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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:01 am

YoungJRNY wrote:I haven't watched ESPN for some time now, esp since the NFL playoffs started. I get so irritated and fired up that I can't even read anymore articles. Halfway through an article I may lay my eyes on, I click out mid-read. The wait is just brutal and I'm sick of the talking heads beating the same dead hoarse. I watched highlights after the game since I went to both playoff games but other than that, I get too giddy and anxious to watch any of it anymore.


Dude, watch Jim Rome is Burning on ESPN at 130P (My time)....I guarantee you, you will be laughing at the smack in the first 5 minutes.
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Postby Everett » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:16 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:I haven't watched ESPN for some time now, esp since the NFL playoffs started. I get so irritated and fired up that I can't even read anymore articles. Halfway through an article I may lay my eyes on, I click out mid-read. The wait is just brutal and I'm sick of the talking heads beating the same dead hoarse. I watched highlights after the game since I went to both playoff games but other than that, I get too giddy and anxious to watch any of it anymore.


Dude, watch Jim Rome is Burning on ESPN at 130P (My time)....I guarantee you, you will be laughing at the smack in the first 5 minutes.


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YoungJRNY wrote:I haven't watched ESPN for some time now, esp since the NFL playoffs started. I get so irritated and fired up that I can't even read anymore articles. Halfway through an article I may lay my eyes on, I click out mid-read. The wait is just brutal and I'm sick of the talking heads beating the same dead hoarse. I watched highlights after the game since I went to both playoff games but other than that, I get too giddy and anxious to watch any of it anymore.


Dude, watch Jim Rome is Burning on ESPN at 130P (My time)....I guarantee you, you will be laughing at the smack in the first 5 minutes.


pti is the best show on espn


He does a good show...Remember back in the day when he had Jim Everett on his show and called him "CHRIS Everett"? Then he got dumped on the floor when Everett came after him. :lol:
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:38 am

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Dude, watch Jim Rome is Burning on ESPN at 130P (My time)....I guarantee you, you will be laughing at the smack in the first 5 minutes.


Love Rome. Been watching that dude forever. It's the only show on ESPN that I TiVo.
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Postby S2M » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:40 am

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Dude, watch Jim Rome is Burning on ESPN at 130P (My time)....I guarantee you, you will be laughing at the smack in the first 5 minutes.


Love Rome. Been watching that dude forever. It's the only show on ESPN that I TiVo.


The problem with Jim is he's 100% scripted. When the camera is on him, while the interviewee is speaking - you can tell Jim couldn't care less. He is thinking about his next question. There is no spontaneous nature to his show. And that, for me, pulls him down as an interviewer. His radio show was heaps better.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:42 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:I haven't watched ESPN for some time now, esp since the NFL playoffs started. I get so irritated and fired up that I can't even read anymore articles. Halfway through an article I may lay my eyes on, I click out mid-read. The wait is just brutal and I'm sick of the talking heads beating the same dead hoarse. I watched highlights after the game since I went to both playoff games but other than that, I get too giddy and anxious to watch any of it anymore.


Dude, watch Jim Rome is Burning on ESPN at 130P (My time)....I guarantee you, you will be laughing at the smack in the first 5 minutes.


Took your advice and tuned into Rome. Watching it now, and ironically Mark Cuban is on and pretty much see's the Super Bowl as I see it. I have it as 28-17, he has it at 28-18. I could agree with that :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:24 pm

They called this particular defensive call "Magic," which, truth be known, was really just a quirky attempt to come up with something new and creative for offenses to fear.

They had no idea it would become the football rage it has become over the past 30 years. How could they possibly have imagined that back in the early 1980s when some defensive coaches at Penn State decided to fool around with a new concept we now know as the zone-blitz style of defense?

The idea was to drop the nose tackle into coverage, while bringing a blitz and playing zone behind it. It was a rarity in those days and, needless to say, it wasn't exactly something traditional Penn State coach Joe Paterno, known for his bland uniforms and style of play, would exactly embrace.

"He didn't say much," said then-Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. "He didn't like it very much."

It was Sandusky and secondary coach John Rosenberg who came up with crazy idea to drop linemen into coverage. Greg Gattuso, a chubby nose tackle, was one of the first, if not the first, to be featured in that role.

