President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Seven Wishes2]

hey I've got nothing against 7... he just needs to "Practice what he preaches"...

Except what I posted was factual. You just don't want to hear it.

And still, NO ONE has responded to the IRREFUTABLE data about global warming. Typical.

[conversationpc]

Anyway. DavePC already handed you your ass on this issue. By the way I love your statement... "And on the issues that matter most to Americans, more people want Democrats in charge than the GOP"

Enjoy the ass beating of epic proportions next Tuesday, you clueless bastard. You should really pull your head out of Monkers ass and get a clue!

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... th#4498266

Um, no, he most certainly did not.

Yes, in that case, I actually did. It's nice to be remembered while I'm gone.

[Seven Wishes2]

Pure rubbish. As usual.

Anyway, it's duck and cover again with you guys...because the facts never support your positions.

[Andrew]

I will say only this - SOMEONE needs to fix the bloody US economy. The value of the US dollar is nearing the peso, and it is sending me broke(r). HURRY UP!

[slucero]

hey I've got nothing against 7... he just needs to "Practice what he preaches"...

Except what I posted was factual. You just don't want to hear it.

And still, NO ONE has responded to the IRREFUTABLE data about global warming. Typical.

I never said it "wasn't factual", I said it was "misrepresented"... by the AP and then by you...

And I don't have to "hear it"... the facts used were yours...

If you won't check the veracity of your own data... we'll that's not my problem.... again that's your problem...


And the Global Warming issue is DOA... the failing world economies will trump it... but you go ahead and "Fight the good fight"...

[slucero]

I will say only this - SOMEONE needs to fix the bloody US economy. The value of the US dollar is nearing the peso, and it is sending me broke(r). HURRY UP!

Drew.. currencies are racing to zero... the USD is leading the way.. and proving Keynesian-ism wrong in the process...

[Seven Wishes2]

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I never said it "wasn't factual", I said it was "misrepresented"... by the AP and then by you...

The only party guilty of misrepresentation is Rasmussen. They failed to report the polls actually went into greater detail - AND THAT ONLY 37% OF THE COUNTRY WANTS THE HEALTHCARE ACT REPEALED. The remaining 63% either want it to be scaled back slightly (BUT NOT REPEALED - 15%), kept the way it is, or broadened. Rasmussen simply takes the 37% and adds the 15% and deliberately misconstrues it as "proving" a majority of Americans want it repealed, WHEN IN FACT THAT NUMBER IS ONLY 37%.

YOU need to wake the fuck up and READ, extrapolate, comprehend, and understand. I know it's against your nature as Republicans, but give it the ol' high school dropout try every now and then.

[RossValoryRocks]

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I never said it "wasn't factual", I said it was "misrepresented"... by the AP and then by you...

The only party guilty of misrepresentation is Rasmussen. They failed to report the polls actually went into greater detail - AND THAT ONLY 37% OF THE COUNTRY WANTS THE HEALTHCARE ACT REPEALED. The remaining 63% either want it to be scaled back slightly (BUT NOT REPEALED - 15%), kept the way it is, or broadened. Rasmussen simply takes the 37% and adds the 15% and deliberately misconstrues it as "proving" a majority of Americans want it repealed, WHEN IN FACT THAT NUMBER IS ONLY 37%.

YOU need to wake the fuck up and READ, extrapolate, comprehend, and understand. I know it's against your nature as Republicans, but give it the ol' high school dropout try every now and then.

Welcome back moron! Good to see the 'roids didn't kill you yet!

[slucero]

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I never said it "wasn't factual", I said it was "misrepresented"... by the AP and then by you...

The only party guilty of misrepresentation is Rasmussen. They failed to report the polls actually went into greater detail - AND THAT ONLY 37% OF THE COUNTRY WANTS THE HEALTHCARE ACT REPEALED. The remaining 63% either want it to be scaled back slightly (BUT NOT REPEALED - 15%), kept the way it is, or broadened. Rasmussen simply takes the 37% and adds the 15% and deliberately misconstrues it as "proving" a majority of Americans want it repealed, WHEN IN FACT THAT NUMBER IS ONLY 37%.

