Digestive system disorders.

[StevePerryHair]

What a fascinating story.

However, if Rick reads this, I believe he'll be scared shitless. Nice going Mike.

LMAO ,this must be that alternative shit parfait was talking about.

Nope. Helminthic therapy = Worms.

Which WOULD be considered ALTERNATIVE... unless you're saying in France that is normal treatment

[Michigan Girl]

What a fascinating story.

However, if Rick reads this, I believe he'll be scared shitless. Nice going Mike.

LMAO ,this must be that alternative shit parfait was talking about.

Nope. Helminthic therapy = Worms.

Which WOULD be considered ALTERNATIVE... unless you're saying in France that is normal treatment

Duhammm ...the sky is blue ...

[StevePerryHair]

What a fascinating story.

However, if Rick reads this, I believe he'll be scared shitless. Nice going Mike.

LMAO ,this must be that alternative shit parfait was talking about.

Nope. Helminthic therapy = Worms.

Which WOULD be considered ALTERNATIVE... unless you're saying in France that is normal treatment

Duhammm ...the sky is blue ...

Not since Phyl left...

Parfait would proably say it's actually gray with a touch of white... since he'd in med school and a scientist and we know nothing

[DrFU]

Duhammm ...the sky is blue ...

Not since Phyl left...

Parfait would proably say it's actually gray with a touch of white... since he'd in med school and a scientist and we know nothing

{channelling our little baguette:} scientifically speaking, the sky is no color at all ... what we mistake for blue is just visible wavelength solor radiation refracting differentially in a way that favors the blue end of spectrum ...

[Michigan Girl]

Michigan Girl made me what I am.

I know this is the right thread, but I prefer not to talk about my shit
on a public forum ...it's a girl thing!!

[Michigan Girl]

Duhammm ...the sky is blue ...

Not since Phyl left...

Parfait would proably say it's actually gray with a touch of white... since he'd in med school and a scientist and we know nothing

{channelling our little baguette:} scientifically speaking, the sky is no color at all ... what we mistake for blue is just visible wavelength solor radiation refracting differentially in a way that favors the blue end of spectrum ...

ha ha ha ...
I knew this ...

[DrFU]

Duhammm ...the sky is blue ...

Not since Phyl left...

Parfait would proably say it's actually gray with a touch of white... since he'd in med school and a scientist and we know nothing

{channelling our little baguette:} scientifically speaking, the sky is no color at all ... what we mistake for blue is just visible wavelength solor radiation refracting differentially in a way that favors the blue end of spectrum ...

ha ha ha ...
I knew this ...

I know ... I'm just bored and pissy ... time to put on my hideous polyester Christmas sweater that strategically emphasizes my muffin top over my stretch pants and crocs and get out of the house ...

[Rick]

Who has them?

I've had Chrons Disease since I was in my 20's. I have one of the best doctors in the bidness and he's kept me pretty healthy. Thank you Dr. Yiantsou.

My older brother was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis about 7 years ago and it's kicked his ever loving ass. And he's a big, healthy corn fed motherfucker, and along with my younger brother, my best friend.

He had to have his colon removed last month, and is recovering nicely. He went back to work today on light duty, which he's been clamoring to do. He's a cop in my home town of McAlester, OK.

I'm fairly sure these digestive system disorders are more behavioral than anything else, as both my older brother and myself are very prone to stress. We worry about everything.

I remember a Saturday Night Live skit where Eddie Murphy showed up as a foreign doctor and his line was "Happiness Is A Healthy Colon!" He couldn't have been more correct.

My post is for inquiry, knowledge and observation, for my purposes, but for all of you, please, heed the following...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-rJ-6hBfSo

Much love.

How's your diet? Do you sleep enough and work out?

I read a few months ago about some promising preliminary helminthic therapy results. Stay away from the alternative shit. They'll just take your money.

The faux med student has spoken. Why don't you just jump off a cliff already, you piece of shit? You are probably going to be the worst excuse of a doctor this planet has ever seen. Your interests are clearly suited to your own vanity, not humanity. Now go impale yourself on the cock of an Elephant!

