President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bingo. Dead on. Obama wasn't who he said he was, or what the media claimed he would be. He was the exact opposite and radical about it.

BS. Name one piece of legislation that President Obama pushed that Candidate Obama did not campaign on? If anything he has been less radical than advertised. No public option. No real trade deal reforms. No major attempt at Cap n' Trade etc. etc.

[Rockindeano]

GOP got the subpoena back...

If they won back the House in November, Republicans would be granted the power to issue subpoenas by controlling the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Bachmann is not a member of the committee, but Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) is its ranking member. Issa has already demonstrated his eagerness to invoke the power of subpoena, which he could use to cause legislative headaches and political paralysis for the administration. The California Republican has vowed to pursue a wide array of charges, should the Republicans win back the House.

Wonder if they'll finally find Obama's real birth certificate...

It's comments like this, why I can't fucking stand you moronic conservatives. Still hoping Obama wasn't born here huh? That really is pathetic. His birth certificate has been verified by the governor of the state of Hawaii. It has been shown in newspapers, yet you stupid fuck Birthers continue on with your childish games.

[RossValoryRocks]

I agree with Dean...enough with the Birth Certificate bullshit...like I said...I can't STAND conspiracy theories...

[Rockindeano]

It's just real sad to watch a couple people on here simply parrot the absurdity of Limbaugh and his real immature games and comments. You have to be blind not to see it said by those I am referring to. It really is sad when you have people wishing failure on the president, because of his party affiliation.

[RossValoryRocks]

It's just real sad to watch a couple people on here simply parrot the absurdity of Limbaugh and his real immature games and comments. You have to be blind not to see it said by those I am referring to.

Yep they have gone too far with the birther thing. Kind of like Dan Rather did with Bush and his National Guard service

It really is sad when you have people wishing failure on the president, because of his party affiliation.

I want him to be successful...but if I think his policies are not in the best interest of the country then I will oppose those policies.

And I seem to recall you singing a different tune when Bush was President...which is fine...just be consistent.

[Seven Wishes2]

The two simply don't compare. You don't get to use that one as your parachute. Sorry.

[RossValoryRocks]

The two simply don't compare. You don't get to use that one as your parachute. Sorry.

WTF are you pratting on about?

Dan Rather used FALSE documents...false FEDERAL documents...which is a CRIME BTW...to try and smear a President...the Birther Nuts are trying to say an official document isn't real...not a crime...just terribly stupid...

So you are saying that counterfeiting a federal document isn't at the very least ON PAR with with craziness of the birthers?

You are a true wonder, as in I wonder how you survived this long in business, because you REALLY lack common sense.

[slucero]

GOP got the subpoena back...

If they won back the House in November, Republicans would be granted the power to issue subpoenas by controlling the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Bachmann is not a member of the committee, but Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) is its ranking member. Issa has already demonstrated his eagerness to invoke the power of subpoena, which he could use to cause legislative headaches and political paralysis for the administration. The California Republican has vowed to pursue a wide array of charges, should the Republicans win back the House.

Wonder if they'll finally find Obama's real birth certificate...

It's comments like this, why I can't fucking stand you moronic conservatives. Still hoping Obama wasn't born here huh? That really is pathetic. His birth certificate has been verified by the governor of the state of Hawaii. It has been shown in newspapers, yet you stupid fuck Birthers continue on with your childish games.

Its called A JOKE you morons... grow a set...

[RedWingFan]

Winning the House is really non changing. Not one thing will get done.

What the house can do is vote to repeal Obamacare, topped off with a vote right before the '12 elections.

Yesterday Republicans had more seats up than Democrats, and they took what 6 or 7?

2012 Democrats are going to have to defend more than Republicans...what, 21 seats? (including our lousy Stabenow..we just elected a Republican governor with a 20 POINT SPREAD...IN MICHIGAN)

The House needs to pass repeal and make those Democrat Senators go on record. It's either their ass if they vote against it or Obama's if they force him to veto it!

I can't wait!!! How beautiful it would be to win the Senate, vote out Obama. And drive a stake through the heart of Obamacare!!! It's what 729 days away?

