President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:14 am

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Saint John wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again ... it doesn't make a huge impact on my life if a Democrat or Republican wins. I work hard, I save harder and I live and enjoy life. The only thing the House, Senate and White House affect in my life, is how much I think I need to save. I've actually turned Obama being the worst president this country has ever seen into a positive, because I've been stashing cash like mad for 2 years now. His policies are destroying growth and jobs, and I'm quite certain that the 2 homes I plan on purchasing in the next 2-4 years will be foreclosures because some poor bastard got laid off because the Sock Monkey in the White House taxed the guy's company to death and they had to let him go.



Great post....I'll just add that the more liberal motherfuckers want to control more of my life, and I'm damn sick and tired of their nanny state solution and we know better than you mentality. I want that left wing fucking buried in the ash heap of history never to return, and that includes The Won and his ilk. Telling me to ride in the back... fuck him..people like you and me Dan have been fueling the fucking bus for 200 years and he tells us to get in the back....no fucking way! :evil:


Goddamned, you have gone off the deep end dude. Seriously, are you fucked up or what?

Let me ask you something. Are you a republican or a Tea Partier? You can't be both.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:25 am

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Postby RossValoryRocks » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:37 am

Lula wrote:don't let those little details of iraq and afghanistan not being on the books while bush/cheney had their time.


That's a fallacy. Not in the budget yes...but definately accounted for in the deficit.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:12 am

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Seven Wishes wrote:Ah, Charlie Cook. The bastion of objectivism. :roll:



Duly noted:

In 1984, he founded the acclaimed The Cook Political Report newsletter,[1] which publishes analysis of the primaries and general elections for federal political offices and state governorships. The Report's predictions are accorded high credibility among journalists and politicians but not by 7 Wishes.


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Hey, doucher...what's your source?

Let's not even begin to pretend Cook isn't a FOX Operative in sheep's clothes.

The next time one of you hackneys calls me out on sources, please remember to look in the mirror. Yet another Lie Pasted by LiePaster.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/house/charlie-cook.html
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:27 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Charlie Cook has never worked at fox you nincompoop...why do you lie?


You're even more of a dullard than I assumed. One need not work for Fox to be in their employ, or to, Orwellian-style, cloisterfuck the brainless conservative minions.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:29 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Between 1921 and 1929, tax rates in the top brackets were cut from 73% to 24%. In other words, these were what the left likes to call "tax cuts for the rich."

What happened to federal revenues from income taxes over this same span of time? Income tax revenues rose by more than 30%. What happened to the economy? Jobs increased, output rose, the unemployment rate fell and incomes rose. Because economic activity increased, the government received more income tax revenues. In short, these were tax cuts for the economy, even if the left likes to call them "tax cuts for the rich."

This was not the only time that things like this happened, nor was Andrew Mellon the only one who advocated tax-rate cuts in order to increase tax revenues. John Maynard Keynes pointed out in 1933 that lowering the tax rates can increase tax revenues, if the tax rates are so high as to discourage economic activity.

President John F. Kennedy made the same argument in the 1960s — and tax revenues increased after the tax rates were cut during his administration. The same thing happened under Ronald Reagan during the 1980s. And it happened again under George W. Bush, whose tax-rate cuts are scheduled to expire in January.

The rich actually paid more total taxes, and a higher percentage of all taxes, after the Bush tax-rate cuts, because their incomes were rising with the rising economy.

Do the people who keep repeating the catchphrase "tax cuts for the rich" not know this? Or are they depending on your not knowing it?


Sources, numbskull? Anyway, I have so many facts to hash out here to thoroughly refute this bogus post...I will debunk you, yet again, later tonight.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:30 pm

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Seven Wishes wrote:Hey, dittoheads...read it and weep.

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/09/30/02635.html



Your lesson is done for tonight,,,now get home and study. :lol:


Sources cannot be dismissed as "biased" when they contain actual irrefutable facts, LiePaster.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:33 pm

Any of you see this?

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/vjack ... k-on-cuba/

Singer Gloria Estefan Hosts Obama, Turns Back on Cuba....by Victoria Jackson

So, I’m sitting in my local diner staring at a pair of gorgeous breasts that are hovering over my husband’s face as the twenty year old waitress takes our lunch order. She purrs, “Ready?” I think she just winked at him. He pretends not to notice. I am in the middle of a good story about my wonderful, recent trip to the AZ Freedom Rally II.

