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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:16 am

I'm not saying that I support guys launching into each other's heads and that I enjoy bloods and guts and broken bones and what not. That's not my point. My point is, is that this game has been played the same way since its existence, and it's never been such a problem like it is being dwelled on today. Anybody who's ever played football will tell you first hand on how coaches instill it in an athletes mind that the person who hits the hardest will earn a spot and if you don't, don't bother to show up and that mentality drives players today. Football is played off of reaction. If these players do everything right and everything Goodell asks them to, but at the last split second a player position themselves in such a way that a head to head contact is made, then what? Now, players can't tackle high, can't tackle middle OR low. This is football, not any other sport.

Is the safety of the game in question? Yes, but it's nothing new and you can't expect these players to react any differently on the field in the heat of competing and just doing what pays them. They go black, they sacrifice their body to separate man from ball. These guys don't go out there and pound their chest and play the way they do to prove a point to knock someone out. They do it because that's the way this league operates. There's no way around football. If you're going to ban these types of hits from the game, then ban football all-together. No point for it then.
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:25 am

You really have two separate issues at work here. The NFL needs to get its head out of its ass and stop putting all of these hits into the same category. I saw the hit that nearly decapitated DeSean Jackson in Philly and in my opinion, that was just one of those things. Dunta Robinson got there at the exact same time the ball got there. It was brutal to watch but it was football. The hit that Brandon Merriweather laid on Todd Heap was simply a cheap shot. He had plenty of time not to hit the guy, let alone hit the guy with his helmet. Hell, if you watch the replay, it's quite evident that Merriweather probably should have intercepted that pass if he simply lifted his head up and wasn't head hunting. I'm more than okay with hard hitting. This is football, and not wussified baseball where guys sit out half the season with a hang nail. You simply cannot have guys drilling each other with their coconuts. It's never been okay and it can't be okay now. I grew up playing football and I can tell you that I never once played for a coach who told me that I should try to tackle someone with my helmet.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:33 am

I played football my whole life and continue to play as we speak. I actually have an alumni game coming up in a couple weeks and played for many coaches. Every coach, top to bottom has been serious about contact and how we use our body to drive people and drive through them. Obviously, they don't teach to use your helmet as a spear, but things happen and football body language is awkward as it is. If these players do everything they can to not to have helmets to helmets, it still won't solve the problem that once you are taught to put your head on the football to cause a fumble, ETC, and if that running back is taught to lower his shoulders saying the lower man wins, then it won't be stopped even if they try. We won't see this problem solved in game-time speed so expect this league to rip apart the game that it took decades to build. Either that, or play touch.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:38 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Either that, or play touch.

You could always go back to leather helmets. Watch some of that old footage. Those dudes didn't launch themselves like missles. Players have just gotten so reckless, it's ridiculous. Robinson is lucky his crown didn't land square on Jackson, that's a great way to crush a few cervical vertibre.

If the league gets serious with some serious suspension time, you'll see players learning the right way to play the game.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:47 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Either that, or play touch.

You could always go back to leather helmets. Watch some of that old footage. Those dudes didn't launch themselves like missles. Players have just gotten so reckless, it's ridiculous. Robinson is lucky his crown didn't land square on Jackson, that's a great way to crush a few cervical vertibre.

If the league gets serious with some serious suspension time, you'll see players learning the right way to play the game.


I'm just curious to see what other rules will be changed in favor of offensive players. You can't jam them off the line in vicious ways anymore past 5 yards. Defenders aren't even allowed to be in position anymore. They HAVE to turn around to locate the ball even if their in position & if they don't, it's a foul. You aren't allowed to follow through on a QB or it's 15 yards. Pass rushers are paid and trained to get to the QB, but when they do, they don't know what to do because it'll be 15 yard personal foul if they actually make contact so that's out of the question. Now, a safety will be afraid to light up a WR over the middle because of either a fine or suspension so what they are going to do is just let a wide-out make the catch and depend on foot races. The only rule changed against the offense to make it harder in competition is the force-out rule. Other than that, the NFL wants to see 50 points being scored.

I don't know, whatever, I'm scared on what the NFL will look like in 5 years. The dwindling audiences will speak if it gets worse.


