President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[conversationpc]

By the way...No one has to "catch" you doing anything. You do such a good job at tripping over your own crap piles. At least the other liberals on this forum usually have a FEW facts behind them when they make a statement.

That's a tired old fallback, Dave. Everything I have posted here the past few weeks has been backed by pure, solid, 100% truthful fact. It's an easy way for you to avoid having to confront ugly truths, but it holds no water. Believe me, I could go back to the last page and pick apart every comment you made, disseminate everything, and prove you wrong, but I can't be bothered.

There go again with YOUR old fallback, that everything is "solid, 100% truthful fact". Can you say hello to Mary Poppins for me?

[Seven Wishes2]

Funny how a .gov posting that proves once and for all the GOP has driven up 85% of the national debt in the past 30 years gets completely ignored, but someone else's musings about the Patriot Act suddenly become the soup of the day.

Obama is a politician. He lost a lot of capital with the healthcare reform act and would not have had the votes to push it through.

Still, even though Obama was critical of the law as a senator, Republican lawmakers suggest they will resist any move to change the Patriot Act.

"Recent terror attacks, such as those at Ft. Hood and on Christmas Day, demonstrate just how severe of a threat we are facing," said Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), according to the Associated Press. "This extension keeps Patriot's security measures in place and demonstrates that there is a growing recognition that these crucial provisions must be preserved."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0301/Obama-signs-Patriot-Act-extension-without-reforms

Meanwhile, LiePaster and RightWingFan quote right wingnut blog posts and you fawn all over everything they claim; I post .gov data and you tell me I'm "always wrong". Well, in the real world - the objective real world the rest of us live in - you would lose that argument every time, Dave.

[Memorex]

Funny how a .gov posting that proves once and for all the GOP has driven up 85% of the national debt in the past 30 years gets completely ignored, but someone else's musings about the Patriot Act suddenly become the soup of the day.

Obama is a politician. He lost a lot of capital with the healthcare reform act and would not have had the votes to push it through.

Still, even though Obama was critical of the law as a senator, Republican lawmakers suggest they will resist any move to change the Patriot Act.

"Recent terror attacks, such as those at Ft. Hood and on Christmas Day, demonstrate just how severe of a threat we are facing," said Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), according to the Associated Press. "This extension keeps Patriot's security measures in place and demonstrates that there is a growing recognition that these crucial provisions must be preserved."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0301/Obama-signs-Patriot-Act-extension-without-reforms

Meanwhile, LiePaster and RightWingFan quote right wingnut blog posts and you fawn all over everything they claim; I post .gov data and you tell me I'm "always wrong". Well, in the real world - the objective real world the rest of us live in - you would lose that argument every time, Dave.

Just to be clear - and I am not choosing sides - I was referring to Obama's court actions fighting for the powers given to him and even expanding them and fighting for that expansion. Those actions tell me that now that he is commander in chief and has the pretty big responsibility to protect this huge target called the USA, he is simply being pragmatic by his unwillingness to let any of those powers go. When you go to court to fight against losing that power, that tells me you could care less about votes. And the next administration, red or blue, will do the exact same thing. If Obama wanted parts of the patriot act to go away, he wouldn't defend his right to use them in court. That's all I'm saying.

I assure you, any president - ANY PRESIDENT - with that much responsibility thanks God for those powers.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Funny how a .gov posting that proves once and for all the GOP has driven up 85% of the national debt in the past 30 years gets completely ignored, .

So What ??? I cant quite figure out why you are looking for applause.

Yep you are 100% right - Its absolutely true that the GOP is just as culpable as the Democratic party. The democrats gave us the the new deal, great society, massive deficit spending, federalised health care, and social security. The republicans have responded with me too policies, abandonment of the gold standard, unchecked spending on the military and massive deficit spending. Members of both parties have grown up with their minds warped by a university and eductional systems that teaches Keynesian crap in its buisness and economic curriculum and both parties enjoy the power that comes from spending. And now we are facing consequences of it.

I wouldn't go breaking your arms to pat youself on the back though, as clearly your political sentiments lie with one of those parties which support an oversized and massive state. Only in a minimialist state- one whose leaders recognise that it is individuals who- through their own actions, sweat, heart , and private charity- are the fountainhead of economic progress will you see- can you achieve prosperity.

[hoagiepete]

I can't believe the TSA uproar.

Get more full body scans. Make EVERYONE go through them. Case closed.

Having said that, they could find a way to digitize the view so you can't pick out nice boobs, tiny junk, etc., but come on...it's not being viewed at the gate, in a lounge or on the internet anyway. The viewers have know idea who you are.