If you want to pay big money smelling magic crystals or getting washed in a Burmese monk's mixture of yak milk and jizz while listening to low frequency sounds, then that's your prerogative. But keep your shit out of this thread; keep this thread civil, please.

Btw, Rick. Which part of your brother's colon were removed? Did he have any obstructions?

I've done the diet changing and have worked hard all my life. Never exercised because of the type of work I do, but nothing made much of a difference. I've had this thing since I was in my 20's.

My brothers entire colon and rectum were removed.

Y'all crack me up.

Did he get a ileostomy, BCIR or a IPAA? (the two latter being internal pouches). Never seen one of those being done before. Would be cool though.

Yes, an ileostomy is what he has now.

[parfait]

What a fascinating story.

However, if Rick reads this, I believe he'll be scared shitless. Nice going Mike.

LMAO ,this must be that alternative shit parfait was talking about.

Nope. Helminthic therapy = Worms.

Which WOULD be considered ALTERNATIVE... unless you're saying in France that is normal treatment

Helminthics are immunomodulators and have been used for several years in medicine and yielded promising results in other diseases as well. So it is not alternative medicine - which basically means all the shit that have never given any good results. Homeopathy, crystal therapy and acupuncture are alternative medicines.

And Rick, did your brother tell you why his doctor decided on an external pouch?

[StevePerryHair]

What a fascinating story.

However, if Rick reads this, I believe he'll be scared shitless. Nice going Mike.

LMAO ,this must be that alternative shit parfait was talking about.

Nope. Helminthic therapy = Worms.

Which WOULD be considered ALTERNATIVE... unless you're saying in France that is normal treatment

Helminthics are immunomodulators and have been used for several years in medicine and yielded promising results in other diseases as well. So it is not alternative medicine - which basically means all the shit that have never given any good results. Homeopathy, crystal therapy and acupuncture are alternative medicines.

And Rick, did your brother tell you why his doctor decided on an external pouch?

It's alternative to surgery... which has traditionally been the course of action... therefore it is STILL alternative. Alternative means ANOTHER OPTION for the patient.

[StevePerryHair]

Worms Relieve Symptoms of Bowel Disorder - Study
Mon Dec 13, 2004 07:14 PM ET

LONDON (Reuters) - It's not a treatment for the faint-hearted or squeamish but scientists said on Tuesday that worms could be a new treatment for a bowel disease.
In a small study, researchers at the University of Iowa in the United States found that parasitic worms, or helminths, relieved the symptoms of patients suffering from Crohn's disease which causes inflammation, abdominal pain and weight loss.

"This new therapy may offer a unique, safe and efficacious alternative for Crohn's disease management," Dr Robert Summers and his colleagues said in a study published in the journal Gut.

Parasitic worms, such as tapeworms, are not common in people living in developed countries where the rate of Crohn's disease is high. The illness is rare in nations where people carry parasitic worms.

The scientists tested the impact of a species of worm called Trichuris suis, which is commonly found in pigs, on 29 patients with Crohn's disease. The patients swallowed 2,500 live eggs concealed in a drink every three weeks for 24 weeks. By the end of the trial 23 of 29 patients said their symptoms had improved.

Summers and his colleagues said the response rate was 80 percent and the remission rate was 73 percent. Unlike tapeworms which could cause disease, the researchers said the worms they used in the study have a short lifespan which minimizes the risk of colonization.

Once the eggs hatch, the worms gather in the bowel and suppress the body's immune response which lessens the inflammation.

Although more research and larger studies are needed, Summers and his team believe the worms could be used either alone or combined with medication to treat patients with the illness.

[Duncan]

:lol: I think Rick meant this thread to be serious, but as usual, when Deano gets involved, the discussion takes a detour.

I think I may have fucked it up first. My apologies to Rick. Parfait can still suck a high hard one though.

Isn't he the guy in Status Quo?

