President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[fredinator]

There may be cases where a partial birth abortion is done in the hospital when the mother's life is in danger-but again, it is getting the baby out that saves the mother's life-not ending the baby's life intentionally that saves the mother's life.

This doesn't make sense; also, how do YOU know at what point the mother's life is in danger or not? Wouldn't that be the doc's call? I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want you as my nurse, lol--sorry.

[RossValoryRocks]

This doesn't make sense; also, how do YOU know at what point the mother's life is in danger or not? Wouldn't that be the doc's call? I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want you as my nurse, lol--sorry.

Talk about NOT making sense?

WTF is that Fred?

Geezus. It's REAL simple...usually a mothers life is in danger because she has a baby inside of her, delivery of a baby that is alive is no more of strain on the mother's life than delivering a baby that has been killed utilizing any method of abortion.

So why is the abortion done at all?

Oh an ripping on Nat for being a nurse and having experience in this area, while you rely on anecdotal experience gleaned second hand from your sister? That's about the same as saying, "My dads a pilot so I can fly a plane!" and really shows what a first class prick you are.

[Angel]

When I was an RN I had a pretty good idea when a mother's life was in danger-I monitored moms all the time and called the docs when I was concerned and then they came in and did an assessment and gave orders. Now that I'm a certified nurse midwife-I still know when a mother's life is in danger but now I am also giving the orders as well as collaborating with physicians when necessary. Besides, WHEN the mother's life is in danger is not even the issue. The issue is that Hillary Clinton supports killing babies that may otherwise live-and then she says it's because it protects the mother's life.

It's too bad you wouldn't want me as your nurse cuz I'm the best.

[Angel]

Talk about NOT making sense?

WTF is that Fred?

Geezus. It's REAL simple...usually a mothers life is in danger because she has a baby inside of her, delivery of a baby that is alive is no more of strain on the mother's life than delivering a baby that has been killed utilizing any method of abortion.

So why is the abortion done at all?

Oh an ripping on Nat for being a nurse and having experience in this area, while you rely on anecdotal experience gleaned second hand from your sister? That's about the same as saying, "My dads a pilot so I can fly a plane!" and really shows what a first class prick you are.

Thanks Stu. I'm glad someone gets what I'm saying.

[fredinator]

This doesn't make sense; also, how do YOU know at what point the mother's life is in danger or not? Wouldn't that be the doc's call? I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want you as my nurse, lol--sorry.

Talk about NOT making sense?

WTF is that Fred?

Geezus. It's REAL simple...usually a mothers life is in danger because she has a baby inside of her, delivery of a baby that is alive is no more of strain on the mother's life than delivering a baby that has been killed utilizing any method of abortion.

So why is the abortion done at all?

Oh an ripping on Nat for being a nurse and having experience in this area, while you rely on anecdotal experience gleaned second hand from your sister? That's about the same as saying, "My dads a pilot so I can fly a plane!" and really shows what a first class prick you are.

You are an idiot and neither one of you is a doctor. A doctor determines when and why a mother's life is in danger--not you two--or when or if a fetus is viable or endangering a mother's life. According to my sister, that decision is ultimately debated by an ethics committee. At least Stu dodo I have tried to glean information from a reliable source unlike yourself who pulled all the above out of your ass.

[Angel]

I am done here. You have NO idea what you are talking about....NONE so there's no point in even trying anymore. Just out of curiosity, which department does your sister work in?

OH, and yes, I do make decisions about when a mother's life is in danger-I went to school for a very long time to be able to say that and no, I'm not a doctor but I'm a hell of alot closer than you are.

[Rick]

This doesn't make sense; also, how do YOU know at what point the mother's life is in danger or not? Wouldn't that be the doc's call? I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want you as my nurse, lol--sorry.

Talk about NOT making sense?

WTF is that Fred?

Geezus. It's REAL simple...usually a mothers life is in danger because she has a baby inside of her, delivery of a baby that is alive is no more of strain on the mother's life than delivering a baby that has been killed utilizing any method of abortion.

So why is the abortion done at all?

