Most Disappointing Release Of 2010

[Rockindeano]

Sorry, platinum or not, I wasn't thrilled with The Promise either.

Yeah, am I to believe you went out and bought The Promise? Come on already. After three weeks, it's already platinum certified.

[S2M]

Sorry, platinum or not, I wasn't thrilled with The Promise either.

Yeah, am I to believe you went out and bought The Promise? Come on already. After three weeks, it's already platinum certified.

No one said Bruce doesn't have fans, Dean....and fans are loyal. And fans will buy ANYTHING. Doesn't mean it's a great album. Hell, I'm a Kiss fan....Dynasty sucked ass. Its ok to admit when an album sucks, bro....

By the way - was it a double CD plus DVD release?

[Saint John]

And to use Dean's analogy, MB obviously don't suck, if their first album after so many years, can go gold within 24 hours.

And you have the nerve to complain about "fuzzy math" with Journey!!!


RIAJ Certification

In 1989, the Recording Industry Association of Japan introduced the music recording certification systems. It is awarded based on shipment figures of compact disc or cassette tape which was reported by record labels. In principle, the criteria are limitedly applied to the materials released after January 21, 1989.


Currently, all music sales including singles, albums, digital download singles are on the same criteria. Unlike many countries, the highest certification is not called "Diamond" or "Platinum", but "Million".
Thresholds per award:


Gold
100,000

Platinum
250,000

Million
1,000,000

[Deb]

Sorry, platinum or not, I wasn't thrilled with The Promise either.

Yeah, am I to believe you went out and bought The Promise? Come on already. After three weeks, it's already platinum certified.

No one said Bruce doesn't have fans, Dean....and fans are loyal. And fans will buy ANYTHING. Doesn't mean it's a great album. Hell, I'm a Kiss fan....Dynasty sucked ass. Its ok to admit when an album sucks, bro....

Very true. Heck I'm a long-time BJovi fan, but I would love to have gotten my money back on This Left Feels Right.

[Deb]

And you have the nerve to complain about "fuzzy math" with Journey!!!


Gold
100,000

Platinum
250,000

Million
1,000,000

You must have me confused with somebody else, I haven't made one comment on any fuzzy math regarding Journey. And considering MB's "What If..." has only been released in Japan so far, and in this digital download era, I seriously don't find going Gold with album sales within 24 hours as a bad thing at all, I think that's pretty damn good. Especially considering they haven't been around for 15 years!

[Rockindeano]

Sorry, platinum or not, I wasn't thrilled with The Promise either.

Yeah, am I to believe you went out and bought The Promise? Come on already. After three weeks, it's already platinum certified.

No one said Bruce doesn't have fans, Dean....and fans are loyal. And fans will buy ANYTHING. Doesn't mean it's a great album. Hell, I'm a Kiss fan....Dynasty sucked ass. Its ok to admit when an album sucks, bro....

By the way - was it a double CD plus DVD release?

If you are asking about the current release(not that you care), there were two simultaneously. 1 was The Promise, a 21 song disc of leftovers from the Darkness record. The other was a 7 disc box set(4 cd/3 dvd), The Promise: The Making of the Darkness on the Edge of Town. One goes for 13 bucks, the other for a hundred.

By the way S2M, I would honestly say if one of the records sucked...I just can't think of a single one that does. Darkness is one of the greatest records ever recorded, period.

As for you being a KISS fan, that's your problem. They aren't even real. They're the rock n roll version of the fuckin Monkees. They DO suck dude.

[LtVanish]

Bruce Springsteen "The Promise" I know it isn't new material exactly, but it is a snooze fest.

It's genius, dude. That album was supposed to be lean and completely stripped down. The songs are haunting. Anyone into lyrical magic will love this. Remember these are leftover songs from the Darkness on the Edge of Town album from 1978.

I love Bruce always have and love the Darkness album, I guess was expecting more from the Promise is all, just a bit dissapointing to me. Nebraska is my favorite Springsteen album.

[yulog]

And to use Dean's analogy, MB obviously don't suck, if their first album after so many years, can go gold within 24 hours.

