets our trade policy.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh FFS, spare us the dramatic bullshit. Make up your freakin' mind, either people are entitled to an opinion or they're not. Or is it just people who happen to have the same opinion as you?

You know, you often make good points, and when you're not hell-bent on hurling insults I enjoy reading your posts. I don't care much what you think of my thoughts and opinions because in the end I'm the one that has to live with them, but I can guarantee you that you won't sway one person's mind when you're so nasty.

Never meant to imply that you're not entitled to your own opinion, DP. That's not the case AT ALL. I'm sorry you think that. A few times, I have asked you to back up your opinion. I don't think that is too much to ask. The same has been asked of me and pretty much every poster in the political thread at one point or another.

Thanks, TNC. I like the kinder and gentler version much better...

Honestly, IDK if I can back up each and every opinion or not. I formulate my opinions based on lots of things. While it's true I do watch Fox News from time to time, I also listen to NPR and I used to listen to Air America before it crashed and burned. I read op eds in the newspaper, and I talk to people around me, who because of our backgrounds, share common values and goals. I digest all that stuff, and I form my own opinion - I don't regurgitate what others say despite what some may suggest. Hell, I've been accused here of being a mindless follower of Dean and a few others. If that were true, don'tcha think I'd be sharing his political views as well?

Like I've said befrore, I never claim to be a political whiz - I just follow my heart. That's why most of my stuff is followed with "IMO". I don't expect anyone to read it and suddenly be swayed by it. Just sharing how I feel. No facts, no theories, just me.

You still listening to Thom Hartmann? He's a smart dude.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You cannot borrow your way out of debt. Common sense folks.

But macroeconomics is not common sense. Much econ theory is counter-intuitive. That's like the deceptively simple comparison between a household budget and the sovereign debt-purchasing/money printing power of the U.S. Government. Not the same thing. In an economic downturn, you're supposed to run a deficit in the short term.

Yeah, just like Greece.

Greece does not print it's own currency. Try again.

[Rockindeano]

Oh FFS, spare us the dramatic bullshit. Make up your freakin' mind, either people are entitled to an opinion or they're not. Or is it just people who happen to have the same opinion as you?

You know, you often make good points, and when you're not hell-bent on hurling insults I enjoy reading your posts. I don't care much what you think of my thoughts and opinions because in the end I'm the one that has to live with them, but I can guarantee you that you won't sway one person's mind when you're so nasty.

Never meant to imply that you're not entitled to your own opinion, DP. That's not the case AT ALL. I'm sorry you think that. A few times, I have asked you to back up your opinion. I don't think that is too much to ask. The same has been asked of me and pretty much every poster in the political thread at one point or another.

Thanks, TNC. I like the kinder and gentler version much better...

Honestly, IDK if I can back up each and every opinion or not. I formulate my opinions based on lots of things. While it's true I do watch Fox News from time to time, I also listen to NPR and I used to listen to Air America before it crashed and burned. I read op eds in the newspaper, and I talk to people around me, who because of our backgrounds, share common values and goals. I digest all that stuff, and I form my own opinion - I don't regurgitate what others say despite what some may suggest. Hell, I've been accused here of being a mindless follower of Dean and a few others. If that were true, don'tcha think I'd be sharing his political views as well?

Like I've said befrore, I never claim to be a political whiz - I just follow my heart. That's why most of my stuff is followed with "IMO". I don't expect anyone to read it and suddenly be swayed by it. Just sharing how I feel. No facts, no theories, just me.

Damn Donna, now you have me feeling terribly guilty. I should try to reign it in and stop the verbal assaults. I should respect your opinion more if not all the time.

I am truly sorry for how I behave in these goddamned political threads but I get so fuckin worked up it just pisses me off to no end!

[Rockindeano]

But we are getting more and more indebted to Communist China. Why is that?

Because our largest employer, Wal-Mart, essentially sets our trade policy.

Actually TNC, our largest employer is the US Government, but I get your point.

[RedWingFan]

Bush saved hundreds of thousands of innocent American lives.

You are truly an abhorrently ignorant asshole, RightWingNutjob.

You obviously have a hard time reading posts in context with Obama's balls on your mouth.

[artist4perry]

But we are getting more and more indebted to Communist China. Why is that?

Because our largest employer, Wal-Mart, essentially sets our trade policy.

Actually TNC, our largest employer is the US Government, but I get your point.

