OFFICIAL 2010-2011 NFL season & predictions thread:

[Don]

Here is the hit that ended Montana's run. Yeah, he played after that, and in KC but he was never the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAABWqhNvtg

[Melissa]

meniscus is just wasted shit that you don't need.

Wrong They cushion bones and help them glide rather than grind and also disburse weight. Just FYI.

I know MCE, however, in the context of a sports argument, you don't need it, same with cartlidge. Sure they are designed to function and perform a service, but a player can by without it. Trust me jacket, I know all about meniscus and the fact it doesn't exist in my knees. It is a horrible pain that never goes away.

Yeah but not having that protection causes problems with the bones over time, so yeah they are needed for that, lol. And I have no clue which hurts worse since I haven't hurt my knees. I do know you can function fine with a ligament injury though, I have a completely messed up ligament in my left foot from an injury, and it bothers me all the time, but I've learned to live with it since there's no other choice, lol. I even run on it.

[Rockindeano]

meniscus is just wasted shit that you don't need.

Wrong They cushion bones and help them glide rather than grind and also disburse weight. Just FYI.

I know MCE, however, in the context of a sports argument, you don't need it, same with cartlidge. Sure they are designed to function and perform a service, but a player can by without it. Trust me jacket, I know all about meniscus and the fact it doesn't exist in my knees. It is a horrible pain that never goes away.

Yeah but not having that protection causes problems with the bones over time, so yeah they are needed for that, lol. And I have no clue which hurts worse since I haven't hurt my knees. I do know you can function fine with a ligament injury though, I have a completely messed up ligament in my left foot from an injury, and it bothers me all the time, but I've learned to live with it since there's no other choice, lol. I even run on it.

Ligaments are crucial, no pun intended, but Mel, you weigh 109 lbs, and are basically a feather duster in track shoes with a black leather jacket...most NFL guys are 350 with Sequoias for legs and Worldwide Globes for domes....BIG difference on the wear and tear a knee/ankle take~!

You as usual, make excellent points. You still have that jacket? You're almost as iconic with that jacket is as Espee is with his tails.

[YoungJRNY]

Am I seeing things? Wasn't Cutler riding the sideline bicycle like he was Rocky Balboa training to go into a prize fight with Ivan Drago? Doesn't that involve bending of the knee? Like I said, I know Deano has gone though hell, but it looks like "Cuntler" (thanks Dan) was fine on the sidelines without much pain on his face! The dude could have played on if that fiery force of a competitor would of took over like it is in so many beastly professional athletes.

[Don]

Sometimes, being an asshole and competitor go hand in hand.

[Rhiannon]

Am I seeing things? Wasn't Cutler riding the sideline bicycle like he was Rocky Balboa training to go into a prize fight with Ivan Drago? Doesn't that involve bending of the knee? Like I said, I know Deano has gone though hell, but it looks like "Cuntler" (thanks Dan) was fine on the sidelines without much pain on his face! The dude could have played on if that fiery force of a competitor would of took over like it is in so many beastly professional athletes.

Jay Cutler is to quarterbacks what Chester Arthur is to presidents.

...WHO?

Exactly.

[Melissa]

Ligaments are crucial, no pun intended, but Mel, you weigh 109 lbs, and are basically a feather duster in track shoes with a black leather jacket...most NFL guys are 350 with Sequoias for legs and Worldwide Globes for domes....BIG difference on the wear and tear a knee/ankle take~!

You as usual, make excellent points. You still have that jacket? You're almost as iconic with that jacket is as Espee is with his tails.

True they are giants and all, and if fb players are the toughest, then it seems a sprain to someone THAT big should be just an ouchie But I have no clue, my point was a meniscus definitely serves a good purpose, lol. When they degenerate over time too, that's when knee problems also start or existing ones just get worse.

[lights1961]

okay time to move on past Cutler...and on to the teams that will actually be playing in less than two weeks now...

Packers or Steelers... great stories on both teams... both teams rich in history and players... hall of famers all of it...

who will win... or do you care??

[S2M]

okay time to move on past Cutler...and on to the teams that will actually be playing in less than two weeks now...

Packers or Steelers... great stories on both teams... both teams rich in history and players... hall of famers all of it...

who will win... or do you care??

I do not care. I'm looking forward to the draft, and news about a lockout. My mind is already in April, and September.

