OFFICIAL 2010-2011 NFL season & predictions thread:

[YoungJRNY]

I'm not sure what the argument is here because I didn't watch the game, but if you guys are talking about a punt then S2M is correct. This is from he official NFL website (http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/penaltysummaries):


"Kicking team player voluntarily out of bounds during a punt."

I can tell you in my 30+ years of watching NFL football, I have NEVER EVER EVER EVER once seen a single penalty called for a guy running out of bounds, unless he was the first player to touch the ball when coming back in bounds. I'm not questioning the rule book, but I can tell you that it's probably never once been called in the history of the NFL.

I saw it a few weeks ago. I can't think of the game but the guy ran waaaay out of bounds (on his own) and got called for it, and it nullified a long punt return. I just remember thinking to myself, "Why the fuck did he do that?!?!" I'll try to google it and find out ... while you're apologizing to S2M.

You're correct. I believe it MAY have been during a Steelers game. I remember one being called but can't exactly recall 100%. May have been against Pittsburgh for a player "running out of bounds."

[Enigma869]

I'll try to google it and find out ... while you're apologizing to S2M.

I can't apologize to him. He's too obnoxious of a Patriots fan for even me!

[S2M]

I'll try to google it and find out ... while you're apologizing to S2M.

I can't apologize to him. He's too obnoxious of a Patriots fan for even me!

Well...there goes ever going to Gillette and watching a game together....

[StevePerryHair]

I'll try to google it and find out ... while you're apologizing to S2M.

I can't apologize to him. He's too obnoxious of a Patriots fan for even me!

Well...there goes ever going to Gillette and watching a game together....

He'd be too afraid you'd paint your face or something

[S2M]

I'll try to google it and find out ... while you're apologizing to S2M.

I can't apologize to him. He's too obnoxious of a Patriots fan for even me!

Well...there goes ever going to Gillette and watching a game together....

He'd be too afraid you'd paint your face or something

Nope....not one of those. But I do swear at the TV....alot of WTFs, and alot of Mother Fuckers.....

Here's Lynnie, marching in to the MR Football thread and o-PINE-ing.....

[StevePerryHair]

I'll try to google it and find out ... while you're apologizing to S2M.

I can't apologize to him. He's too obnoxious of a Patriots fan for even me!

Well...there goes ever going to Gillette and watching a game together....

He'd be too afraid you'd paint your face or something

Nope....not one of those. But I do swear at the TV....alot of WTFs, and alot of Mother Fuckers.....

Here's Lynnie, marching in to the MR Football thread and o-PINE-ing.....

It's just the only thread with any convo

[YoungJRNY]

I'll try to google it and find out ... while you're apologizing to S2M.

I can't apologize to him. He's too obnoxious of a Patriots fan for even me!

Well...there goes ever going to Gillette and watching a game together....

He'd be too afraid you'd paint your face or something

Nope....not one of those. But I do swear at the TV....alot of WTFs, and alot of Mother Fuckers.....

Man, I'm a nutbag. I can't repeat the things I do on here, haha. Ridiculous. A nut since 7 years old.

[S2M]

I will say that, contrary to popular belief, 95% of my rantings at home are due to wack-ass play-calling - NOT officiating. True story.

And Trav, I can absolutely see you watching the Stealers - shitting your pants.....are you one of these self-proclaimed assistant coaches that put on your Xbox live headset, carry a clipboard with each team's rosters, and a makeshift playbook....and call out plays and pretend you are on the Steelers payroll?

I can totally picture that....

[YoungJRNY]

I will say that, contrary to popular belief, 95% of my rantings at home are due to wack-ass play-calling - NOT officiating. True story.

And Trav, I can absolutely see you watching the Stealers - shitting your pants.....are you one of these self-proclaimed assistant coaches that put on your Xbox live headset, carry a clipboard with each team's rosters, and a makeshift playbook....and call out plays and pretend you are on the Steelers payroll?

I can totally picture that....

Lmao, nah, but I know what you mean & it's so unbelievably annoying. I pretty much watch certain things and will call out stuff if I see a blitz or a formation or something like that and yell at dropped balls and go mad-wild during a score or big play, sack or turnover and I'll understand what a teams doing and adjust, but I remember watching a game with one of my ex-coach's and it was the worst experiences of my life. He contemplated every last little detail and informed every other play on what he would do in this situation. Horrible.

