President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[conversationpc]

On another note, you do realize that the edited Sherrod video wasn't aired on Fox until AFTER she was forced to resign? That doesn't excuse O'Reilly and Hannity for airing it anyway but no one can claim with a straight face that Fox News had anything to do with her being ousted.

No, but they couldn't wait to get in there nd run that video nonstop. They were giddy. Also, your front runner Newt Gingrich piled on and insisted she should have been fired.

I can't stand Gingrich, either, so he's not MY frontrunner.

[conversationpc]

The point is Fox was aligned with Breitbart and that sucks. Hannity was beaming when he had that scumbag on the set. Why is it Fox associates itself with bad people? G Gordon Liddy, Oliver North, Mark Furman, Karl Rove, Andrew Breitbart......Jesus, who's next, Satan?

Hey, leave Ann Coulter out of this.

BUWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Boy, I can't stand that hag.

[Rockindeano]

On another note, you do realize that the edited Sherrod video wasn't aired on Fox until AFTER she was forced to resign? That doesn't excuse O'Reilly and Hannity for airing it anyway but no one can claim with a straight face that Fox News had anything to do with her being ousted.

No, but they couldn't wait to get in there nd run that video nonstop. They were giddy. Also, your front runner Newt Gingrich piled on and insisted she should have been fired.

I can't stand Gingrich, either, so he's not MY frontrunner.

Today Fox was beaming with a possible "formidable" (LOL), Palin-Gingrich ticket. God I hope that materializes. Do the republicans really think Palin has any shot at the presidency? You have to be kidding me right?

[conversationpc]

On another note, you do realize that the edited Sherrod video wasn't aired on Fox until AFTER she was forced to resign? That doesn't excuse O'Reilly and Hannity for airing it anyway but no one can claim with a straight face that Fox News had anything to do with her being ousted.

No, but they couldn't wait to get in there nd run that video nonstop. They were giddy. Also, your front runner Newt Gingrich piled on and insisted she should have been fired.

I can't stand Gingrich, either, so he's not MY frontrunner.

Today Fox was beaming with a possible "formidable" (LOL), Palin-Gingrich ticket. God I hope that materializes. Do the republicans really think Palin has any shot at the presidency? You have to be kidding me right?

I can't imagine Palin beating Obama.

[Rhiannon]

The point is Fox was aligned with Breitbart and that sucks. Hannity was beaming when he had that scumbag on the set. Why is it Fox associates itself with bad people? G Gordon Liddy, Oliver North, Mark Furman, Karl Rove, Andrew Breitbart......Jesus, who's next, Satan?

Hey, leave Ann Coulter out of this.

BUWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Boy, I can't stand that hag.

I tell you what, the onset of this whole HDTV razzmatazz sure does bring out the definition on her Adam's Apple. I wish someone would feed her to Michael Moore.

[conversationpc]

The point is Fox was aligned with Breitbart and that sucks. Hannity was beaming when he had that scumbag on the set. Why is it Fox associates itself with bad people? G Gordon Liddy, Oliver North, Mark Furman, Karl Rove, Andrew Breitbart......Jesus, who's next, Satan?

Hey, leave Ann Coulter out of this.

BUWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Boy, I can't stand that hag.

I tell you what, the onset of this whole HDTV razzmatazz sure does bring out the definition on her Adam's Apple. I wish someone would feed her to Michael Moore.

He'd have to use her for a toothpick.

[Rhiannon]

Do the republicans really think Palin has any shot at the presidency? You have to be kidding me right?

Well, she does have that experience being President of her local 'Stitch-n-Bitch' club. I hear she negotiated the arrangements to meet at the Panera. And she also watches Russia for us. That's gotta count for... something?

[Rockindeano]

Do the republicans really think Palin has any shot at the presidency? You have to be kidding me right?

Well, she does have that experience being President of her local 'Stitch-n-Bitch' club. I hear she negotiated the arrangements to meet at the Panera. And she also watches Russia for us. That's gotta count for... something?

LOL. Look at Rhiannon come out of nowhere with a tomohawk two handed jam!

I thought you were a big Fox News girl?

[Rhiannon]

I thought you were a big Fox News girl?

I loathe pretty much all newsmedia. I guess I'd rather be uninformed than misinformed. Even CNN has become TMZ Lite anymore.

[Rockindeano]

I thought you were a big Fox News girl?

I loathe pretty much all newsmedia. I guess I'd rather be uninformed than misinformed. Even CNN has become TMZ Lite anymore.

Well fret not. Fox News is hardly a valid news agency. They're pure garbage, driving home the agenda of that scumbag Roger Ailes and that fuckin POS Australian, Roger Murdoch.

[slucero]

Palin has no chance at the Presidency...

The republicans are gonna have to move substantially to the center to get the independent vote back...