[Rockindeano]

You'll never be able to repeal Healthcare. Obama WILL defend one of the single greatest achievements in American politics. You on the right are so pathetic. repeal, repeal, repeal, and subpoena subpoena subpoena! What a disgrace you are.

[Saint John]

You'll never be able to repeal Healthcare. Obama WILL defend one of the single greatest achievements in American politics. You on the right are so pathetic. repeal, repeal, repeal, and subpoena subpoena subpoena! What a disgrace you are.

I just can't understand why so many people in this country have such little pride. Educate, earn and take of yourself and your family. It's soooo fucking easy to do so in this country. But the Right is pathetic for asking for, and doing, just that.

[Rockindeano]

You'll never be able to repeal Healthcare. Obama WILL defend one of the single greatest achievements in American politics. You on the right are so pathetic. repeal, repeal, repeal, and subpoena subpoena subpoena! What a disgrace you are.

I just can't understand why so many people in this country have such little pride. Educate, earn and take for yourself and your family. It's soooo fucking easy to do so in this country. But the Right is pathetic for asking for, and doing, just that.

You and those on the right are so fucking disillusioned- you know not what you speak of. Not everyone in this country has the ability to get a good enough job in order to save 200-300 dollars per month for healthcare. Some have to settle for less than stellar jobs- but fuck them, right? Fuck them because they didn't go to college, don't make 70K per year, and it's not our responsibility to take care of our brothers and sisters is it? Just fend for thyself, and fuck everybody else. I just don't harbor that mindset, sorry. We can take care of 31 million Americans and save money doing it, but you on the right want no part of it.

The GOP has intentionally lied to the people, scared them as well, in order to mislead. I find that to be really disheartening.

[Angel]

You'll never be able to repeal Healthcare. Obama WILL defend one of the single greatest achievements in American politics. You on the right are so pathetic. repeal, repeal, repeal, and subpoena subpoena subpoena! What a disgrace you are.

I just can't understand why so many people in this country have such little pride. Educate, earn and take for yourself and your family. It's soooo fucking easy to do so in this country. But the Right is pathetic for asking for, and doing, just that.

You and those on the right are so fucking disillusioned- you know not what you speak of. Not everyone in this country has the ability to get a good enough job in order to save 200-300 dollars per month for healthcare. Some have to settle for less than stellar jobs- but fuck them, right? Fuck them because they didn't go to college, don't make 70K per year, and it's not our responsibility to take care of our brothers and sisters is it? Just fend for thyself, and fuck everybody else. I just don't harbor that mindset, sorry. We can take care of 31 million Americans and save money doing it, but you on the right want no part of it.

The GOP has intentionally lied to the people, scared them as well, in order to mislead. I find that to be really disheartening.

I have nothing against helping out those that need help. What I do have issues with is those that abuse the system costing the taxpayers millions of dollars a year and the government telling me how I can care for my patients without regard for what I feel is best for them......but you already know how I feel...

[Saint John]

You'll never be able to repeal Healthcare. Obama WILL defend one of the single greatest achievements in American politics. You on the right are so pathetic. repeal, repeal, repeal, and subpoena subpoena subpoena! What a disgrace you are.

I just can't understand why so many people in this country have such little pride. Educate, earn and take for yourself and your family. It's soooo fucking easy to do so in this country. But the Right is pathetic for asking for, and doing, just that.

You and those on the right are so fucking disillusioned- you know not what you speak of. Not everyone in this country has the ability to get a good enough job in order to save 200-300 dollars per month for healthcare. Some have to settle for less than stellar jobs- but fuck them, right? Fuck them because they didn't go to college, don't make 70K per year, and it's not our responsibility to take care of our brothers and sisters is it? Just fend for thyself, and fuck everybody else. I just don't harbor that mindset, sorry. We can take care of 31 million Americans and save money doing it, but you on the right want no part of it.

The GOP has intentionally lied to the people, scared them as well, in order to mislead. I find that to be really disheartening.