On the other hand, players are pleading to the Comish, on their hands and knees, about an 18 game schedule and how it puts them in harms way even more-so than now. But of course, they won't listen to these players to the point they care about money but yet, are changing the rule-book because of the dangers of football. Way to be a hypocrite, backwards role player, Mr. Goodell.
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:09 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:
I don't know, whatever, I'm scared on what the NFL will look like in 5 years. The dwindling audiences will speak if it gets worse.


The NFL will NEVER have "dwindling audiences". It simply won't happen. It's ALWAYS been the number one sport in this country and always will be. RWF actually isn't far off on his comment about the leather helmets. It's not much different in the NHL. Sadly, I'm old enough to remember when NOBODY in the NHL wore helmets (let alone face masks). Back when guys didn't wear helmets, there were very few high stick injuries and the data from both eras backs that up. The reality is that these guys get a false sense of security because of the perceived "protection" they have. As I said, I have zero issue with guys hitting hard. The only issue I have is leading with your head into another guy's head. I'm not sure how anyone could really defend it.


YoungJRNY wrote:On the other hand, players are pleading to the Comish, on their hands and knees, about an 18 game schedule and how it puts them in harms way even more-so than now.


The 18 game season will absolutely happen. I'd bet my last nickel on it!
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:34 pm

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YoungJRNY wrote:I don't know, whatever, I'm scared on what the NFL will look like in 5 years. The dwindling audiences will speak if it gets worse.

The NFL will NEVER have "dwindling audiences". It simply won't happen. It's ALWAYS been the number one sport in this country and always will be. RWF actually isn't far off on his comment about the leather helmets. It's not much different in the NHL. Sadly, I'm old enough to remember when NOBODY in the NHL wore helmets (let alone face masks). Back when guys didn't wear helmets, there were very few high stick injuries and the data from both eras backs that up. The reality is that these guys get a false sense of security because of the perceived "protection" they have. As I said, I have zero issue with guys hitting hard. The only issue I have is leading with your head into another guy's head. I'm not sure how anyone could really defend it.

Great post John!
I'd argue that an 18 game season played like the leather helmet days would be 100% safer for the players than a 16 or even a 14 game season the way they're throwing themselves around now.

Watch some of that old footage and the way they tackle almost always going around the waist. They rarely went high or low, they seemed to be afraid of going high for fear of hurting the ballcarrier and rarely went low in fear of hurting themselves.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:35 pm

The 18 game season will absolutely happen. I'd bet my last nickel on it!



Damn right it's going to happen, so this debate is going to be even more enhanced over the years because these players now will have to contend with an 18 game schedule. Joe Pa has been saying for years: eliminate the facemask. But now, the face is exposed. Now what? Imagine tackling Ray Rice, Peyton Hillis, Jamal Lewis with a textbook tackle? Their faces would be crushed through their skull and we'd have an even bigger problem. Why did NFL go to facemasks in the first place? SAFETY of a bigger and stronger game.

Guys are getting hurt left and right and put on IR 6 games into the season without collisions to the head so I don't understand how Goodell and the NFL plans to make the games safer. I'm not defending helmet-to-helmet hits whatsoever. I agree that it's very scary for these guys health. What I'm saying is, is that helmet to helmet will continue out of sheer habit of football positioning and all it will do is fine/suspend a player and that hurts the credibility of the game, esp adding 2 more games of it. It's a really weird NFL right now with Goodell.
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Postby S2M » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:37 pm

The way these young rookies today don't even know HOW to tackle....you would definitely see scores rise. The way RBs, TEs, and WRs break arm tackles - expect to see scores average in the 50s....only a matter of time. Football players today have absolutely NO fundamental skills.
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:44 pm

S2M wrote:The way these young rookies today don't even know HOW to tackle.... Football players today have absolutely NO fundamental skills.



Fuck...shoot me now. I can't believe that I'm agreeing with the biggest Patriots apologist on the planet, AGAIN! YIKES. You're absolutely correct. Guys miss more tackles in the NFL because they're so concerned with getting the big shot and landing on Sportscenter. Sure, guys still got hurt 30 years ago when guys in the NFL knew how to tackle, but it wasn't nearly as serious as it's been since the fundamental art of tackling has been lost. You tackle a guy with your arms, not your helmet.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:45 pm

S2M wrote:The way these young rookies today don't even know HOW to tackle....you would definitely see scores rise. The way RBs, TEs, and WRs break arm tackles - expect to see scores average in the 50s....only a matter of time. Football players today have absolutely NO fundamental skills.