[RedWingFan]

Check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-aZPRUvkbw

Here's another good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psJGHGeLSeE

[donnaplease]

I called out O'Reilly, Hannity, and Breitbart on my blog the other day, so Rip isn't the only one... Context Matters

Good on you Dave. Now why can't Lie Finder RWF or donna just admit that Fox was guilty and behaved in an disgusting manner? I don't get how they can still think Fox News is legitimate source? I thought conservatives were all about values? Unless something bad happens to Fox, then it doesn't count, right?

donna is a sweetheart of person, a real good egg, but goddammit if she doesn't piss me off politically.

I believe I said a few pages back that Fox was busy doing damage control with regard to the Sherrod incident. In fact, Bill O'Reilly repeatedly stated the other night that he took responsibility for his part in the fiasco. As for MSNBC not touting themselves as 'fair and balanced'... They probably don't do that because they make no effort to be. I don't recall a single conservative/republican on Maddow's show the other night, but there were several different liberal/democrats on there doing their usual thing. In most of the Fox shows, they do have someone representing the other side to give an opposing viewpoint, even though they still lead the guests with their questions, which I also recently stated here is something that is increasingly bugging me.

Fox is just as legitimate as the others, you simply de-legitimize it because you do not agree with the content. Guess what? BOTH SIDES DO IT. (Just for you, Dean )

Question for you, Dean... How is it that you and the rest of your liberal friends who always throw that four-headed monster's name out there know exactly what is on their programs? Do you actually watch/listen to them, or are you in fact just following that liberal playbook that calls for generic trashing of someone without knowing the details. Someone disagrees with a black person, they're a racist. Someone doesn't want to pay higher taxes, then of course they hate poor people and are selfish. Come on dude, can't you see that that is the wrong attitude to have?

Thanks for the compliments, and the feelings are mutual!

[donnaplease]

Palin has no chance at the Presidency...

The republicans are gonna have to move substantially to the center to get the independent vote back...

I agree. Palin should not run again for anything. Regardless of whether you agree with her politics, mannerisms, or intelligence though, she has done a good job of rallying the troops to stand up for their beliefs and make their voices heard. She just doesn't belong in major office. Then again, neither does Obama. He has proven that he wasn't ready, and his own party is becoming increasingly disenfranchised with him. Maybe he'll win them back, but I think he's in a really precarious situation. Really stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[Rockindeano]

I called out O'Reilly, Hannity, and Breitbart on my blog the other day, so Rip isn't the only one... Context Matters

Good on you Dave. Now why can't Lie Finder RWF or donna just admit that Fox was guilty and behaved in an disgusting manner? I don't get how they can still think Fox News is legitimate source? I thought conservatives were all about values? Unless something bad happens to Fox, then it doesn't count, right?

donna is a sweetheart of person, a real good egg, but goddammit if she doesn't piss me off politically.

I believe I said a few pages back that Fox was busy doing damage control with regard to the Sherrod incident. In fact, Bill O'Reilly repeatedly stated the other night that he took responsibility for his part in the fiasco. As for MSNBC not touting themselves as 'fair and balanced'... They probably don't do that because they make no effort to be. I don't recall a single conservative/republican on Maddow's show the other night, but there were several different liberal/democrats on there doing their usual thing. In most of the Fox shows, they do have someone representing the other side to give an opposing viewpoint, even though they still lead the guests with their questions, which I also recently stated here is something that is increasingly bugging me.

Fox is just as legitimate as the others, you simply de-legitimize it because you do not agree with the content. Guess what? BOTH SIDES DO IT. (Just for you, Dean )

Question for you, Dean... How is it that you and the rest of your liberal friends who always throw that four-headed monster's name out there know exactly what is on their programs? Do you actually watch/listen to them, or are you in fact just following that liberal playbook that calls for generic trashing of someone without knowing the details. Someone disagrees with a black person, they're a racist. Someone doesn't want to pay higher taxes, then of course they hate poor people and are selfish. Come on dude, can't you see that that is the wrong attitude to have?

Thanks for the compliments, and the feelings are mutual!

I watch Fox News after I watch MSNBC. I like to get the GOP talking points from FNC so I can come here and know what's about to come down the pike.

[slucero]

I called out O'Reilly, Hannity, and Breitbart on my blog the other day, so Rip isn't the only one... Context Matters

Good on you Dave. Now why can't Lie Finder RWF or donna just admit that Fox was guilty and behaved in an disgusting manner? I don't get how they can still think Fox News is legitimate source? I thought conservatives were all about values? Unless something bad happens to Fox, then it doesn't count, right?

donna is a sweetheart of person, a real good egg, but goddammit if she doesn't piss me off politically.

