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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:33 am

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Seven Wishes wrote:Additionally, when you copy & paste (without sourcing) an EDITORIAL that doesn't actually cite FACTS to support its premise(s), that, too, can be completely ignored.

Nice try, LiePaster. Where's your best buddy GoebbelsFan been hiding recently?

You mean like the many times I've asked you to find 1 of my many thousands of posts that are racist?

Your throwing the race card constantly is an implication of your having no facts! You're as pathetic as Jackson and Sharpton, but at least they get paid for their idiocy.

Can't wait for 2012 when we take the Senate and Presidency. Any more brilliant predictions for 2012 genius?
You did so well with 2010.

THIS is my problem with politics....It is akin to the abortion issue. It isn't about a potential life - it is about someone telling me what to do with MY body... :roll:

And politics is little to do with actually helping society - it is more concerned with 'Hey! Our side is in power now! YAY!' :roll:

Actually it is about life (nothing potential about it) You don't still believe the old lie that "It's just a glob of cells in the womb do you? It's about protecting the most innocent and defensless among us....and it's about private property and individual rights guaranteed in the Constitution.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:03 am

RedWingFan wrote:Can't wait for 2012 when we take the Senate and Presidency. Any more brilliant predictions for 2012 genius?
You did so well with 2010.


Ummm...I predicted the GOP would take the House but the Democrats would hold the Senate. Wow, was I off on that one. :roll:

The Republibaggers are off to a great start already with all the in-fighting and philosophical disagreements. It's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that trickle down does not work, and that the ultra-rich don't invest their money but instead put it in the bank...yet here they are. insisting the rich not have a very modest 3% increase in their tax bracket...something which would save $700 billion. But they're already out there proposing massive INCREASES in defense spending and in numerous other typical GOP sectors.

Even the biggest dimwit will see through this facade. Go ahead and predict the Presidency and both branches in 2012. It's not going to happen.
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:16 am

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RedWingFan wrote:Can't wait for 2012 when we take the Senate and Presidency. Any more brilliant predictions for 2012 genius?
You did so well with 2010.


Ummm...I predicted the GOP would take the House but the Democrats would hold the Senate. Wow, was I off on that one. :roll:

So you meant it would catch up to republicans by being awarded the house? Right, Sharpton!
7 Wishes wrote:Obama made the GOP look like fools at the health care summit. The party of NO has NO ideas, except the rehashing of bullshit talking points endorsing colossal GOP policy and ideaology failures of the past

This will catch up to the Republicans come election time. Mark my words.
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Postby S2M » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:46 am

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S2M wrote:THIS is my problem with politics....It is akin to the abortion issue. It isn't about a potential life - it is about someone telling me what to do with MY body... :roll:

And politics is little to do with actually helping society - it is more concerned with 'Hey! Our side is in power now! YAY!' :roll:

Actually it is about life (nothing potential about it) You don't still believe the old lie that "It's just a glob of cells in the womb do you? It's about protecting the most innocent and defensless among us....and it's about private property and individual rights guaranteed in the Constitution.


Actually, it IS potential. If it is aborted then it never reached it's potential. Anyway, you glossed over the salient point of my argument....Politicians just want to be in power, Dems & Repubs...and they know elections are cyclical...if one gets voted out - wait a few years and their party will be voted back in....since neither side actually does their job and solves problems - the public gives whichever is the current 'other' side a chance...meanwhile, whichever side is currently in is behind the curtain fleecing america and assuring their table has food, pockets are lined, and making sure their kids aren't the ones being sent to war to 'fight for our *freedoms*'.....please.
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:51 am

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S2M wrote:THIS is my problem with politics....It is akin to the abortion issue. It isn't about a potential life - it is about someone telling me what to do with MY body... :roll:

And politics is little to do with actually helping society - it is more concerned with 'Hey! Our side is in power now! YAY!' :roll:

Actually it is about life (nothing potential about it) You don't still believe the old lie that "It's just a glob of cells in the womb do you? It's about protecting the most innocent and defensless among us....and it's about private property and individual rights guaranteed in the Constitution.


Actually, it IS potential. If it is aborted then it never reached it's potential.