Nice, bleeding heart excuses, but they're simply not true. People don't want to work, Dean. They want to collect unemployment, welfare, disability or some other form of unearned handout, even though the vast majority have nothing wrong with them. And Obamacare will destroy this country. This article from The Wall Street Journal simplifies it, and the last 2 sentences are what it's all about ... making more people dependent on the government and ensuring votes from the deadbeat offspring of these fucking non-contributors.

For the first time, the combined employer-worker 2.9% Medicare rate would be extended beyond wages to interest, dividends, capital gains, annuities, royalties and rents for individuals with adjusted gross income above $200,000 and joint filers over $250,000.

That would lift the top capital-gains rate to 22.9% as the regular rate bounces back to 20% from 15% when the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of this year. The top rate for dividends would rise to 42.5% when the Bush income-tax rates expire. The White House plan also raises the ordinary Medicare payroll tax by 0.9 percentage points for the same filers, bringing it to 3.8%.

Preliminary estimates from the Joint Committee on Taxation peg the revenue from these changes at $183.6 billion over 10 years. The Tax Policy Center of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution estimates that 86% of the revenue from the investment tax would come from people making more than $624,000, or about 1.2 million taxpayers. This has led many liberals to claim that it won't matter to investors or harm the economy.

Yet these static analyses ignore the incentive effects forecast by the Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation. Stephen Entin and colleagues estimates that the investment tax would depress GDP by about 1.3% and reduce capital formation by 3.4%, and thus reduce the after-tax incomes of everyone not paying the tax directly in the neighborhood of 1.1% to 1.2%. Labor productivity and wages would fall across the board, while the lost government revenues from the more-sluggish economy would offset the expected receipts.




So for reasons of political expediency, Democrats will now impose a destructive tax that will permanently skew the incentives to work, save and create jobs. Come to think of it, that sums up this entire exercise.

[Rockindeano]

You'll never be able to repeal Healthcare. Obama WILL defend one of the single greatest achievements in American politics. You on the right are so pathetic. repeal, repeal, repeal, and subpoena subpoena subpoena! What a disgrace you are.

I just can't understand why so many people in this country have such little pride. Educate, earn and take for yourself and your family. It's soooo fucking easy to do so in this country. But the Right is pathetic for asking for, and doing, just that.

You and those on the right are so fucking disillusioned- you know not what you speak of. Not everyone in this country has the ability to get a good enough job in order to save 200-300 dollars per month for healthcare. Some have to settle for less than stellar jobs- but fuck them, right? Fuck them because they didn't go to college, don't make 70K per year, and it's not our responsibility to take care of our brothers and sisters is it? Just fend for thyself, and fuck everybody else. I just don't harbor that mindset, sorry. We can take care of 31 million Americans and save money doing it, but you on the right want no part of it.

The GOP has intentionally lied to the people, scared them as well, in order to mislead. I find that to be really disheartening.

I have nothing against helping out those that need help. What I do have issues with is those that abuse the system costing the taxpayers millions of dollars a year and the government telling me how I can care for my patients without regard for what I feel is best for them......but you already know how I feel...

I know you have a heart, but the fact is I don't really care what those in the medical field think- I just know what is the right thing to do. I respect the Hell out of Obama when he said to the Dems in Congress, "do the right thing." The right thing may cost us money, may even save us money, but the bottom line it is absolutely the right thing to do. We help out every other nation in the world, giving millions if not billions of dollars to those in need. We should also look into ourselves and help those here at home as well. To me, the bill doesn't go nearly far enough. I would insist that the public option was in there before I signed it.

[Angel]

On the surface it looks like the right thing to do but really, it's just giving everyone really crappy healthcare.

[Rockindeano]

You'll never be able to repeal Healthcare. Obama WILL defend one of the single greatest achievements in American politics. You on the right are so pathetic. repeal, repeal, repeal, and subpoena subpoena subpoena! What a disgrace you are.

I just can't understand why so many people in this country have such little pride. Educate, earn and take for yourself and your family. It's soooo fucking easy to do so in this country. But the Right is pathetic for asking for, and doing, just that.