Oh an ripping on Nat for being a nurse and having experience in this area, while you rely on anecdotal experience gleaned second hand from your sister? That's about the same as saying, "My dads a pilot so I can fly a plane!" and really shows what a first class prick you are.

Reminds me of Bill Murray in Groundhog Day, when the piano teacher expresses her amazement at how well he does on his supposed first piano lesson and he says "Well, my dad is a piano mover, so...."

[RossValoryRocks]

This doesn't make sense; also, how do YOU know at what point the mother's life is in danger or not? Wouldn't that be the doc's call? I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want you as my nurse, lol--sorry.

Talk about NOT making sense?

WTF is that Fred?

Geezus. It's REAL simple...usually a mothers life is in danger because she has a baby inside of her, delivery of a baby that is alive is no more of strain on the mother's life than delivering a baby that has been killed utilizing any method of abortion.

So why is the abortion done at all?

Oh an ripping on Nat for being a nurse and having experience in this area, while you rely on anecdotal experience gleaned second hand from your sister? That's about the same as saying, "My dads a pilot so I can fly a plane!" and really shows what a first class prick you are.

You are an idiot and neither one of you is a doctor. A doctor determines when and why a mother's life is in danger--not you two--or when or if a fetus is viable or endangering a mother's life. According to my sister, that decision is ultimately debated by an ethics committee. At least Stu dodo I have tried to glean information from a reliable source unlike yourself who pulled all the above out of your ass.

How old are you?? Six??? I didn't pull the above information out of my ass moron, it's what Angel was trying to tell you.

Yes a doctor determines if a mothers life is in danger, usually on the advice of a nurse who is more intimately involved with the delivery than the doctor is up to the point of hard labor and delivery.

And some "sister" who may or may not exist, or may or may not be an OB/GYN nurse isn't a reliable source. I KNOW Angel, she is a REAL living breathing person...I know her credentials and all of that...your sister could be some imaginary friend of yours for all I know.

The whole point is this, if just delivering a baby (alive or dead) takes the mother out of danger...why does an abortion need to be performed at all?

Answer that question fucktard and let see how you dance around the issue.

OH and I am an "abortion rights supporter" because I don't think it is the governments place to interfere in a private decision, no matter how distasteful I find that decision to be.

[fredinator]

I am done here. You have NO idea what you are talking about....NONE so there's no point in even trying anymore. Just out of curiosity, which department does your sister work in?

OH, and yes, I do make decisions about when a mother's life is in danger-I went to school for a very long time to be able to say that and no, I'm not a doctor but I'm a hell of alot closer than you are.

She's an OB/GYN RN. She used to be a pediatric intensive care nurse but liked OB work more. She was an administrator for a few years but didn't like the hassle for less pay; she's been a director of nurses before but felt the same as when she was an administrator. What about it?

I would not want you as my nurse, no.

[Angel]

I am done here. You have NO idea what you are talking about....NONE so there's no point in even trying anymore. Just out of curiosity, which department does your sister work in?

OH, and yes, I do make decisions about when a mother's life is in danger-I went to school for a very long time to be able to say that and no, I'm not a doctor but I'm a hell of alot closer than you are.

She's an OB/GYN RN. She used to be a pediatric intensive care nurse but liked OB work more. She was an administrator for a few years but didn't like the hassle for less pay; she's been a director of nurses before but felt the same as when she was an administrator. What about it?

I would not want you as my nurse, no.

OB/GYN tells me nothing....postpartum? labor and delivery? office nurse? antepartum? GYN surgical nurse? OB/GYN is a very broad area.

I don't really mind that you don't want me as your nurse....and I'd prefer it if you would refer to me by the correct title from here on out...CERTIFIED NURSE MIDWIFE. Normally I don't care but credentials seem to be very important to you.

[RossValoryRocks]

I am done here. You have NO idea what you are talking about....NONE so there's no point in even trying anymore. Just out of curiosity, which department does your sister work in?

OH, and yes, I do make decisions about when a mother's life is in danger-I went to school for a very long time to be able to say that and no, I'm not a doctor but I'm a hell of alot closer than you are.

