President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:12 am

RedWingFan wrote:Granted, with the current president screwing everything up...I could only wish to be fucked by Clinton again. :lol:

Can you name one substantive issue on which Clinton would have governed differently from Obama? – especially given the guiding invisible hand of Rahm Emanuel in both administrations, as well as Clinton’s healthcare plan being to the left of Obamacare? Here’s what I think – you’d be raving about socialism and communism no matter what Democrat occupies the office. You’ll finally go off script the day Limbaugh chokes on his own blue viagra vomit (maybe).
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Postby ohsherrie » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:20 am

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OS, must have been doped up on all the sugary bullshit she was fed she don't even remember being bent over and taking it in the shorts. Granted, with the current president screwing everything up...I could only wish to be fucked by Clinton again. :lol:



I'm not one of those people who thinks it's all about me and that couple extra $$ a week that might come out of my paycheck. I really don't mind paying a few hundred more a year in taxes if it helps the overall economy of this country because in the long run everyone benefits more from a healthy economy than from those extra Big Macks, six packs and Starbucks coffee they buy with that extra few dollars a week. I guess that's one reason I could never be rethug. I'm just not selfish enough.

As a matter of fact, Bush's tax breaks for the companies that moved jobs out of the country hurt me financially a lot more when my husband lost his job than any of President Clinton's tax hikes. I can't think of a better way to describe the difference between the Democratic and the rethug philosophies than this:


Warren Buffett, Bill Gates to billionaires: Give away at least half your money!

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2010/0 ... z0s4QN00CD


I don't see many of those corporate crooks that Bush made richer jumping on board with them.


Oh and by the way, why is it you people always go on a tangent digging up irrelevant bullshit like those quotes when 7, TNC or I confront you with undeniable statistics related to the economy and which party has governed more responsibly?

But then, I guess when the only thing you care about is that few extra dollars that might come out of your pocket such trivialities probably are all important to you.

Wait a minute here, you are the people who have benefited from President Obama's tax cuts. Oh well, I guess there really is no way to fathom the murky inner workings of a rethug mind.
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Postby treetopovskaya » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:44 am

SherriBerry wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:
Jana wrote:
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Triple S wrote:
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Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote: As for allies in Afganistan, doesn't the US have it's two best friends there, in the UK and Canada?


Canada ... :lol: . What the fuck did they send ... a goalie and a case of fucking Molson???


HAHA! }:C)


Yeah, that's hilarious :roll: - tell that joke to the families of the 148 Canadian men & women (since 2002) who have lost their lives in Afghanistan.


Canada was the first ally to come to the defense of the United States after 9/11 and the only friend who has never wavered in its mission to fight terrorism - we have given more and sacrificed more than any other ally the US still has left and we are still there. If that is what Saint John and treetopskaya think of the sacrifices of Canadian lives, they are free to go to Afghanistan and risk their own lives fighting those who attacked their country.


Great post. :wink:


whoa whoa whoa... hold on just a second... it was a joke... no where in dan's comment did he make fun of anyone dying. since canada is known for hockey & me being a HUGE hockey fan (especially the goalies) i thought it was funny. it was a stupid JOKE.

i LOVE canada. }:C)


Well, he doesn't have to specifically make fun of anyone dying - that's what happens in a war zone. Denigrating our military and our efforts as a US ally in Afghanistan are self-evident. What did we send? Brave and committed soldiers who have given their lives fighting those who harboured the terrorists who attacked the US. We lost two more soldiers today, bringing our total to 150. We mourn our fallen soldiers and honour their sacrifice - we don't appreciate them being mocked by Americans like Dan. What did he ever send there?


prolly something from his parents basement & some pizza.

i really didn't take what he said so serious. it would be like me asking what did minnesota send over? mini donuts & a goat? i took it more like him stereotyping canada... hockey & beer.

anyway... i apologize if i hurt anyone's feelings.
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Postby Triple S » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:30 am

treetopovskaya wrote:
prolly something from his parents basement & some pizza.

i really didn't take what he said so serious. it would be like me asking what did minnesota send over? mini donuts & a goat? i took it more like him stereotyping canada... hockey & beer.

anyway... i apologize if i hurt anyone's feelings.


Tree - not so much the original comment, unfunny as it was to us (and I love hockey too :wink: ) but this:

Saint John wrote:148? Unfortunate, but it could have been far worse if that country actually had a military. Seems like a win to me.


