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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:59 am

7 Wishes wrote:Stu, with all due respect, how can you possibly even suggest that? It's plain as day. There is no subjective interpretation of this one.


Because I know the UCMJ...I took enough classes on it in my 8 years as an MP...I know it better than say, YOU?

But if that isn't enough here:

http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/vi ... id/4241002

From the article:

"Michelle Lindo McCluer, director of the National Institute of Military Justice at American University Washington College of Law, said those comments, while disrespectful and ill-advised, did not qualify as "contempuous".

"The most inflammatory part of the Biden comment comes from an adviser, not Gen McChrystal," she said. "I'm hard-pressed to say that [McChrystal] violated article 88."

McCluer said that even the harsher comments made by McChrystal's aides do not qualify as insubordination."

Eugene Fidell, a military justice expert and professor at Yale University, agrees with McCluer's assessment.


Now...YOU ARE WRONG.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:08 pm

Read the rest of it.

The official or legislature against whom the words are used must be occupying one of the offices or be one of the legislatures named in Article 88 at the time of the offense. Neither “Congress” nor “legislature” includes its members individually. “Governor” does not include “lieutenant governor.” It is immaterial whether the words are used against the official in an official or private capacity. If not personally contemptuous, adverse criticism of one of the officials or legislatures named in the article in the course of a political discussion, even though emphatically expressed, may not be charged as a violation of the article.

Similarly, expressions of opinion made in a purely private conversation should not ordinarily be charged. Giving broad circulation to a written publication containing contemptuous words of the kind made punishable by this article, or the utterance of contemptuous words of this kind in the presence of military subordinates, aggravates the offense. The truth or falsity of the statements is immaterial.


He could also have been subject to Articles 80, 89, and 117.

Sorry, Stu. Whether or not you took courses that covered this is immaterial. He violated Article 88.
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Postby slucero » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:25 pm

It's right there in front of ya.... all you have to do is read it...


"If not personally contemptuous, adverse criticism of one of the officials or legislatures named in the article in the course of a political discussion, even though emphatically expressed, may not be charged as a violation of the article. "



"Michelle Lindo McCluer, director of the National Institute of Military Justice at American University Washington College of Law, said those comments, while disrespectful and ill-advised, did not qualify as "contempuous".

"The most inflammatory part of the Biden comment comes from an adviser, not Gen McChrystal," she said. "I'm hard-pressed to say that [McChrystal] violated article 88."

McCluer said that even the harsher comments made by McChrystal's aides do not qualify as insubordination."

Eugene Fidell, a military justice expert and professor at Yale University, agrees with McCluer's assessment.



No one is saying what he did wasn't stupid.. but it wasn't a violation of Article 88.. and while you are entitled to your PERSONAL opinion.. in this case... even an expert in military law says you are WRONG..
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:27 pm

7 Wishes wrote:Read the rest of it.

The official or legislature against whom the words are used must be occupying one of the offices or be one of the legislatures named in Article 88 at the time of the offense. Neither “Congress” nor “legislature” includes its members individually. “Governor” does not include “lieutenant governor.” It is immaterial whether the words are used against the official in an official or private capacity. If not personally contemptuous, adverse criticism of one of the officials or legislatures named in the article in the course of a political discussion, even though emphatically expressed, may not be charged as a violation of the article.

Similarly, expressions of opinion made in a purely private conversation should not ordinarily be charged. Giving broad circulation to a written publication containing contemptuous words of the kind made punishable by this article, or the utterance of contemptuous words of this kind in the presence of military subordinates, aggravates the offense. The truth or falsity of the statements is immaterial.


He could also have been subject to Articles 80, 89, and 117.

Sorry, Stu. Whether or not you took courses that covered this is immaterial. He violated Article 88.


You being a preimmenet University Professor versed in the intricacies of Military Law right??? So whatyou are saying the 2 PROFESSORS THAT TEACH IT ARE WRONG?

And I did read it all...and you really are an idiot.

I don't try and tell you how to train people...kindly don't tell me about the UCMJ...I didn't take COURSES in it...I was a MILITARY POLICE OFFICER, charged with enforcing the UCMJ DICKHEAD! I lived it and enforced it for 8 years of my life moron.
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Postby slucero » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:28 pm

I've read the whole article... TWICE... have you read it?