[S2M]

In an ESPN article about Zach Thomas saying that those 4 men were lined up on purpose to stop Miami's 'Gunner':

"The executive said the Jets have shown a penchant in recent weeks for using sideline personnel as a deterrent to gunners -- players sprinting the sideline in an attempt to get to the returner quickly -- adding that the Jets' sideline is conspicuously clear when their team is doing the punting.

One punt before the Carroll trip, Alosi and four others were lined up in a similar fashion. On that play, Dolphins gunner Reshad Jones came barreling into the sideline area. Because he didn't return immediately to the field, he was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. Even though they benefited from the penalty, the Jets responded as if their turf had been invaded."

Where is my damn apology?

[Rockindeano]

Ravens pulled a fucking horseshoe out of their ass tonight.....didn't deserve this win. Kudos to the coin toss.

Wait. WTF are you babbling about?

How did Baltimore NOT deserve the win? Didn't they score more points than Houston? I thought that was the object of the game, to score more points? I need to go relearn the sport I guess.

And the coin toss? How did it come into play? They WON the fucking game on a defensive play. As bad as the NFL overtime rule is, the coin toss had NOTHING to do with it. Are you saying that if the Texans started out of Baltimore's 25 yd line(like in CFB), Baltimore wouldn't have ran the pick in? Dude, he could have ran that fucker in from 5, 35, 65, 95 or 205 yds. There was nothing but green grass in front of him. Schaub, who played very well, fucked up.

Game Over. You make yet another bewildering "argument" that makes absolutely NO fucking sense. What the fuck is the matter with you?

[Rockindeano]

Oh and also for those of you who were bashing Flacco(I was one too), the guy is playing phenominal. If JF can play this good in the playoffs, they could go somewhere...ironically, it's their defense that is looking like they need to be retooled. they were dragging ass in the 2nd half against HOU.

[YoungJRNY]

Ravens pulled a fucking horseshoe out of their ass tonight.....didn't deserve this win. Kudos to the coin toss.

Wait. WTF are you babbling about?

How did Baltimore NOT deserve the win? Didn't they score more points than Houston? I thought that was the object of the game, to score more points? I need to go relearn the sport I guess.

And the coin toss? How did it come into play? They WON the fucking game on a defensive play. As bad as the NFL overtime rule is, the coin toss had NOTHING to do with it. Are you saying that if the Texans started out of Baltimore's 25 yd line(like in CFB), Baltimore wouldn't have ran the pick in? Dude, he could have ran that fucker in from 5, 35, 65, 95 or 205 yds. There was nothing but green grass in front of him. Schaub, who played very well, fucked up.

Game Over. You make yet another bewildering "argument" that makes absolutely NO fucking sense. What the fuck is the matter with you?

IMHO, Baltimore is TOAST. Their defense is a major problem going down the stretch. They don't know how to finish off teams and they have givin up tons of 4th QRT comebacks over the coarse of the year. Even though the Texans proved to be the Texans and threw the pick 6, I actually agree with S2M that the coin toss did indeed save their season. Did you not watch that game tying drive? Baltimore players were running around, or atleast attempting to, with their tongue's hanging out of their mouth. There was one instance where Shaub out ran one of their D ends for a first down and you were just waiting for his legs to give out from underneath him. If the Texans would have won the OT coin toss, then there's no doubt in my mind they would have won that game right then and there, the defense was simply BEAT in all phase's. Winning the toss gave the Balt defense time to get their wind back and then extra time to game plan. Bad field position for the Texans and a pick 6 later, GAME.

As for Flacco, please, it's all smoke and mirrors. The Texans are going to set an NFL record this season for most yards givin up through the air so it's not impressive to see Flacco torch that secondary. That wasn't the case. The case for this Baltimore team is they gave up a 28-13 point lead in the 4th QRT, and then FAILED on yet ANOTHER 3rd and 2 down and distance to put the game away. That is a major concern, since it's been two straight weeks. Baltimore is showing signs of a one and done team right now. If there's ANY team that's a sleeper I'm weary of, it's the Jacksonville Jaguars at this point.

[Ehwmatt]

Ravens pulled a fucking horseshoe out of their ass tonight.....didn't deserve this win. Kudos to the coin toss.

Wait. WTF are you babbling about?

How did Baltimore NOT deserve the win? Didn't they score more points than Houston? I thought that was the object of the game, to score more points? I need to go relearn the sport I guess.

