President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Forgetting he crimes for one minute, can you please tell me why Karl Rove is allowed to be in contempt of Congress? That's right, subpoenaed twice to testify before Congress, Rove was a no show. He even once skipped out of the country. Now, had Mr. Rove had nothing to hide, he surely would have showed up and answered the questions. But no, he thumbed his nose at the law.

So why hasn't he been arrested for these so-called crimes? They certainly know where to find him, he's on Fox News a few times a week. I should know, I've got my DVR set to automatically detect his voice and begin recording because I don't want to miss any opportunity to be further brainwashed by him. It's fun being a minion... I'd encourage you to try it, but I can tell you're busy being a lemming...

Because that wild-eyed radical partisan, Barack Obama, decided to “look forward, not backward.” And so, like Kissinger and so many members of the Washington criminal-political class, Turdblossom lives to lie another day on Sunday morning talk shows and book junkets. Rove is cut from the same soulless, mammon-worshipping cloth as Jack Abramoff. The fact that he is guilty as hell is pretty much an open secret among the cocktail weenie beltway punditry crowd. Little surprise then that he would find his new home on the Fox News cell block, joining lying right wing pigs like Ollie North, G. Gordon Liddy, Mark Fuhrman etc.

[7 Wishes]

So why hasn't he been arrested for these so-called crimes? They certainly know where to find him, he's on Fox News a few times a week. I should know, I've got my DVR set to automatically detect his voice and begin recording because I don't want to miss any opportunity to be further brainwashed by him. It's fun being a minion... I'd encourage you to try it, but I can tell you're busy being a lemming...

Right. You're the one being programmed by Faux News, but TNC's the lemming.

[donnaplease]

So why hasn't he been arrested for these so-called crimes? They certainly know where to find him, he's on Fox News a few times a week. I should know, I've got my DVR set to automatically detect his voice and begin recording because I don't want to miss any opportunity to be further brainwashed by him. It's fun being a minion... I'd encourage you to try it, but I can tell you're busy being a lemming...

Right. You're the one being programmed by Faux News, but TNC's the lemming.

TNC might have a problem with you calling him names. I'd watch it if I were you.

[donnaplease]

Because that wild-eyed radical partisan, Barack Obama, decided to “look forward, not backward.”

He did? Oh, that's a relief.

You might wanna remind him of that, TNC. That is, unless George Bush is off somewhere directing policies of the economy, national defense, and our natural resources. Otherwise I'd say somebody needs to get him a new calendar, because the one he has is obviously defective.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Because that wild-eyed radical partisan, Barack Obama, decided to “look forward, not backward.”

He did? Oh, that's a relief.

You might wanna remind him of that, TNC. That is, unless George Bush is off somewhere directing policies of the economy, national defense, and our natural resources. Otherwise I'd say somebody needs to get him a new calendar, because the one he has is obviously defective.

HUGE difference between prosecuting crimes and simply pointing fingers. Clinton gave the Iran-Contra thugs a pass, and now Obama has done the same with his predecessor. Trust me, you got off easy.

[Rockindeano]

Because that wild-eyed radical partisan, Barack Obama, decided to “look forward, not backward.”

He did? Oh, that's a relief.

You might wanna remind him of that, TNC. That is, unless George Bush is off somewhere directing policies of the economy, national defense, and our natural resources. Otherwise I'd say somebody needs to get him a new calendar, because the one he has is obviously defective.

Big difference between prosecuting crimes and simply pointing fingers. Clinton gave the Iran-Contra thugs a pass, and now Obama has done the same with his predecessor. Trust me, you got off easy. At least the UK has tried to hold Tony Blair and other public officials to account for the Iraq boondoggle and the lies on which it was based. Our system is a joke.

Our system is a joke yes, but the Democrats need to grow some bigger balls. Clinton should have nailed the Iran Contra thugs to the wall, but didn't. So what in turn happened to him? The republicans found it absolutely crucial to bust him for getting a blow job. That was a serious offense and one which they couldn't tolerate. Obama, ever the extreme socialist/communist, should have thrown Rove and Libby into jail. I just wish the Dems had bigger balls. Because rest assured, if the Rethugs get the subpoena back, they will definitely use it, and they'll find something, and that ought to make the righties giggle with joy.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Because rest assured, if the Rethugs get the subpoena back, they will definitely use it, and they'll find something, and that ought to make the righties giggle with joy.