Gattuso, now the defensive line coach at Maryland, had three interceptions dropping into coverage in 1982. That Nittany Lions team went on to win the National Championship.

"My high school coach used to get in a big argument with some friends," Gattuso said. "They used to think I was getting driven off the ball, getting my butt kicked. He would tell them I was dropping into coverage. They all said the same thing, that it couldn't be true because I was a nose tackle."

It was true. And with that, we had the birth of the zone-blitz defense, a style that will be on display by both teams in Super Bowl XLV. The Pittsburgh Steelers and Green Bay Packers both employ the 3-4 zone-blitz scheme, which includes dropping linemen out while blitzing linebackers and secondary people. The basic fundamental is blitz and replace: Bring a player they don't expect to rush, while dropping one into coverage they think is rushing.

Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau often is considered the architect of the zone blitz because he used it some in the late 1980s with the Cincinnati Bengals. But this Penn State usage pre-dates that, and it leads to a progression that brings it to Pittsburgh through the United States Football League.

It can be tricky trying to label somebody as the father of a certain style of defense in football. That's because there are so many copycats and so little documentation to give proper credit. Thus, naming a true creator of the zone blitz is an inexact science.

Was it LeBeau? Was it Capers? Was it the Penn State staff or was it somebody before them?

"I can't take ownership," Rosenberg said. "We used a few new thoughts, but people have taken them and put some new and creative ways to use them. That's what you see today."

But in researching this story, it sure seems like the Penn State defensive coaches started the rage we see today.

"We never talked about it like we were the originators of the zone blitz," Sandusky said. "We were just doing something to play to our personnel."

"I don’t think anybody invents anything," Rosenberg said. "We were just doing something that nobody else had done. We were just hoping nobody made fun of us. It was kind of an off-ball thing to do. Then somebody else modifies it and it becomes a bigger deal."

It's a huge deal this week. LeBeau's defensive legacy is tied to it, while Dom Capers, the defensive coordinator for the Packers, might actually be the guy responsible for bringing it to Pittsburgh.

Rosenberg left Penn State for the Philadelphia Stars of the United States Football League. That team, coached by Jim Mora, used some zone-blitz principles, even though defensive coordinator Vince Tobin was more of a traditional-style coach.

When Rosenberg left to become the head coach at Brown University, Mora decided to hire a coach he worked with at the University of Washington to be his defensive backs coach.




That man was Capers.

The Stars used the zone-blitz some, according to John Pease, who was a defensive line coach on that team. Pease, who recently retired from coaching, said Rosenberg brought the concept to the Stars and Capers embraced it.

There are some who credit Hank Bullough for using some of the zone-blitz principles when he was defensive coordinator for New England in the late 1970s and with Cincinnati in the early 1980s. The straight 3-4 scheme is credited to Bill Arnsparger when he was defensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins. It differs from the zone-blitz, 3-4 scheme in that there weren't players dropping out in coverage from the defensive line.

Bullough and others used straight 3-4 defenses, which is why Rosenberg might be the first to take the blitz-and-replace idea to the next level.

"John is the one who brought it to pro football," Pease said.

Capers loved the idea when he saw it after taking over for Rosenberg.

"We ran it my two years there and we won championships (one in Philadelphia, one in Baltimore)," Capers said. "It was something different than what others were doing."

Mora took his staff to the New Orleans Saints in 1986 where they used it as well. As the secondary coach, Capers soaked it all in, hoping one day he could use it as a coordinator.

"I remember we had trouble with San Francisco," Capers said. "We had to find a way to beat them."

The zone blitz helped. With outside rushers like Ricky Jackson and Pat Swilling, the Saints used it a lot. So when Capers left to become the defensive coordinator of the Steelers in 1992, he took the concept with him.

On his staff was a secondary coach by the name of Dick LeBeau, who had used some of the same concepts with the Bengals. Capers presented the defense to Steelers coach Bill Cowher and the three put together what is now the 3-4 zone blitz defense.

"That first year we had trouble rushing the passer, but we had good secondary people," Capers said. "We had to use a lot of those looks to get pressure."