You and those on the right are so fucking disillusioned- you know not what you speak of. Not everyone in this country has the ability to get a good enough job in order to save 200-300 dollars per month for healthcare. Some have to settle for less than stellar jobs- but fuck them, right? Fuck them because they didn't go to college, don't make 70K per year, and it's not our responsibility to take care of our brothers and sisters is it? Just fend for thyself, and fuck everybody else. I just don't harbor that mindset, sorry. We can take care of 31 million Americans and save money doing it, but you on the right want no part of it.

The GOP has intentionally lied to the people, scared them as well, in order to mislead. I find that to be really disheartening.

Nice, bleeding heart excuses, but they're simply not true. People don't want to work, Dean. They want to collect unemployment, welfare, disability or some other form of unearned handout, even though the vast majority have nothing wrong with them. And Obamacare will destroy this country. This article from The Wall Street Journal simplifies it, and the last 2 sentences are what it's all about ... making more people dependent on the government and ensuring votes from the deadbeat offspring of these fucking non-contributors.

For the first time, the combined employer-worker 2.9% Medicare rate would be extended beyond wages to interest, dividends, capital gains, annuities, royalties and rents for individuals with adjusted gross income above $200,000 and joint filers over $250,000.

That would lift the top capital-gains rate to 22.9% as the regular rate bounces back to 20% from 15% when the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of this year. The top rate for dividends would rise to 42.5% when the Bush income-tax rates expire. The White House plan also raises the ordinary Medicare payroll tax by 0.9 percentage points for the same filers, bringing it to 3.8%.

Preliminary estimates from the Joint Committee on Taxation peg the revenue from these changes at $183.6 billion over 10 years. The Tax Policy Center of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution estimates that 86% of the revenue from the investment tax would come from people making more than $624,000, or about 1.2 million taxpayers. This has led many liberals to claim that it won't matter to investors or harm the economy.

Yet these static analyses ignore the incentive effects forecast by the Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation. Stephen Entin and colleagues estimates that the investment tax would depress GDP by about 1.3% and reduce capital formation by 3.4%, and thus reduce the after-tax incomes of everyone not paying the tax directly in the neighborhood of 1.1% to 1.2%. Labor productivity and wages would fall across the board, while the lost government revenues from the more-sluggish economy would offset the expected receipts.




So for reasons of political expediency, Democrats will now impose a destructive tax that will permanently skew the incentives to work, save and create jobs. Come to think of it, that sums up this entire exercise.

What a garbage read from a distinct leaning right wing fishwrap. The WSJ hates Democrats, and leftist ideology. My opinion and thoughts on the matter are every bit as valid as the article you posted. Sorry, but just because it says so in the WSJ doesn't make it gospel. Kind of how you hate Rolling Stone...I hate the WSJ, for the reasons I just gave. And besides, is there really something wrong with being a bleeding heart liberal?

[Seven Wishes2]

Except that's not what's happening.

Lie Finder, go ahead and blabber on and on about repeal. It will NEVER happen. Everyone with one foot in reality - the most conservative commentators such as Will and Crystol, for example - has already acknowledged that. The more time the GOP wants to waste chasing that appartion, the better.

Remember that 16 months ago your party was supposedly dead in the water? I never ascribed to that notion, although I did speak of a need for the party to reassert itself. However, the extremism of the Tea Bagger party is NOT the answer. Republicans had better understand that a slightly right-of-center moderate approach is the only way the GOP will survive in the long term. For you to dismiss the Democratic party is short-sighted and laughable. Remember, because the Democrats control the Executive branch, an improvement in the overall economic picture and a reduction in unemployment will be as good as gold for the left in 2012, and ensure Obama is re-elected. The only chance the GOP has in 2012 is if the economy turns south and flounders - providing a true Republican leader emerges in the next 18 months. It sure as hell isn't going to be Palin or Gingrich - either one would get trounced in the general election.

And RVR - it is RIDICULOUS to compare an overblown story about Rather to a systematic and deliberate persecution by the entire right-wing apparatus. Simply does not compare. Sorry.

[Seven Wishes2]

All you have to do is find one semi-knowledgeable person who does not (for valid reasons or not) agree with the vast majority of his or her peers, copy and paste it, and reprint it - and there you have it! The "truth"!