And you have the nerve to complain about "fuzzy math" with Journey!!!


RIAJ Certification

In 1989, the Recording Industry Association of Japan introduced the music recording certification systems. It is awarded based on shipment figures of compact disc or cassette tape which was reported by record labels. In principle, the criteria are limitedly applied to the materials released after January 21, 1989.


Currently, all music sales including singles, albums, digital download singles are on the same criteria. Unlike many countries, the highest certification is not called "Diamond" or "Platinum", but "Million".
Thresholds per award:


Gold
100,000

Platinum
250,000

Million
1,000,000

It should be said that Japan has about one third the population of the united states and the fact that a band that doesnt sing in the native language of said country sold 100, 000 copies in 24 hrs is amazing. How many times has a band in the states sold a cd sung in a language other than english that sold 100, 000 in a day, has it even happened yet?

It should also be said that canada has about a tenth of the population of the USA and anything going gold or platinum by Canada standards, again would be incredible.

[Michigan Girl]

It should be said that Japan has about one third the population of the united states and the fact that a band that doesnt sing in the native language of said country sold 100, 000 copies in 24 hrs is amazing. How many times has a band in the states sold a cd sung in a language other than english that sold 100, 000 in a day, has it even happened yet?

It should also be said that canada has about a tenth of the population of the USA and anything going gold or platinum by Canada standards, again would be incredible.

It's interesting you should bring this up, Yuley, I've always wondered ...it says a whole lot!!
I would never, ever, ever be interested in an album of songs sung in a language I did not understand completely...
no matter how good the melody or awesome the voice!!

[Deb]

It should be said that Japan has about one third the population of the united states and the fact that a band that doesnt sing in the native language of said country sold 100, 000 copies in 24 hrs is amazing. How many times has a band in the states sold a cd sung in a language other than english that sold 100, 000 in a day, has it even happened yet?

It should also be said that canada has about a tenth of the population of the USA and anything going gold or platinum by Canada standards, again would be incredible.

It's interesting you should bring this up, Yuley, I've always wondered ...it says a whole lot!!
I would never, ever, ever be interested in an album of songs sung in a language I did not understand completely...
no matter how good the melody or awesome the voice!!

Japan loves the MB guys/music! EM's Mr Vocalist cds have sold very well also. They are definitely Martinized over there.........Sony-Japan has already gotten 3 Mr Vocalist cover cds and an Xmas one out of him. I keep forgetting that's it not even their native language........especially seeing the crowds in Budokan, etc. on my MB dvds all singing right along. It does say alot, as I'm with you Michie, I've never been interested in any albums sung in different languages either, even though I've heard some great french and spanish vocalists out there.

[Saint John]

And to use Dean's analogy, MB obviously don't suck, if their first album after so many years, can go gold within 24 hours.

And you have the nerve to complain about "fuzzy math" with Journey!!!


RIAJ Certification

In 1989, the Recording Industry Association of Japan introduced the music recording certification systems. It is awarded based on shipment figures of compact disc or cassette tape which was reported by record labels. In principle, the criteria are limitedly applied to the materials released after January 21, 1989.


Currently, all music sales including singles, albums, digital download singles are on the same criteria. Unlike many countries, the highest certification is not called "Diamond" or "Platinum", but "Million".
Thresholds per award:


Gold
100,000

Platinum
250,000

Million
1,000,000

It should be said that Japan has about one third the population of the united states and the fact that a band that doesnt sing in the native language of said country sold 100, 000 copies in 24 hrs is amazing. How many times has a band in the states sold a cd sung in a language other than english that sold 100, 000 in a day, has it even happened yet?

It should also be said that canada has about a tenth of the population of the USA and anything going gold or platinum by Canada standards, again would be incredible.

You'd have a great point if Japan had any sort of good music ... but they don't. They have to settle for our rejects and this is a perfect example of that. Mr Big is, and always has been, a 3rd rate band in the U.S. They went over there, made a name for themselves and have a nice following. But that was because they couldn't cut the mustard in the U.S., not because of a great music catalog. They've just invested more time, out of necessity, over there.