After an eternity, the gorgeous, young boobs leave and I resume my tale, ” …the greatest thing about this crucial moment in history is the fact that I am meeting the greatest people on earth…David Saucedo was in jail three years ago…he met Jesus, had an about-face and is now a Christian conservative rapper on the Tea Party Express IV.



His new rapper name is Polatik. He owns a construction company and runs a ministry in Waco, TX. Spending two days with him is like being at a 48 hour Bible study. He can’t stop talking about his new faith, his new life, his recent reading of the Federalist papers and The Constitution, the Bible, his new wife and two babies…one of which has leukemia. Yes, Lianna has leukemia and is getting chemo right now and losing her hair. David is trusting God for her healing. He shows me her picture on his I Phone. He put his life and now, his precious daughter’s life into his Father’s hands. He is vibrant and real and shimmering with enthusiasm for helping others and helping our country get back on track.” I’m glowing just from being near him. Paul nods. We both think about Romans 8:28.

The beautiful 20 year old breasts return and I am distracted from my story again. My husband pretends not to notice the breasts. The owner of the breasts places our food on the table. I notice her third button has been strategically unbuttoned. I clear my throat and continue, “Paul, I sent my letter to the Miami Herald. Do you want to read it?” Paul knows he must pay attention to me so he pushes his plate aside, slowly places his glasses on his nose and reads…
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October 14th, 2010

Dear Gloria Estefan,

Miami is my hometown. When I was born at Hialeah Hospital in 1959, you were 2 years old and moving here from Cuba, to escape Communism. America and its freedom, free enterprise and capitalism gave you the opportunity to become a superstar, to be financially and vocationally successful.

America is now under siege by a Marxist, progressive, leftist, radical, socialist, communist dictator drunk with power. His name is Obama. You invited him to your home on April 15, 2010, for a Democratic fundraiser.

1.His parents were communists. His grandparents were communists. His childhood mentor Frank Davis was a communist.
2.He had “Marxist professors.” He taught a class on Saul Alinsky whose book “Rules for Radicals” is dedicated to Lucifer.
3.His college records are sealed.
4.He claims to be a Christian yet ridicules Scripture, denies Jesus is the only way to salvation, supports partial-birth abortion and attended a church for 20 years pastored by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who did not teach Christianity but “Black Liberation Theology,” which is Marxism disguised as religion.
5.He is friends with radicals and communists like William Ayers and has appointed many of them to positions of power – Sunstein, Jarrett, Van Jones, etc.
6.He told Joe the Plumber on the campaign trail that his philosophy was to “spread the wealth.” This is a direct quote from “The Communist Manifesto” written by Karl Marx and Fredrich Engels.
7.When he entered office he immediately took over the banks, the auto industry, health care (by bribery) and is intent on ending freedom of speech on the Internet, radio and TV by fees and fines. He is intent on using the myth of human-caused global warming to usurp control over our energy by Cap ‘n Tax, which would limit the number of minutes we take a shower and the kind of light bulbs we use.
8.His arrogant, excessive spending, with his stimulus laws and over-taxation, is destroying our economy, the middle class and our children’s future quality of life.
You had the audacity to invite this communist over to your home to raise money for the Democratic Party, which is controlling Congress and giving him unlimited power to achieve his goal of making our once-free country a welfare state, just like the Cuba you left. You are either uninformed, ignorant or crazy.



Estudio Espanol dos anos en mi escuela secundario, y I think you are loco en la cabeza. I ask my Cuban friends and neighbors what happened to you. Don’t you remember where you came from? Your father in a Cuban communist jail? They shake their heads sadly. You spit on the free country that gave you the American Dream.

I urge you to educate yourself on what is happening in America today. Nov. 2 is the most serious vote of our nation’s history. We will vote in either liberty or tyranny. How can you vote in tyranny when your family and friends risked their lives on rafts to escape it?

I don’t understand you.

Sincerely,

Victoria Jackson (”Saturday Night Live” cast member 1986-1992 because of capitalism/freedom)

—–

Paul takes his glasses off, places the letter carefully to the side and moves his lunch plate in front of him.

I say, “So, what do you think?” Paul says, “It’s confrontational.”

