President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Seven Wishes2]

I'd rather be wrong than to be caught making up an out and out lie like you did yesterday. In public no less, you have no shame and will just fling enough shit until a tiny bit sticks then you beat your chest. You lied right here to everyone and made up shit and I didn't let it stick and threw it back and you still haven't responded to being caught. You lie mr accuracy.

WTF are you talking about? Your only "source" on the Clinton issue was written by someone who WASN'T EVEN THERE. The post I made was extrapolated from an article on Yahoo. YOU haven't ONCE responded to ANYTHING of substance because you're constantly being proven to be completely full of shit.

Dumbass, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are not "sources". Neither are wackjob right wing blog posts. To copy and paste them and then act as though you're illluminating us all with some hidden truth is beyond laughable, especially since your ridiculous postulations can be easily, readily, thoroughly, and consistently eviscerated by basic actual FACTS.

Try again, fruitcake.

[lights1961]

one week left... for the mid term examination... It is shaping up to be a nightmare on Pennsylvania ave... just saying... new discussion... the ADDS... I would love to see in the future big time election that one week before the election, the adds cant be run...

looking forward to scoreboard watching next Tuesday night...





Rick

[Seven Wishes2]

So hoping someone trying to implement damaging policies on the country fails, is hoping America fails? You're either stupid, lying or confused.

Let's look at it mathmatically.

Mathmatically? Relly? Thats' a gud idear.

Damaging policies? Such as? The bailouts of the Automotive Industry and Wall Street (Bush's doing) that saved America from a Great Depression? Healthcare legislation that will ultimately save the country and taxpayers billions of dollars, as well as guarantee they have access to quality health care? Please enlighten me, oh mighty dipshit.

[RedWingFan]

Healthcare legislation that will ultimately save the country and taxpayers billions of dollars, as well as guarantee they have access to quality health care?

You really believe everything Obama tells you while you're sucking his balls and tossing his salad don't you?
Just like you believed him when he told you that premiums would drop by 14%.

Just keep sipping your kool-aid while the rest of the country keeps getting up to speed! Oh, and enjoy your ass whooping Tuesday. As the results come in, don't be alarmed if Obama's nuts draw in a little bit. You'll probably have to suck a little harder to keep em in your mouth!

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/Hi_ass ... eNews.html

Two-thirds of Americans believe country going off on the wrong track
NEW YORK , N.Y. - October 25, 2010 - President Obama is spending the next week crisscrossing the country in support of Democratic candidates before this year's midterm elections. While the president may do a great job of energizing the base, he may not be able to convert any Independents who have yet to decide for whom they will vote. Currently, two-thirds of Americans (67%) have a negative opinion of the job President Obama is doing while just over one-third (37%) have a positive opinion. This continues the president's downward trend and he is now at the lowest job approval rating of his presidency.

[RedWingFan]

So hoping someone trying to implement damaging policies on the country fails, is hoping America fails? You're either stupid, lying or confused.

Let's look at it mathmatically.

Mathmatically? Relly? Thats' a gud idear.

Yeah, they're called typo's. That occasionally happens to people who actually type their own thoughts! Plagiarizers don't need to concern themselves with that. So breathe easy!

[The_Noble_Cause]

So hoping someone trying to implement damaging policies on the country fails, is hoping America fails? You're either stupid, lying or confused.

Pleease. As if Limbaugh wouldn't have said the exact same thing if Obama was proposing the Reagan Revolution 2.0? His stock-in-trade is to be anti-Democrat. Period. He's a one-note johnny and his routine is stale. Speaking of actual damaging policies, why was Limbaugh supportive of handing our port security over to the United Arab Emirates? Why did he remain silent during the expansion of Medicare Part D, when it was completely unfunded, and far more cost prohibitive than Obamacare? Make no mistake: whoever faxes El Druggo his marching orders is NOT motivated by what's in the best interest of America. To globalist ass puppets like him, we are merely collateral damage. Between his multiple mansion studios, private jets, and fleet of chauffeured luxury vehicles, Limbaugh can afford to root for the country's destruction, as he has little interaction with it.