[Deb]

You'd have a great point if Japan had any sort of good music ... but they don't. They have to settle for our rejects and this is a perfect example of that. Mr Big is, and always has been, a 3rd rate band in the U.S. They went over there, made a name for themselves and have a nice following. But that was because they couldn't cut the mustard in the U.S., not because of a great music catalog. They've just invested more time, out of necessity, over there.

Ya, ok?!

Cuz gawd forbid the reason being they can actually spot musical talent compared to our Lady Gaga/Kanye West lovin' American asses. So to use your analogy, the other big name rock acts that go over well there too, are US rejects as well? SJ = lame response

[Saint John]

You'd have a great point if Japan had any sort of good music ... but they don't. They have to settle for our rejects and this is a perfect example of that. Mr Big is, and always has been, a 3rd rate band in the U.S. They went over there, made a name for themselves and have a nice following. But that was because they couldn't cut the mustard in the U.S., not because of a great music catalog. They've just invested more time, out of necessity, over there.

Ya, ok?!

Cuz gawd forbid the reason being they can actually spot musical talent compared to our Lady Gaga/Kanye West lovin' American asses. So to use your analogy, the other big name rock acts that go over well there too, are US rejects as well? SJ = lame response

I didn't use any analogy. I just know that they've always been a lame opening act in the U.S. Their first album here pretty much flopped, but it well in Japan. To Be With You, a great ballad, put them on the map worldwide, but they couldn't ride that momentum anywhere in the world ... but Japan. The fact that Superfantastic was a monstrous hit in Japan tells me all I need to know about the Japanese music scene. That song is awful. They have about 3-5 good songs in 20+ years together. Staggering.

[kgdjpubs]

The fact that Superfantastic was a monstrous hit in Japan tells me all I need to know about the Japanese music scene. That song is awful.

playing devil's advocate here.....the chart-topping hits we've had here recently should tell you all you need to know about the US music scene. There's been some pretty dreadful yet highly popular songs here also--in ALL decades.

They have about 3-5 good songs in 20+ years together. Staggering.

this, I might come close to agreeing with you on. There is a lot of talent in that band, but try as I might, I don't find many memorable songs from them--new album included. I guess it's just not for me.

[Deb]

I didn't use any analogy. I just know that they've always been a lame opening act in the U.S. Their first album here pretty much flopped, but it well in Japan. To Be With You, a great ballad, put them on the map worldwide, but they couldn't ride that momentum anywhere in the world ... but Japan. The fact that Superfantastic was a monstrous hit in Japan tells me I need to know about the Japanese music scene. That song is awful. They have about 3-5 good songs in 20+ years together. Staggering.

This sentence made me LOL! That you think one of their best songs is To Be With You tells me all I need to know. Go figure, you liking a bands radio hit, no way! Yes, I appreciate that it went #1 in 15 countries but nowhere near my favorite song of theirs, they've got lots of better gems in their catalogue. If grunge hadn't come in right as they were hitting it in the US, who knows where they would be. Their 4th album Hey Man (my fave) in '96 went double platinum......with not one major radio hit to ride on. I think they've got lots of good songs, but I will concede they could have much more IMO, if they would let EM and PG do more of the writing.

You go listen to your Milli Vanilli dance pop, Danilow, as our musical tastes are always going to be vastly different.

[Saint John]

That you think one of their best songs is To Be With You tells me all I need to know. Go figure, you liking a bands radio hit, no way!

Point out an older ballad that they that's better than it. That song has everything ... a great opening, an incredibly catchy chorus, that "sing-along" quality and it stays interesting through the entire songs, whereas most ballads fade at the end.

Their 4th album Hey Man (my fave) in '96 went double platinum

Where?



PS I got the stats on Superfantastic from Wikipedia, so they may or may not be true. "Get Over It was released on September 1999, in Japan, and yielded "Superfantastic," a multi-platinum number one hit in Japan." Maybe it should have read Shine?

[conversationpc]

You'd have a great point if Japan had any sort of good music ... but they don't. They have to settle for our rejects and this is a perfect example of that. Mr Big is, and always has been, a 3rd rate band in the U.S. They went over there, made a name for themselves and have a nice following. But that was because they couldn't cut the mustard in the U.S., not because of a great music catalog. They've just invested more time, out of necessity, over there.