And the coin toss? How did it come into play? They WON the fucking game on a defensive play. As bad as the NFL overtime rule is, the coin toss had NOTHING to do with it. Are you saying that if the Texans started out of Baltimore's 25 yd line(like in CFB), Baltimore wouldn't have ran the pick in? Dude, he could have ran that fucker in from 5, 35, 65, 95 or 205 yds. There was nothing but green grass in front of him. Schaub, who played very well, fucked up.

Game Over. You make yet another bewildering "argument" that makes absolutely NO fucking sense. What the fuck is the matter with you?

IMHO, Baltimore is TOAST. Their defense is a major problem going down the stretch. They don't know how to finish off teams and they have givin up tons of 4th QRT comebacks over the coarse of the year. Even though the Texans proved to be the Texans and threw the pick 6, I actually agree with S2M that the coin toss did indeed save their season. Did you not watch that game tying drive? Baltimore players were running around, or atleast attempting to, with their tongue's hanging out of their mouth. There was one instance where Shaub out ran one of their D ends for a first down and you were just waiting for his legs to give out from underneath him. If the Texans would have won the OT coin toss, then there's no doubt in my mind they would have won that game right then and there, the defense was simply BEAT in all phase's. Winning the toss gave the Balt defense time to get their wind back and then extra time to game plan. Bad field position for the Texans and a pick 6 later, GAME.

As for Flacco, please, it's all smoke and mirrors. The Texans are going to set an NFL record this season for most yards givin up through the air so it's not impressive to see Flacco torch that secondary. That wasn't the case. The case for this Baltimore team is they gave up a 28-13 point lead in the 4th QRT, and then FAILED on yet ANOTHER 3rd and 2 down and distance to put the game away. That is a major concern, since it's been two straight weeks. Baltimore is showing signs of a one and done team right now. If there's ANY team that's a sleeper I'm weary of, it's the Jacksonville Jaguars at this point.

The Jaguars have a serious running game, and come playoff time, that simply cannot be overlooked. I agree, they are most likely to play spoiler this year.

Dean, what are you basing all the Flacco love on? The guy has underperformed vs just about every decent team this year!

[Seven Wishes2]

The Jags have to beat the Colts in Indy first, which is HIGHLY unlikely.

[YoungJRNY]

The Jags have to beat the Colts in Indy first, which is HIGHLY unlikely.

I think the Jags will gash the Colts to death on the ground as well as with T.O.P. Historically, even though Manning got the Jags' number, they have a very hard time with them yearly. Division matchups are a whole different beast and with the Colts still banged up, the Jags can take advantage with their physical play and play down hill both in the running game and coming after Manning. I was watching ESPN this morning and they had a mind blowing stat. Joseph Addai, who hasn't played a game since Week 6, is STILL the Colts leading rusher so it doesn't get as much one dimensional as a team than the Colts. I think Jax sweeps them.

[Rockindeano]

A couple points here:

1) Travis. Goddammit dude, it's "course" NOT "coarse." This pickles my ass.

2) The coin toss did NOT influence that fucking game.
A) Harbaugh could have called a timeout or three to rest his defense who obviously was tired. He elected not to.
B) As for that pick 6, it would not have mattered where Schaub threw that ballo from, it was going to be a defensive TD.
C) Play calling by Baltimore. I don't know who in fact calls the plays, harbaugh or the OC, but that is two games in a row where the ravens elected to throw it late. Had they ran it against Pittsburgh, and punted it deep,it was doubtful the Steelers anemic offense was going to go 80 yds and score 6. Secondly, in the Houston game, there was 2:45 left in the game. They threw it 3rd and 3, incomplete, stopping the clock and giving Houston a free timeout. If they run the ball there, and get the 1st down, game likely over, as Houston had no timeouts. I am surprised the OC isn't taking more heat for these last two games' late play calling.

3) Flacco. Not "loving" him matty, but his numbers are pretty fuckin good. 21 TD vs 8 INT. 3,223 yds and a QB rating of 94. Compare his numbers to Roethlisberger who has 13 TD and 5 INT and a rating of 94 as well. I would say Flacco's numbers are better. I didn't include his yds because of the 4 game suspension.

4) Travis- Reprise. Dude, i read your last post which bashed baltimore for giving up a 28-13 lead. true, very true, however, your beloved Pittsburgh steelers and their vaunted defense did the same thing to the cincinnati bengals earlier this season, remember? Houston can flat out move the ball, especially through the air. they have the best receiver in the NFL in Johnson, who can also kick the shit out of DB's.