[Seven Wishes2]

Fuckbag, you're so eager to point something irrelevant like this out, and avoid all the issues where you have ZERO FACTS and ZERO EVIDENCE to support your outlandish claims.

Your hero, Sarah "Dumb as a Box" Palin, only drew 600 people at an open-air event last week. Big f***ing deal. Clinton would be elected in a landslide if the election were held tomorrow. You conveniently ignored the information I provided about the rallies at which he's recently spoken which were attended by tens of thousands of people.

And still...no response to the actual facts I posted. And NOTHING (because you have NOTHING other than right-wing blog posts and a handful of unqualified wacko scientists) to dispel the PROOF I provided that 98% of the scientific community believes global warming is at least in part caused by mankind. You're ignorant AND stupid, and you're evasive to boot.

I'll concede that the Yahoo article I read may have gotten its facts wrong the minute you acknowledge you don't have anything other than less-than-shabby evidence to support your "natural cycle" theory of global warming.

You are a laugh riot, though. Thanks for the belly laugh! I needed it.

[Seven Wishes2]

My source oh accurate one was/is the Detroit News. For some reason I think they were present at the rally. Why would I think that, BECAUSE THEY TOOK FUCKING PICTURES. LOOK>>>>

Bernero spokesman Cullen Schwarz said the campaign never expected to fill the gym. Bernero was pleased, especially since the site of the Clinton rally was nailed down less than 48 hours in advance, he said. [/b]

[lights1961]

glad to see this is back to normal!! LOL...

love it, that when liberals cant come up with their own thought and expand on it... it comes down to blaming W, limbaugh, hannity or Beck... and eventually to Reagan...its all those guys fault of what is going on now... LOL... the great society bill of the 60s didnt fix anything and either will health care of 2010...

[Seven Wishes2]

Sure enough, in Senate races across the country, the contests have grown closer in these final weeks. In Colorado, the recently appointed Senator Michael Bennet has closed a high single-digit deficit against Republican Ken Buck to turn the race into a technical dead heat. In Pennsylvania, Democrat Joe Sestak has done something similar to eliminate his deficit against Republican Pat Toomey. - AP

[Seven Wishes2]

glad to see this is back to normal!! LOL...

love it, that when liberals cant come up with their own thought and expand on it... it comes down to blaming W, limbaugh, hannity or Beck... and eventually to Reagan...its all those guys fault of what is going on now... LOL... the great society bill of the 60s didnt fix anything and either will health care of 2010...

Funny. The GOP got us into this mess, and now all they can do is blame Obama - who has not even had ONE FULL YEAR of his own budget in place. Don't forget, 2009 was on Bush's books.

[The_Noble_Cause]

glad to see this is back to normal!! LOL...

love it, that when liberals cant come up with their own thought and expand on it... it comes down to blaming W, limbaugh, hannity or Beck... and eventually to Reagan...its all those guys fault of what is going on now... LOL... the great society bill of the 60s didnt fix anything and either will health care of 2010...

Do you deny that the country has been in slash n' hack deregulatory mode since Reagan and even Carter? That is just a basic fact. And the Great Society lifted millions out of poverty. Obamacare will also be a winner just for the anti-pre-existing conditions clause alone. Seems what you're really angry about is that Democratic Presidents pass legislation aimed at redistributing wealth downard, and not to K-street whores and financial necromancers cabaple of destroying economies overnight. As I've said before, we'll stop talking about Bush and Reagan, when you guys stop talking about Clinton's dick and Jimmy Carter - who was taken out of mothballs and scapegoated for the housing bubble as recently as 2008. Worse yet, many in your party are now pointing the finger at Woodrow Wilson. Talk about blaming the ancient past for today's problems.

[Rockindeano]

Just keep sipping your kool-aid while the rest of the country keeps getting up to speed! Oh, and enjoy your ass whooping Tuesday. As the results come in, don't be alarmed if Obama's nuts draw in a little bit. You'll probably have to suck a little harder to keep em in your mouth!

