President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Rockindeano]

Hey 7 fishes............I think I said both parties suck. I also said we need to stop arguing partisan politics and do what is best. Spending money frivilously will get us to end up like Greece. Or God forbid, someday re-live the days of "The Grapes of Wrath".

No Ginger, you say repeatedly that BOTH parties suck, then start hammering away on the Democrats, leaving the glorious republican party alone. It's bullshit. Call it the way you see it- just admit you're a conservative and be done with it. Are you embarrassed to admit being a republican? I would be too.

[Jana]

Hey 7 fishes............I think I said both parties suck. I also said we need to stop arguing partisan politics and do what is best. Spending money frivilously will get us to end up like Greece. Or God forbid, someday re-live the days of "The Grapes of Wrath".

No Ginger, you say repeatedly that BOTH parties suck, then start hammering away on the Democrats, leaving the glorious republican party alone. It's bullshit. Call it the way you see it- just admit you're a conservative and be done with it. Are you embarrassed to admit being a republican? I would be too.

[Jana]

My mother-in-law is in town, and she hates Obama. For the next few says I get to hear all about how much she hates this negro. She is a right-wing conservative and she says Obama is the antichrist.

I'll be the first to admit that Obama is as flawed as the next human, but the fucking antichrist? I'd like to get some of the shit that she's smoking, because it must be mind-blowing.

She blames every problem in America on Obama, from the illegal aliens to the oil spill to the poor economy. I'm like - c'mon, even this supernegro can't fix all the problems in the the USA!

Religion is worthless - all it does is cause arguments and controversy. Screw the damn superstitious end-times antichrist bullshit - what ever happened to using simple logic and reasoning?

Plus One.

[Rockindeano]

Oh yeah and Ginger,

Bush did know about bin Laden's desire to use planes as weapons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/16/polit ... ion=bottom

Read the entire article. Of course Fleischer says Bush had no idea of bin Laden wanting to use planes as a weapon, but an everyday Joe can see right through that bullshit.

[7 Wishes]

The President doesn't SPEND shit...the Congress does...which was controlled by...TADA...the Democrats back then...and had been for awhile. Maybe if you actually learned how our Government functions you would have some kind of clue.

Hey, genius - the Gipper actually proposed $165 billion MORE in spending during his Presidency than was pushed through by Congress. Nice try, Stu.

[Voyager]

My mother-in-law says Obama is a muslim and wasn't even born in the USA, but rather, in Saudi Arabia under the watch of the Bin Laden family. She says all of the "prophets" who speak in the churches she attends have said Obama is the anti-christ. She talks about these things like they are proven facts. How in the hell can you try to talk to someone like this and have an intelligent reasonable conversation? You can't. Their mind is made up due to the same thing that influenced the 911 hijackers - religious extremism.

I feel like saying, hey mom - c'mon downstairs and share some of your wicked ganja with me! That shit must be mind-altering!

[Rockindeano]

The President doesn't SPEND shit...the Congress does...which was controlled by...TADA...the Democrats back then...and had been for awhile. Maybe if you actually learned how our Government functions you would have some kind of clue.

Hey, genius - the Gipper actually proposed $165 billion MORE in spending during his Presidency than was pushed through by Congress. Nice try, Stu.

He is as bad as FF, c/p from republican/conservative rags like tada..the National review. Reagan is seen as a decent president, basically because he's dead. He and his trickle down shit started the downturn of American economics. It took Clinton to fix the Reagan/Bush catastrophe. But oh yeah, the Bush recession was Clinton's fault, I almost forgot.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey, genius - the Gipper actually proposed $165 billion MORE in spending during his Presidency than was pushed through by Congress. Nice try, Stu.

Reagan started out pretty conservative, but his draconian cuts led to the GOP losing seats so he swung to the middle - he went from wanting to cut social security to making it solvent for decades thru tax hikes.