She's an OB/GYN RN. She used to be a pediatric intensive care nurse but liked OB work more. She was an administrator for a few years but didn't like the hassle for less pay; she's been a director of nurses before but felt the same as when she was an administrator. What about it?

I would not want you as my nurse, no.

I'd take Angel on her WORST day over your sister...then again...maybe she just answering based on the way you asked the questions and doesn't understand you are ruining her credentials by how you repeat what you heard.

[fredinator]

This doesn't make sense; also, how do YOU know at what point the mother's life is in danger or not? Wouldn't that be the doc's call? I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want you as my nurse, lol--sorry.

Talk about NOT making sense?

WTF is that Fred?

Geezus. It's REAL simple...usually a mothers life is in danger because she has a baby inside of her, delivery of a baby that is alive is no more of strain on the mother's life than delivering a baby that has been killed utilizing any method of abortion.

So why is the abortion done at all?

Oh an ripping on Nat for being a nurse and having experience in this area, while you rely on anecdotal experience gleaned second hand from your sister? That's about the same as saying, "My dads a pilot so I can fly a plane!" and really shows what a first class prick you are.

You are an idiot and neither one of you is a doctor. A doctor determines when and why a mother's life is in danger--not you two--or when or if a fetus is viable or endangering a mother's life. According to my sister, that decision is ultimately debated by an ethics committee. At least Stu dodo I have tried to glean information from a reliable source unlike yourself who pulled all the above out of your ass.

How old are you?? Six??? I didn't pull the above information out of my ass moron, it's what Angel was trying to tell you.

Yes a doctor determines if a mothers life is in danger, usually on the advice of a nurse who is more intimately involved with the delivery than the doctor is up to the point of hard labor and delivery.

And some "sister" who may or may not exist, or may or may not be an OB/GYN nurse isn't a reliable source. I KNOW Angel, she is a REAL living breathing person...I know her credentials and all of that...your sister could be some imaginary friend of yours for all I know.

The whole point is this, if just delivering a baby (alive or dead) takes the mother out of danger...why does an abortion need to be performed at all?

Answer that question fucktard and let see how you dance around the issue.

OH and I am an "abortion rights supporter" because I don't think it is the governments place to interfere in a private decision, no matter how distasteful I find that decision to be.

Dang, you're everything on this board, aren't you? Lawyer, legislator, doctor, nurse, woman (lol)... Creep.

[RossValoryRocks]

This doesn't make sense; also, how do YOU know at what point the mother's life is in danger or not? Wouldn't that be the doc's call? I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want you as my nurse, lol--sorry.

Talk about NOT making sense?

WTF is that Fred?

Geezus. It's REAL simple...usually a mothers life is in danger because she has a baby inside of her, delivery of a baby that is alive is no more of strain on the mother's life than delivering a baby that has been killed utilizing any method of abortion.

So why is the abortion done at all?

Oh an ripping on Nat for being a nurse and having experience in this area, while you rely on anecdotal experience gleaned second hand from your sister? That's about the same as saying, "My dads a pilot so I can fly a plane!" and really shows what a first class prick you are.

You are an idiot and neither one of you is a doctor. A doctor determines when and why a mother's life is in danger--not you two--or when or if a fetus is viable or endangering a mother's life. According to my sister, that decision is ultimately debated by an ethics committee. At least Stu dodo I have tried to glean information from a reliable source unlike yourself who pulled all the above out of your ass.

How old are you?? Six??? I didn't pull the above information out of my ass moron, it's what Angel was trying to tell you.

Yes a doctor determines if a mothers life is in danger, usually on the advice of a nurse who is more intimately involved with the delivery than the doctor is up to the point of hard labor and delivery.

And some "sister" who may or may not exist, or may or may not be an OB/GYN nurse isn't a reliable source. I KNOW Angel, she is a REAL living breathing person...I know her credentials and all of that...your sister could be some imaginary friend of yours for all I know.

The whole point is this, if just delivering a baby (alive or dead) takes the mother out of danger...why does an abortion need to be performed at all?