It could be a huge ass whippin, or if enough of these toss ups go Dem, that will severely limit the beat down. The Sestak, Reid, Murray and Boxer races could all go Dem.

Congratulations on the House though. That is yours- for now. Get that spray tan Johnnie!

[Lula]

boxer will win california, no doubt. and brown will be our governor.

[slucero]

glad to see this is back to normal!! LOL...

love it, that when liberals cant come up with their own thought and expand on it... it comes down to blaming W, limbaugh, hannity or Beck... and eventually to Reagan...its all those guys fault of what is going on now... LOL... the great society bill of the 60s didnt fix anything and either will health care of 2010...

Funny. The GOP got us into this mess, and now all they can do is blame Obama - who has not even had ONE FULL YEAR of his own budget in place. Don't forget, 2009 was on Bush's books.

Nodoubt... 2009 is on Bush.. 2010 and beyond is on Obama...

[Lula]

don't let those little details of iraq and afghanistan not being on the books while bush/cheney had their time.

[Seven Wishes2]

Oh, yeah. That's right. That little detail of the hundreds of billions of dollars Dubbya never allowed to be part of the budget.

You neo-cons are too dim to realize that Obama is SAVING the country from people like you. This whole "taking our country back" is nothing more than acute racism on your parts.

[Saint John]

This whole "taking our country back" is nothing more than acute racism on your parts.

No, it's not. It's the realization that far too many people, namely inner city trash, have been intravenously fed money, housing and medical, without ever lifting a fucking finger. People are just tired of it. I've long contended that if you don't work and collect welfare, you shouldn't be able to vote. If you can't take care of yourself and earn, why should you be allowed to make decisions (vote) that affect money you don't contribute (tax dollars)? There wouldn't be a Democrat in office nationwide. But they'll continue to pay for votes, keep those generations of trash-balls reproducing and stay in office. It's really the party of pay checks versus the party of welfare checks. The cans and the don't want to's.

[slucero]

don't let those little details of iraq and afghanistan not being on the books while bush/cheney had their time.

Oh, yeah. That's right. That little detail of the hundreds of billions of dollars Dubbya never allowed to be part of the budget.

You neo-cons are too dim to realize that Obama is SAVING the country from people like you. This whole "taking our country back" is nothing more than acute racism on your parts.

Been there - done that... Add 4% or $752B/7=$107B on top of each year of Bushes budgets 2001 through 2007

Budgetary treatment of Iraq & Afghanistan war expenses

Much of the costs for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have not been funded through regular appropriations bills, but through emergency supplemental appropriations bills. As such, most of these expenses were not included in the budget deficit calculation prior to FY2010. Some budget experts argue that emergency supplemental appropriations bills do not receive the same level of legislative care as regular appropriations bills. In addition, emergency supplemental appropriations are not subject to the same budget enforcement mechanisms imposed on regular appropriations. Funding for the first stages of the Vietnam War was provided by supplemental appropriations, although President Johnson eventually acceded to Congressional demands to fund that war through the regular appropriations process.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that the President's FY2009 budget proposals would provide $188 billion in budget authority for FY2008. [40]

CBO estimates that appropriations for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001 through February 2008 total $752 billion.[41]

That would be approximately 4% of federal spending over the period.

Budget authority is legal authority to obligate the federal government. For many war-related activities there may be a long lag between the time when budget authority is granted and when payments (outlays) are made by the U.S. Treasury. In particular, spending on reconstruction activities in Iraq and Afghanistan has lagged behind available budget authority. In other cases, the military uses contracts that are payable upon completion, which can create long lags between appropriations and outlays.

In principle, the Department of Defense (DoD) separates war funding from base funding. In most cases, however, funds for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan use the same accounts as other DoD accounts. This raises challenges to attempts to achieve a precise separation of expenditures on operations in Iraq and Afghanistan from the base defense operations.