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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:29 pm

OK, Stu...you know what? I can read and interpret basic tenets of law. I went to grad school, too. If you saw me training a 90-year-old woman and I was telling her to deadlift 300 pounds, you would know damned well I was wrong, even if I am a CPT. Similarly, your having studied military law does not been you have exclusive rights or dominion over all and any interpretations of the law.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:30 pm

"21 Rules For Being A Good Republican"

1) You have to believe that the nation's 8-year unprecedented prosperity was
due to the work of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, but that today's gas prices
are all Clinton's fault.

2) You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all
on their own.

3) You have to be against government programs, but expect your Social
Security checks on time.

4) You have to believe that government should stay out of people's lives, yet
you want government to regulate only opposite-gender marriages, what a woman
does with her uterus, and what your official language should be.

5) You have to believe that pollution is OK so long as it makes a profit.

6) You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to
Allah or Buddha or the Goddess.

7) You have to believe that only your own teenagers are still virgins.

8) You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about
her own body, but that large multi-national corporations should have no
regulation or interference whatsoever.

9) You love Jesus and Jesus loves you and, by the way, Jesus shares your
hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Bill and Hillary Clinton.

10) You have to believe that society is color-blind and growing up black in
America doesn't diminish your opportunities, but you wouldn't vote for a
black candidate for president.

11) You have to believe that it was great to allow Ken Starr to spend $90
million dollars to attack Clinton because no other U.S. presidents have been
unfaithful to their wives.

12) You have to believe that a waiting period for purchasing a handgun is bad
because quick access to a new firearm is an important concern for all
Americans.

13) You have to believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we
all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.

14) You have to believe that the ACLU is bad because they defend the
Constitution, while the NRA is good because they defend the Constitution.

15) You have to believe that socialism hasn't worked anywhere, and that
Europe doesn't exist.

16) You have to believe the AIDS virus is not important enough to deserve
federal funding proportionate to the resulting death rate and that the public
doesn't need to be educated about it, because if we ignore it, it will go away.

17) You have to believe that biology teachers are corrupting the morals of
6th graders if they teach them the basics of human sexuality, but the Bible,
which is full of sex and violence, is good reading.

18) You have to believe that Chinese communist missiles have killed more
Americans than handguns, alcohol, and tobacco.

19) You have to believe that even though governments have supported the arts
for 5000 years and that most of the great works of Renaissance art were paid
for by governments, our government should shun any such support. After all,
the rich can afford to buy their own and the poor don't need any.

20) You have to believe that the lumber from the last one percent of old
growth U.S. forests is well worth the destruction of those forests and the
extinction of the several species of plants and animals in them because it
allows logging companies to add to their profit margin.

21) You have to believe that we should forgive and pray for Newt Gingrich,
Henry Hyde, and Bob Livingston for their marital infidelities, but that
bastard Clinton should have been impeached.
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:30 pm

7 Wishes wrote:OK, Stu...you know what? I can read and interpret basic tenets of law. I went to grad school, too. If you saw me training a 90-year-old woman and I was telling her to deadlift 300 pounds, you would know damned well I was wrong, even if I am a CPT. Similarly, your having studied military law does not been you have exclusive rights or dominion over all and any interpretations of the law.


ASSHOLE...I didn't JUST STUDY IT...I had to ENFORCE IT.

You know...like a COP has to know the law. Because I WAS A COP!

How about this?? Next time you are pulled over for speeding tell the cop that you know the law better than he/she does and that they are wrong...then come back and tell us about getting tasered and pepper sprayed...oh and tell us how the judge laughed at you.
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Postby AlteredDNA » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:31 pm

7 Wishes wrote:"21 Rules For Being A Good Republican"

1) You have to believe that the nation's 8-year unprecedented prosperity was
due to the work of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, but that today's gas prices
are all Clinton's fault.

2) You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all
on their own.

3) You have to be against government programs, but expect your Social
Security checks on time.

4) You have to believe that government should stay out of people's lives, yet
you want government to regulate only opposite-gender marriages, what a woman
does with her uterus, and what your official language should be.

5) You have to believe that pollution is OK so long as it makes a profit.

6) You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to
Allah or Buddha or the Goddess.

7) You have to believe that only your own teenagers are still virgins.

8) You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about
her own body, but that large multi-national corporations should have no
regulation or interference whatsoever.