I can agree with this. I don't know how many times I've screamed at the T.V for someone to make an actual tackle, rather than flopping and flailing at the ground or trying to tackle a bruising running back at the shoulder pads. Fundamentals of the game today is seriously lacking and all of these rules being changed and the pampering of players only adds more to the drama of how the game is taught. "You can't tackle this way or that way no more, but you can do this but in other case's, can't as well." Mind boggling.
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Postby mikemarrs » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:07 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:
The 18 game season will absolutely happen. I'd bet my last nickel on it!



Damn right it's going to happen, so this debate is going to be even more enhanced over the years because these players now will have to contend with an 18 game schedule. Joe Pa has been saying for years: eliminate the facemask. But now, the face is exposed. Now what? Imagine tackling Ray Rice, Peyton Hillis, Jamal Lewis with a textbook tackle? Their faces would be crushed through their skull and we'd have an even bigger problem. Why did NFL go to facemasks in the first place? SAFETY of a bigger and stronger game.

Guys are getting hurt left and right and put on IR 6 games into the season without collisions to the head so I don't understand how Goodell and the NFL plans to make the games safer. I'm not defending helmet-to-helmet hits whatsoever. I agree that it's very scary for these guys health. What I'm saying is, is that helmet to helmet will continue out of sheer habit of football positioning and all it will do is fine/suspend a player and that hurts the credibility of the game, esp adding 2 more games of it. It's a really weird NFL right now with Goodell.



i'm not a big fan of what goodell has done so far at all in his tenure as commissioner.
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:12 pm

Very interesting take by Joe Pa and Ditka.

Read this. makes a lot of sense to me.

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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:14 pm

Rockindeano wrote:Very interesting take by Joe Pa and Ditka.

Read this. makes a lot of sense to me.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... h_Steelers




It's basically the point I made previously about high sticks and helmets and face masks in the NHL. I certainly understand Ditka's and Joe Pa's point, but I'm confident you'll never see the face mask removed from the NFL helmet.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:23 am

Pretty funny... apparently from the Vikings locker room

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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:17 am

Cincinnati at Atlanta - The Bengals continue to wallow in mediocrity (which is actually an improvement for this embarrassing organization)! Atlanta by 10

Washington at Chicago - This is a must win game for the Redskins just to keep pace in a very tough NFC East. Washington by 3

St. Louis at Tampa Bay - A team between two teams that nobody outside of Tampa or St. Louis gives a rat's ass about. This should actually be a competitive game. I like the Rams (can't believe I'm predicting the Rams to win anything) by a TD.

San Francisco at Carolina - While San Francisco is off to a putrid start, the Panthers are even more pathetic and may be the worse team in the NFL. Niners by 14.

Buffalo at Baltimore - This game is setup as a classic letdown for Baltimore (if they weren't playing the Bills). Baltimore isn't losing two in a row. Ravens by 10.

Philadelphia at Tennessee - Should be a great game. The Eagles are going to be a bit shorthanded without DeSean Jackson, but I still think they have enough to beat the Titans in a close one. Eagles by 4.

Jacksonville at Kansas City - I'm not a fan of either team and don't think KC is nearly as good as their easy schedule is making them look. That said, they're still better than Jacksonville. Chiefs by 10.

Pittsburgh at Miami - I think Pittsburgh is a serious contender (again). I'm not sure they're the best team in the AFC, as many experts seem to think. Right now, I'd give that nod to the Jets. That said, the Steelers are a much better team than Miami and will win by 13.

Cleveland at New Orleans - Not much to say here. It's Cleveland, so it isn't much of a mystery what the result will be. Saints by 20.