YOU need to wake the fuck up and READ, extrapolate, comprehend, and understand. I know it's against your nature as Republicans, but give it the ol' high school dropout try every now and then.

Look at you getting all wet in the panties... better check that MBA you have.. I think its signed in invisible ink..

Again - your quoted data...

"In general, do you support, oppose or neither support or oppose the health care reforms passed by Congress in March?"

45% - Oppose it
40% - Support it
11% - Neither oppose nor support

"Would you prefer Congress do with the new health care law:"

18% - Leave it as is
39% - Change it so it does MORE to change the health care system
9% - Change it so it does LESS to change the health care system
32% - Repeal it completely
4% - Do no know

Look like:

57% - Leave it as is OR Change it so it does more...
41% - Change it so it does less OR Repeal it completely...


Not sure what yer reading... this is the AP-Gfk data you quoted..

[Seven Wishes2]

Well, thank you for further proving my point. I was actually reading off an AP article I had found the other day.

[Andrew]

I will say only this - SOMEONE needs to fix the bloody US economy. The value of the US dollar is nearing the peso, and it is sending me broke(r). HURRY UP!

Drew.. currencies are racing to zero... the USD is leading the way.. and proving Keynesian-ism wrong in the process...

The more the USD races downwards, the more the AUD goes up....and the LESS I get from all income

[RedWingFan]

I will say only this - SOMEONE needs to fix the bloody US economy. The value of the US dollar is nearing the peso, and it is sending me broke(r). HURRY UP!

Drew.. currencies are racing to zero... the USD is leading the way.. and proving Keynesian-ism wrong in the process...

The more the USD races downwards, the more the AUD goes up....and the LESS I get from all income

Sorry to inform you of this Drew, but the 1st of the year everyones tax rates are going up. Less disposble income for everyone here. Hold on you your ass! Courtesy of Barack Hussein Obama...mmm...mmm....mmmmmmm!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sorry to inform you of this Drew, but the 1st of the year everyones tax rates are going up. Less disposble income for everyone here. Hold on you your ass! Courtesy of Barack Hussein Obama...mmm...mmm....mmmmmmm!

Actually, the expiration of the tax cuts is courtesy of the republicans, who failed to make them permanent and offset them with spending cuts. In other words, they don't believe their own bullshit. There is a conservative argument to be made for letting tax rates return to pre-2001 levels and helping to reduce our debt. Some responsible Repubs (i.e. Alan Greenspan, David Stockman) are actually out there making it. Shame the majority of the party is led by the nose by clueless AM radio midway carnival barkers. The recent outcry over the firing of Fox's Juan Williams by NPR is yet another perfect example of how impressionable and easily influenced the right wing base is. FOX News has fired and silenced countless journalists for expressing views that did not toe the Murdoch line (see Eric Burns, Neil Gabler, Marc Lamont Hill etc.) Where was the outrage then?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Always remember, the "facts were being fixed around the policy". Yet another high ranking official confirms the obvious.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/2 ... 73038.html

[RedWingFan]

Always remember, the "facts were being fixed around the policy". Yet another high ranking official confirms the obvious.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/2 ... 73038.html

And this is why Obama is getting our asses handed to us in Afghanistan now?

[RedWingFan]

Sorry to inform you of this Drew, but the 1st of the year everyones tax rates are going up. Less disposble income for everyone here. Hold on you your ass! Courtesy of Barack Hussein Obama...mmm...mmm....mmmmmmm!

Actually, the expiration of the tax cuts is courtesy of the republicans, who failed to make them permanent and offset them with spending cuts.

Why did they "fail to make them permanent"? Who was standing in their way? All the democrats and a few liberal republicans..i.e John McCain.

And democrats haven't had the power in Congress to make them permanent have they?

They've been busy little beavers doing other things huh. Hence their single digit approval rating and the impending asswhipping next tuesday!

[Seven Wishes2]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/24/hugh-shelton-iraq-war-bush_n_773038.html
And this is why Obama is getting our asses handed to us in Afghanistan now?

Way to change / avoid the topic again, son! Like your lack of reason, brain cells, and compassion, you're as elusive as Nixon, and as bright as a toad.