No doubt. You're already hearing the first rumblings of it. From Bowgate to the Sestak job offer to the Black Panthers, no scandal is too small or obviously trumped up. They'll try anything and everything.

[donnaplease]

Because that wild-eyed radical partisan, Barack Obama, decided to “look forward, not backward.”

He did? Oh, that's a relief.

You might wanna remind him of that, TNC. That is, unless George Bush is off somewhere directing policies of the economy, national defense, and our natural resources. Otherwise I'd say somebody needs to get him a new calendar, because the one he has is obviously defective.

Big difference between prosecuting crimes and simply pointing fingers. Clinton gave the Iran-Contra thugs a pass, and now Obama has done the same with his predecessor. Trust me, you got off easy. At least the UK has tried to hold Tony Blair and other public officials to account for the Iraq boondoggle and the lies on which it was based. Our system is a joke.

Well, what a big-hearted guy he is after all!!! I guess the difference is that once the 'issue' is resolved that the politicians can't use it any more to confuse and disorient the voters. Although it doesn't stop some of them from trying. And it's on both sides, wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure there are any truly honest politicians anymore, if there ever were.

Care to speak to my comment about BO saying he was looking forward, yet continuing to blame all his woes on the former administration? Can you truthfully say that he really is looking forward? I think he used Bush's disapproval among the voters to his advantage in the election - and did so quite effectively. I will even go so far as to say that some aspects of the prior administration continue to affect us. But at what point do we all just acknowledge it and move the heck on? If you don't learn from past mistakes you are destined to repeat them, but living in the past is equally toxic, IMO.

[Rockindeano]

Because rest assured, if the Rethugs get the subpoena back, they will definitely use it, and they'll find something, and that ought to make the righties giggle with joy.

No doubt. You're already hearing the first rumblings of it. From Sestakgate to the Black Panthers, they're trying anything and everything.

Except passing any legislation. I don't even know why they show up for work. They never do anything. They don't have to be there to simply vote no all the time. Just stay home and campaign. Their absence is the exact same thing as a no vote. There are two republicans that actually cross the aisle and vote to pass bills. Olympia Snow and Scott Brown. Gee, what a party.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Care to speak to my comment about BO saying he was looking forward, yet continuing to blame all his woes on the former administration? Can you truthfully say that he really is looking forward? I think he used Bush's disapproval among the voters to his advantage in the election - and did so quite effectively. I will even go so far as to say that some aspects of the prior administration continue to affect us. But at what point do we all just acknowledge it and move the heck on? If you don't learn from past mistakes you are destined to repeat them, but living in the past is equally toxic, IMO.

There is nothing wrong with blaming your predecessor, especially when he’s left you two wars and the greatest economic crash since 1929. Other presidents, (including Reagan), bitched about theirs for far far less.

[Rockindeano]

Because that wild-eyed radical partisan, Barack Obama, decided to “look forward, not backward.”

He did? Oh, that's a relief.

You might wanna remind him of that, TNC. That is, unless George Bush is off somewhere directing policies of the economy, national defense, and our natural resources. Otherwise I'd say somebody needs to get him a new calendar, because the one he has is obviously defective.

Big difference between prosecuting crimes and simply pointing fingers. Clinton gave the Iran-Contra thugs a pass, and now Obama has done the same with his predecessor. Trust me, you got off easy. At least the UK has tried to hold Tony Blair and other public officials to account for the Iraq boondoggle and the lies on which it was based. Our system is a joke.

Well, what a big-hearted guy he is after all!!! I guess the difference is that once the 'issue' is resolved that the politicians can't use it any more to confuse and disorient the voters. Although it doesn't stop some of them from trying. And it's on both sides, wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure there are any truly honest politicians anymore, if there ever were.

