President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[conversationpc]

No seriously, it is the biggest one here..has to be yours.

It was Slucero's chart. Actually, AlteredDNA's av is wider than mine.

Oh my, here we go...

"Mine is bigger than yours is..."

Bah, that doesn't matter to me. I don't have to argue...I already KNOW mine is bigger.

But apparently not wider. Soooo....

I have a good combo of length and width.

[slucero]

sorry bout that....

.. and don't forget about the hook...

[donnaplease]

Blah, blah, blah...

What else you got? Nanny-nanny boo-boo...?

I know who Valerie Plame is, and I remember some of what happened.

I love how Dean continues to cry in his Count Chocula about Valerie Plame. It's like the space between his ears and piehole is the Bermuda Triangle when it comes to the name of Richard Armatage, the one who actually leaked her name. Never let the facts get in the way Dean!

I keep picturing the guy (can't remember his name, one of Clinton's cronies) who was stuffing documents down his pants to sneak them out of whatever building he was getting them from. Can't remember details, just that image...

[Rockindeano]

I love how Dean continues to cry in his Count Chocula about Valerie Plame. It's like the space between his ears and piehole is the Bermuda Triangle when it comes to the name of Richard Armatage, the one who actually leaked her name. Never let the facts get in the way Dean!

LOL. Ok, if you say so. Cheney had absolutely nothing to do with it, neither did Rove or Libby. . Moron.

[donnaplease]

No seriously, it is the biggest one here..has to be yours.

It was Slucero's chart. Actually, AlteredDNA's av is wider than mine.

Oh my, here we go...

"Mine is bigger than yours is..."

Bah, that doesn't matter to me. I don't have to argue...I already KNOW mine is bigger.

But apparently not wider. Soooo....

I have a good combo of length and width.

Proportion is quite important. It's all relative, ya know. I'm certain your wife is quite pleased.

[Rockindeano]

Blah, blah, blah...

What else you got? Nanny-nanny boo-boo...?

I know who Valerie Plame is, and I remember some of what happened.

I love how Dean continues to cry in his Count Chocula about Valerie Plame. It's like the space between his ears and piehole is the Bermuda Triangle when it comes to the name of Richard Armatage, the one who actually leaked her name. Never let the facts get in the way Dean!

I keep picturing the guy (can't remember his name, one of Clinton's cronies) who was stuffing documents down his pants to sneak them out of whatever building he was getting them from. Can't remember details, just that image...

Sandy Berger. Guilty as sin too.

Funny how you only vividly remember the Clinton cronies messing up but never a Bushie. Hmm.

[conversationpc]

Funny how you only vividly remember the Clinton cronies messing up but never a Bushie. Hmm.

Wasn't it you that, just a few days ago, laughed about how us cons supposedly always use this kind of argument? You know, bringing up the same kind of thing, except on the other side?

[Rockindeano]

Funny how you only vividly remember the Clinton cronies messing up but never a Bushie. Hmm.

Wasn't it you that, just a few days ago, laughed about how us cons supposedly always use this kind of argument? You know, bringing up the same kind of thing, except on the other side?

No, wasn't me. I am the only one here who place blame on whomever is guilty, including my own. Not one of you Cons will ever blame a guilty Pubbie.

[conversationpc]

Funny how you only vividly remember the Clinton cronies messing up but never a Bushie. Hmm.

Wasn't it you that, just a few days ago, laughed about how us cons supposedly always use this kind of argument? You know, bringing up the same kind of thing, except on the other side?

No, wasn't me. I am the only one here who place blame on whomever is guilty, including my own. Not one of you Cons will ever blame a guilty Pubbie.

OK...Maybe you weren't laughing but it actually was you...

PPPS- donna, you aren't the only one who does it, but I notice when the Cons know that they are cornered, like the Fox News guilt of two days ago, they immediately go to the "BOTH" sides do it card. I find the diversion funny, yet predictable.

Anyway, I don't have a problem blaming a guilty "Pubbie".

[slucero]

Funny how you only vividly remember the Clinton cronies messing up but never a Bushie. Hmm.

Wasn't it you that, just a few days ago, laughed about how us cons supposedly always use this kind of argument? You know, bringing up the same kind of thing, except on the other side?

No, wasn't me. I am the only one here who place blame on whomever is guilty, including my own. Not one of you Cons will ever blame a guilty Pubbie.

OK...Maybe you weren't laughing but it actually was you...