[parfait]

Worms Relieve Symptoms of Bowel Disorder - Study
Mon Dec 13, 2004 07:14 PM ET

LONDON (Reuters) - It's not a treatment for the faint-hearted or squeamish but scientists said on Tuesday that worms could be a new treatment for a bowel disease.
In a small study, researchers at the University of Iowa in the United States found that parasitic worms, or helminths, relieved the symptoms of patients suffering from Crohn's disease which causes inflammation, abdominal pain and weight loss.

"This new therapy may offer a unique, safe and efficacious alternative for Crohn's disease management," Dr Robert Summers and his colleagues said in a study published in the journal Gut.

Parasitic worms, such as tapeworms, are not common in people living in developed countries where the rate of Crohn's disease is high. The illness is rare in nations where people carry parasitic worms.

The scientists tested the impact of a species of worm called Trichuris suis, which is commonly found in pigs, on 29 patients with Crohn's disease. The patients swallowed 2,500 live eggs concealed in a drink every three weeks for 24 weeks. By the end of the trial 23 of 29 patients said their symptoms had improved.

Summers and his colleagues said the response rate was 80 percent and the remission rate was 73 percent. Unlike tapeworms which could cause disease, the researchers said the worms they used in the study have a short lifespan which minimizes the risk of colonization.

Once the eggs hatch, the worms gather in the bowel and suppress the body's immune response which lessens the inflammation.

Although more research and larger studies are needed, Summers and his team believe the worms could be used either alone or combined with medication to treat patients with the illness.

If you've read my earlier posts, than I clearly stated that I was talking about alternative medicine, I even gave several examples. Jesus Lynn, is this really something to start shit over?

Just make it easy for yourself and acknowledge that I know more about certain subjects. I bet you know a lot more about raising kids and how to remove red wine spots, but when it comes to academics, then you stand no fucking chance. You've been on me like shit on velcro. So just take a chill pill and go make some smoores.

[StevePerryHair]

Worms Relieve Symptoms of Bowel Disorder - Study
Mon Dec 13, 2004 07:14 PM ET

LONDON (Reuters) - It's not a treatment for the faint-hearted or squeamish but scientists said on Tuesday that worms could be a new treatment for a bowel disease.
In a small study, researchers at the University of Iowa in the United States found that parasitic worms, or helminths, relieved the symptoms of patients suffering from Crohn's disease which causes inflammation, abdominal pain and weight loss.

"This new therapy may offer a unique, safe and efficacious alternative for Crohn's disease management," Dr Robert Summers and his colleagues said in a study published in the journal Gut.

Parasitic worms, such as tapeworms, are not common in people living in developed countries where the rate of Crohn's disease is high. The illness is rare in nations where people carry parasitic worms.

The scientists tested the impact of a species of worm called Trichuris suis, which is commonly found in pigs, on 29 patients with Crohn's disease. The patients swallowed 2,500 live eggs concealed in a drink every three weeks for 24 weeks. By the end of the trial 23 of 29 patients said their symptoms had improved.

Summers and his colleagues said the response rate was 80 percent and the remission rate was 73 percent. Unlike tapeworms which could cause disease, the researchers said the worms they used in the study have a short lifespan which minimizes the risk of colonization.

Once the eggs hatch, the worms gather in the bowel and suppress the body's immune response which lessens the inflammation.

Although more research and larger studies are needed, Summers and his team believe the worms could be used either alone or combined with medication to treat patients with the illness.

If you've read my earlier posts, than I clearly stated that I was talking about alternative medicine, I even gave several examples. Jesus Lynn, is this really something to start shit over?

Just make it easy for yourself and acknowledge that I know more about certain subjects. I bet you know a lot more about raising kids and how to remove red wine spots, but when it comes to academics, then you stand no fucking chance. You've been on me like shit on velcro. So just take a chill pill and go make some smoores.

Are you trying to say that a woman can't have a medical education AND raise her children? Seems kind of weird since you say your mom is a doctor. huh. Or were you raised by a nanny? That would explain a lot.