Arizona at Seattle - A battle for "supremacy" in a shit division. Because someone will probably win, I'll pick Arizona by half a point :shock:

New England at San Diego - Very tough game to pick. While San Diego is only 2-4, I can't overlook that their offense is ranked number one in yards per game and their defense is ranked number one in fewest yards per game allowed (shocking stats for a team that doesn't pass "The eyeball test"). Rivers is on pace to break Dan Marino's all-time passing record, but it looks like Gates may not play, so that could hurt. I'm still not sold on the Patriots defense. Sure, they looked great against Flacco, but Rivers is a MUCH better QB. I think this is a bad matchup for the Patriots, which is probably why Vegas has them as the underdog. This is going to be a close game, but I like the Chargers by a FG. If the Patriots defense shows up and is respectable against Rivers, I'll finally have to admit that this Patriots team may well be for real and has as good of a chance as any team in the NFL to win it all.

Oakland at Denver - The "Who Cares Bowl". I have no choice but to hope the Raiders lose every week. With every loss by them, one of the Patriots number one picks gets a whole lot better! Denver by a TD

Minnesota at Green Bay - That douchebag Favre isn't losing at Green Bay. Vikings by 10.

NY Giants at Dallas - UPSET OF THE WEEK - As much as I'd like to see the Cowgirls lose every week and they're trying their hardest to accommodate my wish, I have to believe that the Fraud Boys will step up and win this game. "Hickville's Team" wins it by 10.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:32 am

Enigma869 wrote:
NY Giants at Dallas - UPSET OF THE WEEK - As much as I'd like to see the Cowgirls lose every week and they're trying their hardest to accommodate my wish, I have to believe that the Fraud Boys will step up and win this game. "Hickville's Team" wins it by 10.


Not really an upset, as the Cowboys are 3 point favorites.

Enigma869 wrote:Minnesota at Green Bay - That douchebag Favre isn't losing at Green Bay.


Classic shit right there. :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:37 am

Cincinnati at Atlanta - The Bengals had one week to dwell on how bad they really are as a football team and Atlanta dropped a game last week that was inevitable. Coming off a BYE, playing like feces and then having to go on the road to a ready to prove Falcons team won't be easy, and Carson Palmer remains OVERRATED. Atlanta by 10.

Washington at Chicago - As long as Jay Cutler is manning the reigns and having complete control of that offense, I'll always feel that he will throw the game at one point or another and look absolutley disgusting while doing so. A Jeckle and Hyde team, but I'm taking a Washington team that needs W's to keep up within their own division. Washington by 8.

St. Louis at Tampa Bay - St.Louis has been a surprise and the Buccanneers are under that same category. The Rams rarely win on the road, and they will now be takin' out of the Dome and head to hot and sticky Tampa Bay. I like Tampa in a close one. Buccaneers by 6.

San Francisco at Carolina - It's pretty bad for the NFC WEST and the NFC as a whole when San Fran is still vying for a playoff spot at 1-5. Carolina might be the worst team in the league. Hard to pick them when I picked them so many times to notch their first W. Not this week. Niners by 17.

Buffalo at Baltimore - No way I see Buffalo even cracking the endzone. This will be a complete breakout for the Ravens offense this week, and everyone will lick their balls over it and claim the Ravens the best team and offense since the 80's 49'ers, but it will all be because of the Bills. Ravens by 24.

Philadelphia at Tennessee - Tennessee is banged up and the Eagles are riding high with Kolb under center. Even though Vick gave them a spark, I still feel the Eagles are a better team under Kolb. His attitude is hard to find in this day in age as far as team player is concerned. Tennessee is banged up and could have trouble with a great all around Eagles team. Eagles by 7.

Jacksonville at Kansas City - I'm eager to see how this Kansas City team will respond by coming off of a tough loss, one that they could have won, and coming into a game against an inconsistent Jaguars team that is beat up and coming off a huge loss. For once, I think K.C is for real. Don't blow it at Arrowhead. Chiefs by 13.


Pittsburgh at Miami - I think a loss is nearing soon for the Steelers, but I don't think this will be the week. Miami is a tough team than advertised and could matchup well against the Steelers. Still, shutdown the Wild-Cat, double Marshall and get into the face in Henne's face as much as possible and Henne and that offense will shut down pretty easily, esp against a Steelers D that's good in disguise/blitz. Eager to see Ben's first road game. Steelers by 16.

Cleveland at New Orleans - Cleveland is already in "mid-season but lets play for next year" mode, so traveling to the Dome and the city of New Orleans in late OCT could be a nice vacation for the Browns travel plans. New Orleans already got the anger out of their system by beating a mediocre team in Tampa last week, so this week they take out their anger on a weak and even worse Cleveland team. Saints by 21.