[Enigma869]

who will win...

Green Bay, simply because they have more talent.

do you care??

Not really. That said, I would have been rooting for Shitsburgh all the way if that douche Favre still played for the Packers.

[YoungJRNY]

okay time to move on past Cutler...and on to the teams that will actually be playing in less than two weeks now...

Packers or Steelers... great stories on both teams... both teams rich in history and players... hall of famers all of it...

who will win... or do you care??

I'm holding off judgment at this point. The way I see it, it could strongly go either which way for both teams in whatever you want to talk about when facing strengths and weakness's.

I've seen a Packers team struggle in the middle of the season to the point where they were in danger of missing the playoffs and a team that looked like a 3rd tier team, then as the season progressed they showed glimpses of greatest, got knocked back down a couple pegs, and then entered the post-season hot. For the Steelers, I haven't really witnessed a drop in play during the coarse of the season. It seems like they bring that fiery edge in every matchup that was thrown at them this season so when it comes down to it, I think it'll be more of a challenge for G.B to beat Pittsburgh, than it would be Pittsburgh to beat Green Bay. Most of the players on the Steelers roster, notably 16 of them have a shot at a 3rd ring and this is most of GB's first go-around so that may have a big thing to do with it.

I'm sure I'll have more opinions moving forward but I think it's going to be one helluva matchup noone really knows how will end.

[Jonny B]

If Green Bay has a perfect ratio of 100 to 0 in terms of passing/running, they will win that game. We all know the Steelers can stop the run. But one thing that's never changed, is you can pass on them. They just haven't faced a competent quarterback yet that can exploit it for a full 60 minutes. Enter Aaron Rodgers, a seemingly offensive playoff machine. Just throw to whichever side Troy Polamalu isn't occupying at the time and it'll be an easy Packers victory.

My jinx has been typed out. Let the ripping begin.

[Enigma869]

If Green Bay has a perfect ratio of 100 to 0 in terms of passing/running, they will win that game. We all know the Steelers can stop the run. But one thing that's never changed, is you can pass on them. They just haven't faced a competent quarterback yet that can exploit it for a full 60 minutes. Enter Aaron Rodgers, a seemingly offensive playoff machine. Just throw to whichever side Troy Polamalu isn't occupying at the time and it'll be an easy Packers victory.

My jinx has been typed out. Let the ripping begin.

No need to rip you. Your analysis is spot on. Green Bay and Pittsburgh have very comparable defenses. As you said, the Steelers are VERY tough to run against, but Green Bay isn't a running team, so that's not much of an issue. In my opinion, this game will be decided at the QB position. Whichever guy makes the fewest mistakes will be hoisting The Lombardi Trophy. If you're simply a fan of the NFL, this is still a great matchup, simply because of the history of these two teams. I've always believed that if any team in the NFL should be called "America's Team", it is the Packers and not the Cowgirls. I'm not a Packers fan, but it's simply tough to root against a team that is owned by the people and plays in a city that has fewer than 100K people. Hell, the city I grew up in about 8 miles north of Boston has more people than Green Bay has.

[YoungJRNY]

If Green Bay has a perfect ratio of 100 to 0 in terms of passing/running, they will win that game. We all know the Steelers can stop the run. But one thing that's never changed, is you can pass on them. They just haven't faced a competent quarterback yet that can exploit it for a full 60 minutes. Enter Aaron Rodgers, a seemingly offensive playoff machine. Just throw to whichever side Troy Polamalu isn't occupying at the time and it'll be an easy Packers victory.

My jinx has been typed out. Let the ripping begin.

Not really. If any of these teams result into going into the game playing one-dimensional then that means a glaring weakness can be taken advantage of. The Steelers faced off against Matt Ryan, Tom Brady and Drew Brees so we are accustomed to facing a quarterback that can stretch the field. I've said it all along, it's no mystery that the Steelers defense can be exploited and the success of our secondary (which stepped up significantly during the second half of the season) is all dependent on our front 7.

I've said it earlier that the matchup of this game is the Steelers D line VS the Packers O-line. If Pittsburgh can get pressure from their defensive lineman (which I've seen Rodgers go into the tank before because of this) then Green Bay can be kept grounded.