Answer that question fucktard and let see how you dance around the issue.

OH and I am an "abortion rights supporter" because I don't think it is the governments place to interfere in a private decision, no matter how distasteful I find that decision to be.

Dang, you're everything on this board, aren't you? Lawyer, legislator, doctor, nurse, woman (lol)... Creep.

But you didn't answer the question did you?

And better to be a creep than some piss ant who doesn't know shit about life but like to pretend because "sister" told her (him?) so.

I am not a lawyer...legislator or any of those, but I a VERY VERY well educated. Care to match degrees with me? Or life experience?

Probably not, because you would lose hands down.

[Michigan Girl]

I'm very confused ...Fred are you female or Male?!?! Stu thinks your a guy and Angel would
not be your nurse unless you were female ...I say you post like a SHE, can you tell us/ME?!?!

[RossValoryRocks]

I'm very confused ...Fred are you female or Male?!?! Stu thinks your a guy and Angel would
not be your nurse unless you were female ...I say you post like a SHE, can you tell us/ME?!?!

I am too...The name Fredinator would imply a guy...at least to me...but it's ok...Fred's confused too...about A LOT of things!

[RedWingFan]

This doesn't make sense; also, how do YOU know at what point the mother's life is in danger or not? Wouldn't that be the doc's call? I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want you as my nurse, lol--sorry.

Talk about NOT making sense?

WTF is that Fred?

Geezus. It's REAL simple...usually a mothers life is in danger because she has a baby inside of her, delivery of a baby that is alive is no more of strain on the mother's life than delivering a baby that has been killed utilizing any method of abortion.

So why is the abortion done at all?

Oh an ripping on Nat for being a nurse and having experience in this area, while you rely on anecdotal experience gleaned second hand from your sister? That's about the same as saying, "My dads a pilot so I can fly a plane!" and really shows what a first class prick you are.

Reminds me of Bill Murray in Groundhog Day, when the piano teacher expresses her amazement at how well he does on his supposed first piano lesson and he says "Well, my dad is a piano mover, so...."

Thanks Rick, I needed that laugh more than you could know!

[StevePerryHair]

I'm very confused ...Fred are you female or Male?!?! Stu thinks your a guy and Angel would
not be your nurse unless you were female ...I say you post like a SHE, can you tell us/ME?!?!

I am too...The name Fredinator would imply a guy...at least to me...but it's ok...Fred's confused too...about A LOT of things!

Fred's a she....

[RossValoryRocks]

I'm very confused ...Fred are you female or Male?!?! Stu thinks your a guy and Angel would
not be your nurse unless you were female ...I say you post like a SHE, can you tell us/ME?!?!

I am too...The name Fredinator would imply a guy...at least to me...but it's ok...Fred's confused too...about A LOT of things!

Fred's a she....

Wow...I don't know about a sex change...but a name change would seem to be in order! LOL

[StevePerryHair]

I'm very confused ...Fred are you female or Male?!?! Stu thinks your a guy and Angel would
not be your nurse unless you were female ...I say you post like a SHE, can you tell us/ME?!?!

I am too...The name Fredinator would imply a guy...at least to me...but it's ok...Fred's confused too...about A LOT of things!

Fred's a she....

Wow...I don't know about a sex change...but a name change would seem to be in order! LOL

well, some theorize she has different names..... but I have no clue about that. I just see the posts

[donnaplease]

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/abortion/page5_em.htm

•Dilatation and extraction


◦This procedure is accomplished by cervical preparation similar to cases of dilatation and evacuation, but the fetus is removed in a mostly intact condition. The fetal head s able to be collapsed after the contents are evacuated so that it may pass through the cervix.


◦Very few providers perform the procedure. It is usually reserved for cases of maternal medical complications or serious medical problems with the fetus.


◦The procedure, referred to as intact dilatation and extraction, called partial-birth abortion, has now been banned by a 2007 Supreme Court ruling.


◦To avoid performing a partial birth abortion while performing a legal dilatation and extraction, digitalis or potassium chloride may be injected onto the fetus to induce preoperative fetal death. Fetal cord cutting may accomplish this as well.