[YoungJRNY]

A couple points here:1) Travis. Goddammit dude, it's "course" NOT "coarse." This pickles my ass.

Dude, get used to it, I do it because I know it drives you absolutely fruity.

[Rockindeano]

A couple points here:1) Travis. Goddammit dude, it's "course" NOT "coarse." This pickles my ass.

Dude, get used to it, I do it because I know it drives you absolutely fruity.

Course- a path way, a route

Coarse- a grit, roughness

travis- a complete cocksucking whore from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. You spell as good as that dumb southern bitch, baby Blue. That chick is about as smart as a Q-tip.

[YoungJRNY]

2) The coin toss did NOT influence that fucking game.

I beg to differ. That coin toss had everything to do whether or not what Ravens team were going to come into overrtime. In the state of exhaustion the Ravens D was in, and with the momentum the Texans hoisted over them at that moment, I'd say Houston wins that game if they receive the ball first. It's all speculation, but how could you NOT say that the opening coin toss influenced what the Ravens wanted to do?

B) As for that pick 6, it would not have mattered where Schaub threw that ballo from, it was going to be a defensive TD.

Has nothing to do with anything about down and distance. The dude jumped the route at the 6 yard line. It was a nice read and nice jump route. I give credit to the Ravens D for coming up wit the play in O.T to finally win it.

3) Flacco. Not "loving" him matty, but his numbers are pretty fuckin good. 21 TD vs 8 INT. 3,223 yds and a QB rating of 94. Compare his numbers to Roethlisberger who has 13 TD and 5 INT and a rating of 94 as well. I would say Flacco's numbers are better. I didn't include his yds because of the 4 game suspension.

Why would you compare ANYTHING of a stat to prove how good a QB is to Ben Roethlisberger? The dude missed the first whole month of the season and has a very unique style to his own game with different offensive philosophies. Compare him to pure passers like Brady, Manning, or even fucking Kyle Orton's numbers or something who are very pass heavy. 21 touchdowns with the weapons Flacco is equipped with (Houseyourmama, Anquan Boldin, Derrick Mason, Todd Heap) those are just good and not nowhere NEAR great, ESP since the Ravens think they can throw the ball up and down the field now but barely have anything to show for it. Baltimore isn't that great of a team and I wouldn't mind them coming to Pittsburgh in the playoffs. I'd rather see Baltimore than Jacksonville or even N.Y.

BTW: What the hell is your problem tonight?

[YoungJRNY]

4) Travis- Reprise. Dude, i read your last post which bashed baltimore for giving up a 28-13 lead. true, very true, however, your beloved Pittsburgh steelers and their vaunted defense did the same thing to the cincinnati bengals earlier this season, remember? Houston can flat out move the ball, especially through the air. they have the best receiver in the NFL in Johnson, who can also kick the shit out of DB's.

I feel privileged to get a 1) Travis and a 4.) Travis all in one thread. Thanks dude! Anyway, other than the Baltimore game in September, the Steelers haven't let one 4th QRT comeback all season (which is spectacular since they lost virtually every protected lead in the 4th QRT last season that ended up in the loss column.) Of COARSE, Cincinnati got all their yardage on that late push off of 2 personal foul penalties and one pass interference penalty in the end zone. The Bengals didn't complete ONE play and all of a sudden were 60 yards down field on the goal line. Chalk that up as a fluke, hater.

[YoungJRNY]

A couple points here:1) Travis. Goddammit dude, it's "course" NOT "coarse." This pickles my ass.

Dude, get used to it, I do it because I know it drives you absolutely fruity.

Course- a path way, a route

Coarse- a grit, roughness

travis- a complete cocksucking whore from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. You spell as good as that dumb southern bitch, baby Blue. That chick is about as smart as a Q-tip.

If you're going to go all grammar Nazi on me and act like your life is ending over it, would you at least PLEASE capitalize the "t" on "Travis"? It's grammar adequate to capitalize the first letter of someone's name.

[Rockindeano]

A couple points here:1) Travis. Goddammit dude, it's "course" NOT "coarse." This pickles my ass.

Dude, get used to it, I do it because I know it drives you absolutely fruity.

Course- a path way, a route

Coarse- a grit, roughness

travis- a complete cocksucking whore from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. You spell as good as that dumb southern bitch, baby Blue. That chick is about as smart as a Q-tip.

If you're going to go all grammar Nazi on me and act like your life is ending over it, would you at least PLEASE capitalize the "t" on "Travis"? It's grammar adequate to capitalize the first letter of someone's name.