Care to speak to my comment about BO saying he was looking forward, yet continuing to blame all his woes on the former administration? Can you truthfully say that he really is looking forward? I think he used Bush's disapproval among the voters to his advantage in the election - and did so quite effectively. I will even go so far as to say that some aspects of the prior administration continue to affect us. But at what point do we all just acknowledge it and move the heck on? If you don't learn from past mistakes you are destined to repeat them, but living in the past is equally toxic, IMO.

I honestly think Obama has moved on. You don't hear him blame Bush any longer, however, you do hear him make the case for choice at the polls. The voters have a choice- vote for something that is slowly improving things, or vote for the same policies of Bush republicanism, which is exactly what we will get if the GOP bounces back into power. They themselves have already said they will revert back to policies of the last decade. Pretty easy choice.

By the way, can you blame Obama for comparing his agenda to Bush's? It's an obvious smart political play.

[donnaplease]

The republicans found it absolutely crucial to bust him for getting a blow job. That was a serious offense and one which they couldn't tolerate.

Isn't it a fact that he lied under oath, which is what led to that impeachment? I was reading something about that case yesterday, and it seems like there was definitely an attempt to throw anything out there and see what stuck, but Clinton definitely earned the title of 'slick Willie' in the way he responded to it. It was brilliant lawyering tricks, and use of smoke and mirrors on his part, though. I never followed that very closely, but reading what I read made my eyes bulge a little bit. (It seemed to be written in a pro-Clinton manner, BTW, it wasn't a slam piece on him)

Looked to me like both sides were guilty of wasting time and money on that case.

[donnaplease]

By the way, can you blame Obama for comparing his agenda to Bush's? It's an obvious smart political play.

I don't blame him for using it to his advantage in the election. However, we're nearly halfway through his term, so I think it's time for him to stand on his own. Learn from the past, but don't whine like a bitch because he has to do a little work. He asked for the job, and now it seems like he's pouting like a five-year-old because he has to roll his sleeves up and get his hands a little dirty.

He should let the underlings continue to thrash Bush if he feels it's important to do so. His actions make him seem less presidential, IMO.

[Rockindeano]

The republicans found it absolutely crucial to bust him for getting a blow job. That was a serious offense and one which they couldn't tolerate.

Isn't it a fact that he lied under oath,

Come on Donna, it was a blow job. You want to play that card, Reagan, Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove and Cheney should all have been jailed.

[donnaplease]

The republicans found it absolutely crucial to bust him for getting a blow job. That was a serious offense and one which they couldn't tolerate.

Isn't it a fact that he lied under oath,

Come on Donna, it was a blow job. You want to play that card, Reagan, Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove and Cheney should all have been jailed.

Have they lied UNDER OATH? The BJ isn't what got him in trouble, the lying about it was. I said I thought it was a witch hunt, but he probably should've just owned up to the BJ. I'm just glad Monica didn't fall asleep, unlike Oksana...

[Rockindeano]

The republicans found it absolutely crucial to bust him for getting a blow job. That was a serious offense and one which they couldn't tolerate.

Isn't it a fact that he lied under oath,

Come on Donna, it was a blow job. You want to play that card, Reagan, Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove and Cheney should all have been jailed.

Have they lied UNDER OATH? The BJ isn't what got him in trouble, the lying about it was. I said I thought it was a witch hunt, but he probably should've just owned up to the BJ. I'm just glad Monica didn't fall asleep, unlike Oksana...

The Administration takes an oath when they enter office, Donna. All the secretaries, the president and VP. LOL, it's kind of hard to get Rove under oath when he doesn't show up to testify. Again, the Congressional Democrats should have had him arrested for failure to appear, but they don't have the stones; unless Obama asked them to let it go, and just move forward.

You just made the argument as to why Rove is guilty. He commits the crimes, then no shows at his hearing. Just an easy question for you Donna; why won't Rove show up if he has nothing to hide? Hmm. It's pretty cut n dry. Instead, he says fuck you to Congress and goes to work at that cesspool known as Fox News. That speaks to Fox's character too. hey will hire any right wing zealot they can find, regardless of criminal history. Disgusting.