9) You love Jesus and Jesus loves you and, by the way, Jesus shares your
hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Bill and Hillary Clinton.

10) You have to believe that society is color-blind and growing up black in
America doesn't diminish your opportunities, but you wouldn't vote for a
black candidate for president.

11) You have to believe that it was great to allow Ken Starr to spend $90
million dollars to attack Clinton because no other U.S. presidents have been
unfaithful to their wives.

12) You have to believe that a waiting period for purchasing a handgun is bad
because quick access to a new firearm is an important concern for all
Americans.

13) You have to believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we
all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.

14) You have to believe that the ACLU is bad because they defend the
Constitution, while the NRA is good because they defend the Constitution.

15) You have to believe that socialism hasn't worked anywhere, and that
Europe doesn't exist.

16) You have to believe the AIDS virus is not important enough to deserve
federal funding proportionate to the resulting death rate and that the public
doesn't need to be educated about it, because if we ignore it, it will go away.

17) You have to believe that biology teachers are corrupting the morals of
6th graders if they teach them the basics of human sexuality, but the Bible,
which is full of sex and violence, is good reading.

18) You have to believe that Chinese communist missiles have killed more
Americans than handguns, alcohol, and tobacco.

19) You have to believe that even though governments have supported the arts
for 5000 years and that most of the great works of Renaissance art were paid
for by governments, our government should shun any such support. After all,
the rich can afford to buy their own and the poor don't need any.

20) You have to believe that the lumber from the last one percent of old
growth U.S. forests is well worth the destruction of those forests and the
extinction of the several species of plants and animals in them because it
allows logging companies to add to their profit margin.

21) You have to believe that we should forgive and pray for Newt Gingrich,
Henry Hyde, and Bob Livingston for their marital infidelities, but that
bastard Clinton should have been impeached.


What a shock - the race card...surprised you didn't bump it up to number 1...

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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:32 pm

A sincere thank you for selflessly serving our great nation, Stu.

Nonetheless, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. It's a stalemate.
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Postby slucero » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:43 pm

7 Wishes wrote:A sincere thank you for selflessly serving our great nation, Stu.

Nonetheless, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. It's a stalemate.


I guess you didn't read the RS article then.. so you'd have an "informed" opinion...

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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:48 pm

7 Wishes wrote:"21 Rules For Being A Good Republican"

1) You have to believe that the nation's 8-year unprecedented prosperity was
due to the work of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, but that today's gas prices
are all Clinton's fault.


Nope...speculators


7 Wishes wrote:"
2) You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all
on their own.


Nope...but it actually HELPS to WANT to have success.

7 Wishes wrote:"
3) You have to be against government programs, but expect your Social
Security checks on time.


I think SS should be scrapped...it's nothing but a government run Ponzi scheme.

7 Wishes wrote:"
4) You have to believe that government should stay out of people's lives, yet
you want government to regulate only opposite-gender marriages, what a woman
does with her uterus, and what your official language should be.


I don't believe any of that...except I do think the official language of the US should be English.

7 Wishes wrote:"
5) You have to believe that pollution is OK so long as it makes a profit.


Nope...we need to be good stewards of the earth...but that doesn't mean we should allow ourselves to be hoodwinked by "Massage Boy" Gore either.

7 Wishes wrote:"
6) You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to
Allah or Buddha or the Goddess.


I do think we should have prayer in schools and I don't care who it is to.

7 Wishes wrote:"
7) You have to believe that only your own teenagers are still virgins.


Don't have teen agers yet...but this is why I am already lining up Convents....

7 Wishes wrote:"
8) You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about
her own body, but that large multi-national corporations should have no
regulation or interference whatsoever.


Ummm...I think the Government should stay out of EVERYTHING. The don't do anything but spend money and blow stuff up very well.

7 Wishes wrote:"
9) You love Jesus and Jesus loves you and, by the way, Jesus shares your
hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Bill and Hillary Clinton.


Wow...anti-christian much?? You and that crusty old twat OhSherrie must get along famously!

Don't hate any of those groups...can you say you don't hate?? No you can't...just read your own posts.

7 Wishes wrote:"
10) You have to believe that society is color-blind and growing up black in
America doesn't diminish your opportunities, but you wouldn't vote for a
black candidate for president.