What a ridiculously stupid statement!!!! :roll: No point in arguing with a fool. Have a nice day!
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Postby S2M » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:06 am

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S2M wrote:
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S2M wrote:THIS is my problem with politics....It is akin to the abortion issue. It isn't about a potential life - it is about someone telling me what to do with MY body... :roll:

And politics is little to do with actually helping society - it is more concerned with 'Hey! Our side is in power now! YAY!' :roll:

Actually it is about life (nothing potential about it) You don't still believe the old lie that "It's just a glob of cells in the womb do you? It's about protecting the most innocent and defensless among us....and it's about private property and individual rights guaranteed in the Constitution.


Actually, it IS potential. If it is aborted then it never reached it's potential.

What a ridiculously stupid statement!!!! :roll: No point in arguing with a fool. Have a nice day!


Just as I thought...you are like a child who is fascinated by pretty flashing lights. Can't expound on the actual argument, instead you are distracted by a secondary, unimportant matter....
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Postby Monker » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:05 am

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Seven Wishes wrote:Additionally, when you copy & paste (without sourcing) an EDITORIAL that doesn't actually cite FACTS to support its premise(s), that, too, can be completely ignored.

Nice try, LiePaster. Where's your best buddy GoebbelsFan been hiding recently?

You mean like the many times I've asked you to find 1 of my many thousands of posts that are racist?

Your throwing the race card constantly is an implication of your having no facts! You're as pathetic as Jackson and Sharpton, but at least they get paid for their idiocy.

Can't wait for 2012 when we take the Senate and Presidency. Any more brilliant predictions for 2012 genius?
You did so well with 2010.



THIS is my problem with politics....It is akin to the abortion issue. It isn't about a potential life - it is about someone telling me what to do with MY body... :roll:


And politics is little to do with actually helping society - it is more concerned with 'Hey! Our side is in power now! YAY!' :roll:


Actually, it's not even that...It's more, "Your side sucks so we should be in power." It has little to do with what 'your side' can do right...it has to do with how many people you can convince that the other side is evil.
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Postby donnaplease » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:39 am

S2M wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:THIS is my problem with politics....It is akin to the abortion issue. It isn't about a potential life - it is about someone telling me what to do with MY body... :roll:

And politics is little to do with actually helping society - it is more concerned with 'Hey! Our side is in power now! YAY!' :roll:

Actually it is about life (nothing potential about it) You don't still believe the old lie that "It's just a glob of cells in the womb do you? It's about protecting the most innocent and defensless among us....and it's about private property and individual rights guaranteed in the Constitution.


Anyone else wonder why it is illegal to sell a kidney, lung, etc. if people have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies? I mean, we have people who act as surrogate mothers and people who give their organs to loved ones (and in some cases total strangers). Why is it illegal to purchase them?
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Postby donnaplease » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:48 am

Monker wrote:Actually, it's not even that...It's more, "Your side sucks so we should be in power." It has little to do with what 'your side' can do right...it has to do with how many people you can convince that the other side is evil.


I didn't really follow politics too much before the debacle in 2000, but I don't recall it being that way before then. Was it? It seems like the "anybody but Bush" mantra has flipped, and now the republicans are using it against the dems. I wish there could be a ban on all negative campaigning - then we could get an idea of what someone really stands for as opposed to who can knock their opponent around better. I think people are afraid to talk too much about themselves because their words are twisted and shaped and formed into something unflattering. All it leaves us with are talking points, over and over and over... who gives a shit about that!? Case in point - Katie Couric asking Sarah Palin what newspaper she reads. It was obvious she didn't want to answer it, so she hemmed and hawed and wound up looking like an idiot, and boy didn't her opponents jump on it and annihilate her! She should've just given an answer and taken whatever lumps were to come. I would've respected her more for that.

It's such a shame that our society has come down to rising to power by such negative and nasty means. :?
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:53 am

Wow... Didn't it take W like 5 years of pounding by the media to sink this low in the polls? Obama's done it in less than 2. If he keeps up this rate he'll be down into the 20's by 2012.

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Lowest ever: Obama job approval sinks to 39%, as even Democrats' support melts away
November 23, 2010 | 3:22 am

President Obama has passed the Big 4-0 -- going the wrong way.