I hear you dude. I have this completely fucked up piece of shit keyboard. I am sorry. I am going to throw this motherfucker in the toilet.

[Rockindeano]

4) Travis- Reprise. Dude, i read your last post which bashed baltimore for giving up a 28-13 lead. true, very true, however, your beloved Pittsburgh steelers and their vaunted defense did the same thing to the cincinnati bengals earlier this season, remember? Houston can flat out move the ball, especially through the air. they have the best receiver in the NFL in Johnson, who can also kick the shit out of DB's.

I feel privileged to get a 1) Travis and a 4.) Travis all in one thread. Thanks dude! Anyway, other than the Baltimore game in September, the Steelers haven't let one 4th QRT comeback all season (which is spectacular since they lost virtually every protected lead in the 4th QRT last season that ended up in the loss column.) Of COARSE, Cincinnati got all their yardage on that late push off of 2 personal foul penalties and one pass interference penalty in the end zone. The Bengals didn't complete ONE play and all of a sudden were 60 yards down field on the goal line. Chalk that up as a fluke, hater.

What the hell? Is S2M sleeping over at your crib tonight dude?

Stop the goddamned complaining. You're better than that. Don't be like S2M.

[YoungJRNY]

4) Travis- Reprise. Dude, i read your last post which bashed baltimore for giving up a 28-13 lead. true, very true, however, your beloved Pittsburgh steelers and their vaunted defense did the same thing to the cincinnati bengals earlier this season, remember? Houston can flat out move the ball, especially through the air. they have the best receiver in the NFL in Johnson, who can also kick the shit out of DB's.

I feel privileged to get a 1) Travis and a 4.) Travis all in one thread. Thanks dude! Anyway, other than the Baltimore game in September, the Steelers haven't let one 4th QRT comeback all season (which is spectacular since they lost virtually every protected lead in the 4th QRT last season that ended up in the loss column.) Of COARSE, Cincinnati got all their yardage on that late push off of 2 personal foul penalties and one pass interference penalty in the end zone. The Bengals didn't complete ONE play and all of a sudden were 60 yards down field on the goal line. Chalk that up as a fluke, hater.

What the hell? Is S2M sleeping over at your crib tonight dude?

Stop the goddamned complaining. You're better than that. Don't be like S2M.

I'm not complaining whatsoever, just a response to your outcry of the Steelers - Bengals game. The Steelers won the game but like I said, the Bengals didn't need to complete ONE single play for ANY amount of yardage on that T.D drive and they went 60 yards and on the goal line in 3 plays and didn't even complete a damn pass in the process.

Here was the stats on that Bungle drive:

PENALTY on PIT-F.Adams, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at CIN 49.
Cincinnati Bengals at 10:06
1-10-PIT 36 (10:06) C.Palmer pass incomplete short left to C.Ochocinco (L.Woodley) [C.Hampton].
PENALTY on PIT-C.Hampton, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at PIT 36 - No Play. X12
1-10-PIT 21 (10:00) C.Palmer pass incomplete deep left to T.Owens.
PENALTY on PIT-I.Taylor, Defensive Pass Interference, 20 yards, enforced at PIT 21 - No Play. X13
1-1-PIT 1 (9:55) C.Benson right guard to PIT 1 for no gain (J.Farrior).
2-1-PIT 1 (9:21) C.Benson right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

That's 3 straight penatlies on 3 straight plays for significant amount of yardage that pit the Bengals offense down to the Steelers goal-line. Hardly a cry for the Steelers "letting a comeback" against Cincy.

[Rockindeano]

4) Travis- Reprise. Dude, i read your last post which bashed baltimore for giving up a 28-13 lead. true, very true, however, your beloved Pittsburgh steelers and their vaunted defense did the same thing to the cincinnati bengals earlier this season, remember? Houston can flat out move the ball, especially through the air. they have the best receiver in the NFL in Johnson, who can also kick the shit out of DB's.

I feel privileged to get a 1) Travis and a 4.) Travis all in one thread. Thanks dude! Anyway, other than the Baltimore game in September, the Steelers haven't let one 4th QRT comeback all season (which is spectacular since they lost virtually every protected lead in the 4th QRT last season that ended up in the loss column.) Of COARSE, Cincinnati got all their yardage on that late push off of 2 personal foul penalties and one pass interference penalty in the end zone. The Bengals didn't complete ONE play and all of a sudden were 60 yards down field on the goal line. Chalk that up as a fluke, hater.