[parfait]

Worms Relieve Symptoms of Bowel Disorder - Study
Mon Dec 13, 2004 07:14 PM ET

LONDON (Reuters) - It's not a treatment for the faint-hearted or squeamish but scientists said on Tuesday that worms could be a new treatment for a bowel disease.
In a small study, researchers at the University of Iowa in the United States found that parasitic worms, or helminths, relieved the symptoms of patients suffering from Crohn's disease which causes inflammation, abdominal pain and weight loss.

"This new therapy may offer a unique, safe and efficacious alternative for Crohn's disease management," Dr Robert Summers and his colleagues said in a study published in the journal Gut.

Parasitic worms, such as tapeworms, are not common in people living in developed countries where the rate of Crohn's disease is high. The illness is rare in nations where people carry parasitic worms.

The scientists tested the impact of a species of worm called Trichuris suis, which is commonly found in pigs, on 29 patients with Crohn's disease. The patients swallowed 2,500 live eggs concealed in a drink every three weeks for 24 weeks. By the end of the trial 23 of 29 patients said their symptoms had improved.

Summers and his colleagues said the response rate was 80 percent and the remission rate was 73 percent. Unlike tapeworms which could cause disease, the researchers said the worms they used in the study have a short lifespan which minimizes the risk of colonization.

Once the eggs hatch, the worms gather in the bowel and suppress the body's immune response which lessens the inflammation.

Although more research and larger studies are needed, Summers and his team believe the worms could be used either alone or combined with medication to treat patients with the illness.

If you've read my earlier posts, than I clearly stated that I was talking about alternative medicine, I even gave several examples. Jesus Lynn, is this really something to start shit over?

Just make it easy for yourself and acknowledge that I know more about certain subjects. I bet you know a lot more about raising kids and how to remove red wine spots, but when it comes to academics, then you stand no fucking chance. You've been on me like shit on velcro. So just take a chill pill and go make some smoores.

Are you trying to say that a woman can't have a medical education AND raise her children? Seems kind of weird since you say your mom is a doctor. huh. Or were you raised by a nanny? That would explain a lot.

If you want in on a competitive field, then no, you won't have time to raise your own kids as a stay at home mom would. Medicine isn't a job - it's a lifestyle. If you want in on, let's say cardio thoraxic surgery, then that has to come first; you simply won't have time to go on vacation, raise a family or whatever. Not gonna happen.

[Rockindeano]

Look at parfait just hoping to get a piece of somebody, particularly Lynn. This is awesome.

"get rid of red wine spots?"

"Make some smoores?"

Oh this is getting good, except, parfait, dog, it's smores, not smoores.

Are you not going to fire back, Lynn? Blast a scud his way. Escalate this motherfucker!

[Rockindeano]

Parfait, you know I always defend you here, however, be careful throwing around the "education" benchmark. There are many here with graduate degrees as well as post graduate degrees. This place has some very smart people here, excluding those from the South(not Florida, the rest of the South ).

[verslibre]

If you've read my earlier posts, than I clearly stated that I was talking about alternative medicine, I even gave several examples. Jesus Lynn, is this really something to start shit over?

Just make it easy for yourself and acknowledge that I know more about certain subjects. I bet you know a lot more about raising kids and how to remove red wine spots, but when it comes to academics, then you stand no fucking chance. You've been on me like shit on velcro. So just take a chill pill and go make some smoores.

Ah, sir, you misspelled the word smores.

S'more — with an apostrophe — would also have been acceptable.

Were you thinking of the word smoor, which means to suffocate or smother, and is sometimes spelled like smore?

Also, shit does not stick to velcro and is easily rinsed off. Better phrases to use would be "like white on rice," "like flies on shit," "like adolescent boys on porn," etc.

[Rockindeano]

If you've read my earlier posts, than I clearly stated that I was talking about alternative medicine, I even gave several examples. Jesus Lynn, is this really something to start shit over?

Just make it easy for yourself and acknowledge that I know more about certain subjects. I bet you know a lot more about raising kids and how to remove red wine spots, but when it comes to academics, then you stand no fucking chance. You've been on me like shit on velcro. So just take a chill pill and go make some smoores.

Ah, sir, you misspelled the word smores.

S'more — with an apostrophe — would also have been acceptable.