As the defense got better pass rushers, the sack numbers went up. In 1994, the Steelers led the league in sacks. That's when the name "Blitzburgh" started to take hold.

"I've never been around a defensive player who doesn't like to be aggressive," Capers said. "Everybody bows to the sack god."

Capers left after the 1994 season to take the job as head coach of the Carolina Panthers. He took the defense with him there and at his other stops as a coordinator or head coach. In Pittsburgh, LeBeau tinkered with it some when he took over running it after Capers left.

Even when LeBeau left for a while, the defense stayed. Jim Haslett ran it for Cowher and so did Tim Lewis when he ran the defense. LeBeau returned in 2004 and the defense hasn't really changed in 19 years.

"They do a great job drafting to that defense," Capers said. "It really gives them an advantage."

There will be countless stories on the zone blitz this week. It's been mentioned several times that LeBeau is the father of the thing, that he taught it to Capers.

As this story has shown, the real fathers might be two men at Penn State in the early 1980s who were just trying to come up with a few new wrinkles for a head coach that usually didn't like many -- if any.

"I'm not going to sit here and say we made the whole sauce, but we can say we put something in it," said Rosenberg, who now coaches in Germany. "It's hard to say who used it first, but we did use it some."

Gattuso was thrilled at the idea that that he might have been the first defensive lineman to have success dropping into coverage. He didn't see the play from the NFC Championship Game when Packers nose tackle B.J. Raji returned an interception for a touchdown last week, but he was glad to hear about it.

"I might have been the first," Gattuso. "I like that. I always wanted to be a linebacker, which is why it was fine with me to drop out. I never knew 'Magic' would get so big."

On Sunday, the two men given most of the credit for fine-tuning and tweaking the 3-4 zone blitz will be on opposite sidelines calling defenses. In other parts of the country, the men who may have hatched the idea will be watching, knowing full well that their crazy little idea may be the genesis for what has truly become an NFL defensive revolution.

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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:13 pm

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Rockindeano wrote:
Dude, watch Jim Rome is Burning on ESPN at 130P (My time)....I guarantee you, you will be laughing at the smack in the first 5 minutes.


Love Rome. Been watching that dude forever. It's the only show on ESPN that I TiVo.


The problem with Jim is he's 100% scripted. When the camera is on him, while the interviewee is speaking - you can tell Jim couldn't care less. He is thinking about his next question. There is no spontaneous nature to his show. And that, for me, pulls him down as an interviewer. His radio show was heaps better.


Only YOU would say this. Rome is a GREAT sports interviewer. He genuinely cares about the topic at hand. But whatever, I knew you would be along to piss on everything. Man, how do live such a negative fucking life? You make me feel depressed just reading your posts. Fuck!
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:15 pm

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YoungJRNY wrote:I haven't watched ESPN for some time now, esp since the NFL playoffs started. I get so irritated and fired up that I can't even read anymore articles. Halfway through an article I may lay my eyes on, I click out mid-read. The wait is just brutal and I'm sick of the talking heads beating the same dead hoarse. I watched highlights after the game since I went to both playoff games but other than that, I get too giddy and anxious to watch any of it anymore.


Dude, watch Jim Rome is Burning on ESPN at 130P (My time)....I guarantee you, you will be laughing at the smack in the first 5 minutes.


Took your advice and tuned into Rome. Watching it now, and ironically Mark Cuban is on and pretty much see's the Super Bowl as I see it. I have it as 28-17, he has it at 28-18. I could agree with that :lol:


Trav, don't judge this week's shows....these are all NFL Super Bowl shows. He is on the road and everything is NFL. Wait til next week when he gets back into NBA thugs, guns, coke and the like. Police blotter on Rome is awesome, and always entails NBA and NFL guys.
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Postby Enigma869 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:18 am

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Trav, don't judge this week's shows....these are all NFL Super Bowl shows. He is on the road and everything is NFL. Wait til next week when he gets back into NBA thugs, guns, coke and the like. Police blotter on Rome is awesome, and always entails NBA and NFL guys.