Pittsburgh's defense isn't built to stay on the field, period. A lot of running around and disguising and Polamalu once said that the longer they are on the field, the more they become vulnerable so I expect the Steelers to turn up the heat because we can get to Rodgers without question. I think Pittsburgh's secondary deserves much more credit because all the yards that accumulate on them is the design of keeping the play in front of them.

All about the pressure in this one. If Rodgers wants to throw it for 40 times, then I see that playing into James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley and Lawrence Timmons hands, who are very, very athetic and elusive with upside. Don't underestimate Pittsburgh's speed on offense on the turf either. Wallace, Sanders, Brown and Mendenhall can stretch things, as well as Green Bay's offense. It's a perfect Super Bowl to try and break down IMHO.

[YoungJRNY]

If Green Bay has a perfect ratio of 100 to 0 in terms of passing/running, they will win that game. We all know the Steelers can stop the run. But one thing that's never changed, is you can pass on them. They just haven't faced a competent quarterback yet that can exploit it for a full 60 minutes. Enter Aaron Rodgers, a seemingly offensive playoff machine. Just throw to whichever side Troy Polamalu isn't occupying at the time and it'll be an easy Packers victory.

My jinx has been typed out. Let the ripping begin.

In my opinion, this game will be decided at the QB position.

Dude, didn't you just try to argue with me before when I said the success of Green Bay winning this game will be on Rodgers arm and you disagreed?

YoungJRNY wrote:
Their Super Bowl rides on Aaron Rodgers arm, point blank.




No it doesn't. You do realize that Green Bay had the third best defense in the NFL this past season, right?

[S2M]

A good pass rush hides a suspect secondary....you had better hope you can get to Rodgers.

[YoungJRNY]

A good pass rush hides a suspect secondary....you had better hope you can get to Rodgers.

Yep, and I totally agree. The Steelers strength is our linebackers, which is defined by the 3-4 defensive lineman who needs to take up as much double teams as possible and let the backers roam free. Other than Ike Taylor, who has shutdown all of the league's best for some time now, the Steelers other corners are a bigtime liability, no disputing it and we know that, that's why we always draft D-line, and Linebackers that fit our 3-4, zone blitzing style to a tee. Our corners will give up yardage, you will see them play 10 yards off the ball, which means we never are going to give up the deep ball. Holmes got one on Ike when he fell last week, but that's about all we gave up.

[S2M]

A good pass rush hides a suspect secondary....you had better hope you can get to Rodgers.

Yep, and I totally agree. The Steelers strength is our linebackers, which is defined by the 3-4 defensive lineman who needs to take up as much double teams as possible and let the backers roam free. Other than Ike Taylor, who has shutdown all of the league's best for some time now, the Steelers other corners are a bigtime liability, no disputing it and we know that, that's why we always draft D-line, and Linebackers that fit our 3-4, zone blitzing style to a tee. Our corners will give up yardage, you will see them play 10 yards off the ball, which means we never are going to give up the deep ball. Holmes got one on Ike when he fell last week, but that's about all we gave up.

Honestly, the ONLY difference(and this is not debatable) between the Steelers and NE is Pittsburgh has a pass rush. True story. That's how important it is. If NE had a stud OLB or DE, they would be in this game.

[YoungJRNY]

A good pass rush hides a suspect secondary....you had better hope you can get to Rodgers.

Yep, and I totally agree. The Steelers strength is our linebackers, which is defined by the 3-4 defensive lineman who needs to take up as much double teams as possible and let the backers roam free. Other than Ike Taylor, who has shutdown all of the league's best for some time now, the Steelers other corners are a bigtime liability, no disputing it and we know that, that's why we always draft D-line, and Linebackers that fit our 3-4, zone blitzing style to a tee. Our corners will give up yardage, you will see them play 10 yards off the ball, which means we never are going to give up the deep ball. Holmes got one on Ike when he fell last week, but that's about all we gave up.

Honestly, the ONLY difference(and this is not debatable) between the Steelers and NE is Pittsburgh has a pass rush. True story. That's how important it is. If NE had a stud OLB or DE, they would be in this game.

That's the whole point there, chief. You guys don't and we do "If the Carolina Panthers had a quarterback and a shutdown defense, they'd be in this game!"

[Enigma869]

Dude, didn't you just try to argue with me before when I said the success of Green Bay winning this game will be on Rodgers arm and you disagreed?