PPPS- donna, you aren't the only one who does it, but I notice when the Cons know that they are cornered, like the Fox News guilt of two days ago, they immediately go to the "BOTH" sides do it card. I find the diversion funny, yet predictable.

Anyway, I don't have a problem blaming a guilty "Pubbie".

[slucero]

Charlie Rangel, now Maxine Waters.. both being charged with ethics violations...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100731/ap_ ... ers_ethics

Add Chris Dodd, Harry Reid.. and any other Dem or Rep that deserves it..



"Drain the Swamp"......

[donnaplease]

I keep picturing the guy (can't remember his name, one of Clinton's cronies) who was stuffing documents down his pants to sneak them out of whatever building he was getting them from. Can't remember details, just that image...

Sandy Berger. Guilty as sin too.

Funny how you only vividly remember the Clinton cronies messing up but never a Bushie. Hmm.

Yeah, my description above tells how 'vividly' I remember it.

Hi Pot, My name's Kettle. Did you know that you're black?

[AlteredDNA]

The Won throws Rangle under the bus....hmmmmm..

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Friday called ethics charges against Democratic Rep. Charlie Rangel "very troubling" and said he hopes the longtime lawmaker can end his career with dignity. Several House Democrats went further, flat-out urging the New York congressman to resign.

"He's somebody who's at the end of his career," Obama said in an interview that aired Friday on "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric." "I'm sure that what he wants is to be able to end his career with dignity. And my hope is that it happens."

Obama, speaking on the issue for the first time, praised the 20-term Rangel for serving his constituents well but called the more than one-dozen tax and disclosure charges against him "very troubling."

[hoagiepete]

Funny how you only vividly remember the Clinton cronies messing up but never a Bushie. Hmm.

Wasn't it you that, just a few days ago, laughed about how us cons supposedly always use this kind of argument? You know, bringing up the same kind of thing, except on the other side?

No, wasn't me. I am the only one here who place blame on whomever is guilty, including my own. Not one of you Cons will ever blame a guilty Pubbie.

Here's one con blowing your theory Deano!

Rove screwed up bad. Likely guilty of somethings. Not sure which. GW screwed up by aligning himself with folks like Rumsfeld and Cheney (who looked and acted like stereotypical political creeps from a B movie). Couldn't stand either of them.

[Rockindeano]

Charlie Rangel, now Maxine Waters.. both being charged with ethics violations...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100731/ap_ ... ers_ethics

Add Chris Dodd, Harry Reid.. and any other Dem or Rep that deserves it..



"Drain the Swamp"......

Good. Get rid of all them. Wasn't aware of Reid, but yeah, he is such a pussy, I would say fuck him too, but that would mean we get Sharon Angle. America cannot afford Tea Party wackos like her and Bachman.

[RedWingFan]

Funny how you only vividly remember the Clinton cronies messing up but never a Bushie. Hmm.

Wasn't it you that, just a few days ago, laughed about how us cons supposedly always use this kind of argument? You know, bringing up the same kind of thing, except on the other side?

No, wasn't me. I am the only one here who place blame on whomever is guilty, including my own. Not one of you Cons will ever blame a guilty Pubbie.

OK...Maybe you weren't laughing but it actually was you...

PPPS- donna, you aren't the only one who does it, but I notice when the Cons know that they are cornered, like the Fox News guilt of two days ago, they immediately go to the "BOTH" sides do it card. I find the diversion funny, yet predictable.

Nice try Dean but this "wasn't me" defense was exposed long ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEovJYZsiDY

[conversationpc]

I'm sure this has most of the libs gnashing their teeth...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20 ... house-seat

The White House Correspondents Association is moving Fox News up to the front row in the briefing room, according to sources familiar with the process. The WHCA board's decision was unanimous. [It's now confirmed; see update below]

Since veteran journalist Helen Thomas retired, three news organizations—Fox News, Bloomberg News, and NPR—have argued that they should move to the front row. Fox News will join the broadcast networks and CNN up front.

However, Fox News will not be taking Thomas's long-held seat in the center.

The Associated Press moves to the center under the new set-up, with Fox News taking the wire service's spot in the front row. (The Upshot reported last week on briefing room speculation that this is how the move would play out).

Obama and HelentThe idea of moving the AP—which normally gets the first question at presidential press conferences—was under discussion in recent years, long before Thomas retired. Bloomberg remains in the second row, while NPR moves up from the third row to Fox's current seat.

Several news organizations also petitioned to get regular seats in the briefing room (or keep their current seats).