[RossValoryRocks]

The recent outcry over the firing of Fox's Juan Williams by NPR is yet another perfect example of how impressionable and easily influenced the right wing base is. FOX News has fired and silenced countless journalists for expressing views that did not toe the Murdoch line (see Eric Burns, Neil Gabler, Marc Lamont Hill etc.) Where was the outrage then?

You aren't this fucking stupid are you? Or do you just assume we are?

Difference:

Fox = private company, no 1st amendment rights. They can fire someone for any reason, actually they don't NEED a reason to fire someone. But lets look at the 3 you put up there. Marc Lamont was DEFENDING a CONVICTED COP KILLER! Not only that but he still appears on various Fox shows. Gabler decided himself to go to PBS. Eric Burns wasn't fired either, but has been critical of Fox since he left.

NPR = PUBLICLY FUNDED (I know only a small percentage) but still publicly funded so it HAS to follow the 1st Amenment or it shouldn't take the money. Juan Williams said seeing Muslims dressed in their garb makes him nervous (that is the sound bite all the lib media is playing) in the next breath he says we as a country need to get past that kind of irrational fear (No lib media playing that). See the difference between that and defending a convicted cop killer? How about what the head of NPR said about his comments being between Juan Williams and his psychiatrist? In public to try and humiliate him further? You don't see a problem with that?

And AS USUAL, you fall back on the "Well they did it first!" or the "Well they do it too" argument, which is bullshit. Wrong is wrong. Even though in this case, and using the examples you cited, we can see Fox wasn't wrong while NPR was.

[conversationpc]

Juan Williams said seeing Muslims dressed in their garb makes him nervous (that is the sound bite all the lib media is playing) in the next breath he says we as a country need to get past that kind of irrational fear (No lib media playing that). See the difference between that and defending a convicted cop killer? How about what the head of NPR said about his comments being between Juan Williams and his psychiatrist? In public to try and humiliate him further? You don't see a problem with that?

Exactly.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why did they "fail to make them permanent"? Who was standing in their way? All the democrats and a few liberal republicans..i.e John McCain.

Pretty sure it was a Repub majority back then, RWF. I could be wrong tho...

And democrats haven't had the power in Congress to make them permanent have they?

Spending cuts alone will not bring down the deficit. Any Repub that advocates permanent tax cuts right now has outed himself as a borrow-and-spend Bush clone.

[Seven Wishes2]

Uh...Fart Finder, the rally was only opened to that high school's students and its teachers. Because it got pushed back to later in the day than originally scheduled, half the student body had prior committments to their athletic teams. He just gave a speech at USC that was attended by over 10,000. So, put that misleading misinformation back in your pigeon-shit caked feather cap.

From the AP:

A new wave of polling shows virtually every close Senate race growing even more competitive, raising the pressure on both parties in the final days of the midterm campaign.

In several states, Democratic candidates are on the upswing. Pennsylvania Rep. Joe Sestak, after trailing Republican Pat Toomey for months, took slim, 1- and 3-point leads in a pair of surveys released this week.

In Colorado, Democratic Sen. Michael Bennet cut Republican prosecutor Ken Buck’s advantage to a 3-point gap in a Reuters/Ipsos poll that placed Buck 9 points up as recently as August. In Wisconsin, a survey from Wisconsin Public Radio and St. Norbert College placed Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold closing to within 2 points of plastics executive Ron Johnson, who has held high, single-digit leads in most other recent polls.

That polling gives Democrats hope that they could hold their Senate defeats to a bare minimum, retaining most seats beyond the all-but-lost GOP targets of North Dakota, Indiana and Arkansas.

Given that the most recent AP poll said 32% of all responding prospective voters said they could still change their minds about their vote on November 2nd, and that the lunatic-fringe Tea Party candidates are truly begining to alienate and terrify the mainstream, I would keep my chest-thumping to a mininum.

[RossValoryRocks]

Uh...Fart Finder, the rally was only opened to that high school's students and its teachers. Because it got pushed back to later in the day than originally scheduled, half the student body had prior committments to their athletic teams. He just gave a speech at USC that was attended by over 10,000. So, put that misleading misinformation back in your pigeon-shit caked feather cap.

