DavidWT wrote:I think it's time for us all to just accept that Survivor is dead. "Too Hot To Sleep", for me, is their last real album. "Reach" was kind of cool to hear and it has some good tracks on it, but I just have a hard time putting it in the Survivor canon... something about it just doesn't fit. Hell, even Frankie omitted it from his discography.
And if one day I look out my window and see pigs flying past, and Re-Entry gets released, it won't be a Survivor album in anything other than name anyway. Survivor was a band, not one person. At the very least, it was FS and JP. Take one of them out of the equation, and you have a different band. Just as "Crossroads Moment" wasn't a Survivor album, neither will "Re-Entry" be*. I'm not saying it won't be a good album. It might be. It might be the best album to ever have the "Survivor" name on it. But I would just have a hard time seeing it as a real Survivor album. To me, it would kind of be like if Paul McCartney released a new album and tried labeling it as a new Beatles album.
(*actually, I think I'd have an easier time counting "Crossroads Moment" as a Survivor album than I would counting "Re-Entry" as a Survivor album. At least CM had the one of the main Survivor song-writers and its lead singer. "Re-Entry" will have the other Survivor song-writer and the drummer. No disrespect to Marc at all, but a singer defines a band's sound more than a drummer does... at least to my ears. I'm sure a gazillion drummers would be quick to disagree, and I'm not trying to offend anyone or incite a flame war here, I'm just talking about my own opinion.)
Journey/Survivor wrote:I myself consider "Reach" to be more of a "Survivor" album than I do "Crossroads Moment," but that's because of a few reasons. First of all "Reach" is a Survivor album by name, and also it had 3 Survivor members on it, compared to only 2 Survivor members on "Crossroads Moment."
DavidWT wrote:Journey/Survivor wrote:I myself consider "Reach" to be more of a "Survivor" album than I do "Crossroads Moment," but that's because of a few reasons. First of all "Reach" is a Survivor album by name, and also it had 3 Survivor members on it, compared to only 2 Survivor members on "Crossroads Moment."
Actually I was talking about “Re-Entry” Vs. “Crossroads Moment,” since they will each just have two Survivor (or former Survivor) members in them, and so in that sense, I think CM is more of a Survivor album since I put the singer higher on the ladder than the drummer in terms of defining a band’s sound.
But as for “Reach” Vs. CM… It’s pretty even as to which has more of the “Survivor” feel, but I think I would have to give the nod to CM. To me, a lot of CM feels like a natural successor to the sound that was developed on “Vital Signs” and “When Seconds Count,” and even to some degree “Too Hot To Sleep”. On the other hand, “Reach” has a lot of songs that, for me at least, don’t really fit the Survivor sound: Acoustic ballads, country music, etc. Even “Give Me The Word”, which is pretty cool, sounds more like something from Jimi’s “Empires” album than a Survivor song. And “Rhythm Of The Heart” almost sounds like it wants to be a boy-band song. I really wish they had just polished up the "FMS" demos and released those. Overall, it's a better set of songs than the ones that we got on "Reach."
Slander wrote:I dig CW, but there is wayyyy to much cheese on that album to call it a Survivor album. Way too much. You can tell it doesn't have Sullivan's rock influence on it-period. As for REACH, while I like many of the tracks, there is some filler, and it doesn't have the "hooks" that other Survivor albums featured. Survivor is a rock band not an "ac" band.
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