President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

SO.....


Michelle Obama went to Spain, maybe or maybe not on the taxpayers dollar......

...and took 40 of her closest friends...

Your beloved right wing media heroes are lying to you again.
There are NOT 40 friends - try around 12, the majority of which are White House staff.
Secondly, all expenses are paid for privately, with the exception of security - which the First Lady is entitled to.

[lights1961]

SO.....


Michelle Obama went to Spain, maybe or maybe not on the taxpayers dollar......

...and took 40 of her closest friends...

Your beloved right wing media heroes are lying to you again.
There are NOT 40 friends - try around 12, the majority of which are White House staff.
Secondly, all expenses are paid for privately, with the exception of security - which the First Lady is entitled to.

THATS FUNNY... LENO had a great one last night... a book titled how to see Spain on 75,000 a day... classic...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Michele Obama is the country's first president's wife to ask taxpayers to pay for 70 secret service agents so she and her friends can take a "fun trip" to Spain. In a period likened to the Great Depression--or soon to be similar to it--the First Lady seems clueless about how her actions cost taxpayers struggling to eek out a living right now.

Asking taxpayers to foot the bill for the 70 secret service men required for her trip abroad with friends, Michele Obama doesn't seem to blink an eye. The First Lady cost taxpayers $75,000 a day for her get away, and this on the heels of a recent getaway with President Obama less than a month ago.

Michelle and friends paid $2,500 a night for their own rooms, a staggering amount when you consider the unemployed? Where's the concern for America's citizens that put her husband in office to "make a difference"? Where's the logic? Didn't she just come back from a vacation with the president? Aren't they going on a vacation every time you turn around?

If I put quote brackets around my original post, does that make mine the official truth? How about if I bold everything?
This is yet another trumped up Fox News scandal du jour (see Bowgate, Telepromptergate, ACORNgate, Black Panther Gate) that noone gives a fuck about. The first lady even went so far as to pay her own way and foot other expenses. Can you say the same thing about Bush's multiple trips out to his soundstage ranch? The GOP's desperation is pathetically sad.

[conversationpc]

If I put quote brackets around my original post, does that make mine the official truth? How about if I bold everything? This is yet another trumped up Fox News scandal du jour (see Bowgate, Telepromptergate, ACORNgate, Black Panther Gate) that noone gives a fuck about. The first lady even went so far as to pay her own way and foot other expenses. Can you say the same thing about Bush's multiple trips out to his soundstage ranch? The GOP's desperation is pathetically sad.

I haven't paid much attention to this issue and I wouldn't normally give a flying monkey crap about the President or first lady taking vacations but, considering the stench of liberal hypocrisy made about Bush's supposed over-indulgence in vacationing, it is a bit of a story, in my opinion. Also, if you're going to say "The GOP's desperation is pathetically sad", then what does that have to say about the dems doing the same thing during the last administration?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I haven't paid much attention to this issue and I wouldn't normally give a flying monkey crap about the President or first lady taking vacations but, considering the stench of liberal hypocrisy made about Bush's supposed over-indulgence in vacationing, it is a bit of a story, in my opinion. Also, if you're going to say "The GOP's desperation is pathetically sad", then what does that have to say about the dems doing the same thing during the last administration?

I don't recall any anger from the Left toward Laura Bush's personal down time. The GOP is not a serious political party. They go into an uproar over small potatos like unemployment benefits or a trip to Spain, and then vow to continue real Treasury busters like tax cuts and foreign wars.

[lights1961]

I haven't paid much attention to this issue and I wouldn't normally give a flying monkey crap about the President or first lady taking vacations but, considering the stench of liberal hypocrisy made about Bush's supposed over-indulgence in vacationing, it is a bit of a story, in my opinion. Also, if you're going to say "The GOP's desperation is pathetically sad", then what does that have to say about the dems doing the same thing during the last administration?

I don't recall any anger from the Left toward Laura Bush's personal down time. The GOP is not a serious political party. They go into an uproar over small potatos like unemployment benefits or a trip to Spain, and then vow to continue real Treasury busters like tax cuts and foreign wars.

she was usually at the Ranch with W... and when she went on trips it wasnt to flaunt what you have... it was missionary work...
of some kind... HUGE DIFFERENCE... you never saw Laura flauting herself... walking around looking important... WEAK TNC WEAK...

[The_Noble_Cause]

she was usually at the Ranch with W... and when she went on trips it wasnt to flaunt what you have... it was missionary work...
of some kind... HUGE DIFFERENCE...you never saw Laura flauting herself... walking around looking important... WEAK TNC WEAK...

Projection much? Who is flaunting anything? The first lady went on a trip with her kid - end of story. Nobody will begrudge her that, aside from the usual rabid partisans dogs who have lost all grasp of decency. Keep it up. Your party's de facto leader, Glenn Beck, is on TV nightly attacking Obama's dead mother and grandparents. Christ, what a midway carnival freakshow the GOP has become. Truly disgusting.