Turns out voters were not simply satisfied to spank the Democrat and his party in the Nov. 2 midterm elections with historic losses in the House of Representatives.

Obama's job approval rating as calculated by the Zogby Poll has now sunk to 39%, a new low for his 22-month presidency that began with so much hope and excitement and poll numbers up around 70. As recently as Sept. 20, his job approval was 49%.

A whopping 60% now disapprove of his job, up from 51% disapproval Sept. 20.

Obama now trails in hypothetical 2012 matchups against Republicans Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and the next Bush, Jeb.

And, oh, my! Lookee here! Obama has even fallen into a statistical tie with none other than Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor. How embarrassing that is because other polls have shown a majority of Americans believe she is unqualified for the presidency. So it appears many have now decided, on second thought, Obama looks that way too.
Obama began losing the support of independents in the summer of 2009, as he responded to polls showing voter concerns focused on the economy by staging 59 town hall meetings on healthcare. Independents were a crucial part of his coalition win in 2008 but have now dwindled to 39%.

Only 6% of Republicans, not surprisingly, approve of Obama's job performance. But younger voters, also crucial in the ex-state senator's convincing defeat of John McCain, now approve by only 42%.

Nearly 7 in 10 likely voters say the country is on the wrong track, rarely a good sign for incumbents.

But, Zogby notes, perhaps most ominous for the president is that he's now losing support among his own party people. His approval plopped nearly 10% in just one week, from 78% down to 72% in Zogby's latest read.

Obama, John Zogby writes, "is failing to please more than one-fourth of his own party’s voters. This is a perilous position for the President.

"Conventional wisdom calls for him to reach for the center and assume that Democrats will stay with him in 2012. But as we saw in the mid-terms, Democrats can't win without strong turnout from the young and minorities, both of which are demographics that need more motivation than others to vote."

Former governor Romney fares the best against Obama (44-38%), then comes Gingrich (43%-39%), then another former governor, Jeb Bush (40%-38%), who says he is not running. Palin ties (40%-41%). Obama does, however, destroy developer Donald Trump (39%-29%) and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg (32%-13%). (A separate Quinnipiac Poll Monday found Obama in dead heats with either Romney or former Gov. Mike Huckabee.)

-- Andrew Malcolm
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Postby Monker » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:44 pm

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Monker wrote:Actually, it's not even that...It's more, "Your side sucks so we should be in power." It has little to do with what 'your side' can do right...it has to do with how many people you can convince that the other side is evil.


I didn't really follow politics too much before the debacle in 2000, but I don't recall it being that way before then. Was it?


Of course it was. Willie Horton back against Dukakis, and the Swiftboaters in 2004. W even did it to McCain back in 2000. It has become progressively worse over the past 30yrs. Attatching 'evil' to the opposition means ensuring your own base, and generally inflating your side while deflating the others.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:51 pm

Don't forget to clarify it was the REPUBLICANS who did in McCain with lying, blatantly false negative ads - the whole "black baby" Bush campaign-spearheaded operation was the ONLY thing that kept McCain from winning the primary in 2000.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:00 pm

Put this one in your corn cob pipe and smoke it, LiePaster and GoebbelsFan.

Ever since concerns over the deficit took center-stage in Washington earlier this year, several prominent economists have been pushing back, claiming not simply that proposed spending cuts are too deep, or that the rich should be asked to sacrifice more. Rather, they've challenged the entire premise of the debate: that a budget shortfall caused by over-spending and under-taxation stands to put an undue burden on future generations, and that cuts to government programs, including Social Security, can help fix the problem.

To be, these thinkers--call them the deficit contrarians--already tend to take a skeptical view of efforts to cut government spending aimed at helping struggling Americans, as many deficit-cutting plans would likely do. But their credentials and prominence are such that their view deserves a much wider hearing than it's been getting -- especially given its enormous implications for the debate that's currently consuming Washington.