Ya, ok?!

Cuz gawd forbid the reason being they can actually spot musical talent compared to our Lady Gaga/Kanye West lovin' American asses. So to use your analogy, the other big name rock acts that go over well there too, are US rejects as well? SJ = lame response

I didn't use any analogy. I just know that they've always been a lame opening act in the U.S. Their first album here pretty much flopped, but it well in Japan. To Be With You, a great ballad, put them on the map worldwide, but they couldn't ride that momentum anywhere in the world ... but Japan. The fact that Superfantastic was a monstrous hit in Japan tells me all I need to know about the Japanese music scene. That song is awful. They have about 3-5 good songs in 20+ years together. Staggering.

While I like Mr. Big, I'm not a huge fan. That being said, the music scene in Japan is much more stable than it is here and better, in my opinion. We're much more fickle in our tastes and that drives me insane. The Japanese have it right in this case.

[Deb]

Their 4th album Hey Man (my fave) in '96 went double platinum

Where?

Japan. Considering Nirvana and Pearl Jam (grunge movement) pretty much took over the US in the early/mid 90s, they've done well.

Mr. Big (1989) (The Billboard 200 #46, Japan Oricon Album Chart #22, JPN – Gold)
Lean Into It (1991) (The Billboard 200 #15, Japan Oricon Album Chart #6, US – Platinum, JPN – Platinum)
Bump Ahead (1993) (The Billboard 200 #82, Japan Oricon Album Chart #4, JPN – Platinum)
Hey Man (1996) (Japan Oricon Album Chart #1, JPN – 2x Platinum)
Get Over It (2000) (Japan Oricon Album Chart #5, JPN – Gold)
Actual Size (2001) (Japan Oricon Album Chart #5)
What If... (2010)

PS I got the stats on Superfantastic from Wikipedia, so they may or may not be true. "Get Over It was released on September 1999, in Japan, and yielded "Superfantastic," a multi-platinum number one hit in Japan." Maybe it should have read Shine?

Yep, it was Shine that went #1. Along with TBWY and Take Cover. With Just Take My Heart hitting a respectable #16. 3 faves actually!

"To Be With You" (1991) (The Billboard Hot 100 #1 (3 weeks), Mainstream Rock Tracks #19, Adult Contemporary #11, UK #3)
"Just Take My Heart" (1992) (The Billboard Hot 100 #16, Mainstream Rock Tracks #18, Japan Oricon Single Chart #68, UK #26)
"Wild World" (1993) (The Billboard Hot 100 #27, Mainstream Rock Tracks #33, Top 40 Mainstream #12, Japan Oricon Single Chart #40, UK #59)
"Ain't Seen Love Like That" (1994) (The Billboard Hot 100 #83)
"Take Cover" (1996) (Japan Oricon Single Chart #1)
"Superfantastic" (2000) (Japan Oricon Single Chart #97)
"Static" (2000) (Japan Oricon Single Chart #66)
"Where Are They Now" (2000) (Japan Oricon Single Chart #47)
"Shine" (2001) (Japan Oricon Single Chart #1, ending for Hellsing movie)

[Saint John]

Thanks, Deb.

[Rockindeano]

I think the problem you are facing in these arguments Deb, is while Mr Big may very well be talented, and they are(although Martin is nowhere near as good as you perceive him to be- I actually listened to a bunch of their youtubes yesterday to prepare for the upcoming April bar show ...and he is very average, nothing at all special about Martin)....anyway, the consensus amongst us here and many others on youtube too, is they can't write for shit. their songwriting skills are trerrible. maybe they should ask BA to write a song or 5 for them, or even Jack Blades? Sorry Deb, Martin just can't write a good song. And he has had 25 years to do so, so where the Hell are they?

[S2M]

One of my favorite EM tunes....

My Disease
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ReIF1nhSL8

and a couple of songs used in Sonic the Hedgehog with Jen Senoue

Batter Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH4cGhgtGEY&feature=related

The American Dream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxFR0UDwp5M

Sorry, Deb, can't get on board with TMG....that group just plain sucks ass!