I believe I said a few pages back that Fox was busy doing damage control with regard to the Sherrod incident. In fact, Bill O'Reilly repeatedly stated the other night that he took responsibility for his part in the fiasco. As for MSNBC not touting themselves as 'fair and balanced'... They probably don't do that because they make no effort to be. I don't recall a single conservative/republican on Maddow's show the other night, but there were several different liberal/democrats on there doing their usual thing. In most of the Fox shows, they do have someone representing the other side to give an opposing viewpoint, even though they still lead the guests with their questions, which I also recently stated here is something that is increasingly bugging me.

Fox is just as legitimate as the others, you simply de-legitimize it because you do not agree with the content. Guess what? BOTH SIDES DO IT. (Just for you, Dean )

Question for you, Dean... How is it that you and the rest of your liberal friends who always throw that four-headed monster's name out there know exactly what is on their programs? Do you actually watch/listen to them, or are you in fact just following that liberal playbook that calls for generic trashing of someone without knowing the details. Someone disagrees with a black person, they're a racist. Someone doesn't want to pay higher taxes, then of course they hate poor people and are selfish. Come on dude, can't you see that that is the wrong attitude to have?

Thanks for the compliments, and the feelings are mutual!

I watch Fox News after I watch MSNBC. I like to get the GOP talking points from FNC so I can come here and know what's about to come down the pike.

wow Deano... you watch more news than me.... I don't watch any of the major networks.. too much brainwashing..

I get my news from BBC, the UK Telegraph, and I read lots of newsfeeds from Reuters, etc... thats the only way I can get a "fair and balanced" perspective...

[RedWingFan]

Click on this link to watch the map of the unemployment rate by county under the Bamster and the dem controlled congress. Pretty cool....scary and sad, but kinda cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfBZnyJg0Bw

[Rick]

Click on this link and click play to watch the map of the unemployment rate by county under the Bamster and the dem controlled congress. Pretty cool....scary and sad, but kinda cool.

http://www.marklevinshow.com/goout.asp? ... final.html

It's scary and sad that you don't blame any of this on Bush. Obama got handed the biggest bucket of shit in history. While I don't agree with a lot of what's going on now, with his reign, he's certainly not to blame for this mess we're in.

[RedWingFan]

Click on this link and click play to watch the map of the unemployment rate by county under the Bamster and the dem controlled congress. Pretty cool....scary and sad, but kinda cool.

http://www.marklevinshow.com/goout.asp? ... final.html

It's scary and sad that you don't blame any of this on Bush. Obama got handed the biggest bucket of shit in history. While I don't agree with a lot of what's going on now, with his reign, he's certainly not to blame for this mess we're in.

It's not a coincidence that the unemployment rate stayed around 5% for the first 6 years of his 2 terms Rick. Democrats took control in Feb. of 2007 and everything is going down the toilet. Bush's across the board tax cut (which included you) kept business' hiring. If you doubt me, watch the further calamity that takes place after our taxes go up in January. You ain't seen nothing yet brother! You gonna blame that on Bush too?

[conversationpc]

It's scary and sad that you don't blame any of this on Bush. Obama got handed the biggest bucket of shit in history. While I don't agree with a lot of what's going on now, with his reign, he's certainly not to blame for this mess we're in.

Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress up through 2006 certainly added substantially to our problems, so they definitely are partly to blame. However, and it's a big however, after the Democrats took control, then Senator Obama included, they only continued to add to the problem. Then since Obama took office, they've significantly added to the problem. Multi-thousand page bills being pushed through Congress without either party reading them, hundreds of billions of dollars of overspending, and lack of oversight have plagued the Dems just like the Repubs before them. Hypocrisy abounds, that's for sure.

[RedWingFan]

It's scary and sad that you don't blame any of this on Bush. Obama got handed the biggest bucket of shit in history. While I don't agree with a lot of what's going on now, with his reign, he's certainly not to blame for this mess we're in.

Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress up through 2006 certainly added substantially to our problems, so they definitely are partly to blame. However, and it's a big however, after the Democrats took control, then Senator Obama included, they only continued to add to the problem. Then since Obama took office, they've significantly added to the problem. Multi-thousand page bills being pushed through Congress without either party reading them, hundreds of billions of dollars of overspending, and lack of oversight have plagued the Dems just like the Repubs before them. Hypocrisy abounds, that's for sure.

Yeah, the negatives of Bush's spending was offset by the positives effects of the tax cut.
The negatives of Obama's spending is only going to be compounded by tax rates going up. You think it's bad now....

[conversationpc]

Yeah, the negatives of Bush's spending was offset by the positives effects of the tax cut.
The negatives of Obama's spending is only going to be compounded by tax rates going up. You think it's bad now....

I don't think it's going to make it significantly worse but it certainly isn't going to help.