The Financial Times will now get a regular seat, while U.S News & World Report—a news organization that has been scaled back in recent years—lost its seat. The foreign press pool also now gets its own seat.

In addition, Politico and American Urban Radio Networks moved up to the third row. The Washington Times, which has cut back significantly in the past year, moves from the third to fourth row.

UPDATE: The WHCA, in a statement, confirmed the news and described the decision as "very difficult." However, the board said they were "persuaded by Fox's length of service and commitment to the White House television pool."

[Rockindeano]

Sorry Faux "News." No seat for you.

Over 491,000 people petitioned the board of the White House Correspondents Association and asked them not to give the best seat in the White House press briefing room to FOX. Just hours ago, the board of the White House Correspondents Association met and denied the seat to FOX.

LOL, fuck them.

[slucero]

Sorry Faux "News." No seat for you.

Over 491,000 people petitioned the board of the White House Correspondents Association and asked them not to give the best seat in the White House press briefing room to FOX. Just hours ago, the board of the White House Correspondents Association met and denied the seat to FOX.

LOL, fuck them.

Like that was ever gonna happen.. lol

[Rockindeano]

Sorry Faux "News." No seat for you.

Over 491,000 people petitioned the board of the White House Correspondents Association and asked them not to give the best seat in the White House press briefing room to FOX. Just hours ago, the board of the White House Correspondents Association met and denied the seat to FOX.

LOL, fuck them.

Like that was ever gonna happen.. lol

Slucero, it's not a political decision. It's a decision of the White House Correspondence, a non political affiliated entity.

[slucero]

Sorry Faux "News." No seat for you.

Over 491,000 people petitioned the board of the White House Correspondents Association and asked them not to give the best seat in the White House press briefing room to FOX. Just hours ago, the board of the White House Correspondents Association met and denied the seat to FOX.

LOL, fuck them.

Like that was ever gonna happen.. lol

Slucero, it's not a political decision. It's a decision of the White House Correspondence, a non political affiliated entity.

I'm not saying its WRONG.. but it is political... If you really believe that White House Correspondence is going to give a front row seat to a news channel that Obama and his press staff have the following opinion of:

The White House's communications director says that Fox News is little more than a wing of the Republican Party.

"The reality of it is that Fox News often operates as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party," Anita Dunn told CNN's Howard Kurtz on Sunday. "And it’s not ideological. I mean, obviously there are many commentators who are conservative, liberal, centrist, and everybody understands that. What I think is fair to say about Fox is — and certainly the way we view it — is that it really is more of a wing of the Republican Party."

... I thought you were smarter than that..

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm not saying its WRONG.. but it is political... If you really believe that White House Correspondence is going to give a front row seat to a news channel that Obama and his press staff have the following opinion of:

Fox has been moved up to the front row, just not the front row center seat formerly occupied by Helen Thomas. Given that Obama has done more to appease his ideological opposites than his own base that got him elected, the upgrade is not surprising.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wir ... d=11301462

[slucero]

I'm not saying its WRONG.. but it is political... If you really believe that White House Correspondence is going to give a front row seat to a news channel that Obama and his press staff have the following opinion of:

Fox has been moved up to the front row, just not the front row center seat formerly occupied by Helen Thomas. Given that Obama has done more to appease his ideological opposites than his own base that got him elected, the upgrade is not surprising.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wir ... d=11301462

Great.. but I still content that everything washington does has is politically driven.. including what the White House Correspondence does.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Great.. but I still content that everything washington does has is politically driven.. including what the White House Correspondence does.

You're right. In this case, Obama is eating right wing ass (once again).

[Lula]

interesting and curious to hear arguments further.