Fellows, I was refering to the outragous borrowing practices to get out of debt. They own most of our buisnesses now. (China)
Yes, I can see Wally World has caused a great deal of harm with their sweat shop purchases overseas. You won't get me to disagree on that. Again, our trade not regulated very well, or in our own intrest.

[artist4perry]

Oh FFS, spare us the dramatic bullshit. Make up your freakin' mind, either people are entitled to an opinion or they're not. Or is it just people who happen to have the same opinion as you?

You know, you often make good points, and when you're not hell-bent on hurling insults I enjoy reading your posts. I don't care much what you think of my thoughts and opinions because in the end I'm the one that has to live with them, but I can guarantee you that you won't sway one person's mind when you're so nasty.

Never meant to imply that you're not entitled to your own opinion, DP. That's not the case AT ALL. I'm sorry you think that. A few times, I have asked you to back up your opinion. I don't think that is too much to ask. The same has been asked of me and pretty much every poster in the political thread at one point or another.

Thanks, TNC. I like the kinder and gentler version much better...

Honestly, IDK if I can back up each and every opinion or not. I formulate my opinions based on lots of things. While it's true I do watch Fox News from time to time, I also listen to NPR and I used to listen to Air America before it crashed and burned. I read op eds in the newspaper, and I talk to people around me, who because of our backgrounds, share common values and goals. I digest all that stuff, and I form my own opinion - I don't regurgitate what others say despite what some may suggest. Hell, I've been accused here of being a mindless follower of Dean and a few others. If that were true, don'tcha think I'd be sharing his political views as well?

Like I've said befrore, I never claim to be a political whiz - I just follow my heart. That's why most of my stuff is followed with "IMO". I don't expect anyone to read it and suddenly be swayed by it. Just sharing how I feel. No facts, no theories, just me.

Damn Donna, now you have me feeling terribly guilty. I should try to reign it in and stop the verbal assaults. I should respect your opinion more if not all the time.

I am truly sorry for how I behave in these goddamned political threads but I get so fuckin worked up it just pisses me off to no end!

I understand Deano how you get so worked up over these things, but even if all of us don't see eye to eye on polical veiws, it does not mean we cannot respect each other as people. We won't all agree on a great deal of things. But I still will listen to what you have to say, and actually try to see them from your point of view, even if I don't share the same oppinions.

[donnaplease]

Damn Donna, now you have me feeling terribly guilty. I should try to reign it in and stop the verbal assaults. I should respect your opinion more if not all the time.

I am truly sorry for how I behave in these goddamned political threads but I get so fuckin worked up it just pisses me off to no end!

Alright, my brain is running on very little sleep... are you messing with me? Verbal assaults are what you do best!!!

I do think we can discuss this stuff without some of the nastiness that we see here from time to time... it takes away from the point that's being made, IMO.

It's easy to get passionate about political issues, since decisions made by the folks affect each of us in different ways.

[Rockindeano]

Dead serious donna. I will try to be civil and not run hot.

[portland]

Dead serious donna. I will try to be civil and not run hot.

Nice....very nice!

[artist4perry]

Dead serious donna. I will try to be civil and not run hot.

Nice....very nice!

Deano is a sweet heart...............

Clinton sucks eggs...............

Democrats eat turds.................

Lefties are Communists.......................










Still minding your temper sweetie? Just kidding by the way!

[Rockindeano]

Dead serious donna. I will try to be civil and not run hot.

Nice....very nice!

Deano is a sweet heart...............

Clinton sucks eggs...............

Democrats eat turds.................

Lefties are Communists.......................










Still minding your temper sweetie? Just kidding by the way!

I was just telling redhead that I was going to ease up on her in particular. I still get rather riled up. And your superlatives describing the Democrats and Clinton are laughable.

[donnaplease]

I was just telling redhead that I was going to ease up on her in particular. I still get rather riled up. And your superlatives describing the Democrats and Clinton are laughable.

You haven't given me grief in quite a while... are you sure you're feeling ok?

[ohsherrie]

I wanted to revive this thread to find out folks' opinions/reactions to the brewing scandal surrounding Joe Sestak.

Anyone?

I think Clinton has volunteered to be the fall guy to quickly bury this story and make it go away. I don't believe he was the one to contact Sestak, nor do I buy that the job Sestak was offered was non-paid. In terms of congressional bribery, however, this is small potatoes. If the GOP pursues this distraction at the expense of real issues, Sestak will win.

And besides that, it was just Washington SOP and compared to the procedural rules and laws that were adulterated by the Bush administration it's very small potatoes. If I was a rethug (mother earth forbid) I wouldn't be casting too many stones. Investigations can still be launched into that quagmire of corruption.