Anyway, thanks for apologizing.
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:54 am

Triple S wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:
prolly something from his parents basement & some pizza.

i really didn't take what he said so serious. it would be like me asking what did minnesota send over? mini donuts & a goat? i took it more like him stereotyping canada... hockey & beer.

anyway... i apologize if i hurt anyone's feelings.


Tree - not so much the original comment, unfunny as it was to us (and I love hockey too :wink: ) but this:

Saint John wrote:148? Unfortunate, but it could have been far worse if that country actually had a military. Seems like a win to me.


Anyway, thanks for apologizing.


What Dan said was deplorable. If you remember back to the early days of what is perhaps becoming the longest war in history, 4 Canadians were killed by American friendly fire, as evidence suggested that the US pilots were too fatigued and were taking caffeine/stimulus pills. All we got was an half assed apology from the US Government. Gee, thanks guys. :roll: What did Canada do? Stayed in the ballgame is what they did. I don't think Dan has any idea how tough the Canadian military is. Serve for a day and then get back to me Dan. Canada is America's number 1 ally, and should be grateful.

Hugely disappointed in his comment and can only hope he was joking. Dan is better than this. I give him the benefit of the doubt.

PS- This is not a US bashing post, but rather a shout of respect to the Government and people of Canada.
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Postby SherriBerry » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:32 am

Triple S wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:
prolly something from his parents basement & some pizza.

i really didn't take what he said so serious. it would be like me asking what did minnesota send over? mini donuts & a goat? i took it more like him stereotyping canada... hockey & beer.

anyway... i apologize if i hurt anyone's feelings.


Tree - not so much the original comment, unfunny as it was to us (and I love hockey too :wink: ) but this:

Saint John wrote:148? Unfortunate, but it could have been far worse if that country actually had a military. Seems like a win to me.


Anyway, thanks for apologizing.


Thanks Tree - the apology is appreciated.
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Postby Saint John » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:03 am

Triple S wrote:A win? Once again, your attempt at humor at the expense of human suffering has failed miserably.


Not trying to be funny at all. 148 people is a miniscule amount relative to the safety and military options afforded to Canada by being an ally on the U.S. Their help, whatever the scope of it is, is appreciated.



Triple S wrote:No-one is laughing (well, maybe a few of your sheeple think it's funny). Come talk to my friend whose daughter has been stationed in Afghanistan off and on for the last 7 years and tell her it's 'unfortunate' or a 'win'.


I'm not laughing, nor have I ever, about the military lives lost by the U.S. and its allies. Not ever once. You're trying to use heart strings to try and make my post something it isn't.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:21 am

People have forgotten Moldova committed 24 troops to the Iraq Multi-National Force. Thank God for them and the 40 Estonians.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:09 pm

Without Leostho's 52 shock troopers we never would have even taken Basra.
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Postby Don » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:38 pm

The UK has 10,000 Troops over there. Where's the love?
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Postby ohsherrie » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:08 am

Fact Finder wrote:FY2007 $160 billion budget deficit — Bush and Republican Congress

FY2008 $454 billion budget deficit — Bush and Democratic Congress

FY2009 $1.4 TRILLION budget deficit — Obama and Democratic Congress

FY2010 $1.8 TRILLION projected budget deficit — Obama and Democratic Congress



If Bush hadn't left the economy sinking like the Titanic Obama wouldn't have had to send out all the financial life boats to keep us alive. Do you people really not get that, or do you think you can change reality by ignoring it? Well, actually that's what you must do because if you really "got it" you couldn't continue to close you mind to the truth.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:46 am

http://gawker.com/312970/randi-rhodes-i ... -irish-bar

Remember that dope Randi Rhodes' claim she was mugged a couple of years back? Possibly by a bunch of right wing wackos? Turns out it was 14 bloody marys that did the trick.
Here's the youtube clip of her show that no one listened to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGdR3iEGSMQ

Love this comment made on the youtube clip...I swear it'd fit what a lib here on MR would say. lol!!!

"One time I drank 14 beers, and Blackwater thugs peed in my pants and threw up all over me. True story."
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Postby 7 Wishes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:59 am

FF, for one of the few times, we actually agree on something. I do think Obama has not handled this catastrophe well at all. At times it's been somewhat embarrassing.

This does NOT mean Bush should not be held over the fire for the spectre of his deregulation and how it allowed this to happen in the first place.