[artist4perry]

Hey 7 fishes............I think I said both parties suck. I also said we need to stop arguing partisan politics and do what is best. Spending money frivilously will get us to end up like Greece. Or God forbid, someday re-live the days of "The Grapes of Wrath".

No Ginger, you say repeatedly that BOTH parties suck, then start hammering away on the Democrats, leaving the glorious republican party alone. It's bullshit. Call it the way you see it- just admit you're a conservative and be done with it. Are you embarrassed to admit being a republican? I would be too.

Sorry Deano I think I said I don't like Bush, and that he did stupid things. I am moderate conservative it is true. But I don't see bashing a Democrat President if he is doing a good job. I am not ashamed of being independent as a voter. I won't vote for a Republican that I think will be bad for the country. Both parties suck. Both do want they want and don't care what the country wants. Both are out of touch with the common man. I would rather throw both parties out. All they do is fight each other like you little darlings on here, and can't work together. Look how many posts that have been added to this subject? Have you convinced the people with opposing view point to "see the light? From my guess the answer is no. BOTH PARTIES SUCK..........


HAPPY FATHER'S DAY DEANO.........................

[7 Wishes]

Ginger, you do know how the economic crisis in Greece was caused, right? Because it had nothing to do with deficit spending (which is the only proven way to emerge from a deep recession). I touched on it a few pages back. The main culprit was deregulation.

[Rockindeano]

Hey, genius - the Gipper actually proposed $165 billion MORE in spending during his Presidency than was pushed through by Congress. Nice try, Stu.

Reagan started out pretty conservative, but his draconian cuts led to the GOP losing seats so he swung to the middle - he went from wanting to cut social security to making it solvent for decades thru tax hikes.

And to be fair, wasn't it that sonofabitch David Stockman who ran with the idea of cutting everything except the fuckin military?

[artist4perry]

Ginger, you do know how the economic crisis in Greece was caused, right? Because it had nothing to do with deficit spending (which is the only proven way to emerge from a deep recession). I touched on it a few pages back. The main culprit was deregulation.

Personally, I don't see how spending China's money like it has no end is going to all of a sudden make us out of hock. Common sense, spend more, less in your pocket. What we need to be doing is generating ways to make money not spend money............you guys have fun arguing.........I still like all of you, but I know it is a lost cause to get you to see things the way I see it, same as you probably won't get me to see how spending trillions (geez I can't even fathom that much money) , will get our country to all of a sudden boom economically............hasn't worked yet..........still waiting.............nope. Let me know when the economy is better and the deficits are paid off. I am going to take a nap!

Hugs guys...........Happy Father's day!

[Rockindeano]

Personally, I don't see how spending China's money like it has no end is going to all of a sudden make us out of hock. Common sense, spend more, less in your pocket.

Take an Econ class at your local community college and you will see why it's good to spend during a recession.

[Rockindeano]

Ginger, you do know how the economic crisis in Greece was caused, right? Because it had nothing to do with deficit spending (which is the only proven way to emerge from a deep recession). I touched on it a few pages back. The main culprit was deregulation.

Personally, I don't see how spending China's money like it has no end is going to all of a sudden make us out of hock. Common sense, spend more, less in your pocket. What we need to be doing is generating ways to make money not spend money............you guys have fun arguing.........I still like all of you, but I know it is a lost cause to get you to see things the way I see it, same as you probably won't get me to see how spending trillions (geez I can't even fathom that much money) , will get our country to all of a sudden boom economically............hasn't worked yet..........still waiting.............nope. Let me know when the economy is better and the deficits are paid off. I am going to take a nap!

Hugs guys...........Happy Father's day!

The economy IS better.

And oh by the way, the left has dominated this thread by leaps and bounds. Go look through this with an objective eye and you will see complete and utter domination. The right has skewed fact, spun their way through post after post and basically has resorted to c/p pictures. This is a complete asskicking here.

[artist4perry]

Ginger, you do know how the economic crisis in Greece was caused, right? Because it had nothing to do with deficit spending (which is the only proven way to emerge from a deep recession). I touched on it a few pages back. The main culprit was deregulation.