The starting point of the deficit contrarians' argument is that the deficit was caused not by over-spending and under-taxation, as the current debate would have it, but by the collapse in tax revenues that resulted from the 2008 financial crisis and the subsequent economic slump.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101118/ts_yblog_thelookout/not-everyone-agrees-deficit-is-major-problem;_ylt=Aorjx5iLZPdMGnDidIX2CieaXMZ_;_ylu=X3oDMTFlMGkwODFoBHBvcwM1BHNlYwN5bl9wcm9tb3NfYmxvZ19odG1sBHNsawNub3RldmVyeW9uZWE-
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:11 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Put this one in your corn cob pipe and smoke it, LiePaster and GoebbelsFan.


The only thing I want from you is more assinine predictions like this one!!!! Thanks in advance.....genius.

7 Wishes wrote:Anyone who interprets as a negative for the left a lifelong conservative turned two-year "Democrat" in name only losing to a leftist liberal, is grasping for straws.

If anything, it's a flat-out rejection of the GOP and politics as usual. The only reason the Obama Administration backed Specter (which they barely did) was as reciprocity for the vote on healthcare and the upcoming one on healthcare reform.

Did you bother to read the new Rasmussen poll, which reflected the same findings as the recent CNN poll? That by a 45%-40% margin, Americans want Democrats to remain in control of Congress and the House in November?

You're not reading between the lines - you're only hearing what you want to.

And I will say it again - the Tea Party will split the Republican vote this fall
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:14 pm

Monker wrote:
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Monker wrote:Actually, it's not even that...It's more, "Your side sucks so we should be in power." It has little to do with what 'your side' can do right...it has to do with how many people you can convince that the other side is evil.


I didn't really follow politics too much before the debacle in 2000, but I don't recall it being that way before then. Was it?


Of course it was. Willie Horton back against Dukakis,

Yeah, I remember that....that damned Al Gore was the first to bring up Horton in the Democrat primary.
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Postby Rick » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:17 pm

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Monker wrote:
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Monker wrote:Actually, it's not even that...It's more, "Your side sucks so we should be in power." It has little to do with what 'your side' can do right...it has to do with how many people you can convince that the other side is evil.


I didn't really follow politics too much before the debacle in 2000, but I don't recall it being that way before then. Was it?


Of course it was. Willie Horton back against Dukakis,

Yeah, I remember that....that damned Al Gore was the first to bring up Horton in the Democrat primary.


Damn. For a second I thought you two were agreeing. :lol:
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:45 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Put this one in your corn cob pipe and smoke it, LiePaster and GoebbelsFan.

Ever since concerns over the deficit took center-stage in Washington earlier this year, several prominent economists have been pushing back, claiming not simply that proposed spending cuts are too deep, or that the rich should be asked to sacrifice more. Rather, they've challenged the entire premise of the debate: that a budget shortfall caused by over-spending and under-taxation stands to put an undue burden on future generations, and that cuts to government programs, including Social Security, can help fix the problem.

To be, these thinkers--call them the deficit contrarians--already tend to take a skeptical view of efforts to cut government spending aimed at helping struggling Americans, as many deficit-cutting plans would likely do. But their credentials and prominence are such that their view deserves a much wider hearing than it's been getting -- especially given its enormous implications for the debate that's currently consuming Washington.

The starting point of the deficit contrarians' argument is that the deficit was caused not by over-spending and under-taxation, as the current debate would have it, but by the collapse in tax revenues that resulted from the 2008 financial crisis and the subsequent economic slump.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101118/ts_yblog_thelookout/not-everyone-agrees-deficit-is-major-problem;_ylt=Aorjx5iLZPdMGnDidIX2CieaXMZ_;_ylu=X3oDMTFlMGkwODFoBHBvcwM1BHNlYwN5bl9wcm9tb3NfYmxvZ19odG1sBHNsawNub3RldmVyeW9uZWE-


As you so love to point out in the global warming debate...a majority of economists completely disagree with their assesment.

And really, if you want to look at it not just in terms of deficit and such, when the fed buys the debt, it prints money, which means that each dollar is worth less and less as they print more. Which means sooner or later, no one but our own fed will buy our governments debt...at which point we are royally fucked.