NO ONE SAID LIFE WAS FAIR.

7 Wishes wrote:"
11) You have to believe that it was great to allow Ken Starr to spend $90
million dollars to attack Clinton because no other U.S. presidents have been
unfaithful to their wives.


It was about him GETTING a blow job...it was about him LYING about getting a blow job. Yet another liberal fallacy.

7 Wishes wrote:"
12) You have to believe that a waiting period for purchasing a handgun is bad
because quick access to a new firearm is an important concern for all
Americans.


No...I believe that it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL for them to do so.

7 Wishes wrote:"
13) You have to believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we
all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.


Pass them out all you like! Provided it is also taught that they should probably wait until they are mature enough to make a smart decision.

7 Wishes wrote:"
14) You have to believe that the ACLU is bad because they defend the
Constitution, while the NRA is good because they defend the Constitution.


The ACLU has it's moments that they are REALLY on the side of freedom...not many...but some.

7 Wishes wrote:"
15) You have to believe that socialism hasn't worked anywhere, and that
Europe doesn't exist.


See Greece lately??? Retire at 54 with FULL wages as a pension?? Seen how all the social programs in Europe are going broke? Naww...move on...nothing to see here.


7 Wishes wrote:"
16) You have to believe the AIDS virus is not important enough to deserve
federal funding proportionate to the resulting death rate and that the public
doesn't need to be educated about it, because if we ignore it, it will go away.


Well here is one where George W. should be loved by you; He spent more money that any previous President on AIDS. Especially in regards to Africa.

7 Wishes wrote:"
17) You have to believe that biology teachers are corrupting the morals of
6th graders if they teach them the basics of human sexuality, but the Bible,
which is full of sex and violence, is good reading.


Nope...gotta teach both sides though.

7 Wishes wrote:"
18) You have to believe that Chinese communist missiles have killed more
Americans than handguns, alcohol, and tobacco.


Not yet...but the century is young...and our monetary debt to them is vast...

7 Wishes wrote:"
19) You have to believe that even though governments have supported the arts
for 5000 years and that most of the great works of Renaissance art were paid
for by governments, our government should shun any such support. After all,
the rich can afford to buy their own and the poor don't need any.


I think then when we can afford it and it has a redeeming social value sure...but a crucifix in jar of urine doesn't deserve MY MONEY.

7 Wishes wrote:"
20) You have to believe that the lumber from the last one percent of old
growth U.S. forests is well worth the destruction of those forests and the
extinction of the several species of plants and animals in them because it
allows logging companies to add to their profit margin.


TREES ARE A RENEWABLE RESOURCE!! As long as they plant as many or MORE than they take I don't have any issue with it. Unless you want to live in mud and waddle housing.


7 Wishes wrote:"
21) You have to believe that we should forgive and pray for Newt Gingrich,
Henry Hyde, and Bob Livingston for their marital infidelities, but that
bastard Clinton should have been impeached.


I do pray for them, and for Clinton, and he was impeach for LYING about the infidelity, not acutally COMMITTING IT!
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:50 pm

7 Wishes wrote:A sincere thank you for selflessly serving our great nation, Stu.

Nonetheless, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. It's a stalemate.


Thank you...it was honor and priviledge to do so!

Let us look at this....a military police officer and 2 distinguished professors of military law say you are wrong...and it is a stalemate???

Dude...get a grip...you are so wrong it is not even funny...and I think EVERYONE here knows it...except you....
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:02 pm

ASSOCIATED PRESS

A retired senior army officer said:

Any senior officer I know anything about would never tolerate members of his staff making the kinds of remarks reported, and he certainly wouldn’t have said those kinds of things even among his close staff, much less in front of a reporter. If the report is accurate, the president shouldn’t relieve McChrystal; Gates should do it and do it quickly.
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Postby slucero » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:59 pm

7 Wishes wrote:ASSOCIATED PRESS

A retired senior army officer said:

Any senior officer I know anything about would never tolerate members of his staff making the kinds of remarks reported, and he certainly wouldn’t have said those kinds of things even among his close staff, much less in front of a reporter. If the report is accurate, the president shouldn’t relieve McChrystal; Gates should do it and do it quickly.


I don't think anyone here is arguing that what McChrystal did wasn't stupid or that he did not deserve to be relieved...