[lights1961]

she was usually at the Ranch with W... and when she went on trips it wasnt to flaunt what you have... it was missionary work...
of some kind... HUGE DIFFERENCE...you never saw Laura flauting herself... walking around looking important... WEAK TNC WEAK...

Projection much? Who is flaunting anything? The first lady went on a trip with her kid - end of story. Nobody will begrudge her that, aside from the usual rabid partisans dogs who have lost all grasp of decency. Keep it up. Your party's de facto leader, Glenn Beck, is on TV nightly attacking Obama's dead mother and grandparents. Christ, what a midway carnival freakshow the GOP has become. Truly disgusting.

and you were the first ones to get on W for golfing too much... hehe... like I said weak TNC...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Seems I severely lowballed the number of people on this trip and it was closer to 30 than 12. My apologies. That said, most were not Michelle's friends, and the few friends that did come, paid their own way.

[RossValoryRocks]

Seems I severely lowballed the number of people on this trip and it was closer to 30 than 12. My apologies. That said, most were not Michelle's friends, and the few friends that did come, paid their own way.

There were 70 secret service agents alone. Forget the friends total.

[Rhiannon]

God, predictable, now the meds card. Tired and worn out script. I don't know--we VERY rarely discuss her job anymore. I'll ask her. She doesn't really like to talk about it either unlike yourself. She gets irritated with "my sister, the nurse."

God, I know. My cousin's neighbor's cat's sandwich's mother's basement dwelling house goblin is the exact same way. Works as dental hygienist. Gets totally pissed off if you ask her how her day was and what she did. Periodontal health is such a sensitive, high profile life. Much like arbitrary vag nurses.

[conversationpc]

I haven't paid much attention to this issue and I wouldn't normally give a flying monkey crap about the President or first lady taking vacations but, considering the stench of liberal hypocrisy made about Bush's supposed over-indulgence in vacationing, it is a bit of a story, in my opinion. Also, if you're going to say "The GOP's desperation is pathetically sad", then what does that have to say about the dems doing the same thing during the last administration?

I don't recall any anger from the Left toward Laura Bush's personal down time. The GOP is not a serious political party. They go into an uproar over small potatos like unemployment benefits or a trip to Spain, and then vow to continue real Treasury busters like tax cuts and foreign wars.

Well, I wasn't talking about Laura's down time but the left's indignation over Bush's supposed propensity for vacationing, golf, etc., something seemingly matched and possibly exceeded by Obama. The left certainly did their fill of sniping as the Republicans are doing now. Can't disagree with that.

[The_Noble_Cause]

and you were the first ones to get on W for golfing too much... hehe... like I said weak TNC...

I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about the President's wife, not the President. Too funny. For all the chants of "stop blaming Bush" by the GOP/Teabaggers/9-12ers/ whatever you're calling yourself these days, it is YOU losers who immediately try to spit polish his turd of a legacy each time Obama screws up (real or imagined). I was discussing Michelle going on vacation with her kid. Not Bush. If Laura had went abroad with the twins, I would not have cared in the least.

[Sarah]

Well, I've taken the necessary precautions to make sure I don't get knocked up, but there's always a chance ~god forbid~ birth control fails. I hope the choice of abortion is still a choice if it ever comes to that. Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it.

Ugh, I hope I never get pregnant.

[Don]

wrong thread.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Seems I severely lowballed the number of people on this trip and it was closer to 30 than 12. My apologies. That said, most were not Michelle's friends, and the few friends that did come, paid their own way.

There were 70 secret service agents alone. Forget the friends total.

In the long term scheme of things, so what? You're still paying for the secret service security details of every living president from Carter onward. This story is not worth the ink.

[conversationpc]

Well, I've taken the necessary precautions to make sure I don't get knocked up, but there's always a chance ~god forbid~ birth control fails. I hope the choice of abortion is still a choice if it ever comes to that. Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it.

Ugh, I hope I never get pregnant.

Why should anyone help someone pay for any woman to carry a baby if she engages in sex, knowing there's ALWAYS a possibility of getting pregnant even when using birth control? Seems to me it's the responsibility of the parents to be responsible enough to either support any child they conceive or exercise enough restraint to not screw around in the first place.

[Rhiannon]

Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it.

What do you mean by that? "Pay" for you to carry it? Like an adoption service?

[Sarah]

Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it.

What do you mean by that? "Pay" for you to carry it? Like an adoption service?

I mean the medical bills.

[conversationpc]

Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it.

What do you mean by that? "Pay" for you to carry it? Like an adoption service?

I mean the medical bills.

Except for rape, expenses related to the pregnancy are ALWAYS avoidable. No one else should have to pay for anything related to it.

[Sarah]

Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it.

What do you mean by that? "Pay" for you to carry it? Like an adoption service?

I mean the medical bills.

Except for rape, expenses related to the pregnancy are ALWAYS avoidable. No one else should have to pay for anything related to it.