Actually, no young lad. I never said that Rodgers wouldn't be a factor. You said that it all comes down to Rodgers, and I simply made the point that I think you are GREATLY underestimating Green Bay's defense, which is every bit as good as Pittsburgh's and better in the secondary. You said it's all Rodgers. I simply said it will come down to Rodgers AND Rapelisberger. Truth be told, they both sucked in the championship games. I think Ben's QB rating was about 35.

[Enigma869]

The Steelers faced off against Matt Ryan, Tom Brady and Drew Brees so we are accustomed to facing a quarterback that can stretch the field.

Accustomed how? You do realize that they lost two of those three games and barely won the other one, right?

[YoungJRNY]

Dude, didn't you just try to argue with me before when I said the success of Green Bay winning this game will be on Rodgers arm and you disagreed?

Actually, no young lad. I never said that Rodgers wouldn't be a factor. You said that it all comes down to Rodgers, and I simply made the point that I think you are GREATLY underestimating Green Bay's defense, which is every bit as good as Pittsburgh's and better in the secondary. You said it's all Rodgers. I simply said it will come down to Rodgers AND Rapelisberger. Truth be told, they both sucked in the championship games. I think Ben's QB rating was about 35.

Haha, okay, I don't see the difference between my comment and yours but I'll play your silly little game I am NOT underestimating the Packers defense, whatsoever. I love Matthews, who is an X-factor like Polamalu and they got the defensive MVP from a year ago in Charles Woodson and Bj Ragi (sp) to clog the middle. I understand how GB can bring it only because it's Pittsburgh's model (Dom Capers, the GB D-coordinator used to coordinate Pitt as well) and Pittsburgh has went up against some 2 great defense's that are atop of the league in pressure defense in Baltimore and N.Y so GB can't really show us what we will be ready to see.

Green Bay might have more talent, which is certainly debatable, but they are still only in their 2nd season running the 3-4 while Pittsburgh has used it for so long so even though GB is VERY tough and have been coming around, I think Pittsburgh's D does it tremendously better while there are still major holes in GB's 3-4 techniques. It will all come down to pressure and if both O-LINES are ready for crazy-blitzing.

[S2M]

Lebeau got a little lackadaisical(sp) and cocky in the 2nd half against the Jets...he stopped blitzing. it almost cost him the game. And that was against Sanchez. You do that to Rodgers and you can kiss #7 goodbye....

[YoungJRNY]

The Steelers faced off against Matt Ryan, Tom Brady and Drew Brees so we are accustomed to facing a quarterback that can stretch the field.

Accustomed how? You do realize that they lost two of those three games and barely won the other one, right?

Yeah but that's not the point. Ryan only took what the defense was giving them and threw 0 touchdowns and 1 interception with a team made up of major weapons offensively. The Steelers kept them at bay all game, esp in the redzone. Bree's started off shaky and the Steelers "barely lost" that game in New Orleans. If Heath Miller doesn't fumble on the game-winning drive then they would of walked out of there with a W. Tom Brady is well, Tom Brady. They beat 14 teams this year, defense's have bad games but the Steelers have been tested deep all season, they just take away the long ball.

[Enigma869]

Lebeau got a little lackadaisical(sp) and cocky in the 2nd half against the Jets...he stopped blitzing. it almost cost him the game. And that was against Sanchez. You do that to Rodgers and you can kiss #7 goodbye....

The entire Steelers team didn't show up for the second half. The same can be said of Green Bay. I think the one thing that hurts both teams a bit is that neither of them beat a team anywhere near as good as the team they're are about to play in the big game.

[YoungJRNY]

Lebeau got a little lackadaisical(sp) and cocky in the 2nd half against the Jets...he stopped blitzing. it almost cost him the game. And that was against Sanchez. You do that to Rodgers and you can kiss #7 goodbye....

Trust me, I'm SURE there won't be any 24-0 deficits in this one. This is the Super Bowl against opponent's that can certainly beat anybody, I'm sure LeBeau will throw the entire book at him and I'm sure Capers will bring it as well. I seriously can't put a finger on who has the edge.

[Jonny B]

If Green Bay has a perfect ratio of 100 to 0 in terms of passing/running, they will win that game. We all know the Steelers can stop the run. But one thing that's never changed, is you can pass on them. They just haven't faced a competent quarterback yet that can exploit it for a full 60 minutes. Enter Aaron Rodgers, a seemingly offensive playoff machine. Just throw to whichever side Troy Polamalu isn't occupying at the time and it'll be an easy Packers victory.