They're both bunglers - they both contributed to the breadth and scope of this disaster and should both be held accountable.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:26 am

RedWingFan wrote:http://gawker.com/312970/randi-rhodes-i-was-watching-football-at-an-irish-bar

Remember that dope Randi Rhodes' claim she was mugged a couple of years back? Possibly by a bunch of right wing wackos? Turns out it was 14 bloody marys that did the trick.
Here's the youtube clip of her show that no one listened to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGdR3iEGSMQ

Love this comment made on the youtube clip...I swear it'd fit what a lib here on MR would say. lol!!!

"One time I drank 14 beers, and Blackwater thugs peed in my pants and threw up all over me. True story."


Not a Rhodes fan, but this story is seriously old. Has there been an update or something?
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:41 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:http://gawker.com/312970/randi-rhodes-i-was-watching-football-at-an-irish-bar

Remember that dope Randi Rhodes' claim she was mugged a couple of years back? Possibly by a bunch of right wing wackos? Turns out it was 14 bloody marys that did the trick.
Here's the youtube clip of her show that no one listened to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGdR3iEGSMQ

Love this comment made on the youtube clip...I swear it'd fit what a lib here on MR would say. lol!!!

"One time I drank 14 beers, and Blackwater thugs peed in my pants and threw up all over me. True story."


Not a Rhodes fan, but this story is seriously old. Has there been an update or something?

I think she just now admitted to the 14 bloody marys is all.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:50 am

RedWingFan wrote:I think she just now admitted to the 14 bloody marys is all.


Half the time she sounds like a lewd drunk. Best left wing radio talkers are either Thom Hartmann or Alan Colmes. Mike Malloy, pretty much the left wing version of the psychotic Michael Savage, is also worth a few laughs.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:49 am

ohsherrie wrote:If Bush hadn't left the economy sinking like the Titanic Obama wouldn't have had to send out all the financial life boats to keep us alive. Do you people really not get that, or do you think you can change reality by ignoring it? Well, actually that's what you must do because if you really "got it" you couldn't continue to close you mind to the truth.


And if President Clinton hadn't passed multiple times on the chance to kill Bin Laden, Al Qaida wouldn't have been on the 1 yard line when President Bush took office.

Regardless, the fact remains that we're over 17 months into the sock monkey's term and nothing he has promised has come true. He promised to bring back the jobs lost in 2007 and 2008 in his first year. Fail. He promised to be fiscally responsible, control spending and to go line for line and strike out pork in the Tarp bill. Fail. He promised transparent government. Fail. He promised to reduce the deficit by 50% in his first term. (Richard Dawson voice ...) Survey says ... Fail!.

At no time, ever, do I remember him saying that things were being left to him in such shambles that after more than 1/3rd of his term gone, we would be worse off than ever. Boy, Wall Street seems really impressed. Check out the market lately. But it gets better ... the proposed budget for 2011($3.85 trillion )given to congress will be the largest ever in our history if passed by congress.

The simple facts remain that Obama and present-day democrats took full control of congress in January of 2007 and had a lame duck president in George Bush in 2008, and this country has been circling the fucking drain ever since. It's illogical, irresponsible and impossible to blame then-president Bush for everything that happened while glossing over which party had full control of congress at the time. They, too, must shoulder a large share of responsibility. Something you never want to acknowledge.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:06 am

For those that care, here's the full listing (26 pages in all) of O's campaign promises - and whether they've been broken or fulfilled.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:22 pm

Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:If Bush hadn't left the economy sinking like the Titanic Obama wouldn't have had to send out all the financial life boats to keep us alive. Do you people really not get that, or do you think you can change reality by ignoring it? Well, actually that's what you must do because if you really "got it" you couldn't continue to close you mind to the truth.


And if President Clinton hadn't passed multiple times on the chance to kill Bin Laden, Al Qaida wouldn't have been on the 1 yard line when President Bush took office.

Regardless, the fact remains that we're over 17 months into the sock monkey's term and nothing he has promised has come true. He promised to bring back the jobs lost in 2007 and 2008 in his first year. Fail. He promised to be fiscally responsible, control spending and to go line for line and strike out pork in the Tarp bill. Fail. He promised transparent government. Fail. He promised to reduce the deficit by 50% in his first term. (Richard Dawson voice ...) Survey says ... Fail!.

At no time, ever, do I remember him saying that things were being left to him in such shambles that after more than 1/3rd of his term gone, we would be worse off than ever. Boy, Wall Street seems really impressed. Check out the market lately. But it gets better ... the proposed budget for 2011($3.85 trillion )given to congress will be the largest ever in our history if passed by congress.