Read about Germany post World War I, THAT is where we are heading if we don't get a handle on the debt and stop printing money. And frankly unlike you, I could give a rats ass who is to blame, I am more interested in who the fuck is going to fix this mess and so far it hasn't been Obama, but he may surprise us all.
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Postby slucero » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:21 pm

As of November 22, 2010 the official holdings of US Treasury securities:

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Ben Bernanke - 6/3/09

“Unless we demonstrate a strong commitment to fiscal sustainability in the longer term, we will have neither financial stability nor healthy economic growth,” Bernanke said in testimony to lawmakers today. “Maintaining the confidence of the financial markets requires that we, as a nation, begin planning now for the restoration of fiscal balance.” He said the Fed won’t finance government spending over the long term, while warning that the financial industry remains under stress and the credit crunch continues to limit spending.

“Either cuts in spending or increases in taxes will be necessary to stabilize the fiscal situation,” Bernanke said in response to a question. “The Federal Reserve will not monetize the debt.


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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:32 am

FF, do you have ANY class at all? Seriously, what side are you on? Sure doesn't look like you're on the side of America. Oh wait, he's black, that's right. Fuck him, huh?

You make me seriously sick to read your crap. You go way too far.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:35 am

Rockindeano wrote:FF, do you have ANY class at all? Seriously, what side are you on? Sure doesn't look like you're on the side of America. Oh wait, he's black, that's right. Fuck him, huh?

You make me seriously sick to read your crap. You go way too far.


Come on it's funny...and quit playing the race card, it's beneath a person of your intellect, and it has nothing to do with what he posted about the President requiring stiches.

The BETTER cartoon would have been PELOSI beating him up!
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:41 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:FF, do you have ANY class at all? Seriously, what side are you on? Sure doesn't look like you're on the side of America. Oh wait, he's black, that's right. Fuck him, huh?

You make me seriously sick to read your crap. You go way too far.


Come on it's funny...and quit playing the race card, it's beneath a person of your intellect, and it has nothing to do with what he posted about the President requiring stiches.

The BETTER cartoon would have been PELOSI beating him up!


Funny? Not to me. The guy was playing basketball, got elbowed and has a fat lip. Hilarious Stu. I can't stop laughing.

Oh and to the race card, I am not "playing" anything. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that certain people dislike Obama because he is black. Pretty sad IMO.
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Postby S2M » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:42 am

Rockindeano wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:FF, do you have ANY class at all? Seriously, what side are you on? Sure doesn't look like you're on the side of America. Oh wait, he's black, that's right. Fuck him, huh?

You make me seriously sick to read your crap. You go way too far.


Come on it's funny...and quit playing the race card, it's beneath a person of your intellect, and it has nothing to do with what he posted about the President requiring stiches.

The BETTER cartoon would have been PELOSI beating him up!


Funny? Not to me. The guy was playing basketball, got elbowed and has a fat lip. Hilarious Stu. I can't stop laughing.

Oh and to the race card, I am not "playing" anything. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that certain people dislike Obama because he is black. Pretty sad IMO.


Might be sad...and I agree on it's sadness....but he WAS elected due to skin color.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:49 am

Rockindeano wrote:
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Rockindeano wrote:FF, do you have ANY class at all? Seriously, what side are you on? Sure doesn't look like you're on the side of America. Oh wait, he's black, that's right. Fuck him, huh?

You make me seriously sick to read your crap. You go way too far.


Come on it's funny...and quit playing the race card, it's beneath a person of your intellect, and it has nothing to do with what he posted about the President requiring stiches.

The BETTER cartoon would have been PELOSI beating him up!


Funny? Not to me. The guy was playing basketball, got elbowed and has a fat lip. Hilarious Stu. I can't stop laughing.

Oh and to the race card, I am not "playing" anything. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that certain people dislike Obama because he is black. Pretty sad IMO.


Didn't you laugh when Bush choked on a pretzel??? It could happen to anyone, just like getting elbowed could happen to anyone in a basketball game. BOTH are funny...but one requires stiches, the other could actually kill someone.

And I am calling BULLSHIT on your race card. You have no proof that FF or ANY conservative here is a racist. You are making a false supposition to fit your political views.