[donnaplease]

The Administration takes an oath when they enter office, Donna. All the secretaries, the president and VP. LOL, it's kind of hard to get Rove under oath when he doesn't show up to testify. Again, the Congressional Democrats should have had him arrested for failure to appear, but they don't have the stones; unless Obama asked them to let it go, and just move forward.

You just made the argument as to why Rove is guilty. He commits the crimes, then no shows at his hearing. Just an easy question for you Donna; why won't Rove show up if he has nothing to hide? Hmm. It's pretty cut n dry. Instead, he says fuck you to Congress and goes to work at that cesspool known as Fox News. That speaks to Fox's character too. hey will hire any right wing zealot they can find, regardless of criminal history. Disgusting.

Different kind of oath, Dean. You know that. Clinton lied to a grand jury. As for Rove, IDK all the particulars of what you're talking about, but if he is as guilty as you suggest he is, then they should go after him. Their failure to do so says something about how either 1) there is no legal leg to stand on, or 2) they are cowards who won't stand up to the big bad wolf. I do think Scooter Libby got thrown under the bus.

There's a lot of that 'ignoring' requests from Congress going on. I was astonished in reading that stuff about the NBP case how people simply didn't respond to requests for information. Apparently that's how things work in our nation's capital. Pretty sad on all accounts. Politics as usual, I guess.

[7 Wishes]

Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales were indicted on separate charges related to alleged prisoner abuse in federal detention centers. This case is ongoing.

There's this:

http://brainz.org/dick-cheneys-crimes-against-humanity/

He also admits to personally authorizing what was and is illegal torture of prisoners:

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=9818034

Section 2340A of the federal criminal code makes it an offense to torture or to conspire to torture. Violators are subject to jail terms or to death in appropriate cases, as where death results from the application of torture techniques.

There is also the issue of Halliburton currently being investigated by the FBI and the SEC for systemic fraud while Evil Dick was its CEO.

It's just the tip of the iceberg. What else do you want, donna?

[Saint John]

He also admits to personally authorizing what was and is illegal torture of prisoners:

And America, save for most anti-American liberals, is ok with this. Keep it under wraps and beat those fuckers within an inch of their life if that's what it takes to keep our country safe. Then shoot 'em, skull fuck 'em and bury 'em.

[Rockindeano]

He also admits to personally authorizing what was and is illegal torture of prisoners:

And America, save for most anti-American liberals, is ok with this. Keep it under wraps and beat those fuckers within an inch of their life if that's what it takes to keep our country safe. Then shoot 'em, skull fuck 'em and bury 'em.

Why not light them on fire too while you're at it?

[Saint John]

He also admits to personally authorizing what was and is illegal torture of prisoners:

And America, save for most anti-American liberals, is ok with this. Keep it under wraps and beat those fuckers within an inch of their life if that's what it takes to keep our country safe. Then shoot 'em, skull fuck 'em and bury 'em.

Why not light them on fire too while you're at it?

You see gas prices lately?!?!

[artist4perry]

He also admits to personally authorizing what was and is illegal torture of prisoners:

And America, save for most anti-American liberals, is ok with this. Keep it under wraps and beat those fuckers within an inch of their life if that's what it takes to keep our country safe. Then shoot 'em, skull fuck 'em and bury 'em.

Why not light them on fire too while you're at it?

You see gas prices lately?!?!

Funny conversation guys...........the gas thing was priceless SJ.

[slucero]

Any politician that lies in office deserves to have his ass raped in prison..

[donnaplease]

It's just the tip of the iceberg. What else do you want, donna?

I honestly don't know how to answer that. I am not in 'favor' of torture, but neither do I want another terrorist attack on our country. You do realize that this is not the first administration in which 'torture' has occurred, right? We have secret operatives who assassinate people all over the world (or so I'm led to believe). I also don't know how I feel about things like water boarding and other methods of extracting information from our enemies. Can you honestly say it's okay that our citizens are killed because we didn't do what we could to get information that could stop it? Why is it ok to kill an enemy but not pour water in his face?

It's not a black or white situation in my mind. Just like abortion, stem-cell research, and lots of other politically charged topics, there are shades of gray for me.