[Rockindeano]

On the surface it looks like the right thing to do but really, it's just giving everyone really crappy healthcare.

Horseshit. Read the intracacies of the bill. Those that already have healthcare get to keep it! I am not about to rack my head against you people all night long again. The fact is, that 31 million people will now be covered, and those already insured get to keep their existing healthcare, however....no one can be dropped from their coverage anylonger! People cannot be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. This bill has already turned out to be positive, and it isn't even fully instituted yet. You have been lied to and mislead Natalie...probably that scumdick Crapo up there in Boise got to you, huh? I hate that fucker, by the way.

[Angel]

On the surface it looks like the right thing to do but really, it's just giving everyone really crappy healthcare.

Horseshit. Read the intracacies of the bill. Those that already have healthcare get to keep it! I am not about to rack my head against you people all night long again. The fact is, that 31 million people will now be covered, and those already insured get to keep their existing healthcare, however....no one can be dropped from their coverage anylonger! People cannot be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. This bill has already turned out to be positive, and it isn't even fully instituted yet. You have been lied to and mislead Natalie...probably that scumdick Crapo up there in Boise got to you, huh? I hate that fucker, by the way.

No, Crapo didn't get to me.....but, I'm wondering, have you read the entire bill?

[Saint John]

What a garbage read from a distinct leaning right wing fishwrap. The WSJ hates Democrats, and leftist ideology. My opinion and thoughts on the matter are every bit as valid as the article you posted. Sorry, but just because it says so in the WSJ doesn't make it gospel. Kind of how you hate Rolling Stone...I hate the WSJ, for the reasons I just gave. And besides, is there really something wrong with being a bleeding heart liberal?

Bleed all you want and take all of the money you want out of your own pocket and pay for everyone's health care! And I'm not talking about every single person, but we have to scale it back and make the vast majority sink or swim ... because I suspect that they can swim! But why should you when you can hop in Obamaboat and take a free and effortless ride on someone else's dime?

I just want to take care of myself and those that I am responsible for. If everyone did their little part, we wouldn't have any issues. The Right is doing theirs. Can you say the same about the inner-city garbage that your party hustles by destroying their lives with perpetual dependency? Because that's all they're really doing.

You just don't want to ask anything of the American people. Your posts indicate that you despise the notions of self-preservation, work, responsibility and autonomy. You're for a dependent people with absolutely no motivation. You want the few to take care of the many, and how much those few contribute is never enough. You saunter around in here with your "Fuck the rich!" attitude. Well, on a relative basis, you probably have it that much better than someone in Kenya, but if someone were to charge into your wallet and start jacking your beer/enjoyment money, you'd be the first motherfucker screaming and kicking. So, please, spare us the bullshit.

[Rockindeano]

What a garbage read from a distinct leaning right wing fishwrap. The WSJ hates Democrats, and leftist ideology. My opinion and thoughts on the matter are every bit as valid as the article you posted. Sorry, but just because it says so in the WSJ doesn't make it gospel. Kind of how you hate Rolling Stone...I hate the WSJ, for the reasons I just gave. And besides, is there really something wrong with being a bleeding heart liberal?

Bleed all you want and take all of the money you want out of your own pocket and pay for everyone's health care! And I'm not talking about every single person, but we have to scale it back and make the vast majority sink or swim ... because I suspect that they can swim! But why should you when you can hop in Obamaboat and take a free and effortless ride on someone else's dime?

I just want to take care of myself and those that I am responsible for. If everyone did their little part, we wouldn't have any issues. The Right is doing theirs. Can you say the same about the inner-city garbage that your party hustles by destroying their lives with perpetual dependency? Because that's all they're really doing.

You just don't want to ask anything of the American people. Your posts indicate that you despise the notions of self-preservation, work, responsibility and autonomy. You're for a dependent people with absolutely no motivation. You want the few to take care of the many, and how much those few contribute is never enough. You saunter around in here with your "Fuck the rich!" attitude. Well, on a relative basis, you probably have it that much better than someone in Kenya, but if someone were to charge into your wallet and start jacking your beer/enjoyment money, you'd be the first motherfucker screaming and kicking. So, please, spare us the bullshit.