Personally, I don't see how spending China's money like it has no end is going to all of a sudden make us out of hock. Common sense, spend more, less in your pocket. What we need to be doing is generating ways to make money not spend money............you guys have fun arguing.........I still like all of you, but I know it is a lost cause to get you to see things the way I see it, same as you probably won't get me to see how spending trillions (geez I can't even fathom that much money) , will get our country to all of a sudden boom economically............hasn't worked yet..........still waiting.............nope. Let me know when the economy is better and the deficits are paid off. I am going to take a nap!

Hugs guys...........Happy Father's day!

The economy IS better.

And oh by the way, the left has dominated this thread by leaps and bounds. Go look through this with an objective eye and you will see complete and utter domination. The right has skewed fact, spun their way through post after post and basically has resorted to c/p pictures. This is a complete asskicking here.

O.K. Deano if you say so..........seems tit for tat to me. You have a great day! Get something from your toilet tank stash and enjoy!

[The_Noble_Cause]

And to be fair, wasn't it that sonofabitch David Stockman who ran with the idea of cutting everything except the fuckin military?

Not sure. I know Stockman was a big pusher of supply side. Like Bruce Bartlett and Paul Craig Roberts, (also economists who worked under Reagan), Stockman now apologizes and rejects his former voodoo/trickle down ways.

[treetopovskaya]

Oh yeah and Ginger,

Bush did know about bin Laden's desire to use planes as weapons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/16/polit ... ion=bottom

Read the entire article. Of course Fleischer says Bush had no idea of bin Laden wanting to use planes as a weapon, but an everyday Joe can see right through that bullshit.

yet even today people get passed security... knowing what we know. just goes to prove if people want to hurt others they will... just a matter of time before something like 9/11 or worse happens. it was pure luck that airliner on christmas day wasn't blown to bits.

[Saint John]

Ginger, you do know how the economic crisis in Greece was caused, right? Because it had nothing to do with deficit spending (which is the only proven way to emerge from a deep recession). I touched on it a few pages back. The main culprit was deregulation.

I have family in Greece and have been there 10 times. Greece is fucked because of cradle-to-grave benefits.

[artist4perry]

Oh yeah and Ginger,

Bush did know about bin Laden's desire to use planes as weapons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/16/polit ... ion=bottom

Read the entire article. Of course Fleischer says Bush had no idea of bin Laden wanting to use planes as a weapon, but an everyday Joe can see right through that bullshit.

yet even today people get passed security... knowing what we know. just goes to prove if people want to hurt others they will... just a matter of time before something like 9/11 or worse happens. it was pure luck that airliner on christmas day wasn't blown to bits.

Thanks........that was what I meant. We need to deal with bad situations like a nation. Pull together, take care of buisness, and help our neighbors any way we can. That is the way we handle things here. When tornados come, we don't just wait on the government. We set up shelters, gather blankets, clothes and whatever it takes to help those in need. If we waited for government to get around to doing their part, people would be hungry and homeless for quite some time.

[slucero]

Here's some more hilarity...

first remember that Mr. Obama said this in July of 09:

"State sovereignty must be a cornerstone of international order," said Mr Obama. "Just as all states should have the right to choose their leaders, states must have the right to borders that are secure, and to their own foreign policies. "Any system that cedes those rights will lead to anarchy. That is why this principle must apply to all nations - including Georgia and Ukraine."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... raine.html

This is from a June 18, 2010 town hall meeting of Senator John Kyl..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6qOtpNochU

[RossValoryRocks]

Ginger, you do know how the economic crisis in Greece was caused, right? Because it had nothing to do with deficit spending (which is the only proven way to emerge from a deep recession). I touched on it a few pages back. The main culprit was deregulation.