If you choose not to go through, you deserve to be groped. If they're groping cooperating passengers, then that's another story.

[Monker]

He's never really been against it. Once he figured out he could use that crap legislation to his advantage, he did what any greedy, self-serving politician would do.

That is a lie. Obama did not use the Patriot Act as a political tool in the way that Bush/Cheney did. I would be that hardly anybody in the country knows that he let it go. Compare that to W who tried to make anybody who was against it (and various other policies) unpatriotic, unAmerican, and should leave the country....as I said W used McCarthism very well. Obama hasn't done anything like that.

[Monker]

By the way...No one has to "catch" you doing anything. You do such a good job at tripping over your own crap piles. At least the other liberals on this forum usually have a FEW facts behind them when they make a statement.

That's a tired old fallback, Dave. Everything I have posted here the past few weeks has been backed by pure, solid, 100% truthful fact. It's an easy way for you to avoid having to confront ugly truths, but it holds no water. Believe me, I could go back to the last page and pick apart every comment you made, disseminate everything, and prove you wrong, but I can't be bothered.

There go again with YOUR old fallback, that everything is "solid, 100% truthful fact". Can you say hello to Mary Poppins for me?

Seems to me that he must have a good point if all you can do is point to fantasy as an argument. Maybe Harry Potter will wave his wand tonight and make you 'right', too.

[Monker]

I assure you, any president - ANY PRESIDENT - with that much responsibility thanks God for those powers.

And, any citizen of this country should be angry as hell that their Constitutional rights were ever limited in the first place.

[Memorex]

He's never really been against it. Once he figured out he could use that crap legislation to his advantage, he did what any greedy, self-serving politician would do.

That is a lie. Obama did not use the Patriot Act as a political tool in the way that Bush/Cheney did. I would be that hardly anybody in the country knows that he let it go. Compare that to W who tried to make anybody who was against it (and various other policies) unpatriotic, unAmerican, and should leave the country....as I said W used McCarthism very well. Obama hasn't done anything like that.

To be fair - tough in this thread - Bush had to sell it and faced a tough liberal crowd all the way through. Obama has simply kept it - and fought for some expansion - but the left has been pretty quiet about it. I'm not aware of anything he is doing less, just more. But it's like Iraq - Where are all the war protesters now? I know there is a vocal crowd against Afghanistan, but very quiet compared to Bush.

What makes me laugh - the people on the left and the right think the other side is so bad. But honestly, they are the same. List all the things you hated about Bush. All of them. And then compare that list to what Obama is doing. Then tell em how different they are. Fighting the courts on Don't Ask Don't Tell, prolonged time in Iraq, prolonged and then prolonged again and then prolonged again time in Afghanistan, more drone attacks, against gay marriage, fighting for more presidential powers, including Patriot Act pieces, fighting any release of documents claiming presidential powers, while we don;t have water-boarding, we still have secret prisons all over holding many people we don't speak of, still torture in Iraqi prisons (by Iraqis) - and don't even get me started on Guantanamo.

Like I said, right or wrong, the president has certain responsibilities beyond our comprehension. They will do what they need to do if only to prevent an attack on their watch.

So then it comes down to health care, stem cell, regulation, etc. That's where the real differences are.

I will say, Obama would not have gone into Iraq. I think that's pretty obvious.

[Memorex]

I assure you, any president - ANY PRESIDENT - with that much responsibility thanks God for those powers.

And, any citizen of this country should be angry as hell that their Constitutional rights were ever limited in the first place.

That is the real argument.

[Memorex]

I assure you, any president - ANY PRESIDENT - with that much responsibility thanks God for those powers.

And, any citizen of this country should be angry as hell that their Constitutional rights were ever limited in the first place.

How can the left be against the Patriot Act, but ok with that level of body scans? And reverse for the right?

[conversationpc]

By the way...No one has to "catch" you doing anything. You do such a good job at tripping over your own crap piles. At least the other liberals on this forum usually have a FEW facts behind them when they make a statement.

That's a tired old fallback, Dave. Everything I have posted here the past few weeks has been backed by pure, solid, 100% truthful fact. It's an easy way for you to avoid having to confront ugly truths, but it holds no water. Believe me, I could go back to the last page and pick apart every comment you made, disseminate everything, and prove you wrong, but I can't be bothered.

There go again with YOUR old fallback, that everything is "solid, 100% truthful fact". Can you say hello to Mary Poppins for me?

Seems to me that he must have a good point if all you can do is point to fantasy as an argument. Maybe Harry Potter will wave his wand tonight and make you 'right', too.