His interview with Brian Wilson was fucking classic. Rome looked so confused by how insane Wilson is.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:19 am

Troy Polamalu= 2010 Defensive Player of the year! Hell yeaaah.
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Postby S2M » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:32 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Troy Polamalu= 2010 Defensive Player of the year! Hell yeaaah.


Popular pick...doesn't surprise me. These awards need to come out BEFORE the SB....There were other deserving players. How about NE's Devin McCourty? 7 INTs as a ROOKIE...same amount as Troy. Just seems funny that the top 3 players are from GB and Pitt....
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Postby Saint John » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:36 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Troy Polamalu= 2010 Defensive Player of the year! Hell yeaaah.


Popular pick...doesn't surprise me. These awards need to come out BEFORE the SB....There were other deserving players. How about NE's Devin McCourty? 7 INTs as a ROOKIE...same amount as Troy. Just seems funny that the top 3 players are from GB and Pitt....


7 picks as rookie tells me 2 things: they were testing him and probably staying away from Asante Samuel. McCourty didn't change games with spectacular plays and have offenses planning around him. Polamalu did and that's why he deserves the award. Devin McCourty for Defensive Player Of The Year ... :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll:
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Postby S2M » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:39 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Troy Polamalu= 2010 Defensive Player of the year! Hell yeaaah.


Popular pick...doesn't surprise me. These awards need to come out BEFORE the SB....There were other deserving players. How about NE's Devin McCourty? 7 INTs as a ROOKIE...same amount as Troy. Just seems funny that the top 3 players are from GB and Pitt....


7 picks as rookie tells me 2 things: they were testing him and probably staying away from Asante Samuel. McCourty didn't change games with spectacular plays and have offenses planning around him. Polamalu did and that's why he deserves the award. Devin McCourty for Defensive Player Of The Year ... :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll:


Nice try....Assante Samuel is an Eagle. :roll: :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:40 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Troy Polamalu= 2010 Defensive Player of the year! Hell yeaaah.


Popular pick...doesn't surprise me. These awards need to come out BEFORE the SB....There were other deserving players. How about NE's Devin McCourty? 7 INTs as a ROOKIE...same amount as Troy. Just seems funny that the top 3 players are from GB and Pitt....


7 picks as rookie tells me 2 things: they were testing him and probably staying away from Asante Samuel. McCourty didn't change games with spectacular plays and have offenses planning around him. Polamalu did and that's why he deserves the award. Devin McCourty for Defensive Player Of The Year ... :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll:


Nice try....Assante Samuel is an Eagle. :roll: :lol:


I realized that right after I typed it that that didn't sound right. :lol: :oops:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:42 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Troy Polamalu= 2010 Defensive Player of the year! Hell yeaaah.


Popular pick...doesn't surprise me. These awards need to come out BEFORE the SB....There were other deserving players. How about NE's Devin McCourty? 7 INTs as a ROOKIE...same amount as Troy. Just seems funny that the top 3 players are from GB and Pitt....


Troy is an absolute freak of nature. The man is so interesting to watch because he can line up at one spot and seemingly be in another in all but a seconds time. Troy was all over the place, all season long. Jumping over offensive lineman, positioning himself at the line of scrimmage, running to the second level, across the field and making a pick, tomahawking- quarterbacks at a split second and intercepting footballs and being involved in position to stop the opposing teams running game in the backfield all while making huge plays to where he wasn't even supposed to be anyhow while being the quarterback of that secondary. The man is possessed and is feared beyond belief. Devin McCourty? Please.

That black dude that debates Skip is the biggest Steelers hater I've ever heard. Never once is he ever see him I'd like to see that black dude and Deano just tear into the Steelers with all of their illogical hate.

According to that dude:

Ben is nowhere near as good as Aaron Rodgers. (This got so heated that Skip got out of his seat 3 times! lmao)
Mike Tomlin is replaceable.
and Troy Polamalu isn't an All-Pro because he's only won DP of the year award once. Damn dude!
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Postby S2M » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:51 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Troy Polamalu= 2010 Defensive Player of the year! Hell yeaaah.


Popular pick...doesn't surprise me. These awards need to come out BEFORE the SB....There were other deserving players. How about NE's Devin McCourty? 7 INTs as a ROOKIE...same amount as Troy. Just seems funny that the top 3 players are from GB and Pitt....