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Postby ohsherrie » Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:14 am

7 Wishes wrote:Wow, that really is incriminating. :roll:

Rahm is beginning to come across as a self-absorbed, petulant, narcissistic asshole, though.


I've always thought he was a bit smarmy.
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Postby Jana » Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:29 am

slucero wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:ASSOCIATED PRESS

A retired senior army officer said:

Any senior officer I know anything about would never tolerate members of his staff making the kinds of remarks reported, and he certainly wouldn’t have said those kinds of things even among his close staff, much less in front of a reporter. If the report is accurate, the president shouldn’t relieve McChrystal; Gates should do it and do it quickly.


I don't think anyone here is arguing that what McChrystal did wasn't stupid or that he did not deserve to be relieved...


No. I've see many on both side, Rep and Dem, that thought he should have stayed. But once Petraeus was announced, everyone was on board with that. From what I've read from those in the military, like you posted, they agreed his conduct was aggregious and he needed to be relieved.
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Postby slucero » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:25 am

Jana wrote:
slucero wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:ASSOCIATED PRESS

A retired senior army officer said:

Any senior officer I know anything about would never tolerate members of his staff making the kinds of remarks reported, and he certainly wouldn’t have said those kinds of things even among his close staff, much less in front of a reporter. If the report is accurate, the president shouldn’t relieve McChrystal; Gates should do it and do it quickly.


I don't think anyone here is arguing that what McChrystal did wasn't stupid or that he did not deserve to be relieved...


No. I've see many on both side, Rep and Dem, that thought he should have stayed. But once Petraeus was announced, everyone was on board with that. From what I've read from those in the military, like you posted, they agreed his conduct was aggregious and he needed to be relieved.


Right. We all agree that McChrystal's actions were stupid and that resignation was his only option. Except for 7W, who insists that McChrystal's actions were criminal... yet he never even read the article...

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Postby ohsherrie » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:37 am

When the Bush disaster was still being perpetrated upon this country and several of us, many the same as those in this thread, were speaking out against his lies that got us into Iraq another poster who is also in this thread said we should be arrested and tried for treason because our comments made our country weaker in the eyes of our enemies.

Funny how that poster doesn't see it that way when it's a soldier who is under the command of the Commander in Chief making cracks in a magazine.
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Postby slucero » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:58 am

ohsherrie wrote:When the Bush disaster was still being perpetrated upon this country and several of us, many the same as those in this thread, were speaking out against his lies that got us into Iraq another poster who is also in this thread said we should be arrested and tried for treason because our comments made our country weaker in the eyes of our enemies.

Funny how that poster doesn't see it that way when it's a soldier who is under the command of the Commander in Chief making cracks in a magazine.



Passive-aggressively "Calling somebody out" by not calling them out is pretty weak. (Even Deano calls people on their shit)

- Grow some balls...
- Say who it is..
- Reference the post where they said that

.. and allow them to "man up" and admit it...

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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:16 am

slucero wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:When the Bush disaster was still being perpetrated upon this country and several of us, many the same as those in this thread, were speaking out against his lies that got us into Iraq another poster who is also in this thread said we should be arrested and tried for treason because our comments made our country weaker in the eyes of our enemies.

Funny how that poster doesn't see it that way when it's a soldier who is under the command of the Commander in Chief making cracks in a magazine.



Passive-aggressively "Calling somebody out" by not calling them out is pretty weak. (Even Deano calls people on their shit)

- Grow some balls...
- Say who it is..
- Reference the post where they said that

.. and allow them to "man up" and admit it...

She's talking about me. Of course. And I did say that and I stick by my previous assessment.

And NO WHERE did I say MCCHRYSTAL should be excused for his words just that is wasn't article 88 worthy.

The crusty old skank needs to learn to read.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:11 am

OS, I agree you should call the person out...For the record, I thought it was donna but she wouldn't use the word 'treason.' Anyway, the hateful name calling directed at you is a bit over the top. Yes I do it, but I don't include the hate and nastiness that is currently being utilized by a person. Don't worry about it, I am receiving it too, but I can care less. So far I have a drug and alcohol middled brain...seems he picked that up from that shitty bass player in Journey, who also called me a cokehead. :lol: :roll: Anyway, I give you props OS for helping to expose these liars as they spin their way to oblivion. As for the name calling, let that shit go...even though it's extremely nasty, it's only a name. Funny how donna suggests that dropping name calling takes away from a person's point, yet has yet to get on one her own in this thread.