Not exactly sure what else you want me to say, Daniel. When you have the care of the nation in your hands after an attack of that magnitude I guess you can second-guess the tactics used. Until then, I guess all we can do is hope for the best. When we start hooking car batteries to genitalia and cutting out tongues, gouging out eyeballs, and cutting off digits, then I'll be more outraged.

[donnaplease]

http://brainz.org/dick-cheneys-crimes-against-humanity/

This article is laughable. I tried to read it, but I couldn't get through more than a few paragraphs. It isn't biased at all, is it?

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=9818034

This one was a good read. The interviewer didn't throw marshmallows at Cheney, and I think he answered pretty frankly. It interests me that he told of many occasions where he was essentially overruled, which gives the lie to the comments that he ran the show in the White House for 8 years. It's obvious that he was the military guy, wanting to treat these terrorists as terrorists and enemies of our nation and it's people. It looks like he felt strongly about the defense of our country, and was willing to do what it took to ensure our safety. He mentioned that there are career people in place whose responsibility it is to determine what type of interrogation techniques to use based on who the prisoner is and what type of info they are trying to extract. I think he also said that those people have spanned multiple administrations.

I also found his assessment of the 'don't ask, don't tell' ruling interesting. I would've thought he would have been more opposed to it. But then again, having a homosexual daughter probably plays into that too. I guess it would've been more than a little hypocritical of him to oppose it, with an openly gay daughter.

Thanks for this link.

[conversationpc]

He also admits to personally authorizing what was and is illegal torture of prisoners:

And America, save for most anti-American liberals, is ok with this. Keep it under wraps and beat those fuckers within an inch of their life if that's what it takes to keep our country safe. Then shoot 'em, skull fuck 'em and bury 'em.

Why not light them on fire too while you're at it?

You see gas prices lately?!?!

Gas prices are a lot lower than a couple years ago...Light 'em up!!!

[Rockindeano]

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2004646,00.html

Dems Start to Panic as Reality of Midterm Woes Sets In

Under pressure, the Democrats are cracking. On both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, there is a realization that Nancy Pelosi's hold on the speakership is in true jeopardy; that losing control of the Senate is not out of the question; and that time, once the Democrats' best friend, is now their mortal enemy. Since January, when Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts Senate seat, the President's party has tried to downplay in public what its pollsters have been saying in private: that Obama's alienation of independents and white voters, along with the enthusiasm gap between the right and the left, means that Republicans are on a trajectory to pick up massive numbers of House and Senate seats, perhaps even to regain control of Congress.

Evidence of the pervasiveness of this view: Sunday's New York Times op-ed page, which featured a series of short essays from leading Democratic and Republican strategists about how Obama could go about staging a political comeback, focused not on November's midterms but on 2012 — an indication that Washington conventional wisdom has already written off prospects of Democrats sustaining a majority in the legislature.

LOL at FF. Dude, I am redoing my prediction for the midterms. You aren't getting either House. In fact, your stronghold on most polls are losing grip and going the other way. As soon as your party votes no tomorrow for Unemployment extensions, all hope for a takeover is lost. The GOP is in a terrible position for a party out of power.

PS- way to lose the 'gimme' seat in Nevada. Reid is up by 7 over your tea partier. Way to go morons.

[7 Wishes]

Americans, by a 50%-42% majority, now APPROVE of the healthcare overhaul bill, as its particularities become more apparent. Interesting.

Also, most Americans (by a 3-to-1 majority) blame the state of the economy on Bush, not Obama. Very interesting!

Donna, we hadn''t violated the Geneva Convention until Bush did. It's not a valid comparison.

[conversationpc]

Americans, by a 50%-42% majority, now APPROVE of the healthcare overhaul bill, as its particularities become more apparent. Interesting.

Also, most Americans (by a 3-to-1 majority) blame the state of the economy on Bush, not Obama. Very interesting!

Oh good grief...There are multiple polls that show far different results from this. Unless a poll is by a reputable national pollster and is overwhelmingly in favor of a particular side, I'm always skeptical of the results.

[7 Wishes]

Really, Dave?

Post one that's not conducted by Fox or Rasmussen, that was conducted in the past 7 days.