Arizona at Seattle - Arizona got their "Oh my God" win of the year so I expect them to drop off the face of the NFL, but stay in the race of the putrid NFC WEST, but Seattle is the class of that division and have a good defense. Seahawks by 13.

New England at San Diego -UPSET: I think this is going to be a great game. The Chargers have been playing pathetic and I really do think they are a much better team than what they've been showing in the W-L record. This is the game that could turn their season around. Bellichick thrives on beating up on a wounded duck, and I think Welker can have a breakout game and take advantage of a bad Chargers defense, but I think S.D wins in a close one since they are now on the hot-seat. Chargers by 3.


Oakland at Denver - Oakland is bad, Denver is better. Orton can put up numbers and Denver is still a physical football team and is a tough team to play. Denver might not be there this year, but they will make you earn victories. I don't see Oakland playing well in Mile High. Denver by 13.


Minnesota at Green Bay - I just don't think Favre is owning up to expectations as far as 2010 is concerned. He's feeling beat up, old, scrutinized, and pubeless. Not a good combo going into a place that's going to be as rowdy as can be and hungry for a victory against their once proud #4. The Vikes swept the Pack easily last year and they know it. They've lost TWO O-T games the past TWO weeks, and for them to finally beat Minny is NOW. I'm giving my NFC fav one more shot. Green Bay by 7.


NY Giants at Dallas - I love what Coughin and his defense is doing right now, and Eli is primed to start picking it up. Dallas is tormented right now and will do whatever it takes to give their fans a victory on Monday Night Football. The media is begging, on their hands and knees, for Dallas to get back in this thing. Giants/Cowboys games are always tough and physical. Not good for Dallas this season, esp penalty prone. Giants by 8.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:57 am

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Not really an upset, as the Cowboys are 3 point favorites.


Interesting. I didn't realize that. I think it's time to call Travis out then too. San Diego is the favorite against New England this weekend, so it can't be an "upset" if they win :shock:
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:00 am

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I think Welker can have a breakout game and take advantage of a bad Chargers defense



You do realize that no team in the entire NFL gives up fewer passing yards per game than the Chargers, right?
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:09 am

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I think Welker can have a breakout game and take advantage of a bad Chargers defense



You do realize that no team in the entire NFL gives up fewer passing yards per game than the Chargers, right?


Yeah, but the Chargers have no run defense and everyone knows that N.E uses their "run game" by throwing those irritating short underneath pass's and noone's better in the game at that than Welker. I think Brady will target him more this week because the Chargers might try to take away Branch, who lets face it, is a good target for Brady in the system and the Pats have a stud TE, so I think they can take advantage of the Chargers gaps in the open field with Welker. (S.D also lost to the Chiefs, Rams, Raiders, and the Seahawks, regardless of their pass defensive rank and I think Brady and his offense is light-years better than those teams.) I just think the Chargers show up and put points up on the board and eek a close one. We'll see.

As far as the upset pick, I don't give a Christ whose favorites in the betting lines. That's just my own, personal upset pick, as the Cowboys is your own personal upset.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:23 am

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Yeah, but the Chargers have no run defense


I hate to allow facts to get in the way of an opinion, but for the record, the Chargers have the 6th best rush defense in the entire league. Also, let's remember that the Chargers start off EVERY season completely sucking and usually find a way to finish the season strongly, so we shall see how it all shakes out.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:09 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:
Yeah, but the Chargers have no run defense


I hate to allow facts to get in the way of an opinion, but for the record, the Chargers have the 6th best rush defense in the entire league. Also, let's remember that the Chargers start off EVERY season completely sucking and usually find a way to finish the season strongly, so we shall see how it all shakes out.


Without looking at the overall team statistics, I would have never thought the Chargers run defense would be ranked that high. In every game I've seen them play in, they seemed to get completley gashed and miss so many one on one, open field tackles that it wasn't even funny, and at the completely wrong times to boot.

In every game they lost, they seemed to get chunked a bit on run defense.