Were you thinking of the word smoor, which means to suffocate or smother, and is sometimes spelled like smore?

Also, shit does not stick to velcro and is easily rinsed off. Better phrases to use would be "like white on rice," "like flies on shit," "like adolescent boys on porn," etc.

LOL at verslibre piling on and getting over on parfait with some good old fashioned spelling/grammar smack. Parfait is definitely taking some today, from all sides.

[portland]

Ugh...this is too much like being at work for me.

Rick good to hear your brother is doing well...he must have come to the point where he (did not want to or could not) deal with his
symptoms anymore...it can be really hard for people who have flares...they just get to the point where they want to feel good again.

[StevePerryHair]

Look at parfait just hoping to get a piece of somebody, particularly Lynn. This is awesome.

"get rid of red wine spots?"

"Make some smoores?"

Oh this is getting good, except, parfait, dog, it's smores, not smoores.

Are you not going to fire back, Lynn? Blast a scud his way. Escalate this motherfucker!

You mean like telling him to go fuck himself? It's been done!! But nothing he says really insults me. I know that raising my kids is a more important job to me than anything I did in my 14 years as a medical technologist. I continue my education, and keep my license current, and may even re-enter the field someday. But I know I am where I need to be right now. I won't explain myself to anyone.

As far as medicine being a "lifestyle" I call bullshit. That sounds like something told to a sobbing kid when he's left with the nanny for the millionth time. My husband is a cop. There are MANY cops who make it a lifestyle. MANY who let it come first, before their families. Being a cop is their identity. My husband isn't one of them. He has told that to the dismay of his supervisor's faces, and it may even prevent him from going further beyond the sergeant level he is currently holding. And he is content with that, because he knows how important it is to be there for our kids. It's really all in what you are willing to give up in life for your children. The way I see it, we had children, it was our choice, not theirs for them to enter this world. I'm not going to look at them as secondary to ANYTHING in my life. Most people wouldn't. Even the women who choose or need to have careers. I don't think I know one woman who would say that her job comes before her kids, and "sorry sweeties, it's a lifestyle" . That's just sad.

And he should know I don't drink red wine. I drink beer, which makes me a low classed american, remember?? And I'd rather make smores with my kids and teach them how to have fun in life, than to have them turn out to be selfish, arrogant, ego-maniacs like Prickfait

[verslibre]

If you've read my earlier posts, than I clearly stated that I was talking about alternative medicine, I even gave several examples. Jesus Lynn, is this really something to start shit over?

Just make it easy for yourself and acknowledge that I know more about certain subjects. I bet you know a lot more about raising kids and how to remove red wine spots, but when it comes to academics, then you stand no fucking chance. You've been on me like shit on velcro. So just take a chill pill and go make some smoores.

Ah, sir, you misspelled the word smores.

S'more — with an apostrophe — would also have been acceptable.

Were you thinking of the word smoor, which means to suffocate or smother, and is sometimes spelled like smore?

Also, shit does not stick to velcro and is easily rinsed off. Better phrases to use would be "like white on rice," "like flies on shit," "like adolescent boys on porn," etc.

LOL at verslibre piling on and getting over on parfait with some good old fashioned spelling/grammar smack. Parfait is definitely taking some today, from all sides.

Haha, I'm just waiting to see if he plays the "typo" card"!

[StevePerryHair]

Also, shit does not stick to velcro and is easily rinsed off. Better phrases to use would be "like white on rice," "like flies on shit," "like adolescent boys on porn," etc.

I thought maybe in France they have special velcro or something, they invented as a necessity for all the arrogant shit they spew

[parfait]

Look at parfait just hoping to get a piece of somebody, particularly Lynn. This is awesome.

"get rid of red wine spots?"

"Make some smoores?"

Oh this is getting good, except, parfait, dog, it's smores, not smoores.

Are you not going to fire back, Lynn? Blast a scud his way. Escalate this motherfucker!