I am doing all I can to inform my fellow Americans. I spent the first 50 years of my life ignoring the political system. Ignorance is bliss. I awakened to find a horror movie playing out in Washington, D.C. It’s never too late to fix a broken relationship. Let’s vote Nov. 2. Let’s be informed voters, not emotional voters. I’m talking to you, my friends D, M, K, B, B and B. Don’t brag that you have to vote Democrat because you’ve always been a Democrat and will die a Democrat. News flash. The meaning of the word “Democrat” has changed along with the meaning of the word “hot/sexy,” “fat/phat,” “gay/happy” and “Republican.” Everything has shifted left. When you say, “Democrat,” it now means “Socialist/Communist.” ”Republican” means “Democrat.” But, forget labels. Care about facts, reality, truth and the future of our children.

Our waitress returns with our check and I force my eyes to look past her cleavage and into her eyes. I smile and realize there is a soul under that chest and… she is a potential conservative voter.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:55 pm

Wow. Victoria Jackson. Compared to her, George Will is a post-medicated Charlie Gordon. You're right, FartFinder. Any leftist counter-argument will simply fail after this. Thanks for putting us in our places. :roll:
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:36 pm

And as one of the elite, as a woman whose earnings are in the top .05th percentile, how DARE she attempt to subvert the conversation away from the GOP's systematic and deliberate evisceration of the middle class, and suggest that Obama is the one who's caused the middle class' AVERAGE income to drop 2% (in unadjusted dollars) since 2001. She accuses him of that, and calls him a socialist? That dumb broad needs to realize you can't have it both ways. Wow, is she remarkably stupid.
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Postby rockinfayrose » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:34 pm

I sure hope all the Democrat nominees kick the Republican asses here in California on election day next week...if I see another Meg Whitman and Steve Cooley TV ad I'm going to vomit
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:08 pm

Don wrote:I though there was already a five year cap. Isn't there a push to lower it down to two years?


Bill Clinton dismantled welfare. Its benefits are not generous and contrary to popular (and racist) belieft, most of the recipients are white. Welfare did not put us in this hole. Deregulatory GOP policies inflated a housing bubble that wiped out tax revenues. It's very simple. All this hand-wringing about Bush's deficits vs. Obama's, conveniently ignores the fact that Bush ran deficits in economic good times. BIG difference. Obama's deficit is the only thing keeping the economy barely humming along.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:15 pm

RedWingFan wrote:Any of you see this?

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/vjack ... k-on-cuba/


I saw her throw away whatever shred of her career was left on Hannity the other night. She is so spacey, one might think it's all an Andy Kaufman style prank. Apparently she shows up at Tea Party events and strums a ukulele singing about Obama's communist tendencies. LOL. Not every SNL cast member makes it big, but even Belushi went out more gracefully than this wash-up.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:20 pm

She makes Tim Meadows look like Adam Sandler. Honestly, it was entertaining when I thought it was part of her act, but apparently, she's not a character actor.
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Postby Don » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:22 pm

So, Victoria Jackson is a closet lesbian? At least that's what I got out of this article, beyond the fact that she appears to have a few screws loose.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:30 pm

Just read that, in her words, "God" told Christine O'Donnell to run for the Senate. Apparently, God has a great sense of humor, as evidenced by the platypus, the giraffe, and Sharon Angle.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:37 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Between 1921 and 1929, tax rates in the top brackets were cut from 73% to 24%. In other words, these were what the left likes to call "tax cuts for the rich."

What happened to federal revenues from income taxes over this same span of time? Income tax revenues rose by more than 30%. What happened to the economy? Jobs increased, output rose, the unemployment rate fell and incomes rose.


They also contributed to the Wall Street Crash of 1929. Sound familiar? Higher tax rates force buisness owners to invest profits back into the company, instead of claiming it as personal income and feeling the pinch. This creates new jobs. Yes, they can always hide it offshore, but fuck those people.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:48 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:They also contributed to the Wall Street Crash of 1929. Sound familiar? Higher tax rates force buisness owners to invest profits back into the company, instead of claiming it as personal income and feeling the pinch. This creates new jobs. Yes, they can always hide it offshore, but fuck those people.


That is an outright lie. ALL of it. The crash of '29 has nothing to do with lowering rates...but it was about getting us out of the depression of the early '20s.

