President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Lula]

here is some interesting gallup stuff

"Still, Obama's initial approval rating in his second year as president is among the lowest for elected presidents since Dwight Eisenhower. Only Ronald Reagan -- who, like Obama, took office during challenging economic times -- began his second year in office with a lower approval score (49%). However, Obama's disapproval rating is slightly higher than Reagan's was (44% vs. 40%)."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124949/appro ... -spot.aspx

[conversationpc]

here is some interesting gallup stuff

"Still, Obama's initial approval rating in his second year as president is among the lowest for elected presidents since Dwight Eisenhower. Only Ronald Reagan -- who, like Obama, took office during challenging economic times -- began his second year in office with a lower approval score (49%). However, Obama's disapproval rating is slightly higher than Reagan's was (44% vs. 40%)."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124949/appro ... -spot.aspx

Unfortunately for Obama, our debt is far more crushing now than it was then. It can be turned around and I hope he can do it but, from what I've seen in the 1 & 1/2+ years that he's been in office, I'm not too hopeful.

[Lula]

not exactly pleased with obama's job performance, but not ready to give up on him either. wish he would get rid of a few of his top dogs tho, i think rahm emanual needs to go.

[conversationpc]

not exactly pleased with obama's job performance, but not ready to give up on him either. wish he would get rid of a few of his top dogs tho, i think rahm emanual needs to go.

We agree on something! Yay!

[Rockindeano]

not exactly pleased with obama's job performance, but not ready to give up on him either. wish he would get rid of a few of his top dogs tho, i think rahm emanual needs to go.

We agree on something! Yay!

Obama should make the switch- pull CIA Chief Leon Panetta and instill him as Chief of Staff. He did it brilliantly under Clinton. Emanuel, with all his Chicago style politics, seems lost. The guy is clueless, as is David Axlerod. Fuck, give me the job. I will guarantee you the White House would develop an instant backbone and develop a concise message overnight.

[conversationpc]

not exactly pleased with obama's job performance, but not ready to give up on him either. wish he would get rid of a few of his top dogs tho, i think rahm emanual needs to go.

We agree on something! Yay!

Obama should make the switch- pull CIA Chief Leon Panetta and instill him as Chief of Staff. He did it brilliantly under Clinton. Emanuel, with all his Chicago style politics, seems lost. The guy is clueless, as is David Axlerod. Fuck, give me the job. I will guarantee you the White House would develop an instant backbone and develop a concise message overnight.

I haven't always been a Panetta fan but I think he's done a decent job at the CIA. He'd be a huge improvement over Dead Fish.

[Rockindeano]

Gee, that bumper sticker looks to have been there awhile, say maybe, 8 years or so?

[donnaplease]

More right wing leaning polls...



NEW LOW FOR O: USATODAYGALLUP HAS OBAMA APPROVE AT 41%...

Only 41% of those surveyed Tuesday through Sunday approved of the way Obama is handling his job, his lowest rating in the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll since he took office in January 2009. In Gallup's separate daily tracking poll, his approval was at 45% Monday.

What was Bush at his lowest? Clinton? Just curious how it correlates.

when clinton left office he was about 66% and gore won the popular vote, but alas bush won the electoral college, bush left office with about 34% just like carter.

Certainly that wasn't his lowest rating though? Apples to apples please.

[conversationpc]

Gee, that bumper sticker looks to have been there awhile, say maybe, 8 years or so?

Closer to 10, I think.

[Rockindeano]

Gee, that bumper sticker looks to have been there awhile, say maybe, 8 years or so?

Closer to 10, I think.

You make no sense. Are you saying Clinton was an idiot? Even the hard core Cons won't say that.

[AlteredDNA]

More right wing leaning polls...



NEW LOW FOR O: USATODAYGALLUP HAS OBAMA APPROVE AT 41%...

Only 41% of those surveyed Tuesday through Sunday approved of the way Obama is handling his job, his lowest rating in the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll since he took office in January 2009. In Gallup's separate daily tracking poll, his approval was at 45% Monday.

What was Bush at his lowest? Clinton? Just curious how it correlates.

when clinton left office he was about 66% and gore won the popular vote, but alas bush won the electoral college, bush left office with about 34% just like carter.

Certainly that wasn't his lowest rating though? Apples to apples please.

Lowest Points:
Clinton - 37
Bush - 29

[Rockindeano]

More right wing leaning polls...



NEW LOW FOR O: USATODAYGALLUP HAS OBAMA APPROVE AT 41%...