From the AP:

A new wave of polling shows virtually every close Senate race growing even more competitive, raising the pressure on both parties in the final days of the midterm campaign.

In several states, Democratic candidates are on the upswing. Pennsylvania Rep. Joe Sestak, after trailing Republican Pat Toomey for months, took slim, 1- and 3-point leads in a pair of surveys released this week.

In Colorado, Democratic Sen. Michael Bennet cut Republican prosecutor Ken Buck’s advantage to a 3-point gap in a Reuters/Ipsos poll that placed Buck 9 points up as recently as August. In Wisconsin, a survey from Wisconsin Public Radio and St. Norbert College placed Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold closing to within 2 points of plastics executive Ron Johnson, who has held high, single-digit leads in most other recent polls.

That polling gives Democrats hope that they could hold their Senate defeats to a bare minimum, retaining most seats beyond the all-but-lost GOP targets of North Dakota, Indiana and Arkansas.

Given that the most recent AP poll said 32% of all responding prospective voters said they could still change their minds about their vote on November 2nd, and that the lunatic-fringe Tea Party candidates are truly begining to alienate and terrify the mainstream, I would keep my chest-thumping to a mininum.

Considering you are wrong about 90% of the time 7Syringes...or do you use the cream and clear?...I think I would go with he Republicans taking the house...maybe the Senate...what you are seeing now is the mainstream liberal media trying to make something out of the usual tightening up of the polls prior to election day.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You aren't this fucking stupid are you? Or do you just assume we are?

Difference:

Fox = private company, no 1st amendment rights. They can fire someone for any reason, actually they don't NEED a reason to fire someone. But lets look at the 3 you put up there. Marc Lamont was DEFENDING a CONVICTED COP KILLER! Not only that but he still appears on various Fox shows. Gabler decided himself to go to PBS. Eric Burns wasn't fired either, but has been critical of Fox since he left.

Don’t believe every sugarcoated press release or Wikipedia entry you read. Burns was fired- and has said so repeatedly. Same with Gabler. You obviously don’t know the facts (maybe you gullibly believe Augeri was amicably let go and Perry is waiting on his hip to mend too?). Lamont may have been fired for uttering something controversial, but Burns and Gabler were not. They are not alone. You’re just trying to deflect the argument with this “cop killer” noise. Here’s the point: Fox News has fired great journalists for far less offenses than Juan Williams and the collective right wing hive didn’t utter so much as a peep. You’re all hypocrites and frauds.

NPR = PUBLICLY FUNDED (I know only a small percentage) but still publicly funded so it HAS to follow the 1st Amenment or it shouldn't take the money. Juan Williams said seeing Muslims dressed in their garb makes him nervous (that is the sound bite all the lib media is playing) in the next breath he says we as a country need to get past that kind of irrational fear (No lib media playing that).

This is wrong (again). Plenty of private institutions get subsidies from the government (farms, colleges), it does not bound them to the first amendment. You must have earned your law degree from the same online university as Christine "don't touch your weewee" O’Donnell. As a private organization, NPR can terminate anybody at will. In a country with an unemployment rate hovering at over nine percent, Juan Williams should take his lumps and move on. Instead, he’s whining and crying about not getting a chance to sit down eye-to-eye with him employers and work things out. LOL. Tell it to the workers who got a pink slip last week without warning and had to clean out their desk by noon. Has this guy ever worked in the private sector before? Even more offensive, the same party that supposedly loathes intervention in the marketplace is now dictating what a private organization can do. Better yet, they are rushing to the defense of one laid-off millionaire while ignoring the plight of millions by blocking unemployment and infrastructure make-work jobs.

See the difference between that and defending a convicted cop killer? How about what the head of NPR said about his comments being between Juan Williams and his psychiatrist? In public to try and humiliate him further? You don't see a problem with that?

Again, you are cheaply using the ‘cop killer’ comment to sidestep a basic argument of fairness and defending free speech at all times, NOT just when it’s politically convenient. Eric Burns is one of the finest historians working today. His abrupt firing by Fox News for not being right wing enough was a travesty of journalism.