You mean like telling him to go fuck himself? It's been done!! But nothing he says really insults me. I know that raising my kids is a more important job to me than anything I did in my 14 years as a medical technologist. I continue my education, and keep my license current, and may even re-enter the field someday. But I know I am where I need to be right now. I won't explain myself to anyone.

As far as medicine being a "lifestyle" I call bullshit. That sounds like something told to a sobbing kid when he's left with the nanny for the millionth time. My husband is a cop. There are MANY cops who make it a lifestyle. MANY who let it come first, before their families. Being a cop is their identity. My husband isn't one of them. He has told that to the dismay of his supervisor's faces, and it may even prevent him from going further beyond the sergeant level he is currently holding. And he is content with that, because he knows how important it is to be there for our kids. It's really all in what you are willing to give up in life for your children. The way I see it, we had children, it was our choice, not theirs for them to enter this world. I'm not going to look at them as secondary to ANYTHING in my life. Most people wouldn't. Even the women who choose or need to have careers. I don't think I know one woman who would say that her job comes before her kids, and "sorry sweeties, it's a lifestyle" . That's just sad.

And he should know I don't drink red wine. I drink beer, which makes me a low classed american, remember?? And I'd rather make smores with my kids and teach them how to have fun in life, than to have them turn out to be selfish, arrogant, ego-maniacs like Prickfait

There's nothing out there that could compare to being in a competitive medical field. You'll regularly do 80 hour weeks and is constantly on call. Not only that, but you'll be under extreme amounts of stress from the ridiculous amount of responsibility you have. Ask any surgeon (excluding cosmetic), and he/she will tell you exactly the same. I've been sitting in the library 12-16 hours a day for the last month, and before that, had school from eight to four, went straight to the gym, then library, came home at ten, and went to bed at twelve. Whether you think it is bullshit, is irrelevant, Lynn.

Of course there's other tough jobs out there, and studies (it's the sheer load, not really the difficulty of it in med school) and you can have a family and live a relaxing life as a dermatologist or radiologist; but if you want in on the hardcore disciplines, then you have to make sacrifices.

[Rockindeano]

There's nothing out there that could compare to being in a competitive medical field. You'll regularly do 80 hour weeks and is constantly on call. Not only that, but you'll be under extreme amounts of stress from the ridiculous amount of responsibility you have.

Oh I can think of at least one job I have had in my lifetime that far exceeds the demands and responsibilities you have just mentioned.


United States soldier.

[StevePerryHair]

Look at parfait just hoping to get a piece of somebody, particularly Lynn. This is awesome.

"get rid of red wine spots?"

"Make some smoores?"

Oh this is getting good, except, parfait, dog, it's smores, not smoores.

Are you not going to fire back, Lynn? Blast a scud his way. Escalate this motherfucker!

You mean like telling him to go fuck himself? It's been done!! But nothing he says really insults me. I know that raising my kids is a more important job to me than anything I did in my 14 years as a medical technologist. I continue my education, and keep my license current, and may even re-enter the field someday. But I know I am where I need to be right now. I won't explain myself to anyone.

As far as medicine being a "lifestyle" I call bullshit. That sounds like something told to a sobbing kid when he's left with the nanny for the millionth time. My husband is a cop. There are MANY cops who make it a lifestyle. MANY who let it come first, before their families. Being a cop is their identity. My husband isn't one of them. He has told that to the dismay of his supervisor's faces, and it may even prevent him from going further beyond the sergeant level he is currently holding. And he is content with that, because he knows how important it is to be there for our kids. It's really all in what you are willing to give up in life for your children. The way I see it, we had children, it was our choice, not theirs for them to enter this world. I'm not going to look at them as secondary to ANYTHING in my life. Most people wouldn't. Even the women who choose or need to have careers. I don't think I know one woman who would say that her job comes before her kids, and "sorry sweeties, it's a lifestyle" . That's just sad.