The simple facts remain that Obama and present-day democrats took full control of congress in January of 2007 and had a lame duck president in George Bush in 2008, and this country has been circling the fucking drain ever since. It's illogical, irresponsible and impossible to blame then-president Bush for everything that happened while glossing over which party had full control of congress at the time. They, too, must shoulder a large share of responsibility. Something you never want to acknowledge.



Brilliant post. I agree 100% on the Obama stats. Obama has failed big time and I hope he is a one term president. Enough already. God how I wish Hillary would have won. The only way I will vote for Obama is if Palin is the GOP nominee. We can't let her become president. But yeah Dan, screw Obama.
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Postby slucero » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:38 pm

The "Obameter"... lmao..

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The Obameter Scorecard

Promise Kept 118
Compromise 36
Promise Broken 19
Stalled 81
In the Works 248
Not yet rated 3

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Postby Jana » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:32 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:If Bush hadn't left the economy sinking like the Titanic Obama wouldn't have had to send out all the financial life boats to keep us alive. Do you people really not get that, or do you think you can change reality by ignoring it? Well, actually that's what you must do because if you really "got it" you couldn't continue to close you mind to the truth.


And if President Clinton hadn't passed multiple times on the chance to kill Bin Laden, Al Qaida wouldn't have been on the 1 yard line when President Bush took office.

Regardless, the fact remains that we're over 17 months into the sock monkey's term and nothing he has promised has come true. He promised to bring back the jobs lost in 2007 and 2008 in his first year. Fail. He promised to be fiscally responsible, control spending and to go line for line and strike out pork in the Tarp bill. Fail. He promised transparent government. Fail. He promised to reduce the deficit by 50% in his first term. (Richard Dawson voice ...) Survey says ... Fail!.

At no time, ever, do I remember him saying that things were being left to him in such shambles that after more than 1/3rd of his term gone, we would be worse off than ever. Boy, Wall Street seems really impressed. Check out the market lately. But it gets better ... the proposed budget for 2011($3.85 trillion )given to congress will be the largest ever in our history if passed by congress.

The simple facts remain that Obama and present-day democrats took full control of congress in January of 2007 and had a lame duck president in George Bush in 2008, and this country has been circling the fucking drain ever since. It's illogical, irresponsible and impossible to blame then-president Bush for everything that happened while glossing over which party had full control of congress at the time. They, too, must shoulder a large share of responsibility. Something you never want to acknowledge.



Brilliant post. I agree 100% on the Obama stats. Obama has failed big time and I hope he is a one term president. Enough already. God how I wish Hillary would have won. The only way I will vote for Obama is if Palin is the GOP nominee. We can't let her become president. But yeah Dan, screw Obama.


I don't feel that way yet. He came into a difficult situation, but definitely hasn't lived up to the potential I thought he had. I will still give him more time and support, just like I did George W his first term. But Hillary was my gal, and I believe she would have been an amazing president. :cry:
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Postby donnaplease » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:39 pm

Jana wrote:
I don't feel that way yet. He came into a difficult situation, but definitely hasn't lived up to the potential I thought he had. I will still give him more time and support, just like I did George W his first term. But Hillary was my gal, and I believe she would have been an amazing president. :cry:


I think she is/was certainly more capable, but I don't know if she would've gotten the political support that BO has gotten, simply because she is a woman and is kinda known as a ball-buster bitchy type. I don't think Palin will ever have what it takes to be a president, and I pray that she doesn't jump into the fray in '12. I always thought Bobby Jindal would wind up there somehow, and now I think that he is getting enough press to become more known, so those chances are higher. I've only really heard one person criticize his handling of this crisis so far.

Dean and others... do you think at this point Obama will even try for a second term? Would the democratic party ever consider putting someone out there to challenge him if they thought he had no chance to win, or is that even possible, since I guess he's considered the head of that party?
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Postby donnaplease » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:45 pm

Jana wrote:
He came into a difficult situation, but definitely hasn't lived up to the potential I thought he had. I will still give him more time and support, just like I did George W his first term. But Hillary was my gal, and I believe she would have been an amazing president. :cry:


Actually, Jana, I think he has lived up to his potential. I believe he just doesn't have the experience to hold the highest office in our land, so his potential was always limited in my eyes. If he had more years in the senate or other lower office, I believe he would've been more capable. Hilary didn't really have any more senate experience, but her life experiences certainly gave her some credibility that BO could've only dreamed of.