[ohsherrie]

Donna, there's exceptions to every rule....you picked the grandest of them all, and I cannot adequately argue it. Points to you you little redheaded Virginian. Now it's your turn to riddle me this. If immigration continues like it is, we the whites, will be the minority. Perhaps we now should exercise some compassion and latitude because one day we, the whites, may be on the reverse side of the coin. Just food for thought.

When did Donna's hair turn red? I thought I was the red-headed Virginian.

Affirmative Action is in it's way the same type of policy conundrum as Don't Ask/Don't Tell; both are unpopular by a significant number of voters, both imperfect, but both better than nothing for the purpose they were intended.

I've been in a position where I had to promote somebody into a supervisory position and it had to be a minority regardless of qualifications. I had to go through the entire job posting and interview process even though I knew that none of the others was going to have a chance at the job. In addition, I had to come up with a plausible rationale for promoting the least qualified person so that it wouldn't be obvious "reverse discrimination". That didn't sit well with me at all.

I've also been in a position where I was ready to put my job on the line to make sure a person wasn't discriminated against because of their skin color when I knew they were the best person for a job.

If I had the answer to either conundrum I would sell it to the highest bidding Democrat.

[donnaplease]

And besides that, it was just Washington SOP and compared to the procedural rules and laws that were adulterated by the Bush administration it's very small potatoes. If I was a rethug (mother earth forbid) I wouldn't be casting too many stones. Investigations can still be launched into that quagmire of corruption.

Sherrie, I get the whole 'they did it too' argument, and it is probably very true given the state of our political environment. But, BO campaigned on bringing CHANGE to Washington, and therefore if he is a man of his word he should have fought against that type of corruption, not jumped in with both feet. I have no doubt that if the powers that be in Washington thought they could make it stick, they would've gone after Bush long ago. I mean, with a liberal/democratic president and both houses of congress controlled by the dems, what's keeping them from it?

This the is Barack Obama thread, not the republican or George Bush thread, so it's his actions that are at focus now. Do you think it was okay that he did this, if he did this?

[ohsherrie]

This the is Barack Obama thread, not the republican or George Bush thread, so it's his actions that are at focus now. Do you think it was okay that he did this, if he did this?

It always strikes me as ironic that so many of those who supported the sham that was the Bush administration want it all forgotten now.

I think there are a lot of things that are a lot more important that the media, the legislature and the voters of this country need to be concentrating on than this issue. I personally don't care if he did it or not. It's petty. It's irrelevant. To hear all of this squawking you'd think he'd fired all of the republican attorneys in the Department of Justice to make sure it runs his way. Oh wait, Bush did get rid of the Democratic Attorneys so I guess that wouldn't be unethical would it?

There is no way that I'm going to miss a chance to tell the Bush supporters how hypocritical their picking apart the trivial slip ups of the Obama administration is when they supported legal and human abominations for eight years.

[AlteredDNA]

This the is Barack Obama thread, not the republican or George Bush thread, so it's his actions that are at focus now. Do you think it was okay that he did this, if he did this?

It always strikes me as ironic that so many of those who supported the sham that was the Bush administration want it all forgotten now.

I think there are a lot of things that are a lot more important that the media, the legislature and the voters of this country need to be concentrating on than this issue. I personally don't care if he did it or not. It's petty. It's irrelevant. To hear all of this squawking you'd think he'd fired all of the republican attorneys in the Department of Justice to make sure it runs his way. Oh wait, Bush did get rid of the Democratic Attorneys so I guess that wouldn't be unethical would it?

There is no way that I'm going to miss a chance to tell the Bush supporters how hypocritical their picking apart the trivial slip ups of the Obama administration is when they supported legal and human abominations for eight years.

So - hypocrite is as hypocrite does?

[RedWingFan]

I wanted to revive this thread to find out folks' opinions/reactions to the brewing scandal surrounding Joe Sestak.

Anyone?

I think Clinton has volunteered to be the fall guy to quickly bury this story and make it go away. I don't believe he was the one to contact Sestak, nor do I buy that the job Sestak was offered was non-paid. In terms of congressional bribery, however, this is small potatoes. If the GOP pursues this distraction at the expense of real issues, Sestak will win.

And besides that, it was just Washington SOP

Did Bush, Clinton, Bush or Reagan offer cabinet positions to candidates on the ballot to rig elections? Do you have any particulars on that?