Only 41% of those surveyed Tuesday through Sunday approved of the way Obama is handling his job, his lowest rating in the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll since he took office in January 2009. In Gallup's separate daily tracking poll, his approval was at 45% Monday.

What was Bush at his lowest? Clinton? Just curious how it correlates.

when clinton left office he was about 66% and gore won the popular vote, but alas bush won the electoral college, bush left office with about 34% just like carter.

Certainly that wasn't his lowest rating though? Apples to apples please.

Lowest Points:
Clinton - 37
Bush - 29

However,


When comparing Clinton and Shrub, Clinton was at 37 after the all out assault on his damaging, world threatening blow job by the republicans. Shrub got to 29 by just being stupid and reckless. BIG difference between these two. You can't even compare them. One was very good, and the other the worst ever.

[slucero]

Gee, that bumper sticker looks to have been there awhile, say maybe, 8 years or so?

Closer to 10, I think.

You make no sense. Are you saying Clinton was an idiot? Even the hard core Cons won't say that.

Clinton attended Oxford on a Rhodes Scholarship where he studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics, but he did not obtain a degree there... he transfered to Yale Law School and obtained a Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree in 1973.

Alan Greenspan, considered a "Depression Scholar", went on to Columbia University, intending to pursue advanced economic studies, but subsequently dropped out. At Columbia, Greenspan studied economics under the tutelage of future Fed chairman Arthur Burns, who constantly warned of the dangers of inflation. In 1977, NYU awarded him a Ph.D. in economics. His dissertation is not available from NYU since it was removed at Greenspan's request in 1987, when he became Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. However, a single copy has been found, and the 'introduction includes a discussion of soaring housing prices and their effect on consumer spending; it even anticipates a bursting housing bubble'

Greenspan wrote the following:

When business in the United States underwent a mild contraction in 1927, the Federal Reserve created more paper reserves in the hope of forestalling any possible bank reserve shortage. More disastrous, however, was the Federal Reserve's attempt to assist Great Britain who had been losing gold to us because the Bank of England refused to allow interest rates to rise when market forces dictated (it was politically unpalatable). The reasoning of the authorities involved was as follows: if the Federal Reserve pumped excessive paper reserves into American banks, interest rates in the United States would fall to a level comparable with those in Great Britain; this would act to stop Britain's gold loss and avoid the political embarrassment of having to raise interest rates. The "Fed" succeeded; it stopped the gold loss, but it nearly destroyed the economies of the world, in the process. The excess credit which the Fed pumped into the economy spilled over into the stock market-triggering a fantastic speculative boom. Belatedly, Federal Reserve officials attempted to sop up the excess reserves and finally succeeded in braking the boom. But it was too late: by 1929 the speculative imbalances had become so overwhelming that the attempt precipitated a sharp retrenching and a consequent demoralizing of business confidence. As a result, the American economy collapsed. Great Britain fared even worse, and rather than absorb the full consequences of her previous folly, she abandoned the gold standard completely in 1931, tearing asunder what remained of the fabric of confidence and inducing a world-wide series of bank failures. The world economies plunged into the Great Depression of the 1930's.

When did he write this? “Gold and Economic Freedom,” The Objectivist, 1966 - read it here: http://www.321gold.com/fed/greenspan/1966.html
Gresnspan's own document shows he knew what would happen when the Banking Modernization Act was passed...


Clinton signed (after a Republican Congress passed) the "Banking Modernization Act of 1999", repealing 66 years of banking regulation that came about as a result of bank malfeasance that caused the Great Depression... and Greenspan was a cheerleader for it...



9 years later the banking system in the US imploded... and we've entered what many are calling the Second Great Depression..


"Idiot" is not the the word I'd use...

[Rockindeano]

And where did Shrub go to school? Yale? LOL, he couldn't get in to the University of Texas, but somehow was accepted at Yale. What a joke.

[slucero]

And where did Shrub go to school? Yale? LOL, he couldn't get in to the University of Texas, but somehow was accepted at Yale. What a joke.

Yea think about that... Both Clinton and Bush went to Yale...

You can blame Bush for whats happening now... and its probably well deserved... Bush fucked the economy good by spending like a fool... Obamas continuing the fucking.. how.. by spending like Bush

But Clinton set the table for a 1929 Wall Street repeat by signing into law that act in 1999... that a Republican Congress passed.. and later Clinton defended himself and let Congress off the hook.. saying he felt no pressure to sign it..

All these people are educated, and supposedly smart... yet here we are... getting equally fucked by BOTH PARTIES.. over and over again... yet all you Cons and Libs do is toss poo at each other like monkeys at the zoo... maybe its time people stopped pointing fingers at each other and instead STARTED pointed fingers at Washington..