And he should know I don't drink red wine. I drink beer, which makes me a low classed american, remember?? And I'd rather make smores with my kids and teach them how to have fun in life, than to have them turn out to be selfish, arrogant, ego-maniacs like Prickfait

There's nothing out there that could compare to being in a competitive medical field. You'll regularly do 80 hour weeks and is constantly on call. Not only that, but you'll be under extreme amounts of stress from the ridiculous amount of responsibility you have. Ask any surgeon (excluding cosmetic), and he/she will tell you exactly the same. I've been sitting in the library 12-16 hours a day for the last month, and before that, had school from eight to four, went straight to the gym, then library, came home at ten, and went to bed at twelve. Whether you think it is bullshit, is irrelevant, Lynn.

Of course there's other tough jobs out there, and studies (it's the sheer load, not really the difficulty of it in med school) and you can have a family and live a relaxing life as a dermatologist or radiologist; but if you want in on the hardcore disciplines, then you have to make sacrifices.

I'm thinking the best sacrifice would be to never be a parent. Kid's deserve better than that. They need more than money and material things. And you AREN'T any of these kinds of doctor's you are describing YET. Your education isn't even equal to mine yet. So you can quit it with the "I know everything medicine" attitude and admit you are in the learning stages, and you are just facinated by it. You don't know everything or even a fraction of it yet.

[StevePerryHair]

There's nothing out there that could compare to being in a competitive medical field. You'll regularly do 80 hour weeks and is constantly on call. Not only that, but you'll be under extreme amounts of stress from the ridiculous amount of responsibility you have.

Oh I can think of at least one job I have had in my lifetime that far exceeds the demands and responsibilities you have just mentioned.


United States soldier.

Yes, they give up a lot. And I don't think anyone appreciates family as much either, since they are forced to be away from theirs for so long. Most military I know don't take their families for granted and can't wait to get back into their arms after their tours. It's a lifestyle, but it does not take the place over family to them.

That's what parfait doesn't get with his brainwashing as a child I guess. People make choices. My husband was a traffic sergeant for 2 years, a few years ago. He got pulled into the Lieutenants office, told that he wasn't fulfilling his duties the way they expected. They said he should be working more mid shifts, some night shifts, and coming in for special details instead of just delegating it to his officers. My husband told his Lt. that he coaches soccer, and he is involved with some things with the kids that make that impossible for now. And my husband told him that he believes in delegation as a supervisor. The Lt. then told him the story of how he used to love coaching his son's football team. But he got promoted and he had to let that go. He doesn't have time for that kind of involvement with his son now, and the job comes first. My husband looked at him and said "well my job will never come first over my kids".

He was pulled out of traffic a week later, and put back on the road as a dayshift patrol sergeant. It's NOT a demotion, it's lateral, but he did enjoy his traffic work. So he DID feel bad that they took that course of action, but in the end, was proud of his decision for his family to come first. He has attended so many class parties, graduations, school events, music events.. so many things for our kids. Other officers kids are involved in the same activities, and it was rare to see them at the same events. They are thinking about their future advancements and they wouldn't dream of taking off or leaving work for anything. It may hurt him someday, but you know he LOVES his job. He is DEDICATED to his job. But he's dedicated to being there for his kids too.

There is a balance in life and I think MOST people do the best they can. I doubt too many would say their work is a "lifestyle" and their kids come last.

[parfait]

Look at parfait just hoping to get a piece of somebody, particularly Lynn. This is awesome.

"get rid of red wine spots?"

"Make some smoores?"

Oh this is getting good, except, parfait, dog, it's smores, not smoores.

Are you not going to fire back, Lynn? Blast a scud his way. Escalate this motherfucker!

You mean like telling him to go fuck himself? It's been done!! But nothing he says really insults me. I know that raising my kids is a more important job to me than anything I did in my 14 years as a medical technologist. I continue my education, and keep my license current, and may even re-enter the field someday. But I know I am where I need to be right now. I won't explain myself to anyone.