Though I am sure that there are people in America who think exactly what you say, I doubt ANYONE here thinks that. I despise his policies, not his skin color.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:16 am

Fact Finder wrote:The better cartoon would have been Obama getting TEABAGGED too hard a couple Tuesdays ago. :lol:


Hilarious. Keep em comin' FF!
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Postby Rick » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:14 am

I'm glad he's staying active like that. Good for him. A few stitches, bah, rub some dirt on it. :lol:
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Postby Monker » Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:01 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:FF, do you have ANY class at all? Seriously, what side are you on? Sure doesn't look like you're on the side of America. Oh wait, he's black, that's right. Fuck him, huh?

You make me seriously sick to read your crap. You go way too far.


Come on it's funny...and quit playing the race card, it's beneath a person of your intellect, and it has nothing to do with what he posted about the President requiring stiches.

The BETTER cartoon would have been PELOSI beating him up!


Funny? Not to me. The guy was playing basketball, got elbowed and has a fat lip. Hilarious Stu. I can't stop laughing.

Oh and to the race card, I am not "playing" anything. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that certain people dislike Obama because he is black. Pretty sad IMO.


Didn't you laugh when Bush choked on a pretzel??? It could happen to anyone, just like getting elbowed could happen to anyone in a basketball game. BOTH are funny...but one requires stiches, the other could actually kill someone.


Neither were 'funny'. Since Rick has Pryor in his avatar, funny is Pryor holding a lit match and saying "What's this? ....it's Richard Pryor running down the street..."

The shit FF posts is just lame.
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Postby Memorex » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:52 am

Fact Finder wrote:WikiLeaks is urging the public to download a mysterious ‘insurance’ file said to contain information to be released if Julian Assange is killed.

In a Twitter post today (pictured below) the whistleblowing service published a link to the Pirate Bay file sharing site with the comment: 'Now is a good time to download some ‘history insurance’.

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The giant file, nearly 2GB in size, is said to contain thousands of secret U.S. documents aimed at embarrassing the nation’s government, and potentially causing harm to the United States’ relations with allies.

The file has been around since this summer and is heavily encrypted.

In the event of Mr Assange’s death (or some other unspecified reason), the secret key would be released — exposing the documents to all who have downloaded and obtained the key.

It is uncertain why WikiLeaks is now urging users to download the file, but it just may be that they’re planning to release the key soon.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z16WYL0zB7


Part of me says "who gives a shit". I think by the time you turn 14, you realize the public face and private face of government are not one in the same for obvious reasons. Anyone above the age of 14 that believes the government is and must be honest about everything is just a fool. The other part of me says one of our fine American sharp shooters ought to put a shot right between this guy's eyes. And I guess a third part of me says fine, release it all. Put the cards on the table and let's play the hand. At the end of the day, it holds very little interest to the average non-conspiracy-theory Joe.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:04 pm

Just about anything pertaining to Iraq and Afghanistan can be attributed to Bush's administration. Most on the left have been critical with the slow pace of Obama's promises with respect to the dismantling of the Bush War Machine.
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Postby Rick » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:16 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Just about anything pertaining to Iraq and Afghanistan can be attributed to Bush's administration. Most on the left have been critical with the slow pace of Obama's promises with respect to the dismantling of the Bush War Machine.


I'm not, he's gotten us pretty much all the way out of Iraq. Was a bullshit war to begin with. Afghanistan, yeah, I get that one, but invading Iraq was only about oil and money.
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Postby Rick » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:39 pm

Anyway, I think this is what we should be concerned with, more than anything, right now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101128/ap_ ... reas_clash

YEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea – The sound of new artillery fire from North Korea just hours after the U.S. and South Korea launched a round of war games in Korean waters sent residents and journalists on a front-line island scrambling for cover Sunday.

None of the rounds landed on Yeonpyeong Island, military officials said, but South Korea's Defense Ministry later warned journalists to leave the island. The incident showed how tense the situation remains along the Koreas' disputed maritime border five days after a North Korean artillery attack decimated parts of the island and killed four South Koreans.

As the rhetoric from North Korea escalated, with new warnings of a "merciless" assault if further provoked, a top Chinese official made a last-minute visit to Seoul to confer with South Korean President Lee Myung-bak. Washington and Seoul have urged China, North Korea's main ally and benefactor, to help defuse the situation amid fears of all-out war. Beijing has called for restraint on all sides.