◦Research has not firmly established at what age a healthy fetus can feel pain, but generally it is thought that this occurs around 24-28 weeks.

I googled abortion clinics, and most of the ones that I looked at offered this procedure for second trimester abortions. One that I looked at in Boulder offered third trimester abortions (and interestingly, after declaring that the government had no right to tell a woman she couldn't abort the child in it's 3rd trimester, they then offered to have memorial services for the baby so that the family could say goodbye - for a nominal fee I'm sure... )

It looks like these procedures are happening, the doctors just found a way to subvert getting into trouble for it by poisoning it until it dies, then sucking it's brains out. It's a little less gory, I suppose.

None of us knows what each of the women considering this procedure is really going through. Back in the 50's, my mother's 2nd child was born anencephalic. She poor little thing had no chance at survival. Back then, of course, there was no way to know this in advance. She only rarely talked about it, but a few times she described what she was told the baby looked like (they never let her even see her). When I was in nursing school, the L&D unit had a photo album of congenital deformities in babies born there. I was looking through it and found a baby that was very possibly my older sister. I wish I could have this discussion with her, to find out what she would have done if she had these options back then.

Before this debate, I was not aware of the injection of KCl or Digoxin in utero to cause death prior to the evacuation of the baby in these later abortions. Even though we've not agreed with some of the aspects of this discussion, it was educational. Thanks, folks!

[fredinator]

When you religious, self-proclaimed morally/intellectually "superior," self-righteous dodos start showing who you really are, you get pretty abusive and ugly, or pull out the alias card. You are still an idiot and creep and no, I would never want Natalie as my nurse. Ever.

[Angel]

Fredinator, you haven't answered my question. Which department does your sister work in?

[StevePerryHair]

When you religious, self-proclaimed morally/intellectually "superior," self-righteous dodos start showing who you really are, you get pretty abusive and ugly, or pull out the alias card. You are still an idiot and creep and no, I would never want Natalie as my nurse. Ever.

I don't think HE pulled out an alias card.... I think he was making a joke that you should go by a female name because fred is pretty manly.....

[fredinator]

Well, I guess at this point if he had any PMs he would post them "for my own good." Right. That is real integrity.

[fredinator]

I am done here. You have NO idea what you are talking about....NONE so there's no point in even trying anymore. Just out of curiosity, which department does your sister work in?

OH, and yes, I do make decisions about when a mother's life is in danger-I went to school for a very long time to be able to say that and no, I'm not a doctor but I'm a hell of alot closer than you are.

She's an OB/GYN RN. She used to be a pediatric intensive care nurse but liked OB work more. She was an administrator for a few years but didn't like the hassle for less pay; she's been a director of nurses before but felt the same as when she was an administrator. What about it?

I would not want you as my nurse, no.

OB/GYN tells me nothing....postpartum? labor and delivery? office nurse? antepartum? GYN surgical nurse? OB/GYN is a very broad area.

I don't really mind that you don't want me as your nurse....and I'd prefer it if you would refer to me by the correct title from here on out...CERTIFIED NURSE MIDWIFE. Normally I don't care but credentials seem to be very important to you.

Actually, I'm done referring to you in any fashion. I also would not want you as my: postpartum, l&d, office, antepartum, GYN surgical, or certified nurse midwife. Ever.

[Angel]

Well, I'm no doctor, but I have a strong feeling you suffer from mental illness fredinator.

Which department does your "sister" work in?

[fredinator]

God, predictable, now the meds card. Tired and worn out script. I don't know--we VERY rarely discuss her job anymore. I'll ask her. She doesn't really like to talk about it either unlike yourself. She gets irritated with "my sister, the nurse."

[fredinator]

So now I'm mentally ill because I would never have you as my nurse? LOL.

[Angel]

SO.....


Michelle Obama went to Spain, maybe or maybe not on the taxpayers dollar......


Discuss.

[donnaplease]

SO.....


Michelle Obama went to Spain, maybe or maybe not on the taxpayers dollar......

...and took 40 of her closest friends...