Ah, so it's OK for Seven Braincells to use his fallback of "100% truthful fact" but when I supposedly use one, all of a sudden it's just that he must be right if that's all I can do.

[conversationpc]

He's never really been against it. Once he figured out he could use that crap legislation to his advantage, he did what any greedy, self-serving politician would do.

That is a lie. Obama did not use the Patriot Act as a political tool in the way that Bush/Cheney did. I would be that hardly anybody in the country knows that he let it go. Compare that to W who tried to make anybody who was against it (and various other policies) unpatriotic, unAmerican, and should leave the country....as I said W used McCarthism very well. Obama hasn't done anything like that.

Prove me wrong. all the evidence points there.

[conversationpc]

Meanwhile, LiePaster and RightWingFan quote right wingnut blog posts and you fawn all over everything they claim; I post .gov data and you tell me I'm "always wrong". Well, in the real world - the objective real world the rest of us live in - you would lose that argument every time, Dave.

Show me where I've done that consistently. I rarely ever respond to either of those two guys here in this thread.

[Monker]

He's never really been against it. Once he figured out he could use that crap legislation to his advantage, he did what any greedy, self-serving politician would do.

That is a lie. Obama did not use the Patriot Act as a political tool in the way that Bush/Cheney did. I would be that hardly anybody in the country knows that he let it go. Compare that to W who tried to make anybody who was against it (and various other policies) unpatriotic, unAmerican, and should leave the country....as I said W used McCarthism very well. Obama hasn't done anything like that.

Prove me wrong. all the evidence points there.

Prove yourself right. Obama did NOT campaign for the Patriot Act, or anything else as far as I know, but using McCarthy like scare tactics. YOU have presented absolutely NO evidence that he did. So, quit lying about it.

To equate what W did with Obama not fighting against it is just wrong. They are two different things.

[S2M]

All you need to know about George Bush in 4:22....

Son of a Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvmBRk_Gbv0

[Rick]

TSA pat-down leaves traveler covered in urine
'I was absolutely humiliated,' said bladder cancer survivor
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news/

I consider them an inconvenience also, but I feel safer that they do it. Knives can be made from porcelain, sharp enough to do enough damage to disable or kill anyone.

I got patted down in Norfolk a few weeks ago, and oops, there's my lighter in my jeans pocket. The patter downer guy gave that a real workover, and let it go.

[Seven Wishes2]

Are you fucking blind or what? Stupidity, dyslexia, ADD, what is it man? Get help....here>>>

FF's last 20 posts from right wingnut blogs...and each time I made fun of you while posting them and you still don't get it. You need rest.

ABC NEWS
LA TIMES
TELEGRAPH UK
CSNS NEWS
REAL CLEAR POLITICS VIDEO
CBS NEWS
ABC NEWS
WSJ
MICHELLE MALKIN (I'll give ya that one)
HHS .gov
MSNBC (Scarobourgh)
YOUTUBE
TV NEWSERS
CNN
NATIONAL JOURNAL
ASSOCIATED PRESS
FOX NEWS
DRUDGE REPORT
NATIONAL REVIEW
WSJ

First of all...bullshit. Secondly, ANYTHING you find on Drudge, National Review, WSJ, the National Journal, TV Newsers, YouTube, Malkin, and CSNS can be thrown right out the window.

Additionally, when you copy & paste (without sourcing) an EDITORIAL that doesn't actually cite FACTS to support its premise(s), that, too, can be completely ignored. So that leaves anything you've posted that contains actual TRUTH(S) that cannot be disproved as your only recourse. Which, in your case, amounts to jack squat.

Nice try, LiePaster. Where's your best buddy GoebbelsFan been hiding recently?

Also, what happened to the dogmatic "security at all costs" GOP base? Has it been sabotaged or diluted by loony-house TeaBaggers who share some striking similar philosophies as the dreaded ACLU? It amuses me to the point of absurdity that Republicans have taken up this "cause". If McCain had been "elected" in 2008 just as Bush was "elected" in 2004, and he had supported this legislation, the lot of you would be pantingly, pants=down rubbing it out in full-fledged wingnut support of it. I'm calling you on your bullshit and your double standards.

[conversationpc]

First of all...bullshit. Secondly, ANYTHING you find on Drudge...can be thrown right out the window

Most of the articles on Drudge are simply headlines from articles elsewhere.

[conversationpc]

For those interested, and I think most of us here would probably agree with this article, I just had my first article posted on Examiner.com...

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in ... ermanently

[Seven Wishes2]

Very well-written article, Dave. Sharpton is a publicity whore.

[Rick]

Very well-written article, Dave. Sharpton is a publicity whore.