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/11/ ... 9-deficit/

Posted by Daniel J. Mitchell

Some critics are lambasting President Obama for record deficits. This is not a productive line of attack, largely because it puts the focus on the wrong variable. America’s fiscal problem is excessive government spending, and deficits are merely a symptom of that underlying disease. Moreover, if deficits are perceived as the problem, that means both spending restraint and higher taxes are solutions. The political class, needless to say, will choose the latter approach 99 percent of the time. A higher tax burden, however, simply means that debt-financed spending is replaced by tax-financed spending, which is akin to jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire, or vice-versa.

In addition to being theoretically misguided, critics sometimes blame Obama for things that are not his fault. Listening to a talk radio program yesterday, the host asserted that Obama tripled the budget deficit in his first year. This assertion is understandable, since the deficit jumped from about $450 billion in 2008 to $1.4 trillion in 2009. As this chart illustrates, with the Bush years in green, it appears as if Obama’s policies have led to an explosion of debt.



But there is one rather important detail that makes a big difference. The chart is based on the assumption that the current administration should be blamed for the 2009 fiscal year. While this makes sense to a casual observer, it is largely untrue. The 2009 fiscal year began October 1, 2008, nearly four months before Obama took office. The budget for the entire fiscal year was largely set in place while Bush was in the White House. So is we update the chart to show the Bush fiscal years in green, we can see that Obama is partly right in claiming that he inherited a mess (though Obama actually deserves a small share of the blame for Bush’s last deficit since earlier this year he pushed through both an “omnibus” spending bill and the so-called stimulus bill that increased FY2009 spending).



It should go without saying that this post is not an argument for Obama’s fiscal policy. The current President promised change, but he is continuing the wasteful and profligate policies of his big-spending predecessor. That is where critics should be focusing their attention.

[Seven Wishes2]

I respect that, Dan. But where was the outrage when Bush was doing the same thing? Spending recklessly and fuding "entitlement" programs. THAT'S my point.

[Seven Wishes2]

Education! Heaven forfend! I can't imagine how an education would help ANYONE! Mind you, the Every Child Left Behind Act was awful.

Seriously, though, FF. I actually respect that and agree to a degree.

[Saint John]

I respect that, Dan. But where was the outrage when Bush was doing the same thing? Spending recklessly and fuding "entitlement" programs. THAT'S my point.

Oh, there was outrage on my part! I think the best way going forward, even though no one will do it because there will always be someone there willing to sellout for votes, is to put a 5 total years max on welfare. I understand that people go through tough times, I really do. But at some point, there has to be incentive to work, and a finite amount of welfare is probably the right start. And, you know what, take away the incentive for having welfare babies. Don't give one extra fucking cent and you'll start to see the birth rate go down. I guarantee it. People just don't want to admit it, but giving these "parents" money for their children is probably doing far more harm than good. It teaches them that the government will always subsidize their poor decisions in life. And that's what's happening, and it's sad. Time to stop it ... now.

[Don]

I respect that, Dan. But where was the outrage when Bush was doing the same thing? Spending recklessly and fuding "entitlement" programs. THAT'S my point.

Oh, there was outrage on my part! I think the best way going forward, even though no one will do it because there will always be someone there willing to sellout for votes, is to put a 5 total years max on welfare. I understand that people go through tough times, I really do. But at some point, there has to be incentive to work, and a finite amount of welfare is probably the right start. And, you know what, take away the incentive for having welfare babies. Don't give one extra fucking cent and you'll start to see the birth rate go down. I guarantee it. People just don't want to admit it, but giving these "parents" money for their children is probably doing far more harm than good. It teaches them that the government will always subsidize their poor decisions in life. And that's what's happening, and it's sad. Time to stop it ... now.

I though there was already a five year cap. Isn't there a push to lower it down to two years?

[Saint John]

I respect that, Dan. But where was the outrage when Bush was doing the same thing? Spending recklessly and fuding "entitlement" programs. THAT'S my point.

Oh, there was outrage on my part! I think the best way going forward, even though no one will do it because there will always be someone there willing to sellout for votes, is to put a 5 total years max on welfare. I understand that people go through tough times, I really do. But at some point, there has to be incentive to work, and a finite amount of welfare is probably the right start. And, you know what, take away the incentive for having welfare babies. Don't give one extra fucking cent and you'll start to see the birth rate go down. I guarantee it. People just don't want to admit it, but giving these "parents" money for their children is probably doing far more harm than good. It teaches them that the government will always subsidize their poor decisions in life. And that's what's happening, and it's sad. Time to stop it ... now.