[donnaplease]

Click on this link and click play to watch the map of the unemployment rate by county under the Bamster and the dem controlled congress. Pretty cool....scary and sad, but kinda cool.

http://www.marklevinshow.com/goout.asp? ... final.html

It's scary and sad that you don't blame any of this on Bush. Obama got handed the biggest bucket of shit in history. While I don't agree with a lot of what's going on now, with his reign, he's certainly not to blame for this mess we're in.

If you put blame for the economy in the hands of a president instead of the congress, who ultimately has the control to do what needs to be done, then Obama's failures for the past year and a half cannot be overlooked. By continuing to deny his culpability, I don't see how things will improve. Pointing fingers does nothing to get people back to work. I understand the argument for continuing unemployment benefits, because my family has been there in the not too distant past, relying on those to help us make ends meet. But I also agree that they should not be a never-ending source of income. Has all of the stimulus money been spent yet? Other than signs saying 'this road maintenance is paid for by' I've seen very little evidence of the use of that money. The idea that it is being used to put fresh vegetables in NYC is ridiculous at best. I guess what I'm saying is that he may have been handed a bucket of shit. But, he's taken that shit and smeared it in the faces of the American public, and he needs to be accountable for that. NO ONE is making him be accountable, because if they question him, they're either racist or simply spewing talking points from the four-headed monster. Way to deflect, democrats.

There's enough blame to go around in this mess, IMO.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't recall a single conservative/republican on Maddow's show the other night, but there were several different liberal/democrats on there doing their usual thing.

Maddow says she extends invites all the time. Except for maybe Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan, most Cons simply won't come on the show.

Fox is just as legitimate as the others, you simply de-legitimize it because you do not agree with the content.

Not so. Fox is run by Rush Limbaugh's former producer and political spin master, Roger Ailes. That's the equivalent of putting James Carville in charge of CNN. Shepard Smith is the lone FOX anchor with actual journalistic standards, and his disgust for the network is becoming more obvious daily.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, the negatives of Bush's spending was offset by the positives effects of the tax cut.

Umm, even the Bush White House economists did not find this to be true - AT ALL. What are you talking about?


http://www.capitalgainsandgames.com/blo ... x-nonsense

[The_Noble_Cause]

No. The last time we had something like this was the Carter malaise. Reagan showed how to straighten out that mess.

Barely. At this point in his administration, Reagan was also facing high unemployment and his party went on to lose congress. Additionally, if his approach was so strikingly different from Carter, why did he keep on Volcker, who continued to battle stagflation with sky high interest rates?

[conversationpc]

I don't think she is anything like Beck, Hannity, or Limbaugh types. You can just tell those guys wake up, look at the paper, and go, "how can I spin this against liberals to fill-up air time today?" Their one-note routine is stale and exhausting.

Sound reasoning there...Nice going.

Anyway, I agree on Hannity. I never listen to Limbaugh, so I can't comment there. Beck, on the other hand, is willing to look at more than just the token example of problems within the Republican party. That's one of the reasons I started listening to him in the first place.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't think she is anything like Beck, Hannity, or Limbaugh types. You can just tell those guys wake up, look at the paper, and go, "how can I spin this against liberals to fill-up air time today?" Their one-note routine is stale and exhausting.

Sound reasoning there...Nice going.

Anyway, I agree on Hannity. I never listen to Limbaugh, so I can't comment there. Beck, on the other hand, is willing to look at more than just the token example of problems within the Republican party. That's one of the reasons I started listening to him in the first place.

I think it's especially obvious with Limbaugh or Savage. On some shows, it's as if they're browsing the drudge report on a computer in front of them, and they free-riff from headline to headline. They just phone it in. Alot of talk radio is really bad. Beck was always worth a laugh or two with Moron Trivia, but now he's got this whole messianic complex thing going on. It's too self-serious and dramatic for me. He also plays up the stakes too far. Is Obama corrupt? Most likely. The gravest threat the Republic has ever faced? Err...not quite.

[RedWingFan]

Yeah, the negatives of Bush's spending was offset by the positives effects of the tax cut.

Umm, even the Bush White House economists did not find this to be true - AT ALL. What are you talking about?


http://www.capitalgainsandgames.com/blo ... x-nonsense

I mean though Bush did spend far too much money. The tax cuts returned enough money to the people that enabled them to spend more, create more federal revenue. Obama's floored the gas on the spending though. Not really difficult to understand....I don't need Bruce Bartlett to tell me how expensive tax cuts are.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The tax cuts returned enough money to the people that enabled them to spend more, create more federal revenue.

There's no data to back this up. And the quotes aren't from Bruce Bartlett, they're collected from Bush administration economists, all who found that: "Federal revenue is lower today than it would have been without the tax cuts. There’s really no dispute among economists about that.”