Their D gave up 131 total rushing yards to the Chiefs, Charles amounting 92 of them and averaged 8.2 yards per carry. That is HUGE.
They got ran over by a West Coast Seattle offense and gave up 70 yards and an average of 4 yards per rush.
They gave up 111 yards on the ground to Oakland, Michael Bush acquiring 104 of those and an average 4 yards per rush.
And they gave up 117 yards yards rushing against St.Louis with an injured Stephen Jackson getting 109 yards on the ground with another 4 yards per rush.

That is a lot of gashing, esp backs getting a nice 4 yards per pop on them. I just think their run D is suspect at crucial times. Should be a good game. I always enjoy the N.E/SD matchups.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:55 am

YoungJRNY wrote: Should be a good game. I always enjoy the N.E/SD matchups.


I agree. It should be a highly entertaining game and I can't imagine that it will be low scoring. I've always been a Phillip Rivers fan. Dude is a very good player and tough as nails. He showed me a lot during the playoffs one season. He was out on the field gutting an injury out while that pussy Tomlinson was hiding behind his black face mask on the sidelines.

On another note, if we have anyone in the Miami area, please slap that fucking tool Tony Sporano in his head for me. I've seen that jackass where those annoying shades during two night games this season. Apparently he thinks he's Howard Stern.
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Postby squirt1 » Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:19 pm

Falcons by 10 ? Why not? The Bengals beat themselves with penalties. They have a tough schedule ,so it looks like I may have to finish the year with a bag over my head like some do at the stadium. If Godell really wants to stop the head injuries, make the player, like the Steeler that hit Shipley, sit out as long as Shipley W/O PAY. Oh, and tell the players union to go blow !
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Postby Rockindeano » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:27 am

squirt1 wrote:Falcons by 10 ? Why not? The Bengals beat themselves with penalties. They have a tough schedule ,so it looks like I may have to finish the year with a bag over my head like some do at the stadium. If Godell really wants to stop the head injuries, make the player, like the Steeler that hit Shipley, sit out as long as Shipley W/O PAY. Oh, and tell the players union to go blow !


Hey Squirty, love your passion, but tell the Players Union to go fuck themselves? LOL, he tried that, and the result? There will be a work stoppage(strike next year..in fact BOTH the NFL and the NBA will be striking. I am happy that the NBA will not have a season, because those pussies are so overpaid it isn't funny, however, the nation will be sick to their stomach if the NFL goes on strike, which I think will happen.
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Postby Jonny B » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:46 am

Rockindeano wrote:
squirt1 wrote:Falcons by 10 ? Why not? The Bengals beat themselves with penalties. They have a tough schedule ,so it looks like I may have to finish the year with a bag over my head like some do at the stadium. If Godell really wants to stop the head injuries, make the player, like the Steeler that hit Shipley, sit out as long as Shipley W/O PAY. Oh, and tell the players union to go blow !


Hey Squirty, love your passion, but tell the Players Union to go fuck themselves? LOL, he tried that, and the result? There will be a work stoppage(strike next year..in fact BOTH the NFL and the NBA will be striking. I am happy that the NBA will not have a season, because those pussies are so overpaid it isn't funny, however, the nation will be sick to their stomach if the NFL goes on strike, which I think will happen.


Sure, the NFL wouldn't exist if that's the case, but what are the odds the UFL will soak up the NFL players for a year? In a way, I think 8 all-star casts' worth of teams in a new league would make for worthwhile viewing.
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:48 am

Time for me to make a change to my picks before kickoff. I like the Patriots to win a close one today...especially if Gates doesn't play. I see the Patriots losing one of the next two weeks, and I suspect it will be next week when that douche Favre comes to town. I can't see anyone in the Patriots secondary covering a guy like Moss.
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:20 am

Wow. Buffalo is putting it on Baltimore....in Baltimore! And Cleveland putting it on NO in NO. :shock:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:36 am

RedWingFan wrote:Wow. Buffalo is putting it on Baltimore....in Baltimore! And Cleveland putting it on NO in NO. :shock:


Dunno why the Browns result so far is that shocking. They have looked good in every single game they've played this year, especially in the first half. They're better than their record and unlike last year, are playing with heart. And we all know the Saints aren't what they were last year.

With that said, I'm not counting on us playing this good the rest of the way or Brees playing that bad the rest of the way.
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