[yulog]

And to use Dean's analogy, MB obviously don't suck, if their first album after so many years, can go gold within 24 hours.

And you have the nerve to complain about "fuzzy math" with Journey!!!


RIAJ Certification

In 1989, the Recording Industry Association of Japan introduced the music recording certification systems. It is awarded based on shipment figures of compact disc or cassette tape which was reported by record labels. In principle, the criteria are limitedly applied to the materials released after January 21, 1989.


Currently, all music sales including singles, albums, digital download singles are on the same criteria. Unlike many countries, the highest certification is not called "Diamond" or "Platinum", but "Million".
Thresholds per award:


Gold
100,000

Platinum
250,000

Million
1,000,000

It should be said that Japan has about one third the population of the united states and the fact that a band that doesnt sing in the native language of said country sold 100, 000 copies in 24 hrs is amazing. How many times has a band in the states sold a cd sung in a language other than english that sold 100, 000 in a day, has it even happened yet?

It should also be said that canada has about a tenth of the population of the USA and anything going gold or platinum by Canada standards, again would be incredible.

You'd have a great point if Japan had any sort of good music ... but they don't. They have to settle for our rejects and this is a perfect example of that. Mr Big is, and always has been, a 3rd rate band in the U.S. They went over there, made a name for themselves and have a nice following. But that was because they couldn't cut the mustard in the U.S., not because of a great music catalog. They've just invested more time, out of necessity, over there.

Japan doesn't have any good music to you because you don't understand their culture and their language but i'm sure that they do have great music to them, thats why anyone selling music in english that does well over there(or any other country that doesn't speak english for that matter) is just incredible. Whether you like the band or not, 100,000 in 24hrs for any band in this situation is just spectacular.

If Mr. Big couldn't cut it in the U.S they never would have got support from the record companies. Atlantic records supported them throughout their career in the U.S, and they were not in the business of keeping bands that couldn't cut the mustard. You have to remember MR. Bigs career started in what 89 and they became popular in 91, scored a number 1 in 91 when grunge was taking over and they stayed around and survived when all other melodic rock bands were hanging it up because their record companies were telling them, "people are not interested in that type of music anymore".

If anything this band should get a boatload of respect for surviving thru the worst decade of rock and roll. What Aor Bands were making it big in the 90's? I can't think of many ,and look at some of your bigger artists during that time, where were they? Journey? Even springsteen said the 90's were not his best years , i think the only cds that did not go platinum for him were during this time. You could argue that they were third rate because they didnt get the fame of rock bands of the 70's or 80's, or you could argue that they were first rate for pulling off a number one in the grunge period of rock and roll.

[S2M]

To me, the best era for melodic rock was 89-94....even though grunge was king in the latter years....

[Deb]

You'd have a great point if Japan had any sort of good music ... but they don't. They have to settle for our rejects and this is a perfect example of that. Mr Big is, and always has been, a 3rd rate band in the U.S. They went over there, made a name for themselves and have a nice following. But that was because they couldn't cut the mustard in the U.S., not because of a great music catalog. They've just invested more time, out of necessity, over there.

Japan doesn't have any good music to you because you don't understand their culture and their language but i'm sure that they do have great music to them, thats why anyone selling music in english that does well over there(or any other country that doesn't speak english for that matter) is just incredible. Whether you like the band or not, 100,000 in 24hrs for any band in this situation is just spectacular.

If Mr. Big couldn't cut it in the U.S they never would have got support from the record companies. Atlantic records supported them throughout their career in the U.S, and they were not in the business of keeping bands that couldn't cut the mustard. You have to remember MR. Bigs career started in what 89 and they became popular in 91, scored a number 1 in 91 when grunge was taking over and they stayed around and survived when all other melodic rock bands were hanging it up because their record companies were telling them, "people are not interested in that type of music anymore".

If anything this band should get a boatload of respect for surviving thru the worst decade of rock and roll. What Aor Bands were making it big in the 90's? I can't think of many ,and look at some of your bigger artists during that time, where were they? Journey? Even springsteen said the 90's were not his best years , i think the only cds that did not go platinum for him were during this time. You could argue that they were third rate because they didnt get the fame of rock bands of the 70's or 80's, or you could argue that they were first rate for pulling off a number one in the grunge period of rock and roll.