Mark Warner would be an interesting choice for the dems.
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Postby Jana » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:18 pm

donnaplease wrote:
Jana wrote:
I don't feel that way yet. He came into a difficult situation, but definitely hasn't lived up to the potential I thought he had. I will still give him more time and support, just like I did George W his first term. But Hillary was my gal, and I believe she would have been an amazing president. :cry:


I think she is/was certainly more capable, but I don't know if she would've gotten the political support that BO has gotten, simply because she is a woman and is kinda known as a ball-buster bitchy type. I don't think Palin will ever have what it takes to be a president, and I pray that she doesn't jump into the fray in '12. I always thought Bobby Jindal would wind up there somehow, and now I think that he is getting enough press to become more known, so those chances are higher. I've only really heard one person criticize his handling of this crisis so far.

Dean and others... do you think at this point Obama will even try for a second term? Would the democratic party ever consider putting someone out there to challenge him if they thought he had no chance to win, or is that even possible, since I guess he's considered the head of that party?


At this point, absolutely he will try for a second term. He still has a lot of support. Check back later in his term.

Re your comments on Hillary, that's why, as Obama proved himself more in debates later in the race (Hillary made him raise his game b/c she knew her stuff) I eventually backed him (especially after McCain went insane and picked Palin and his being out of touch re the economy in the midst of financial collapses. I had zero faith in McCain anymore. Telling us we need someone with experience to run the country (the thing he had huge over Obama) and then to pick Palin as VP, when at the age he is, a real likelihood she might need to step in. Shoot me.

I came to accept that Obama was what the country needed at such a frightening time, even though I was devastated Hillary wasn't in. Obama giving her the SOS position made the loss go down easier. But I believe the way she has proven herself over these last years and has much respect from both sides on working with her, that she would have been effective and given the respect and support she deserved. But that's all supposition. We'll never know. And she says absolutely she will never run again.

Jindal doesn't have a chance IMO. I still say Mitt Romney would make a really good president. I have a lot of respect for him.
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Postby ohsherrie » Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:42 am

Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:If Bush hadn't left the economy sinking like the Titanic Obama wouldn't have had to send out all the financial life boats to keep us alive. Do you people really not get that, or do you think you can change reality by ignoring it? Well, actually that's what you must do because if you really "got it" you couldn't continue to close you mind to the truth.


And if President Clinton hadn't passed multiple times on the chance to kill Bin Laden, Al Qaida wouldn't have been on the 1 yard line when President Bush took office.


It was Bush who, as shown on 60 minutes, stopped them from getting Bin Laden in Afghanistan when they had him in their sites three times. He never intended to kill Bin Laden because the Bin Laden family are friends of the Bush family. All he ever wanted to do was get into Iraq and he used 9/11 as an excuse to do so.

Regardless, the fact remains that we're over 17 months into the sock monkey's term and nothing he has promised has come true. He promised to bring back the jobs lost in 2007 and 2008 in his first year. Fail. He promised to be fiscally responsible, control spending and to go line for line and strike out pork in the Tarp bill. Fail. He promised transparent government. Fail. He promised to reduce the deficit by 50% in his first term. (Richard Dawson voice ...) Survey says ... Fail!.

At no time, ever, do I remember him saying that things were being left to him in such shambles that after more than 1/3rd of his term gone, we would be worse off than ever. Boy, Wall Street seems really impressed. Check out the market lately. But it gets better ... the proposed budget for 2011($3.85 trillion )given to congress will be the largest ever in our history if passed by congress.

The simple facts remain that Obama and present-day democrats took full control of congress in January of 2007 and had a lame duck president in George Bush in 2008, and this country has been circling the fucking drain ever since. It's illogical, irresponsible and impossible to blame then-president Bush for everything that happened while glossing over which party had full control of congress at the time. They, too, must shoulder a large share of responsibility. Something you never want to acknowledge.


I'm disappointed in President Obama for letting the rethugs keep him from doing what he could have done easily without them. He should have told his congress what he wanted and made them do it. However, he hasn't done anything that has harmed this country. If it's circling the drain it's because Bush pulled the plug in 2000 and it's been going down ever since.

But I also realize that he went into office with an economy in shambles and two fucked up wars that were absolutely the fault of the Bush administration. We'll never know what he may have been able to accomplish if he'd walked into office with a good economy, a budget surplus and intelligence telling him that there were indications that Al Qaeda was about to make a move against us like Bush did.