Gee, thanks Dan. I guess because I feel differently than you, and see the country differently, I am just bullshit.

[slucero]

On the surface it looks like the right thing to do but really, it's just giving everyone really crappy healthcare.

Horseshit. Read the intracacies of the bill. Those that already have healthcare get to keep it! I am not about to rack my head against you people all night long again. The fact is, that 31 million people will now be covered, and those already insured get to keep their existing healthcare, however....no one can be dropped from their coverage anylonger! People cannot be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. This bill has already turned out to be positive, and it isn't even fully instituted yet. You have been lied to and mislead Natalie...probably that scumdick Crapo up there in Boise got to you, huh? I hate that fucker, by the way.

No, Crapo didn't get to me.....but, I'm wondering, have you read the entire bill?

the bill that “We have to pass so we can find out what is in it”??

[Saint John]

Gee, thanks Dan. I guess because I feel differently than you, and see the country differently, I am just bullshit.

I posted what I feel to be true. Your positions are simply out of self interest. And I completely believe that if it was your pocket this money was coming out, and the positions were reversed,you'd fucking hate it. I just don't understand what's so wrong about asking completely capable people of fending for themselves. And I felt this exact same way when I was making 9 fucking dollars an hour about 5 years ago.

[Angel]

On the surface it looks like the right thing to do but really, it's just giving everyone really crappy healthcare.

Horseshit. Read the intracacies of the bill. Those that already have healthcare get to keep it! I am not about to rack my head against you people all night long again. The fact is, that 31 million people will now be covered, and those already insured get to keep their existing healthcare, however....no one can be dropped from their coverage anylonger! People cannot be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. This bill has already turned out to be positive, and it isn't even fully instituted yet. You have been lied to and mislead Natalie...probably that scumdick Crapo up there in Boise got to you, huh? I hate that fucker, by the way.

No, Crapo didn't get to me.....but, I'm wondering, have you read the entire bill?

I just realized that the rest of my response didn't end up on here...

So you are telling me that it's a good bill because I can keep my existing insurance coverage that I pay for and ALSO pay more in taxes to cover an additional 31 million people? Now, why am I NOT excited about that? And I didn't even mention the increased out of pocket costs I'll get to pay for deductibles and copays because the cost of healthcare will have to go up to pay for all of this.....you are right, I really should be jumping for joy over this.

Let me again stress that I AM fully in favor of helping those in need-I just don't think this is the way to do it.

[Andrew]

From an outsiders viewpoint - this entire 301 page thread just sums up for me why the USA is in such a fucking mess (and sending me broke in the meantime).

No one is willing to work together or look past their own politically allianced ass to get anyting done.

[Rockindeano]

From an outsiders viewpoint - this entire 301 page thread just sums up for me why the USA is in such a fucking mess (and sending me broke in the meantime).

No one is willing to work together or look past their own politically allianced ass to get anyting done.

Our side tried. We still try. The "other" side has promised to stop anything and everything Obama wants to do. They have voted against every bill he favours, and they have even voted against ideas they themselves favour, just so Obama cannot reap any political capital. It's a disgrace. It's soley the fault of the republican party, why America is stalled. Not all their fault we are in trouble, but soley their fault we can't proceed. Congratulations, Assholes.

[slucero]

From an outsiders viewpoint - this entire 301 page thread just sums up for me why the USA is in such a fucking mess (and sending me broke in the meantime).

No one is willing to work together or look past their own politically allianced ass to get anyting done.

Deano the fault lies with BOTH PARTIES.. pull your fucking head out of your partisan asshole for a moment and smell the real shit they both have been cooking... The Reps went too far right... the Dems too far left... NEITHER represented enough of the People completely..


Drew... QEII could take the value of the USD down another 20%... (that's MORE stimulus Deano... )

BANKERS run this country... not the government... people need to wake up and realize that.. 1st...

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2010/11 ... d-fall-20/

[Andrew]

Drew... QEII could take the value of the USD down another 20%... (that's MORE stimulus Deano... )

That WILL put me out of business. I've lost 25% of income over the last year due to devalued US$....