I though there was already a five year cap. Isn't there a push to lower it down to two years?

I've never heard that. As far as *I* know, it's a lifetime entitlement.

[hoagiepete]

Education! Heaven forfend! I can't imagine how an education would help ANYONE! Mind you, the Every Child Left Behind Act was wful.

Seriously, though, FF. I actually respect that and agree to a degree.

Don't think anyone said education wouldn't help anyone. Pissing money down the federal government trough is the point.

Send that money to the states and the local school districts directly and THEN you'd be helping the kids, not the layers upon layers of bureaucrats. I'm glad you agree about No Child Left Behind. Very typical federal government program. Huge in red tape and little in return to those they are trying to help.

The Recovery Act is the same thing. If they'd just have sent the money to the local level, it would have been much better than what they have been doing. They make it sound great, but have made it so difficult to get the funds, those that really need it most can't get it. Seen it first hand through my work with workforce investment boards and on school advisory committees.

[Don]

I respect that, Dan. But where was the outrage when Bush was doing the same thing? Spending recklessly and fuding "entitlement" programs. THAT'S my point.

Oh, there was outrage on my part! I think the best way going forward, even though no one will do it because there will always be someone there willing to sellout for votes, is to put a 5 total years max on welfare. I understand that people go through tough times, I really do. But at some point, there has to be incentive to work, and a finite amount of welfare is probably the right start. And, you know what, take away the incentive for having welfare babies. Don't give one extra fucking cent and you'll start to see the birth rate go down. I guarantee it. People just don't want to admit it, but giving these "parents" money for their children is probably doing far more harm than good. It teaches them that the government will always subsidize their poor decisions in life. And that's what's happening, and it's sad. Time to stop it ... now.

I though there was already a five year cap. Isn't there a push to lower it down to two years?

I've never heard that. As far as *I* know, it's a lifetime entitlement.

The way I though it worked is with a Fed cap at 5 years and States having the ability to make it even shorter. States can also extend it but have to use State dollars instead of Federal funds if they go that route.

[Rockindeano]

We are now going with the Conservative Right not the Center Right Rino Country Club Sect.

LOL, you really are a passionate idiot I will say. LOL again, if you think you are making inroads by going the "conservative Right," then you need to stab yourself to death already. The "Conservative Right" enjoys very limited success, and will never ever alone lead this country again. Perhaps a Moderate-Right ideology yes, but you are absolutely dreaming if you think Palin and her posse of staunch conservative right wing nutjubs are going to be in power. LOL, Palin, Bachman, Angle, Kantor, Boehner....they are all truly horrible people with even worse ideas. They have no love for America nor the people in her borders. That ideologue is for "me, me and me." Enjoy next Tuesday, because although you will squeak out the House, you will still be without the Senate and the Whitehouse, and come 2012, you will most likely lose the House again. So eat up fast there FF....the buffet won't last long, and what I don't get is, how will a few people majority in the House solve or help anything? All it is a reinforcement of gridlock. Congratulations of slamming on the brakes of America.

[Saint John]

I've said it before and I'll say it again ... it doesn't make a huge impact on my life if a Democrat or Republican wins. I work hard, I save harder and I live and enjoy life. The only thing the House, Senate and White House affect in my life, is how much I think I need to save. I've actually turned Obama being the worst president this country has ever seen into a positive, because I've been stashing cash like mad for 2 years now. His policies are destroying growth and jobs, and I'm quite certain that the 2 homes I plan on purchasing in the next 2-4 years will be foreclosures because some poor bastard got laid off because the Sock Monkey in the White House taxed the guy's company to death and they had to let him go.

[slucero]

All those USD's are gonna be pretty worthless at the rate the Fed has been debasing the USD... QE2 will be even worse...

[Seven Wishes2]

Ah, Charlie Cook. The bastion of objectivism.