They and CONGRESS are both EQUALLY to blame...

[Monker]

here is some interesting gallup stuff

"Still, Obama's initial approval rating in his second year as president is among the lowest for elected presidents since Dwight Eisenhower. Only Ronald Reagan -- who, like Obama, took office during challenging economic times -- began his second year in office with a lower approval score (49%). However, Obama's disapproval rating is slightly higher than Reagan's was (44% vs. 40%)."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124949/appro ... -spot.aspx

Unfortunately for Obama, our debt is far more crushing now than it was then. It can be turned around and I hope he can do it but, from what I've seen in the 1 & 1/2+ years that he's been in office, I'm not too hopeful.

And, this is a hypocritical argument since the Republicans, at that time, were arguing that the dept didn't matter, that our government has ALWAYS run a deficit, etc. I guess it only matter when there is some other party in power.. And, I guess it doesn't matter that the Republicans took a SURPLUS and started us down this path of ruin. I believe it was Reagan who said that it would get worse before it got better. it was no different a 1 1/2 yrs ago...in fact, the Republicans left things a LOT worse then the Democrats did with Carter.

[slucero]

here is some interesting gallup stuff

"Still, Obama's initial approval rating in his second year as president is among the lowest for elected presidents since Dwight Eisenhower. Only Ronald Reagan -- who, like Obama, took office during challenging economic times -- began his second year in office with a lower approval score (49%). However, Obama's disapproval rating is slightly higher than Reagan's was (44% vs. 40%)."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124949/appro ... -spot.aspx

Unfortunately for Obama, our debt is far more crushing now than it was then. It can be turned around and I hope he can do it but, from what I've seen in the 1 & 1/2+ years that he's been in office, I'm not too hopeful.

And, this is a hypocritical argument since the Republicans, at that time, were arguing that the dept didn't matter, that our government has ALWAYS run a deficit, etc. I guess it only matter when there is some other party in power.. And, I guess it doesn't matter that the Republicans took a SURPLUS and started us down this path of ruin. I believe it was Reagan who said that it would get worse before it got better. it was no different a 1 1/2 yrs ago...in fact, the Republicans left things a LOT worse then the Democrats did with Carter.

That fact that BOTH left things worse should be what we focus on...

[Monker]

Bush did NOTHING to invest in this country. 6yrs of investing in Iraq and Afghanistan...and the fear of terrorism The only thing he could do for the US is suggest we go shopping, or give us a hush-puppy tax cut. At a time when we NEEDED jobs to help turn this country around the only thing he could do is point to terrorism and invent some "War Games" defcon system to scare the public into following him. What was the suggestion if there was a terrorist threat? Wrap your house with shrink wrap. Eight years of that type of crap was FAR too many. Mini-Bush did NOTHING good for this country...and a lot of things bad. Eight years of doing NOTHING.

Republicans and conservatives like to compare to Obama to Hitler, which I think is unpatriotic and insults the country as a whole. But, it was the previous president, and Republicans still do it today, who play the politics of fear and negative propaganda to a sickening degree. Tbey demonize to scare voters and get both support and negative popular views of their opposition. That is more Nazi like then anything that has gone on with the other side. The politics of fear and propaganda is what Nazi's, Communists, Fascists, and Republicans do best.

Right now, I think Palin will win the Republican nomination. That may change, I hope so. But, she's learned how to play the game. She knows how to rile up the core of the Republican party. She knows how to take a slight truth and misrepresent it to rouse up the Republicans, and make the Democrats look bad. Don't know if it will be enough to win an election...but it is certainly enough to win a Republican nomination to run against a first term president. She's not smart...but, mini-Bush proves that people will vote for stupid people if they are scared, angry, or both....and that is what she is playing to.

And where did Shrub go to school? Yale? LOL, he couldn't get in to the University of Texas, but somehow was accepted at Yale. What a joke.

Yea think about that... Both Clinton and Bush went to Yale...

You can blame Bush for whats happening now... and its probably well deserved... Bush fucked the economy good by spending like a fool... Obamas continuing the fucking.. how.. by spending like Bush

But Clinton set the table for a 1929 Wall Street repeat by signing into law that act in 1999... that a Republican Congress passed.. and later Clinton defended himself and let Congress off the hook.. saying he felt no pressure to sign it..

All these people are educated, and supposedly smart... yet here we are... getting equally fucked by BOTH PARTIES.. over and over again... yet all you Cons and Libs do is toss poo at each other like monkeys at the zoo... maybe its time people stopped pointing fingers at each other and instead STARTED pointed fingers at Washington..