Troy is an absolute freak of nature. The man is so interesting to watch because he can line up at one spot and seemingly be in another in all but a seconds time. Troy was all over the place, all season long. Jumping over offensive lineman, positioning himself at the line of scrimmage, running to the second level, across the field and making a pick, tomahawking- quarterbacks at a split second and intercepting footballs and being involved in position to stop the opposing teams running game in the backfield all while making huge plays to where he wasn't even supposed to be anyhow while being the quarterback of that secondary. The man is possessed and is feared beyond belief. Devin McCourty? Please.


I didn't say it SHOULD be Devin McCourty. I just said there are alot of deserving players out there besides Harrison, Clay, and Troy...and I didn't hear Troy's name once during the NE game.... :lol: He had TWO tackles.
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Postby Enigma869 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:52 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Troy is an absolute freak of nature. The man is so interesting to watch because he can line up at one spot and seemingly be in another in all but a seconds time. Troy was all over the place, all season long. Jumping over offensive lineman, positioning himself at the line of scrimmage, running to the second level, across the field and making a pick, tomahawking- quarterbacks at a split second and intercepting footballs and being involved in position to stop the opposing teams running game in the backfield all while making huge plays to where he wasn't even supposed to be anyhow while being the quarterback of that secondary. The man is possessed and is feared beyond belief. Devin McCourty? Please.


Listen...I LOVE Polamalu, but disrespecting McCourty like that is absurd. Dude had a MONSTER season as a rookie. Guy had better numbers than Darrelle Revis has had any season, and Revis is considered by many to be the top corner in the game. I'm not saying McCourty is going to be great, because who knows as a rookie. I'm not even saying McCourty should have won the award. What I am saying is that McCourty had more forced fumbles, more tackles, and as many picks as Troy had. I do think McCourty should get the rookie of the year award, because he was that good. Why didn't Ed Reed get any love? He had better numbers than Polamalu, is probably a better player, and didn't he miss some time this season?
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Postby S2M » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:03 am

Trav said 'tomahawking- quarterbacks at a split second' dude has EIGHT sacks total in his career. I wouldn't call that great by any stretch. Guy is good at what he does. He is just the popular pick, that's all. Harrison had a better season than Troy. 100 tackles, 10.5 sacks, 2 INTs, and SIX forced fumble....Troy had his 7 INTS, 69 tackles, and ONE sack, and ONE forced fumble...Basically the same stats. The Eastern Sports Polamalu Network just likes to be on Troy's tip all the time.... :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:05 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Troy is an absolute freak of nature. The man is so interesting to watch because he can line up at one spot and seemingly be in another in all but a seconds time. Troy was all over the place, all season long. Jumping over offensive lineman, positioning himself at the line of scrimmage, running to the second level, across the field and making a pick, tomahawking- quarterbacks at a split second and intercepting footballs and being involved in position to stop the opposing teams running game in the backfield all while making huge plays to where he wasn't even supposed to be anyhow while being the quarterback of that secondary. The man is possessed and is feared beyond belief. Devin McCourty? Please.


Listen...I LOVE Polamalu, but disrespecting McCourty like that is absurd. Dude had a MONSTER season as a rookie. Guy had better numbers than Darrelle Revis has had any season, and Revis is considered by many to be the top corner in the game. I'm not saying McCourty is going to be great, because who knows as a rookie. I'm not even saying McCourty should have won the award. What I am saying is that McCourty had more forced fumbles, more tackles, and as many picks as Troy had. I do think McCourty should get the rookie of the year award, because he was that good. Why didn't Ed Reed get any love? He had better numbers than Polamalu, is probably a better player, and didn't he miss some time this season?


Probably because he is nowhere NEAR used the same way Troy is used as a roaming intangible in our style of defense. Troy can lineup in any type of position and have his own responsibility regardless on what his tactic and what his position calls from him.