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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:56 am

Rockindeano wrote:OS, I agree you should call the person out...For the record, I thought it was donna but she wouldn't use the word 'treason.' Anyway, the hateful name calling directed at you is a bit over the top. Yes I do it, but I don't include the hate and nastiness that is currently being utilized by a person. Don't worry about it, I am receiving it too, but I can care less. So far I have a drug and alcohol middled brain...seems he picked that up from that shitty bass player in Journey, who also called me a cokehead. :lol: :roll: Anyway, I give you props OS for helping to expose these liars as they spin their way to oblivion. As for the name calling, let that shit go...even though it's extremely nasty, it's only a name. Funny how donna suggests that dropping name calling takes away from a person's point, yet has yet to get on one her own in this thread.

LOL at the republicans. Too much.


You don't include the hate and nastiness??? LOL

Now...as for lying...the BIGGEST LIAR on here is YOU Dean. Ross never called you a "cokehead"...

Here is the interview that you got all torqued off about:

http://www.getreadytorock.com/rock_stars/journey.htm

"It turns out the person who stirred up the tape issue is not a journalist and didn't have the correct information. It appears to me some people have too much time on their hands, sometimes fans can be over-obsessed with the band of their dreams and they can get to be too imaginative or creative in order to provoke a response. It's like they're clutching at straws, and even inventing those straws! I don't, of course, wish to disparage the bulk of our fans."

Yeah...he said you weren't a journalist...now unless your supposed Poli Sci degree changed to a Degree in Journalism and/or you have been hired to work for MSNBC or some newspaper...he is correct.

Anyone here can go back through all the posts and see how many times you refer to being drunk and trashed.

I have some damning info about controlled substances and your request for them that if you REALLY want me to share them I will. Then again there are multiple posts here where you refer to your love of vicodin, so maybe everyone already knows? But otherwise I would shut your pie hole.

I wish I could be laughing like you...but it is SAD how low you have become. "You could have been a contender," but you are just a PRETENDER.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:49 pm

Stu, that's actually a pretty funny Top 10. See? I can laugh at myself.

Although I have shown irrefutable proof many times in the past that Republicans have increased the size of the Federal Government three times as much than have the Democrats. Also, job creation and growth has increased under Democrats at a much higher rate than the GOP. Dubbya managed to preside over a net job loss in eight years - the first President since Hoover to do so.
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
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Postby Lula » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:19 pm

No shortage of nastiness here. Sad really.
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Postby Triple S » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:42 pm

treetopovskaya wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote: As for allies in Afganistan, doesn't the US have it's two best friends there, in the UK and Canada?


Canada ... :lol: . What the fuck did they send ... a goalie and a case of fucking Molson???


HAHA! }:C)


Yeah, that's hilarious :roll: - tell that joke to the families of the 148 Canadian men & women (since 2002) who have lost their lives in Afghanistan.
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Postby SherriBerry » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:57 pm

Triple S wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote: As for allies in Afganistan, doesn't the US have it's two best friends there, in the UK and Canada?


Canada ... :lol: . What the fuck did they send ... a goalie and a case of fucking Molson???


HAHA! }:C)


Yeah, that's hilarious :roll: - tell that joke to the families of the 148 Canadian men & women (since 2002) who have lost their lives in Afghanistan.


Canada was the first ally to come to the defense of the United States after 9/11 and the only friend who has never wavered in its mission to fight terrorism - we have given more and sacrificed more than any other ally the US still has left and we are still there. If that is what Saint John and treetopskaya think of the sacrifices of Canadian lives, they are free to go to Afghanistan and risk their own lives fighting those who attacked their country.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:20 pm

Triple S wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:
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Rockindeano wrote: As for allies in Afganistan, doesn't the US have it's two best friends there, in the UK and Canada?


Canada ... :lol: . What the fuck did they send ... a goalie and a case of fucking Molson???


HAHA! }:C)


Yeah, that's hilarious :roll: - tell that joke to the families of the 148 Canadian men & women (since 2002) who have lost their lives in Afghanistan.


148? Unfortunate, but it could have been far worse if that country actually had a military. Seems like a win to me.
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