They and CONGRESS are both EQUALLY to blame...

[slucero]

Bush did NOTHING to invest in this country. 6yrs of investing in Iraq and Afghanistan...and the fear of terrorism The only thing he could do for the US is suggest we go shopping, or give us a hush-puppy tax cut. At a time when we NEEDED jobs to help turn this country around the only thing he could do is point to terrorism and invent some "War Games" defcon system to scare the public into following him. What was the suggestion if there was a terrorist threat? Wrap your house with shrink wrap. Eight years of that type of crap was FAR too many. Mini-Bush did NOTHING good for this country...and a lot of things bad. Eight years of doing NOTHING.

Republicans and conservatives like to compare to Obama to Hitler, which I think is unpatriotic and insults the country as a whole. But, it was the previous president, and Republicans still do it today, who play the politics of fear and negative propaganda to a sickening degree. Tbey demonize to scare voters and get both support and negative popular views of their opposition. That is more Nazi like then anything that has gone on with the other side. The politics of fear and propaganda is what Nazi's, Communists, Fascists, and Republicans do best.

Right now, I think Palin will win the Republican nomination. That may change, I hope so. But, she's learned how to play the game. She knows how to rile up the core of the Republican party. She knows how to take a slight truth and misrepresent it to rouse up the Republicans, and make the Democrats look bad. Don't know if it will be enough to win an election...but it is certainly enough to win a Republican nomination to run against a first term president. She's not smart...but, mini-Bush proves that people will vote for stupid people if they are scared, angry, or both....and that is what she is playing to.

And where did Shrub go to school? Yale? LOL, he couldn't get in to the University of Texas, but somehow was accepted at Yale. What a joke.

Yea think about that... Both Clinton and Bush went to Yale...

You can blame Bush for whats happening now... and its probably well deserved... Bush fucked the economy good by spending like a fool... Obamas continuing the fucking.. how.. by spending like Bush

But Clinton set the table for a 1929 Wall Street repeat by signing into law that act in 1999... that a Republican Congress passed.. and later Clinton defended himself and let Congress off the hook.. saying he felt no pressure to sign it..

All these people are educated, and supposedly smart... yet here we are... getting equally fucked by BOTH PARTIES.. over and over again... yet all you Cons and Libs do is toss poo at each other like monkeys at the zoo... maybe its time people stopped pointing fingers at each other and instead STARTED pointed fingers at Washington..


They and CONGRESS are both EQUALLY to blame...

I disagree... there are 3 sides in this.. the Democrats, the Republicans, and the People. Choosing one of the two former is a non-starter, as both are corrupt, and culpable for the situation we are in now..

[Rockindeano]

Right now, I think Palin will win the Republican nomination. That may change, I hope so. But, she's learned how to play the game. She knows how to rile up the core of the Republican party. She knows how to take a slight truth and misrepresent it to rouse up the Republicans, and make the Democrats look bad. Don't know if it will be enough to win an election...but it is certainly enough to win a Republican nomination to run against a first term president. She's not smart...but, mini-Bush proves that people will vote for stupid people if they are scared, angry, or both....and that is what she is playing to.

Helluva post Monker except this part. NO WAY does Palin see a nomination. People aren't that fucking stupid. I get she'll do the fear card on people, and she will rouse up the right, but that's where it stops. Gingrich is a far superior candidate, who can interview and talk without having notes jotted down on his palm. I cannot see he winning the nomination, let alone the presidency. I'll move to Mexico if she wins. I will gladly give up my citizenship to a Mexican if that happens. I want no part of a Palin run America.

The three scariest words in the dictionary: President Sarah Palin.

[slucero]

Right now, I think Palin will win the Republican nomination. That may change, I hope so. But, she's learned how to play the game. She knows how to rile up the core of the Republican party. She knows how to take a slight truth and misrepresent it to rouse up the Republicans, and make the Democrats look bad. Don't know if it will be enough to win an election...but it is certainly enough to win a Republican nomination to run against a first term president. She's not smart...but, mini-Bush proves that people will vote for stupid people if they are scared, angry, or both....and that is what she is playing to.

Helluva post Monker except this part. NO WAY does Palin see a nomination. People aren't that fucking stupid. I get she'll do the fear card on people, and she will rouse up the right, but that's where it stops. Gingrich is a far superior candidate, who can interview and talk without having notes jotted down on his palm. I cannot see he winning the nomination, let alone the presidency. I'll move to Mexico if she wins. I will gladly give up my citizenship to a Mexican if that happens. I want no part of a Palin run America.