Ed Reed still plays with Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs on that defense and I have never seen Ed Reed make the plays that Polamalu has made other than ball-hawking. Troy is so much of a different safety and so versatile that you simply can't pin-point him in the defensive lineup OR know what position he actually plays. Ed Reed has missed some time over the past few seasons and noone has virtually noticed since they've kept wining and winning. Troy is out of the Steelers lineup and you can automatically see a dramatic difference and style of play without Troy in the lineup. The Ravens continued to win with Reed OUT of the lineup. The Steelers W-L record with and without Troy and how they perform in their numbers on defense is incredible. In every game the Steelers/Ravens play, Ed Reed is INVISIBLE and Troy, time in and time out, is the player that makes the huge play, esp in huge games.

Also, Troy missed games this season as well and is STILL nursing an Achilles's heel injury.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:09 am

S2M wrote:Trav said 'tomahawking- quarterbacks at a split second' dude has EIGHT sacks total in his career. I wouldn't call that great by any stretch. Guy is good at what he does. He is just the popular pick, that's all. Harrison had a better season than Troy. 100 tackles, 10.5 sacks, 2 INTs, and SIX forced fumble....Troy had his 7 INTS, 69 tackles, and ONE sack, and ONE forced fumble...Basically the same stats. The Eastern Sports Polamalu Network just likes to be on Troy's tip all the time.... :lol:


The Steelers RARELY ever blitz Troy or their safety's. Look at where all those sacks has come from. Lebeau is a zone blitz freak, and he loves bringing his linebackers on the blitz as well as his corners, rarely any safety's are seen coming after the quarterback. Troy is used in the box a lot and is a great run stuffer off the edge if need-be. Dude is EVERYWHERE.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:16 am

For Steelers fans...and anyone else who likes parodies I gues...LOL...

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I particularly like the Steelers cheese grater and Rogers compared to Will Farrell in Elf...
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Postby Enigma869 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:42 am

YoungJRNY wrote: Ed Reed has missed some time over the past few seasons and noone has virtually noticed since they've kept wining and winning. Troy is out of the Steelers lineup and you can automatically see a dramatic difference and style of play without Troy in the lineup. The Ravens continued to win with Reed OUT of the lineup. The Steelers W-L record with and without Troy and how they perform in their numbers on defense is incredible.


I don't disagree with Troy's significance to that team, but remember that when you're in here saying how valuable Ben is. The Steelers have proven that their QB is insignificant because they win with or without him.
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Postby S2M » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:15 am

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YoungJRNY wrote: Ed Reed has missed some time over the past few seasons and noone has virtually noticed since they've kept wining and winning. Troy is out of the Steelers lineup and you can automatically see a dramatic difference and style of play without Troy in the lineup. The Ravens continued to win with Reed OUT of the lineup. The Steelers W-L record with and without Troy and how they perform in their numbers on defense is incredible.


I don't disagree with Troy's significance to that team, but remember that when you're in here saying how valuable Ben is. The Steelers have proven that their QB is insignificant because they win with or without him.


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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:20 am

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YoungJRNY wrote: Ed Reed has missed some time over the past few seasons and noone has virtually noticed since they've kept wining and winning. Troy is out of the Steelers lineup and you can automatically see a dramatic difference and style of play without Troy in the lineup. The Ravens continued to win with Reed OUT of the lineup. The Steelers W-L record with and without Troy and how they perform in their numbers on defense is incredible.


I don't disagree with Troy's significance to that team, but remember that when you're in here saying how valuable Ben is. The Steelers have proven that their QB is insignificant because they win with or without him.


Ben is as valuable as it comes. Football is THEE ultimate team game. Every single thing out there is from the work of the entire units and the jobs that they do. That's what's so spectacular about football. Even Troy said he didn't want to be the Steelers MVP because he value's what the players do around him but yet, he was the focal point of how the defense operates from the backside-out and it's proven one of two guys that form a unit makes up a landscape in what that defense/offense can do.

Ben is that key to the puzzle on offense. The kind of plays that he single handily makes and when he is under a terrible amount of duress and when a play is needed BY him and only him givin his capability, then there's no question Ben Roethlisberger had a significant hand in value in winning the Steelers football games. You can't deny if you've ever watched the guy. Troy is just a straight up freak in how he's used.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:25 am

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YoungJRNY wrote: Ed Reed has missed some time over the past few seasons and noone has virtually noticed since they've kept wining and winning. Troy is out of the Steelers lineup and you can automatically see a dramatic difference and style of play without Troy in the lineup. The Ravens continued to win with Reed OUT of the lineup. The Steelers W-L record with and without Troy and how they perform in their numbers on defense is incredible.