But once it happens, it's too late to say that, so what are you gonna do? You simply can't make everyone be abstinent, and birth control IS responsible but there's always the 1% chance of failure. So when that happens, someone's going to have to foot the bill if the mother had no choice and has exhausted her savings.

[conversationpc]

Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it.

What do you mean by that? "Pay" for you to carry it? Like an adoption service?

I mean the medical bills.

Except for rape, expenses related to the pregnancy are ALWAYS avoidable. No one else should have to pay for anything related to it.

But once it happens, it's too late to say that, so what are you gonna do? You simply can't make everyone be abstinent, and birth control IS responsible but there's always the 1% chance of failure. So when that happens, someone's going to have to foot the bill if the mother had no choice and has exhausted her savings.

Payment plan...Hospitals do that all the time.

[Rhiannon]

But once it happens, it's too late to say that, so what are you gonna do? You simply can't make everyone be abstinent, and birth control IS responsible but there's always the 1% chance of failure. So when that happens, someone's going to have to foot the bill if the mother had no choice and has exhausted her savings.

Payment plans & personal responsibility. Actions have consequences, any consenting, intelligent, self-sufficient woman knows that. I'm seriously embarrassed as a female to see another female I admire for her brains say something like "Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it."

...I just can't with this.

[bluejeangirl76]

Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it.

What do you mean by that? "Pay" for you to carry it? Like an adoption service?

I mean the medical bills.

Except for rape, expenses related to the pregnancy are ALWAYS avoidable. No one else should have to pay for anything related to it.

But once it happens, it's too late to say that, so what are you gonna do? You simply can't make everyone be abstinent, and birth control IS responsible but there's always the 1% chance of failure.

That's where they come in and tell you "if you're going to have sex, you better be ready to handle the consequences". The "sometimes shit happens" argument doesn't hold up with the other side of this argument.

But until they're the ones living it, they need to shush. Not everyone is a dopey teenager or a lazy welfare case, or whatever else. This kind of thing can happen to any woman, for any number of reasons. And it's scary, especially when you know you're on your own.

I think what Sarah was driving at was, if you're taking away my right to choose, taking away one of my options, then you're forcing me into something I can't afford. I'm not sure I'm saying that correctly, and sarah I don't mean to put words in your mouth, so i apologize if that isn't what you meant.

[Sarah]

But once it happens, it's too late to say that, so what are you gonna do? You simply can't make everyone be abstinent, and birth control IS responsible but there's always the 1% chance of failure. So when that happens, someone's going to have to foot the bill if the mother had no choice and has exhausted her savings.

Payment plans & personal responsibility. Actions have consequences, any consenting, intelligent, self-sufficient woman knows that. I'm seriously embarrassed as a female to see another female I admire for her brains say something like "Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it."

...I just can't with this.

I'm sorry, I regret joining this thread as I usually do.

Carry on.

[RocknRoll]

Laura Bush took solo vacations without her husband each year of George W. Bush's presidency, likewise traveling with her Secret Service detail on a government plane to meet friends for camping and hiking excursions to national parks. But it never generated the sort of furor Mrs. Obama trip's is causing, at least in part because visiting national parks in the United States is not as politically sensitive.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10219/10 ... z0wEJYAN7Z

Everyone is entitled to a vacation and the First Lady is no exception. The whole issue is when Obama tells the American people that we all need to share the pain (taxes), cut our expenses, avoid Las Vegas etc. and than we have the First Lady taking this lavish trip to Spain. There are plenty of great places in this country which could use the support. Obama should be leading by example and this certainly sets the wrong tone.

I got a kick out of the UK's PM when he visited Washington. He flew commercial (Business Class not First) and took the train from Washington to NYC. While everyone may not agree with his politics and methods, at least he does lead by example.

[conversationpc]

Everyone is entitled to a vacation and the First Lady is no exception. The whole issue is when Obama tells the American people that we all need to share the pain (taxes), cut our expenses, avoid Las Vegas etc. and than we have the First Lady taking this lavish trip to Spain. There are plenty of great places in this country which could use the support. Obama should be leading by example and this certainly sets the wrong tone.

I got a kick out of the UK's PM when he visited Washington. He flew commercial (Business Class not First) and took the train from Washington to NYC. While everyone may not agree with his politics and methods, at least he does lead by example.

Exactly.

[KenTheDude]

But once it happens, it's too late to say that, so what are you gonna do? You simply can't make everyone be abstinent, and birth control IS responsible but there's always the 1% chance of failure. So when that happens, someone's going to have to foot the bill if the mother had no choice and has exhausted her savings.

Payment plans & personal responsibility. Actions have consequences, any consenting, intelligent, self-sufficient woman knows that. I'm seriously embarrassed as a female to see another female I admire for her brains say something like "Otherwise, I hope someone's ready to pay for me to carry it."

...I just can't with this.

Wow, that was awesome. Much respect.

[Saint John]

Ugh, I hope I never get pregnant.

That's why God gave you a mouth and knees.

[Don]

Ugh, I hope I never get pregnant.

That's why God gave you a mouth and knees.

Wobble Prevention.