What the hell? Is S2M sleeping over at your crib tonight dude?

Stop the goddamned complaining. You're better than that. Don't be like S2M.

I'm not complaining whatsoever, just a response to your outcry of the Steelers - Bengals game. The Steelers won the game but like I said, the Bengals didn't need to complete ONE single play for ANY amount of yardage on that T.D drive and they went 60 yards and on the goal line in 3 plays and didn't even complete a damn pass in the process.

Here was the stats on that Bungle drive:

PENALTY on PIT-F.Adams, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at CIN 49.
Cincinnati Bengals at 10:06
1-10-PIT 36 (10:06) C.Palmer pass incomplete short left to C.Ochocinco (L.Woodley) [C.Hampton].
PENALTY on PIT-C.Hampton, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at PIT 36 - No Play. X12
1-10-PIT 21 (10:00) C.Palmer pass incomplete deep left to T.Owens.
PENALTY on PIT-I.Taylor, Defensive Pass Interference, 20 yards, enforced at PIT 21 - No Play. X13
1-1-PIT 1 (9:55) C.Benson right guard to PIT 1 for no gain (J.Farrior).
2-1-PIT 1 (9:21) C.Benson right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

That's 3 straight penatlies on 3 straight plays for significant amount of yardage that pit the Bengals offense down to the Steelers goal-line. Hardly a cry for the Steelers "letting a comeback" against Cincy.

You impressed me until that last sentence. A penalty is called for a reason. Now, to your credit, you didn't go S2M on me and whine about the calls...If I recall correctly, those penalties were just. They were in fact penalties, you agree? So basically, if I throw a deep ball to Ochostinko say, 43 yds and he is manhandled like a satanic homosexual at the one yd line, that would be the same as a complete pass, yes? The theory is that the defensive player offended the play so badly, that he interrupted whay would have been a completed pass. So my point is, a penalty should be considered a completed pass in THIS argument. Kind of like a free throw in basketball. Where you miss a jump shot but are fouled, and then you make two foul shots....you get the points, but your missed FG attempt doesn't count as a miss.

[YoungJRNY]

4) Travis- Reprise. Dude, i read your last post which bashed baltimore for giving up a 28-13 lead. true, very true, however, your beloved Pittsburgh steelers and their vaunted defense did the same thing to the cincinnati bengals earlier this season, remember? Houston can flat out move the ball, especially through the air. they have the best receiver in the NFL in Johnson, who can also kick the shit out of DB's.

I feel privileged to get a 1) Travis and a 4.) Travis all in one thread. Thanks dude! Anyway, other than the Baltimore game in September, the Steelers haven't let one 4th QRT comeback all season (which is spectacular since they lost virtually every protected lead in the 4th QRT last season that ended up in the loss column.) Of COARSE, Cincinnati got all their yardage on that late push off of 2 personal foul penalties and one pass interference penalty in the end zone. The Bengals didn't complete ONE play and all of a sudden were 60 yards down field on the goal line. Chalk that up as a fluke, hater.

What the hell? Is S2M sleeping over at your crib tonight dude?

Stop the goddamned complaining. You're better than that. Don't be like S2M.

I'm not complaining whatsoever, just a response to your outcry of the Steelers - Bengals game. The Steelers won the game but like I said, the Bengals didn't need to complete ONE single play for ANY amount of yardage on that T.D drive and they went 60 yards and on the goal line in 3 plays and didn't even complete a damn pass in the process.

Here was the stats on that Bungle drive:

PENALTY on PIT-F.Adams, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at CIN 49.
Cincinnati Bengals at 10:06
1-10-PIT 36 (10:06) C.Palmer pass incomplete short left to C.Ochocinco (L.Woodley) [C.Hampton].
PENALTY on PIT-C.Hampton, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at PIT 36 - No Play. X12
1-10-PIT 21 (10:00) C.Palmer pass incomplete deep left to T.Owens.
PENALTY on PIT-I.Taylor, Defensive Pass Interference, 20 yards, enforced at PIT 21 - No Play. X13
1-1-PIT 1 (9:55) C.Benson right guard to PIT 1 for no gain (J.Farrior).
2-1-PIT 1 (9:21) C.Benson right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

That's 3 straight penatlies on 3 straight plays for significant amount of yardage that pit the Bengals offense down to the Steelers goal-line. Hardly a cry for the Steelers "letting a comeback" against Cincy.