I don't disagree with Troy's significance to that team, but remember that when you're in here saying how valuable Ben is. The Steelers have proven that their QB is insignificant because they win with or without him.


That's just dumb. They're still good without him, but not Super Bowl contenders. He's "insignificant" if your goal is to stay afloat in the regular season, but he's absolutely necessary to go deep into the playoffs, and his clutch passes and plays in the past mirror as much.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:33 am

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YoungJRNY wrote: Ed Reed has missed some time over the past few seasons and noone has virtually noticed since they've kept wining and winning. Troy is out of the Steelers lineup and you can automatically see a dramatic difference and style of play without Troy in the lineup. The Ravens continued to win with Reed OUT of the lineup. The Steelers W-L record with and without Troy and how they perform in their numbers on defense is incredible.


I don't disagree with Troy's significance to that team, but remember that when you're in here saying how valuable Ben is. The Steelers have proven that their QB is insignificant because they win with or without him.


That's just dumb. They're still good without him, but not Super Bowl contenders. He's "insignificant" if your goal is to stay afloat in the regular season, but he's absolutely necessary to go deep into the playoffs, and his clutch passes and plays in the past mirror as much.


Well, I guess N.E can win with or without Tom Brady as well. Didn't they go 11-5 with Matt Cassel? Brady= pure non-factor in winning :lol:
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Postby S2M » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:34 am

And NE was able to win 11 games in '08 without Tom Brady. 11 games with Matt Cassel...AND Vrabel, Harrison, Bruschi, Seymour, and Ellis Hobbs. Point being that any team with a great defense can pull out games if a backup QB doesn't fuck the team on the offensive end. Does that mean that Tom Brady sucks because Cassel was able to win 11 games? And conversely, does that mean Cassel is the 2nd coming?

If Ben was pulling games out of his arse, picking up the slack for a piss poor defense - I'd be willing to give him more credit. As *I* see it, he is an above average(not great) QB, who is difficult to tackle, and has mobility....he isn't a great passer, and is below average at reading defenses. If anything, he is a product of a sound defensive team....
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:37 am

S2M wrote:And NE was able to win 11 games in '08 without Tom Brady. 11 games with Matt Cassel...AND Vrabel, Harrison, Bruschi, Seymour, and Ellis Hobbs. Point being that any team with a great defense can pull out games if a backup QB doesn't fuck the team on the offensive end. Does that mean that Tom Brady sucks because Cassel was able to win 11 games? And conversely, does that mean Cassel is the 2nd coming?

If Ben was pulling games out of his arse, picking up the slack for a piss poor defense - I'd be willing to give him more credit. As *I* see it, he is an above average(not great) QB, who is difficult to tackle, and has mobility....he isn't a great passer, and is below average at reading defenses. If anything, he is a product of a sound defensive team....


Over the years, time and time again the defense broke down and it was Ben and the offense who would put together 80-90 yard drives, consistently, in crunch time, to pick up the slack of the defense (earlier in the year, the offense, only needing ONE first down against Baltimore to win it, couldn't do it with Charlie Batch in the lineup. Flacco hit T.J for the game winning T.D. With Ben in the lineup, no doubt he picks up that first down.) It happened in most of the '04 season, the '05, certainly the '07 season and the Super Bowl season in '08 where the offense NEEDED to go down and score or it's game over. Ben has had a huge significance of his team winning and put the team on his back numerous times. Remember when Fitzgerald scored and the offense needed to go down and win the game, starting on their own what? 5 yard line. Go back from that season, that wasn't the first time that happened.
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Postby Enigma869 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:55 am

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That's just dumb. They're still good without him, but not Super Bowl contenders. He's "insignificant" if your goal is to stay afloat in the regular season, but he's absolutely necessary to go deep into the playoffs, and his clutch passes and plays in the past mirror as much.


Last I checked, they were 3-1 without him this season and won a Super Bowl with the guy playing as bad as a QB has ever played in that game!
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