I think I love you.

[yulog]

I think the problem you are facing in these arguments Deb, is while Mr Big may very well be talented, and they are(although Martin is nowhere near as good as you perceive him to be- I actually listened to a bunch of their youtubes yesterday to prepare for the upcoming April bar show ...and he is very average, nothing at all special about Martin)....anyway, the consensus amongst us here and many others on youtube too, is they can't write for shit. their songwriting skills are trerrible. maybe they should ask BA to write a song or 5 for them, or even Jack Blades? Sorry Deb, Martin just can't write a good song. And he has had 25 years to do so, so where the Hell are they?

I'm confused by this ,Martin can't write but he penned a number one single when AOR was on its way out .Perry who is regarded as a god never wrote a number 1(when his type of music ruled the airwaves), blades never wrote a number 1, should these guys be considered less skilled songwriters?

[Deb]

I think the problem you are facing in these arguments Deb, is while Mr Big may very well be talented, and they are(although Martin is nowhere near as good as you perceive him to be- I actually listened to a bunch of their youtubes yesterday to prepare for the upcoming April bar show ...and he is very average, nothing at all special about Martin)....anyway, the consensus amongst us here and many others on youtube too, is they can't write for shit. their songwriting skills are trerrible. maybe they should ask BA to write a song or 5 for them, or even Jack Blades? Sorry Deb, Martin just can't write a good song. And he has had 25 years to do so, so where the Hell are they?

I'm confused by this ,Martin can't write but he penned a number one single when AOR was on its way out .Perry who is regarded as a god never wrote a number 1(when his type of music ruled the airwaves), blades never wrote a number 1, should these guys be considered less skilled songwriters?

Stop. I'm getting ladywood.

[S2M]

Great....EM can hang his hat on TBWY....great accomplishment. Meanwhile, back in reality.....Crazy Lixx is band of the year!

Blame it on Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_DgY4WTIGY

and Chris Laney is downright awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HF2YqExRdU&feature=related

[Melissa]

To me, the best era for melodic rock was 89-94....even though grunge was king in the latter years....

Hmm, I liked 87-91/92 better, because it seemed grunge was really taking over by the end of 92. And then by the time mid to late 90's rolled around, it seemed all melodic rock was squashed by all the total crap on radio, MTV, etc. But yeah there was still some good stuff hidden in that couple years between 92-94.

[Melissa]

:lol: Stop. I'm getting ladywood.

[Rockindeano]

I think the problem you are facing in these arguments Deb, is while Mr Big may very well be talented, and they are(although Martin is nowhere near as good as you perceive him to be- I actually listened to a bunch of their youtubes yesterday to prepare for the upcoming April bar show ...and he is very average, nothing at all special about Martin)....anyway, the consensus amongst us here and many others on youtube too, is they can't write for shit. their songwriting skills are trerrible. maybe they should ask BA to write a song or 5 for them, or even Jack Blades? Sorry Deb, Martin just can't write a good song. And he has had 25 years to do so, so where the Hell are they?

I'm confused by this ,Martin can't write but he penned a number one single when AOR was on its way out .Perry who is regarded as a god never wrote a number 1(when his type of music ruled the airwaves), blades never wrote a number 1, should these guys be considered less skilled songwriters?

First off, it's ONE song. Granted, it was catchy. Secondly, Perry is a god, but I never once said Perry was a great writer. Contributory for sure, but my guess is Cain penned most of their lyrics from 81 on...not that they were any good, but the music was good. Yeah, there was a handful of nicely worded songs, (Faithfully, Mother Father and maybe BGTY). I guess what I am trying to say is over say 25-30 years, Journey penned what, 25 top[ 40 hits, and Big has about 3? You do the math on this one. You have excellent top notch writers, good writers, moderate writers and substandard ones. Where would you put Martun?

As for Perry? I would say he writes about as good as Bruce sings, and Springsteen writes as good as Steve sings.