You impressed me until that last sentence. A penalty is called for a reason. Now, to your credit, you didn't go S2M on me and whine about the calls...If I recall correctly, those penalties were just. They were in fact penalties, you agree? So basically, if I throw a deep ball to Ochostinko say, 43 yds and he is manhandled like a satanic homosexual at the one yd line, that would be the same as a complete pass, yes? The theory is that the defensive player offended the play so badly, that he interrupted whay would have been a completed pass. So my point is, a penalty should be considered a completed pass in THIS argument. Kind of like a free throw in basketball. Where you miss a jump shot but are fouled, and then you make two foul shots....you get the points, but your missed FG attempt doesn't count as a miss.

You are correct on the PI calls and placing with the spot of the foul. I wasn't really disputing that. There was a unsportsmanlike conduct for 15, a roughing the passer for another 15, and a pass interference for 10 (really 21 yards spot of foul). So in all 3 plays in a row when the Bengals didn't gain 1 yard, they got 51 total yards with a spot on the goaline due to a jump ball heave by Palmer, which is always a judgment call for the ref to make. Ike and Owens were pretty much running beside each other both scrapping with each other so it was judgment and penalties that let the Bungs make a "comeback" rather than earning it the hard way.

[Rockindeano]

4) Travis- Reprise. Dude, i read your last post which bashed baltimore for giving up a 28-13 lead. true, very true, however, your beloved Pittsburgh steelers and their vaunted defense did the same thing to the cincinnati bengals earlier this season, remember? Houston can flat out move the ball, especially through the air. they have the best receiver in the NFL in Johnson, who can also kick the shit out of DB's.

I feel privileged to get a 1) Travis and a 4.) Travis all in one thread. Thanks dude! Anyway, other than the Baltimore game in September, the Steelers haven't let one 4th QRT comeback all season (which is spectacular since they lost virtually every protected lead in the 4th QRT last season that ended up in the loss column.) Of COARSE, Cincinnati got all their yardage on that late push off of 2 personal foul penalties and one pass interference penalty in the end zone. The Bengals didn't complete ONE play and all of a sudden were 60 yards down field on the goal line. Chalk that up as a fluke, hater.

What the hell? Is S2M sleeping over at your crib tonight dude?

Stop the goddamned complaining. You're better than that. Don't be like S2M.

I'm not complaining whatsoever, just a response to your outcry of the Steelers - Bengals game. The Steelers won the game but like I said, the Bengals didn't need to complete ONE single play for ANY amount of yardage on that T.D drive and they went 60 yards and on the goal line in 3 plays and didn't even complete a damn pass in the process.

Here was the stats on that Bungle drive:

PENALTY on PIT-F.Adams, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at CIN 49.
Cincinnati Bengals at 10:06
1-10-PIT 36 (10:06) C.Palmer pass incomplete short left to C.Ochocinco (L.Woodley) [C.Hampton].
PENALTY on PIT-C.Hampton, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at PIT 36 - No Play. X12
1-10-PIT 21 (10:00) C.Palmer pass incomplete deep left to T.Owens.
PENALTY on PIT-I.Taylor, Defensive Pass Interference, 20 yards, enforced at PIT 21 - No Play. X13
1-1-PIT 1 (9:55) C.Benson right guard to PIT 1 for no gain (J.Farrior).
2-1-PIT 1 (9:21) C.Benson right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

That's 3 straight penatlies on 3 straight plays for significant amount of yardage that pit the Bengals offense down to the Steelers goal-line. Hardly a cry for the Steelers "letting a comeback" against Cincy.

You impressed me until that last sentence. A penalty is called for a reason. Now, to your credit, you didn't go S2M on me and whine about the calls...If I recall correctly, those penalties were just. They were in fact penalties, you agree? So basically, if I throw a deep ball to Ochostinko say, 43 yds and he is manhandled like a satanic homosexual at the one yd line, that would be the same as a complete pass, yes? The theory is that the defensive player offended the play so badly, that he interrupted whay would have been a completed pass. So my point is, a penalty should be considered a completed pass in THIS argument. Kind of like a free throw in basketball. Where you miss a jump shot but are fouled, and then you make two foul shots....you get the points, but your missed FG attempt doesn't count as a miss.