Lee pressed State Councilor Dai Bingguo, a senior foreign policy adviser, to contribute to peace in a "more objective, responsible" matter, and warned that Seoul would respond "strongly" to any further provocation, his office said in a statement.

Dai forwarded Beijing's condolences and pledged China's help in preventing tensions from worsening, Lee's office said.

Meanwhile, the chairman of North Korea's Supreme People's Assembly, Choe Thae Bok, was due to visit Beijing starting Tuesday, China's official Xinhua News Agency said.

The border between North and South Korea is among the world's most heavily fortified, with the peninsula still technically in a state of war because the 1950-53 war ended with a truce, not a peace treaty.

North Korea also disputes the maritime border drawn by U.N. forces at the close of the war, and considers the waters around Yeonpyeong Island — 50 miles (80 kilometers) from the South Korean port of Incheon but just 7 miles (11 kilometers) from the North Korean mainland — its territory.

The area has seen several bloody skirmishes, including the sinking of a South Korean warship eight months ago, killing 46 sailors. An international team of investigators concluded that a North Korean torpedo sank the ship, but Pyongyang denies any involvement.

Tuesday's attack on the island, which has military bases as well as a civilian population of 1,300 who mostly make their living from fishing, marked a new level of hostility. Two marines and two civilians were killed, and 18 others wounded, when the North rained artillery on Yeonpyeong in one of the worst assaults since the Korean War.

North Korea said Saturday the civilian deaths were "regrettable," but blamed South Korea for staging military drills against Pyongyang's warnings that it would consider such exercises a provocation. Pyongyang accused Seoul of using Yeonpyeong's residents as human shields.

The North Korea military also has mounted conventional, surface-to-air SA-2 missiles on launch pads on a west coast base, aiming them at South Korean fighter jets flying near the western sea border, the Yonhap news agency reported, citing an unidentified South Korean government source.

South Korea's military said it couldn't confirm the deployments. An official at the Joint Chiefs of Staff said the North had already deployed anti-ship missiles on its west coast bases.

A Defense Ministry announcement Sunday said journalists "must" leave Yeonpyeong Island, but a ministry official later said the island was not necessarily off limits. Another ministry official said that a ship would be arranged to evacuate journalists, and that other safety measures would be arranged for remaining islanders, rescue workers and local officials.

Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity, citing agency rules.

About 380 people, including 28 islanders and 190 journalists, remain on the island on Sunday, according to Incheon city government that governs the island.

The previously planned joint war games launched Sunday by the U.S. and South Korea were sure to heighten the tensions.

Ships from both countries entered the exercise zone Sunday, an official with South Korea's joint chiefs of staff said on condition of anonymity, citing office rules.

Washington, which keeps 28,500 troops in South Korea to protect the ally, insists the drills involving the USS George Washington supercarrier are routine and were planned well before last Tuesday's attack. However, North Korea expressed outrage over the Yellow Sea drills.

"We will launch merciless counter-military strikes against any provocative moves that infringe upon our country's territorial waters," the North's main Rodong Sinmun newspaper said in an editorial carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

Sunday's burst of artillery fire in North Korea was the second in three days. Authorities briefly ordered residents to evacuate, before recalling the order.

"We got the report that North Korea's artillery batteries were in the 'ready-to fire' posture," police chief Choi Du-gyu said. "So we decided to order residents to evacuate to keep them safe."

North Korea also staged an apparent artillery drill Friday, the guns sounding just as the U.S. military's top commander in the region, Gen. Walter Sharp, was touring Yeonpyeong Island. No shells landed anywhere in South Korean territory.

Last Tuesday's attack reduced dozens of homes on the island to rubble. All but a handful of residents have evacuated to the mainland.

In Seoul, as monks chanted their morning prayers at Jogye Temple, Shim Jeong-wook, 74, said he didn't think North Korea would attack again, not with a U.S. aircraft carrier group in South Korean waters.

"I don't think North Korea will provoke while the U.S. Navy fleet is in the Yellow Sea," he said. "But who knows what will happen when it leaves?"
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