Yes, I'd have rather have had Hillary, but nothing could make me vote for a damned rethug or tea bagger.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:42 am

Which brings up the mind-boggling hypocrisy that bothers me so much...
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:09 am

7 Wishes wrote:Which brings up the mind-boggling hypocrisy that bothers me so much...


You should be used it by now as you submerged yourself in it often enough!
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Postby Saint John » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:55 am

ohsherrie wrote:It was Bush who, as shown on 60 minutes, stopped them from getting Bin Laden in Afghanistan when they had him in their sites three times. He never intended to kill Bin Laden because the Bin Laden family are friends of the Bush family. All he ever wanted to do was get into Iraq and he used 9/11 as an excuse to do so.


What the fuck are you talking about? President Bush blew up half of the mountains in Afghanistan and sent our most elite special forces in an attempt to find Bin Laden.

During Clinton's presidency there were SIX attacks by Bin Laden against the U.S. and not one response ... unless you count cutting and running after our soldiers were slaughtered and paraded through the streets of Mogadishu. I think I can name them all. Let's give it a whirl!

1) The 1993 WTC bombing that killed six and injured over 1,000. President Clinton's response was "I would discourage the American people from overreacting to this."

2) The 1993 ambush in Somalia. 19 dead and 84 injured. This was probably the defining moment that emboldened terrorists worldwide that we were susceptible to attack and that casualties would cause us to tuck our tails and run.

3) The 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia that killed 5 military personnel. President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down. Better get crackin', Billy!

4) The 1996 Khobar Towers that killed 19 and wounded 200 soldiers. Bill Clinton countered with ... nothing. At least he's consistent!!!

5) The 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Africa. "The U.S. State Department thwarted an investigation into two suspects in the Aug. 7. 1998, bombing of the U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, which had killed more than 250 people, including 12 Americans, according to reports from MSNBC news filed on July 29."

6) The 2000 bombing of the USS Cole which killed 17 and injured 39. I'm gonna be nice and let you guess what president Clinton's response to this attack was.

All 6 of these attacks were attributed to Bin Laden. Hell, in 1996 the Sudanese offered him to us. They had him, were going to expel him and asked the U.S. if they wanted him. The U.S. passed, under president Clinton's direction, because of lack of evidence. We then watched him board a plane and head back to Afghanistan. There were 2 more chances in the waning days of the Clinton presidency, but he passed both times. Sandy Berger admitted having "intelligence indicative of Bin Laden's whereabouts," but Clinton, once again, passed. The last was probably when we knew Bin Laden was in Albania in 2000. Passed again. You have the right idea ... wrong president.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:06 am

Saint John wrote:What the fuck are you talking about? President Bush blew up half of the mountains in Afghanistan and sent our most elite special forces in an attempt to find Bin Laden.

During Clinton's presidency there were SIX attacks by Bin Laden against the U.S. and not one response ... unless you count cutting and running after our soldiers were slaughtered and paraded through the streets of Mogadishu. I think I can name them all. Let's give it a whirl!

1) The 1993 WTC bombing that killed six and injured over 1,000. President Clinton's response was "I would discourage the American people from overreacting to this."

2) The 1993 ambush in Somalia. 19 dead and 84 injured. This was probably the defining moment that emboldened terrorists worldwide that we were susceptible to attack and that casualties would cause us to tuck our tails and run.

3) The 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia that killed 5 military personnel. President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down. Better get crackin', Billy!

4) The 1996 Khobar Towers that killed 19 and wounded 200 soldiers. Bill Clinton countered with ... nothing. At least he's consistent!!!

5) The 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Africa. "The U.S. State Department thwarted an investigation into two suspects in the Aug. 7. 1998, bombing of the U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, which had killed more than 250 people, including 12 Americans, according to reports from MSNBC news filed on July 29."

6) The 2000 bombing of the USS Cole which killed 17 and injured 39. I'm gonna be nice and let you guess what president Clinton's response to this attack was.

All 6 of these attacks were attributed to Bin Laden. Hell, in 1996 the Sudanese offered him to us. They had him, were going to expel him and asked the U.S. if they wanted him. The U.S. passed, under president Clinton's direction, because of lack of evidence. We then watched him board a plane and head back to Afghanistan. There were 2 more chances in the waning days of the Clinton presidency, but he passed both times. Sandy Berger admitted having "intelligence indicative of Bin Laden's whereabouts," but Clinton, once again, passed. The last was probably when we knew Bin Laden was in Albania in 2000. Passed again. You have the right idea ... wrong president.


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