The three scariest words in the dictionary: President Sarah Palin.

Palin will not even run... she's toxic for for the swing vote..

And I'll move to Mexico WITH YOU Deano... We can sit on a beach in Ensenada and get hammered all damn day long...

[Rockindeano]

Right now, I think Palin will win the Republican nomination. That may change, I hope so. But, she's learned how to play the game. She knows how to rile up the core of the Republican party. She knows how to take a slight truth and misrepresent it to rouse up the Republicans, and make the Democrats look bad. Don't know if it will be enough to win an election...but it is certainly enough to win a Republican nomination to run against a first term president. She's not smart...but, mini-Bush proves that people will vote for stupid people if they are scared, angry, or both....and that is what she is playing to.

Helluva post Monker except this part. NO WAY does Palin see a nomination. People aren't that fucking stupid. I get she'll do the fear card on people, and she will rouse up the right, but that's where it stops. Gingrich is a far superior candidate, who can interview and talk without having notes jotted down on his palm. I cannot see he winning the nomination, let alone the presidency. I'll move to Mexico if she wins. I will gladly give up my citizenship to a Mexican if that happens. I want no part of a Palin run America.

The three scariest words in the dictionary: President Sarah Palin.

Palin will not even run... she's toxic for for the swing vote..

And I'll move to Mexico WITH YOU Deano... We can sit on a beach in Ensenada and get hammered all damn day long...

I'm fucking serious dude. I would rather suck dicks and take it in the ass than live under a Palin presidency.

[RedWingFan]

Today is President Obama's birthday. So he says!

[donnaplease]

I guess it only matters when there is some other party in power...

How true, on both sides of the aisle. The hypocrisy from both camps is sickening.

That said, if you guys don't think the dems play on people's 'fears', you're crazy and dead wrong. They are just as evil in that manner as republicans. The only difference I see is that democrats have different fears than republicans. There is very little positive campaigning going on in our country, it's generally all about knocking down the other guy.

What Abe Lincoln said in 1858 is even truer today: A house divided upon itself cannot stand. (Matthew 12:25). We're in trouble, folks.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

What Abe Lincoln said in 1858 is even truer today: A house divided upon itself cannot stand. (Matthew 12:25). We're in trouble, folks.

Worked fine for Journey . They are still around. Granted one of em had to suddenly quit with a hip accident, but they are still standing

[conversationpc]

And, this is a hypocritical argument since the Republicans, at that time, were arguing that the dept didn't matter, that our government has ALWAYS run a deficit, etc. I guess it only matter when there is some other party in power.. And, I guess it doesn't matter that the Republicans took a SURPLUS and started us down this path of ruin. I believe it was Reagan who said that it would get worse before it got better. it was no different a 1 1/2 yrs ago...in fact, the Republicans left things a LOT worse then the Democrats did with Carter.

How is it hypocritical on my part? I've NEVER argued that debt doesn't matter. I'm not a Republican anyway.

Republicans and conservatives like to compare to Obama to Hitler...

Sorry, nope. Not this conservative.

[RocknRoll]

No way can Palin run in 2012. I'm actually looking at Costa Rica(safer) and I'll be there if Palin gets in. My bet for the Republican ticket is either:

Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty - Fiscally conservative in a very liberal state or
Wisconsin Representative Paul Ryan - This guy at least thinks. I don't agree with all of his Roadmap for America but at least he has a plan to get us out of this mess.
http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/

[conversationpc]

No way can Palin run in 2012. I'm actually looking at Costa Rica(safer) and I'll be there if Palin gets in.

This is just as ridiculous as the folks like Alec Baldwin saying they would move out of the country if Bush was re-elected in 2004. Come on.

[RocknRoll]

No way can Palin run in 2012. I'm actually looking at Costa Rica(safer) and I'll be there if Palin gets in.

This is just as ridiculous as the folks like Alec Baldwin saying they would move out of the country if Bush was re-elected in 2004. Come on.

Actually Costa Rica has a lot going for it. It's beautiful and very reasonable to live there even part-time. Check it out.

[Rockindeano]

No way can Palin run in 2012. I'm actually looking at Costa Rica(safer) and I'll be there if Palin gets in.

This is just as ridiculous as the folks like Alec Baldwin saying they would move out of the country if Bush was re-elected in 2004. Come on.

Nothing funny about it Dave. She is so incompetent. Are you saying you think she can handle this job? Fuck, she just quit as Alaska's Governor for Christ' sake. America will be laughed at worldwide if she gets anywhere close to that office. You think Obama is bad...God help us if Palin wins.