And AS USUAL, you fall back on the "Well they did it first!" or the "Well they do it too" argument, which is bullshit. Wrong is wrong. Even though in this case, and using the examples you cited, we can see Fox wasn't wrong while NPR was.

Personally, I wouldn’t have fired Juan Williams. I actually agree with his comments. I’m just pointing out the right wing hypocrisy.

[RossValoryRocks]

TNC any institution that take federal money is required by LAW to adhere to federal laws on freedom of expression which is why there are many colleges that refuse to take federal aid in any form, including federal backed student loans. NPR is a governmentally backed organization and as such does not have the right to fire Mr. Williams for his opinion, especially given the free pass given to liberal "analysts". And its not just the right wing....many libs are saying NPR is wrong as well.

[The_Noble_Cause]

HA!...get this...from the Hill...

Pelosi: 'We haven't really gotten the credit for what we have done'

Stop it Nancy...you're killing me here.. credit I got yer credit right here...I'll give it to you on Tuesday...

Debt Has Increased $5 Trillion Since Speaker Pelosi Vowed, 'No New Deficit Spending'...

When Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) gave her inaugural address as speaker of the House in 2007, she vowed there would be “no new deficit spending.” Since that day, the national debt has increased by $5 trillion, according to the U.S. Treasury Department.

"After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: Pay as you go, no new deficit spending,” Pelosi said in her speech from the speaker’s podium. “Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt."

Credit due Nancy....you've fucked up things big time..payback is a bitch...bitch!


TEANAMI TUESDAY!

A little context please. In 2007, an 8 trillion dollar housing bubble had yet to burst. Deficit spending back then would have risked crowding out private investment. Not so much the case now, with plenty of labor and capital resources sitting idle. Pelosi is right. You are economically illiterate, as usual.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC any institution that take federal money is required by LAW to adhere to federal laws on freedom of expression which is why there are many colleges that refuse to take federal aid in any form, including federal backed student loans. NPR is a governmentally backed organization and as such does not have the right to fire Mr. Williams for his opinion, especially given the free pass given to liberal "analysts".

Sorry Stu. We'll just have to agree to disagree. First amendment protections apply only to government actors, which NPR is not. Congress could make funding conditional via statute, but has not done so.

And its not just the right wing....many libs are saying NPR is wrong as well.

Of course they are. Like Van Jones, ACORN, Shirley Sherrod etc. AM radio and Fox News has commanded their shock troops to give NPR hell. The left always caves. I don't agree with his firing, but as a private entity, NPR can do whatever the hell they want.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey, any of you libs wish to discuss those 400,000 classified Wikileaks documents that were dumped the other day?

Seems we did find WMD in Iraq....funny that no one is talking about this dump...the media is ignoring it because the info in there doesn't fit the liberal talking points.

WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results


Read More http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10 ... z13Nodi7SG

I hate lying liberals...

So why didn't Bush give the inspectors the additional time they requested, instead of pulling them out and starting shock and awe? Besides, these are hardly the doomsday devices that necessitate going to war. If you don't think every foreign government has these toxic agents at their disposal, you are a bigger fool than I thought.

[RedWingFan]

Uh...Fart Finder, the rally...

Considering you are wrong about 90% of the time 7Syringes....

Stu, I think I may like your nickname better than the "7 braincells" I came up with!

[RedWingFan]

Hey, any of you libs wish to discuss those 400,000 classified Wikileaks documents that were dumped the other day?
Seems we did find WMD in Iraq....funny that no one is talking about this dump...the media is ignoring it because the info in there doesn't fit the liberal talking points.

WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results
Read More http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10 ... z13Nodi7SG

I hate lying liberals...

So why didn't Bush give the inspectors the additional time they requested, instead of pulling them out and starting shock and awe?

Because Saddam would STILL be playing 3 card monte with the UN inspectors????

[The_Noble_Cause]

Because Saddam would STILL be playing 3 card monte with the UN inspectors????

So the logical solution is to go to war over a few cannisters of mustard gas? Anyone who agrees with such sociopathic reasoning should be banned from voting booths next week. Truly scary and sick. In the days leading up to the war, the inspectors were given full access. That's exactly why they were pulled out. General Hugh Shelton is just the latest addition to a growing chorus line of patriotic truthtellers.