Agreed. I've got a lot of respect for Dave. He and I don't always see eye to eye on things politically, but he's fair.

[Rick]

Very well-written article, Dave. Sharpton is a publicity whore.

Yet, Had I saw this article and C&P'd it here, it would mean jacksquat?

My head is spinning..

YOU write an article, and we'll comment on it.

[conversationpc]

Thanks guys...It also helps to have something we can mutually be pissed off about.

[Angel]

It would read just like St. John says...you know the drill..work save and shut up, pay your own way, buy your own phones and abortions kinda shit. I don't wanna pay for it. Got my own problems.

SO true! I saw a patient on Friday that had Medicaid listed as her payer, yet I notice in her chart that she had SmartLipo (in office liposuction) three months ago-it's about $5,000 per area of the body and she had three areas done and no insurance pays for it so it was all paid for out of pocket. It makes me FURIOUS! You can afford $15,000 for liposuction but I am paying for your pregnancies?

[conversationpc]

It would read just like St. John says...you know the drill..work save and shut up, pay your own way, buy your own phones and abortions kinda shit. I don't wanna pay for it. Got my own problems.

SO true! I saw a patient on Friday that had Medicaid listed as her payer, yet I notice in her chart that she had SmartLipo (in office liposuction) three months ago-it's about $5,000 per area of the body and she had three areas done and no insurance pays for it so it was all paid for out of pocket. It makes me FURIOUS! You can afford $15,000 for liposuction but I am paying for your pregnancies?

That's something that really irritates me. If someone CAN pay for something themselves without putting them in financial jeopardy, I think they SHOULD BE REQUIRED to do so.

[Angel]

It would read just like St. John says...you know the drill..work save and shut up, pay your own way, buy your own phones and abortions kinda shit. I don't wanna pay for it. Got my own problems.

SO true! I saw a patient on Friday that had Medicaid listed as her payer, yet I notice in her chart that she had SmartLipo (in office liposuction) three months ago-it's about $5,000 per area of the body and she had three areas done and no insurance pays for it so it was all paid for out of pocket. It makes me FURIOUS! You can afford $15,000 for liposuction but I am paying for your pregnancies?

That's something that really irritates me. If someone CAN pay for something themselves without putting them in financial jeopardy, I think they SHOULD BE REQUIRED to do so.

Exactly! The government programs are a joke-they are all or nothing and there is no accountability. So much money could be saved if there were safeguards in place to prevent things like this, or there was some accountibilty to those receiving government assistance.

[Angel]

TSA pat-down leaves traveler covered in urine
'I was absolutely humiliated,' said bladder cancer survivor
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news/

I consider them an inconvenience also, but I feel safer that they do it. Knives can be made from porcelain, sharp enough to do enough damage to disable or kill anyone.

I got patted down in Norfolk a few weeks ago, and oops, there's my lighter in my jeans pocket. The patter downer guy gave that a real workover, and let it go.

I don't really know how I feel about the "pat down" procedure. I understand what you are saying, Rick, that you feel safer, however, if a terrorist had a lighter in their pocket they could use that as a weapon. So, you get patted down but the item they SHOULD be concerned about is let go-so what's the point?

[RedWingFan]

Additionally, when you copy & paste (without sourcing) an EDITORIAL that doesn't actually cite FACTS to support its premise(s), that, too, can be completely ignored.

Nice try, LiePaster. Where's your best buddy GoebbelsFan been hiding recently?

You mean like the many times I've asked you to find 1 of my many thousands of posts that are racist?

Your throwing the race card constantly is an implication of your having no facts! You're as pathetic as Jackson and Sharpton, but at least they get paid for their idiocy.

Can't wait for 2012 when we take the Senate and Presidency. Any more brilliant predictions for 2012 genius?
You did so well with 2010.

[S2M]

Additionally, when you copy & paste (without sourcing) an EDITORIAL that doesn't actually cite FACTS to support its premise(s), that, too, can be completely ignored.

Nice try, LiePaster. Where's your best buddy GoebbelsFan been hiding recently?

You mean like the many times I've asked you to find 1 of my many thousands of posts that are racist?

Your throwing the race card constantly is an implication of your having no facts! You're as pathetic as Jackson and Sharpton, but at least they get paid for their idiocy.

Can't wait for 2012 when we take the Senate and Presidency. Any more brilliant predictions for 2012 genius?
You did so well with 2010.

THIS is my problem with politics....It is akin to the abortion issue. It isn't about a potential life - it is about someone telling me what to do with MY body...


And politics is little to do with actually helping society - it is more concerned with 'Hey! Our side is in power now! YAY!'