High taxes FORCE a business owner to put money into the company, and it creates new jobs?? Are you completely fucked in the head? I take it you NEVER have run a small or medium sized business? Now go find some leftist blog/website and show me how I am wrong.

I was trying to be moderate here....but not anymore; enjoy the ass whooping next Tuesday. 50 seats in the house...minimum...probably 8 in the Senate...and Harry Reid goes buh-bye...
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:21 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:That is an outright lie. ALL of it. The crash of '29 has nothing to do with lowering rates...but it was about getting us out of the depression of the early '20s.

High taxes FORCE a business owner to put money into the company, and it creates new jobs?? Are you completely fucked in the head? I take it you NEVER have run a small or medium sized business? Now go find some leftist blog/website and show me how I am wrong.

I was trying to be moderate here....but not anymore; enjoy the ass whooping next Tuesday. 50 seats in the house...minimum...probably 8 in the Senate...and Harry Reid goes buh-bye...


You're wrong. Low taxes cause recessions. By 1929, upper-income groups controlled all the wealth, and the majority of the public had no buying power (ie demand). Same as now. As for high taxes stimulating the economy, I'd kindly direct you to the Great Compression of the late 30s to the 70s, the longest period of economic expansion that led to the creation of the American middle class. As for providing links or showing my arithmetic, no thanks. I don't have to. Right wing economic policies have been put to the test and failed. The proof is in the smoldering ruins of the American economy lying before you.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:34 am

Fact Finder wrote:Read it and weep libtards....coming soon to a NY or Chicago near you....

What we see happening in France and across Europe are the devastating effects of the welfare state. We see a citizenry whose work ethic, morals, power of reason, and grasp on reality have been grievously damaged. They balk at hard work, yet they want to enjoy lives of plenty and ease. Their governments are bankrupt, but they still keep demanding benefits that are impossible to deliver. And while they refuse to engage in hard labor themselves, they see nothing wrong with living at someone else's expense.


In France, people work to live. Here, they live to work. I think the France riots are the ultimate expression of a citizenry rising up. Why should the Sarkozy government punish the working class for a global economic crisis engineered in financial centers like London and Wall Street? The real spirt of the Boston Tea Party is alive and marching on the Champ de Mars, not the National Mall in DC. It's good to see a government that's actually afraid of its citizenry. Tea Partiers and the useless American left would be wise to take note.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:40 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:That is an outright lie. ALL of it. The crash of '29 has nothing to do with lowering rates...but it was about getting us out of the depression of the early '20s.

High taxes FORCE a business owner to put money into the company, and it creates new jobs?? Are you completely fucked in the head? I take it you NEVER have run a small or medium sized business? Now go find some leftist blog/website and show me how I am wrong.

I was trying to be moderate here....but not anymore; enjoy the ass whooping next Tuesday. 50 seats in the house...minimum...probably 8 in the Senate...and Harry Reid goes buh-bye...


You're wrong. Low taxes cause recessions. By 1929, upper-income groups controlled all the wealth, and the majority of the public had no buying power (ie demand). Same as now. As for high taxes stimulating the economy, I'd kindly direct you to the Great Compression of the late 30s to the 70s, the longest period of economic expansion that led to the creation of the American middle class. As for providing links or showing my arithmetic, no thanks. I don't have to. Right wing economic policies have been put to the test and failed. The proof is in the smoldering ruins of the American economy lying before you.

You are so wrong that you don't even know it. What caused the Great Depression was a complex set of events ties to things like people borrowing money to invest in stocks etc. Not low tax rates. I will poke more holes in your absurd fantasies later...trying to do this on a smart phone is aggravating. But I will have you note that ruin of our economy has more to do with democrats and their policies than republicans.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:49 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:You are so wrong that you don't even know it. What caused the Great Depression was a complex set of events ties to things like people borrowing money to invest in stocks etc. Not low tax rates. I will poke more holes in your absurd fantasies later...trying to do this on a smart phone is aggravating. But I will have you note that ruin of our economy has more to do with democrats and their policies than republicans.


You subscribe to one version of history. I subscribe to mine. Before you issue anymore empty challenges, we're still waiting on you to prove that NPR's newscasts are slanted to the left.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:57 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:You are so wrong that you don't even know it. What caused the Great Depression was a complex set of events ties to things like people borrowing money to invest in stocks etc. Not low tax rates. I will poke more holes in your absurd fantasies later...trying to do this on a smart phone is aggravating. But I will have you note that ruin of our economy has more to do with democrats and their policies than republicans.