As far as medicine being a "lifestyle" I call bullshit. That sounds like something told to a sobbing kid when he's left with the nanny for the millionth time. My husband is a cop. There are MANY cops who make it a lifestyle. MANY who let it come first, before their families. Being a cop is their identity. My husband isn't one of them. He has told that to the dismay of his supervisor's faces, and it may even prevent him from going further beyond the sergeant level he is currently holding. And he is content with that, because he knows how important it is to be there for our kids. It's really all in what you are willing to give up in life for your children. The way I see it, we had children, it was our choice, not theirs for them to enter this world. I'm not going to look at them as secondary to ANYTHING in my life. Most people wouldn't. Even the women who choose or need to have careers. I don't think I know one woman who would say that her job comes before her kids, and "sorry sweeties, it's a lifestyle" . That's just sad.

And he should know I don't drink red wine. I drink beer, which makes me a low classed american, remember?? And I'd rather make smores with my kids and teach them how to have fun in life, than to have them turn out to be selfish, arrogant, ego-maniacs like Prickfait

There's nothing out there that could compare to being in a competitive medical field. You'll regularly do 80 hour weeks and is constantly on call. Not only that, but you'll be under extreme amounts of stress from the ridiculous amount of responsibility you have. Ask any surgeon (excluding cosmetic), and he/she will tell you exactly the same. I've been sitting in the library 12-16 hours a day for the last month, and before that, had school from eight to four, went straight to the gym, then library, came home at ten, and went to bed at twelve. Whether you think it is bullshit, is irrelevant, Lynn.

Of course there's other tough jobs out there, and studies (it's the sheer load, not really the difficulty of it in med school) and you can have a family and live a relaxing life as a dermatologist or radiologist; but if you want in on the hardcore disciplines, then you have to make sacrifices.

I'm thinking the best sacrifice would be to never be a parent. Kid's deserve better than that. They need more than money and material things. And you AREN'T any of these kinds of doctor's you are describing YET. Your education isn't even equal to mine yet. So you can quit it with the "I know everything medicine" attitude and admit you are in the learning stages, and you are just facinated by it. You don't know everything or even a fraction of it yet.

No one said it would be about money or material things. That's ridiculous. And Mrs. Obvious: Yes, I'm interested in medicine and have quite a few years to go - what's your point? I fail to see however that your education counted for much, when you're not even able to know the scientific meaning of the word theory. All you've been able to post against my arguments have been anecdotal and simple ad ignorantiams. Don't get the point of your cute little essay, but if you're trying to point out that my parents were bad ones, then fuck you - that's simply not right.

Deano: That's one of them, yeah.

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No one said it would be about money or material things. That's ridiculous. And Mrs. Obvious: Yes, I'm interested in medicine and have quite a few years to go - what's your point? I fail to see however that your education counted for much, when you're not even able to know the scientific meaning of the word theory. All you've been able to post against my arguments have been anecdotal and simple ad ignorantiams.

Deano: That's one of them, yeah.

So you believe every single theory presented to you? If a scientist says it, then it makes it a fact? You just need to see a few studies and it's gospel? I'm just more open minded than that. Nothing in science is cut and dry. THere is always room for doubt and room for more studies and research. There is SO MUCH that science cannot explain. I LOVE science. It's what drew me into the field. Biology especially. To the point where i get frustrated that my kids all hate it. I AM facinated by it too. But I am smart enough to know that there is a whole lot of gray in that world when it comes to many things.

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No one said it would be about money or material things. That's ridiculous. And Mrs. Obvious: Yes, I'm interested in medicine and have quite a few years to go - what's your point? I fail to see however that your education counted for much, when you're not even able to know the scientific meaning of the word theory. All you've been able to post against my arguments have been anecdotal and simple ad ignorantiams. Don't get the point of your cute little essay, but if you're trying to point out that my parents were bad ones, then fuck you - that's simply not right.

Deano: That's one of them, yeah.

No, that wasn't my point. Do you feel they were? YOU were belittling me and my education and making it seem like I am doing something much lesser in life as a mom. I have been part of both worlds, enjoyed both worlds, but nothing beats being a parent. You seem to think that everyone in the medical field has to make sacrifices and give up time with their kids and family, to have a career be their "lifestyle" and I am calling bullshit on THAT Everything we do in life is a choice. Your parents chose what worked best for their family. Maybe it's not fair to blame how you turned out on them. I know many parents aren't to be blamed for their kid's inadequacies.