Virginia Judge Allows Lawsuit Over Federal Health Care Reform
By ANNIE YOUDERIAN

RICHMOND, Va. (CN) - A federal judge has rejected the Justice Department's request to toss out a lawsuit challenging the health care reform bill President Obama signed into law in March. "While this case raises a host of complex constitutional issues, all seem to distill to the single question of whether or not Congress has the power to regulate -- and tax -- a citizen's decision not to participate in interstate commerce," U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson wrote.
Minutes after Obama signed the health care reform bill into law, attorneys general in at least 14 states filed lawsuits challenging it. Florida and a dozen other states challenged the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act in a federal court in Florida, while Virginia Attorney General Kenneth Cuccinelli II filed a separate lawsuit in Richmond.
Virginia claims the mandate requiring the majority of Virginians to buy health insurance or pay a fine violates a state anti-reform bill passed earlier this year and signed into law by Gov. Bob McDonnell.
The government, through the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, asked Judge Hudson to dismiss the lawsuit, claiming it has the authority to mandate coverage to pay the $43 billion yearly medical tab for those without health insurance.
Secretary Kathleen Sebelius also argued that the bill was a valid exercise of Congress' taxing and spending power, and does not burden state rights.
But Virginia claims the bill does exactly that: It interferes with state rights in violation of the 10th Amendment.
"Given the presence of some authority arguably supporting the theory underlying each side's position," Hudson wrote, "this court cannot conclude at this stage that the complaint fails to state a cause of action."
Hudson denied the federal government's motion to dismiss.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/08/02/29266.htm

[Rockindeano]

Uh oh Cons-

New Health Care Poll out. Not to your liking is it? Read it and suck on it.


Kaiser Health Tracking Poll — July 2010

50% For

35% Against

The July Health Tracking Poll indicates overall public support for the health reform law is steady from June, while unfavorable views of the law have trended downward. Half the public (50%) now expresses a favorable view of the law, while 35 percent say they have an unfavorable opinion (down from 41% in June).



[Saint John]

Monday, August 02, 2010

Voter pessimism towards the new national health care bill has reached an all-time high, while the number of insured voters who feel it will force them to switch their coverage is up 11 points from early last month.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters say the recently passed health care law will be bad for the country. That’s the highest level of pessimism measured since regular tracking began following Congress' passage of the law in late March. Thirty-two percent (32%) say the health care plan will be good for the United States.

Prior to this survey, belief that the plan is good for the country ranged from 34% to 41%, while those who predict it will be bad for the country range from 49% to 54%.

Yet while 70% of Mainstream voters feel the bill is bad for the country, 80% of the Political Class disagree and see it as a good thing for America.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of all voters now favor repeal of the health care bill. Thirty-eight percent (38%) oppose repeal. These findings include 45% who Strongly Favor repeal and 28% who Strongly Oppose repeal. Support for repeal has ranged from 52% to 63%, while opposition has ranged from 32% to 42%.

Most Republicans and unaffiliated voters continue to strongly favor repeal of the health care bill and believe it will be bad for the country. Democrats, on the other hand, have remained supportive of the bill and feel it will be positive for the country.


The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on July 30-31, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

An overwhelming majority (77%) of those with health insurance rate their coverage as good or excellent, while only seven percent (7%) say it's poor. These figures show little change since early June.

Roughly half (51%) of those insured voters, however, say it’s at least somewhat likely that passage of the health care bill will mean they have to change their insurance. That’s up from 40% in early July and the highest level measured in two months. Twenty-nine percent (29%) say it's Very Likely.

Thirty-eight percent (38%) believe it’s not likely they will have to switch their insurance.

For the first time since President Obama took office, voters see his policies as equally to blame with those of President George W. Bush for the country’s current economic problems.

Forty-four percent (44%) expect their taxes to increase under Obama.

Most voters see cutting spending and cutting deficits as good for the economy.

[Rockindeano]

Dan, Dan, Dn. As soon as I read in your post and saw Rasmussen Reports, I stopped reading. They are extremely right wing leading. Whatever they show, reverse it 10 points.

[Saint John]

Dan, Dan, Dn. As soon as I read in your post and saw Rasmussen Reports, I stopped reading. They are extremely right wing leading. Whatever they show, reverse it 10 points.

You just can't help yourself, can you??? Yeah, they seem "extremely right wing leading."


The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate?

The Pew Research Center and Rasmussen Reports were the most accurate in predicting the results of the 2008 election, according to a new analysis by Fordham University political scientist Costas Panagopoulos.

The Fordham analysis ranks 23 survey research organizations on their final, national pre-election polls, as reported on pollster.com.

On average, the polls slightly overestimated Obama's strength. The final polls showed the Democratic ahead by an average of 7.52 percentage points -- 1.37 percentage points above his current 6.15-point popular vote lead. Seventeen of the 23 surveys overstated Obama's final victory level, while four underestimated it. Only two -- Rasmussen and Pew -- were spot on.

[Saint John]

More "extremely right wing leaning" stuff from today:

(Harry)Reid has edged ahead of Republican Sharron Angle in his bid for reelection to the Senate from Nevada, a contest between two candidates viewed as extremists by large numbers of voters. Nevada is now rated Leans Democrat in the Rasmussen Reports Senate Balance of Power rankings.