You subscribe to one version of history. I subscribe to mine. Before you issue anymore empty challenges, we're still waiting on you to prove that NPR's newscasts are slanted to the left.


A. History isnt subjective. It is fact and cannot be altered. There are no "versions" of history, just one.
B. You don't provide one link supporting your view, so why should I do the same. NPR is left leaning, everyone knows it, I don't need to provide you anything.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:07 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:A. History isnt subjective. It is fact and cannot be altered. There are no "versions" of history, just one.

History, as it is often said, is written by the victors. Of course there is more than one interpretation. When you're dealing with economics, this becomes even more true.

RossValoryRocks wrote:NPR is left leaning, everyone knows it, I don't need to provide you anything.


Right...just like all the artwork, music, and cutting-edge science in Germany was deemed "jew art", "jew science," and "nigger-jew music." Why? Who cares? Accurate or not, it just was. The liberal media myth is the biggest implementation of the Goebbel's Big Lie theory I have ever seen. These tactics are not new.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:32 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:A. History isnt subjective. It is fact and cannot be altered. There are no "versions" of history, just one.

History, as it is often said, is written by the victors. Of course there is more than one interpretation. When you're dealing with economics, this becomes even more true.

RossValoryRocks wrote:NPR is left leaning, everyone knows it, I don't need to provide you anything.


Right...just like all the artwork, music, and cutting-edge science in Germany was deemed "jew art", "jew science," and "nigger-jew music." Why? Who cares? Accurate or not, it just was. The liberal media myth is the biggest implementation of the Goebbel's Big Lie theory I have ever seen. These tactics are not new.

So using your argument Fox isn't right leaning. Gotcha.
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Postby slucero » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:58 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:A. History isnt subjective. It is fact and cannot be altered. There are no "versions" of history, just one.

History, as it is often said, is written by the victors. Of course there is more than one interpretation. When you're dealing with economics, this becomes even more true.

RossValoryRocks wrote:NPR is left leaning, everyone knows it, I don't need to provide you anything.


Right...just like all the artwork, music, and cutting-edge science in Germany was deemed "jew art", "jew science," and "nigger-jew music." Why? Who cares? Accurate or not, it just was. The liberal media myth is the biggest implementation of the Goebbel's Big Lie theory I have ever seen. These tactics are not new.

So using your argument Fox isn't right leaning. Gotcha.


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Postby lights1961 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:40 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:A. History isnt subjective. It is fact and cannot be altered. There are no "versions" of history, just one.

History, as it is often said, is written by the victors. Of course there is more than one interpretation. When you're dealing with economics, this becomes even more true.

RossValoryRocks wrote:NPR is left leaning, everyone knows it, I don't need to provide you anything.


Right...just like all the artwork, music, and cutting-edge science in Germany was deemed "jew art", "jew science," and "nigger-jew music." Why? Who cares? Accurate or not, it just was. The liberal media myth is the biggest implementation of the Goebbel's Big Lie theory I have ever seen. These tactics are not new.

So using your argument Fox isn't right leaning. Gotcha.


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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:14 am

Gotcha? Wow. You guys are so simple-minded and so far out of touch that your rear and frontal lobes are on permanent disconnect. TNC constantly offers irrefutable sourcing to defend his positions; you neo-cons simply copy and paste right-wing-nutjob blogs and completely and deliberately misinterpret CBO data, when you're not following through with your marching orders from Fox and Murdoch.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1180

Despite the commonness of such claims, little evidence has ever been presented for a left bias at NPR, and FAIR’s latest study gives it no support. [On NPR programming, in 2004], looking at partisan sources—including government officials, party officials, campaign workers and consultants—Republicans outnumbered Democrats by more than 3 to 2 (61 percent to 38 percent).

Many of my conservative friends listen to NPR because they consider it a valid, unbiased source of information and countering viewpoints. Turdbrains, you KNOW for a FACT that is NOT the case over at Fox, which is little more than an arm of the GOP. NPR has more conservative commentators in its regular programming than liberal ones.

Wow, you Goebbels-worshiping retread dittoheads really need to try to think for yourselves just ONCE every now and then.
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