My jinx has been typed out. Let the ripping begin.

In my opinion, this game will be decided at the QB position.

Dude, didn't you just try to argue with me before when I said the success of Green Bay winning this game will be on Rodgers arm and you disagreed?

YoungJRNY wrote:
Their Super Bowl rides on Aaron Rodgers arm, point blank.




No it doesn't. You do realize that Green Bay had the third best defense in the NFL this past season, right?

That was a while ago, and since then, it actually surprised me how much Aaron Rodgers has improved since then. But was it not the defense that held the Bears to 3 points in the season finale and got the Packers into the playoffs to begin with?

[Saint John]

Enter Aaron Rodgers, a seemingly offensive playoff machine.

Really? He had 0 TD passes and 2 INT's against the Bears and a whopping 1yd TD run. To add to that, once they started knocking him around just a little bit, he ended the game with 2 and a half quarters with 0 points. Lastly, he wasn't even able to make the simplest of throws on 3rd and short and, when pressured, kept throwing the ball at the feet of his receivers. Pittsburgh's D is even more physical than the Bears and I see them roughing him up and him going into a shell ... just like he did against the Bears.

Green Bay is better in only 2 areas ... WR and secondary. Pittsburgh is better in every other aspect and have a better, more seasoned coaching staff. And that's why they're gonna win the game.

[YoungJRNY]

If Green Bay has a perfect ratio of 100 to 0 in terms of passing/running, they will win that game. We all know the Steelers can stop the run. But one thing that's never changed, is you can pass on them. They just haven't faced a competent quarterback yet that can exploit it for a full 60 minutes. Enter Aaron Rodgers, a seemingly offensive playoff machine. Just throw to whichever side Troy Polamalu isn't occupying at the time and it'll be an easy Packers victory.

My jinx has been typed out. Let the ripping begin.

In my opinion, this game will be decided at the QB position.

Dude, didn't you just try to argue with me before when I said the success of Green Bay winning this game will be on Rodgers arm and you disagreed?

YoungJRNY wrote:
Their Super Bowl rides on Aaron Rodgers arm, point blank.




No it doesn't. You do realize that Green Bay had the third best defense in the NFL this past season, right?

That was a while ago, and since then, it actually surprised me how much Aaron Rodgers has improved since then. But was it not the defense that held the Bears to 3 points in the season finale and got the Packers into the playoffs to begin with?

Yeah, Green Bay's defense is certainly tough but the Chicago Bears wasn't really the epitome of an explosive offense, esp since they were off and on all season under the Mike Martz offense & they only put up 10 on the Bears defense in that finale, got off to the hot start last week then managed to struggle with that Bears D again in that second half. Green Bay & Pitt will have trouble with each other's schemes offensively but I think Pitt can come away with much better success moving the ball under pressure than Rodgers and his offense could.

[Rockindeano]

Enter Aaron Rodgers, a seemingly offensive playoff machine.

Really? He had 0 TD passes and 2 INT's against the Bears and a whopping 1yd TD run. To add to that, once they started knocking him around just a little bit, he ended the game with 2 and a half quarters with 0 points. Lastly, he wasn't even able to make the simplest of throws on 3rd and short and, when pressured, kept throwing the ball at the feet of his receivers. Pittsburgh's D is even more physical than the Bears and I see them roughing him up and him going into a shell ... just like he did against the Bears.

Green Bay is better in only 2 areas ... WR and secondary. Pittsburgh is better in every other aspect and have a better, more seasoned coaching staff. And that's why they're gonna win the game.

I hate to admit it, but Benjamin Todd is one clutch raping, err, QB machine, but overall talent, he isn't as good as Rodgers, Dan. You correctly cited Aaron's Chicago game stats, but did you see his stud like stats vs games AT Philly and AT the ATL?

I agree with hasselback(the guiy on ESPN)...The QB who makes the big play at the end of the game is going to win this. That said, I wouldn't put it past that ugly fuck BTR to escape a 4 man Packer clutch and throw a wobbly 4 yarder for a first down and the game...he always does it. BTR wins this game and he is a Hall of Famer.\\Yes, I know his initials are Born to Run, and I hate that, but the guy is clutch.