Personally, I don't see how spending China's money like it has no end is going to all of a sudden make us out of hock. Common sense, spend more, less in your pocket. What we need to be doing is generating ways to make money not spend money............you guys have fun arguing.........I still like all of you, but I know it is a lost cause to get you to see things the way I see it, same as you probably won't get me to see how spending trillions (geez I can't even fathom that much money) , will get our country to all of a sudden boom economically............hasn't worked yet..........still waiting.............nope. Let me know when the economy is better and the deficits are paid off. I am going to take a nap!

Hugs guys...........Happy Father's day!

The economy IS better.

And oh by the way, the left has dominated this thread by leaps and bounds. Go look through this with an objective eye and you will see complete and utter domination. The right has skewed fact, spun their way through post after post and basically has resorted to c/p pictures. This is a complete asskicking here.

Your drugged and alcohol addled brain is so far gone you are severely delusional. You are a complete fucking embarassment to yourself. The Dean of Tapegate would have actually backed up what he said about anything...and you are funny talking about being objective. You are so NOT objective it's sad.

Sure the conservatives cut and paste, it's called backing your position, you on the other hand just regurgitate the white house daily talking points as well as whatever MSNBC, the Huffington Post and whatever other left-wing, pinko info source you can.

Sad...my how the mighty have fallen.

[7 Wishes]

Stu, the opposite is true.

While we rely on government websites, raw data, and factually correct information, the conservatives on the board - exclusively - cut and paste from highly unreliable sources, most of them op-ed pieces.

You couldn't be further from the truth (again).

In a report released on Jan. 13, 2010, the president's Council of Economic Advisers estimated that between 1.77 million jobs and 2.07 million jobs were created or saved by the stimulus through the fourth quarter of 2009.

Separately, the council's report cited four independent analyses of the same question. These estimates were by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, as well by three private-sector economic-analysis firms. Here's what those groups found:

• CBO: Between 800,000 jobs (low estimate) and 2.4 million jobs (high estimate) saved or created.

• IHS/Global Insight: 1.25 million jobs saved or created.

• Macroeconomic Advisers: 1.06 million jobs saved or created.

• Moody's economy.com: 1.59 million jobs saved or created.

[slucero]

interesting how as of Jan. 13, 2010, the governments own data shows unemployment rising... through the 4th quarter of 2009.. thats a great trick.. "creating or saving" jobs while the BLS own data shows job loss increasing in the same period

(hint) you want the U-3 and U-6 data... http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln

[The_Noble_Cause]

Stu, the opposite is true.

While we rely on government websites, raw data, and factually correct information, the conservatives on the board - exclusively - cut and paste from highly unreliable sources, most of them op-ed pieces.

You couldn't be further from the truth (again).

I really don't get the hate towards HuffPo. Like Drudge, the majority of news is from straight sources (AP, Yahoo, Reuters). As long as you steer clear from the occasional Alec Baldwin or Barbara Streisand op-ed, it's a good resource.

[RossValoryRocks]

Stu, the opposite is true.

While we rely on government websites, raw data, and factually correct information, the conservatives on the board - exclusively - cut and paste from highly unreliable sources, most of them op-ed pieces.

You couldn't be further from the truth (again).

Complete and utter bullshit...you use the most left wing partisan sites, the things you SAY come from government sources are never actually sources from there.

You are an idiot. 100%...and that is the absolute truth.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Personally, I don't see how spending China's money like it has no end is going to all of a sudden make us out of hock. Common sense, spend more, less in your pocket.

Take an Econ class at your local community college and you will see why it's good to spend during a recession.