You are correct on the PI calls and placing with the spot of the foul. I wasn't really disputing that. There was a unsportsmanlike conduct for 15, a roughing the passer for another 15, and a pass interference for 10 (really 21 yards spot of foul). So in all 3 plays in a row when the Bengals didn't gain 1 yard, they got 51 total yards with a spot on the goaline due to a jump ball heave by Palmer, which is always a judgment call for the ref to make. Ike and Owens were pretty much running beside each other both scrapping with each other so it was judgment and penalties that let the Bungs make a "comeback" rather than earning it the hard way.

LOL, I am going to start calling you Y2J.

[YoungJRNY]

4) Travis- Reprise. Dude, i read your last post which bashed baltimore for giving up a 28-13 lead. true, very true, however, your beloved Pittsburgh steelers and their vaunted defense did the same thing to the cincinnati bengals earlier this season, remember? Houston can flat out move the ball, especially through the air. they have the best receiver in the NFL in Johnson, who can also kick the shit out of DB's.

I feel privileged to get a 1) Travis and a 4.) Travis all in one thread. Thanks dude! Anyway, other than the Baltimore game in September, the Steelers haven't let one 4th QRT comeback all season (which is spectacular since they lost virtually every protected lead in the 4th QRT last season that ended up in the loss column.) Of COARSE, Cincinnati got all their yardage on that late push off of 2 personal foul penalties and one pass interference penalty in the end zone. The Bengals didn't complete ONE play and all of a sudden were 60 yards down field on the goal line. Chalk that up as a fluke, hater.

What the hell? Is S2M sleeping over at your crib tonight dude?

Stop the goddamned complaining. You're better than that. Don't be like S2M.

I'm not complaining whatsoever, just a response to your outcry of the Steelers - Bengals game. The Steelers won the game but like I said, the Bengals didn't need to complete ONE single play for ANY amount of yardage on that T.D drive and they went 60 yards and on the goal line in 3 plays and didn't even complete a damn pass in the process.

Here was the stats on that Bungle drive:

PENALTY on PIT-F.Adams, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at CIN 49.
Cincinnati Bengals at 10:06
1-10-PIT 36 (10:06) C.Palmer pass incomplete short left to C.Ochocinco (L.Woodley) [C.Hampton].
PENALTY on PIT-C.Hampton, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at PIT 36 - No Play. X12
1-10-PIT 21 (10:00) C.Palmer pass incomplete deep left to T.Owens.
PENALTY on PIT-I.Taylor, Defensive Pass Interference, 20 yards, enforced at PIT 21 - No Play. X13
1-1-PIT 1 (9:55) C.Benson right guard to PIT 1 for no gain (J.Farrior).
2-1-PIT 1 (9:21) C.Benson right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

That's 3 straight penatlies on 3 straight plays for significant amount of yardage that pit the Bengals offense down to the Steelers goal-line. Hardly a cry for the Steelers "letting a comeback" against Cincy.

You impressed me until that last sentence. A penalty is called for a reason. Now, to your credit, you didn't go S2M on me and whine about the calls...If I recall correctly, those penalties were just. They were in fact penalties, you agree? So basically, if I throw a deep ball to Ochostinko say, 43 yds and he is manhandled like a satanic homosexual at the one yd line, that would be the same as a complete pass, yes? The theory is that the defensive player offended the play so badly, that he interrupted whay would have been a completed pass. So my point is, a penalty should be considered a completed pass in THIS argument. Kind of like a free throw in basketball. Where you miss a jump shot but are fouled, and then you make two foul shots....you get the points, but your missed FG attempt doesn't count as a miss.

You are correct on the PI calls and placing with the spot of the foul. I wasn't really disputing that. There was a unsportsmanlike conduct for 15, a roughing the passer for another 15, and a pass interference for 10 (really 21 yards spot of foul). So in all 3 plays in a row when the Bengals didn't gain 1 yard, they got 51 total yards with a spot on the goaline due to a jump ball heave by Palmer, which is always a judgment call for the ref to make. Ike and Owens were pretty much running beside each other both scrapping with each other so it was judgment and penalties that let the Bungs make a "comeback" rather than earning it the hard way.

LOL, I am going to start calling you Y2J.

Like Chris Jericho? Haha, but please don't insult me I'm not baggin on the refs, just replying to your message about Pittsburgh's D letting a "4th QRT comeback" against the Bengals when it was all smoke in mirrors on HOW they came back, a read between the lines type ordeal.

[Rockindeano]

Uh no, not like Chris Jericho, like S2M. You'll never be as bad as that guy, but you show glimpses of that kind of "greatness."