I dont agree -there are numberous economic reasons for doubting whether govt spending does anything to turn around and economy heres a few reasons


1. Lack of a mechanism to allocate the spending effectively and put it where it will do the most good. This is because the allocators (central government) lacks the the knowledge to understand what choices to make. This is because government activiy skews the only effective method discerning of who should get what and where and how much - microeconomic laws of pricing
2. The temporary nature of stimus- If you hire a crew of guys to build a bridge, they usually have enough common sense to realise that when the bridge is built their job is over. So instead of buying a new color TV for the house, they pick up a few more six packs on Friday night, and save a higher percentage of that pay for their inevitable upcoming period of unemployment. This was by the way also the exact problem with the one of early one off GW Bush tax cuts. Folks see whats coming when there's no long term and plan accordingly.
3. rent seeking activities - some private beneficiaries will act less than ethically - sit back and take the stimulus cash , and not go out and use to reinvest hire people. To them its a a one off lucky hit - cash it in and shove it in the bank and then go lookinf gor the next rent seeking opportunity
4. government official buy votes - send the money to build a new chicken coop at the Omaha Zoo becauese the senator from Nebraska will pick up a few votes - it isnt goint go create that many jobs though.
5. Government deficit and runaway spending needs to be paid for . If you rack up debt you have to pay for it in a number of way 1) Raise bonds and to attract investments interest rates need t orise to attact investment. Eventually this gets difficult if you coumtries credit rating gets cut due to hight debt (eg. greee) 2) let inflation hit the roof. (a debt of 100 dollars goes down in real terms if you have a inflation rate of 100 percent.
6. Stimulus efforts DONT have a particular track record of success - for example the Japaneses recession in the 1990's early 2000's - year after year of stimuls only led stagnation. Same with the massive ford stimulus in the 1970's, the Hoover/Roosevelt stimulus' of the early 1930's

[Rockindeano]

Stu, the opposite is true.

Thanks. I will never respond to that person again. Too bad, because like Tapegate, I was right then and he was wrong, and the same thing can be said regarding politics. He offers to wager on the House races, yet I smoked his sorry ass in a wager regarding the presidential race too, telling him Obama would win by 200 electoral college votes. I was off by only 2. The House will not be turning over to the GOP as he suggests. Yet I am the one with the drug and alcoholic brain.

[Rockindeano]

6. Stimulus efforts DONT have a particular track record of success - for example the Japaneses recession in the 1990's early 2000's - year after year of stimuls only led stagnation. Same with the massive ford stimulus in the 1970's, the Hoover/Roosevelt stimulus' of the early 1930's

Stimulus's don't work eh? Take a look at China. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05794.html

China has boomed due in direct effort to a 586B dollar stimulus.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

6. Stimulus efforts DONT have a particular track record of success - for example the Japaneses recession in the 1990's early 2000's - year after year of stimuls only led stagnation. Same with the massive ford stimulus in the 1970's, the Hoover/Roosevelt stimulus' of the early 1930's

Stimulus's don't work eh? Take a look at China. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05794.html

China has boomed due in direct effort to a 586B dollar stimulus.

I get a much diffferent impression from this article. sure the Chinese economy grew 8.7 percent. Of course you do have to remember the context- which is that the Chinese economy had been growing anywhere from 8- 20 percent GDP. The article also highlights the real problem of stimulus. In this case it worked in the immediate short term, but what happens when those central bank loans need to be repaid by those provinical authorities and theres nothing to repay those loans with because none of those white elephants - e.g the little regional airports no one is going to use dont earn the revenue they need to.

In fact one of the biggest socio- economic problems China faces is with uneven development - e.g Bejing Shanghai and its environ are booming, the regions are in are in squalor. That stimulus in the medium term is in fact going to make those regions in the medium term no better off, and the same inequality will exist.

[RossValoryRocks]

Stu, the opposite is true.

Thanks. I will never respond to that person again. Too bad, because like Tapegate, I was right then and he was wrong, and the same thing can be said regarding politics. He offers to wager on the House races, yet I smoked his sorry ass in a wager regarding the presidential race too, telling him Obama would win by 200 electoral college votes. I was off by only 2. The House will not be turning over to the GOP as he suggests. Yet I am the one with the drug and alcoholic brain.

Then put up the money asshole. And if you remember dickhead after McCain suspended his campaign to go back to Washington I agreed with your assessment. I also agreed with you after you produced the tape gate evidence. All you are is a fucking drunk glory-seeker and I am glad you wont respond.