President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[S2M]

Another brilliant statement by another genius politician

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eEN0sHPKGA

Funny, I don't quite remember the three branches of government the same way from my 5th grade Civics class.

There are no checks and balances anymore....NONE. I watched some Glen Beck show last week when he had some guy on who was drawing on a chalkboard how the government SHOULD work....he drew the senate, house, president...then drew a circle around them:supreme court....then drew another circle around that, and that was something else.....then Glen came with his chalk and canceled out half the lines and stated that the checks and balances model the founding fathers drafted doesn't exist anymore....and that's why you can have 1500 page bills pass through that no one has read in it's entirety....sad really.

[S2M]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525594,00.html

[Memorex]

Now here's a mandate I can get behind...

INDIVIDUAL MANDATE: Bill would require all South Dakota residents to buy a gun...

--snip--

The measure is known as an act “to provide for an individual mandate to adult citizens to provide for the self defense of themselves and others.”


Rep. Hal Wick, R-Sioux Falls, is sponsoring the bill and knows it will be killed. But he said he is introducing it to prove a point that the federal health care reform mandate passed last year is unconstitutional.


“Do I or the other cosponsors believe that the State of South Dakota can require citizens to buy firearms? Of course not. But at the same time, we do not believe the federal government can order every citizen to buy health insurance,” he said.

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2011 ... ns-buy-gun

Talk about a waste of tax payer's dollars. Let's take up valuable time for a stunt that will change no one's mind. Either you believe congress has the power or you don't. Stupid stuff like this is a waste. Of course, if the court says mandates like the heath care law are ok, this type of stuff then becomes legal. And God help us on what both sides will shove at us.

[Behshad]

Now here's a mandate I can get behind...

INDIVIDUAL MANDATE: Bill would require all South Dakota residents to buy a gun...

--snip--

The measure is known as an act “to provide for an individual mandate to adult citizens to provide for the self defense of themselves and others.”


Rep. Hal Wick, R-Sioux Falls, is sponsoring the bill and knows it will be killed. But he said he is introducing it to prove a point that the federal health care reform mandate passed last year is unconstitutional.


“Do I or the other cosponsors believe that the State of South Dakota can require citizens to buy firearms? Of course not. But at the same time, we do not believe the federal government can order every citizen to buy health insurance,” he said.

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2011 ... ns-buy-gun

Talk about a waste of tax payer's dollars. Let's take up valuable time for a stunt that will change no one's mind. Either you believe congress has the power or you don't. Stupid stuff like this is a waste. Of course, if the court says mandates like the heath care law are ok, this type of stuff then becomes legal. And God help us on what both sides will shove at us.

Very mature
The main problem we have in this country is the party systems. Theyre both like fucking crybabies and act more childish than fuckin Stevew2 ever did ! They truly give the "U" in USA its true meaning.

[Don]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12328493

NYC investigators conduct Arizona gun show 'sting'

A New York City investigator bought pistols at an Arizona gun fair despite declaring he was "probably" barred by law from gun ownership, a report says.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's office, which conducted the sting, said the investigation exposed "a dangerous gap in our existing federal gun laws".

The gun show operator denounced the operation as "unlawful" entrapment.

The fair was held two weeks after six were killed in a shooting at an Arizona congresswoman's constituent meeting.

Representative Gabrielle Giffords, a Democrat, is recovering from a gunshot wound to the head. Among the six killed were a nine-year-old girl and a federal judge.

Jared Loughner, 22, is being held pending trial for the attack.

According to a report released on Monday, a team of private investigators hired by New York City visited the Crossroads of the West Gun Show in Phoenix, Arizona on 23 January.
'No questions asked'

Without undergoing background checks to ensure they were not prohibited from gun ownership, the investigators purchased 9mm semi-automatic pistols, including a Glock similar to the weapon Mr Loughner is accused of using in the deadly 8 January attack.

"We have demonstrated how easy it is for anyone to buy a semiautomatic handgun and a high capacity magazine, no questions asked," Mr Bloomberg said.

Federal law prohibits convicted criminals, mentally ill individuals and drug abusers from owning guns.

Licensed firearm dealers are required to conduct an FBI instant background check on prospective buyers.

But a provision of the background check law - which gun control advocates term the "gun show loophole" - allows private citizens to sell weapons from their personal collections without a background check.

"Gun shows provide a central marketplace for prohibited purchasers to connect with private sellers who make anonymous gun sales," Mr Bloomberg's report stated.

And it is illegal for private parties to sell guns to individuals they "know" or "have reason to believe" are barred from gun ownership.

According to the report, an undercover investigator purchased a pistol despite telling the seller "I probably couldn't pass" a background check.

The operators of the Crossroads of the West Gun Shows issued a statement on Monday saying all exhibitors at its shows were required to follow state and federal gun laws.

"Mayor Bloomberg and his 'task force' have no legal authority in the state of Arizona, or in any other place in America except New York City.

"These forays into America's heartland committing blatant acts to entrap otherwise innocent gun owners is an unlawful scheme that is created by Bloomberg's task force," the statement said.

An almost identical 2009 sting operation targeted seven gun shows in Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. As a result, organizers of 35 gun shows around the country agreed to end all no-background-check sales, Mr Bloomberg said.

Some gun rights advocates take issue with the term "gun show loophole", arguing that there is a tradition of unrestricted commerce between private individuals, and that any provision for such sales apply regardless of location.

The regulation of private firearm sales at gun shows varies from state to state in the US.

[S2M]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/01/5968112-senate-gop-to-try-to-force-health-care-repeal-vote-

GOP sources tell NBC News that Republican Leader Mitch McConnell will try to force a Senate vote on the House-passed motion to repeal the health care reform law this week. As early as today, McConnell will offer the repeal as an amendment to an unrelated aviation bill that the Senate is slated to consider this afternoon. McConnell has pledged to use the rules of the Senate to push for a vote on repeal, although Democrats have some procedural tools at their disposal that could be used to prevent a final vote. While it’s unlikely that the GOP will gain the Democratic support needed to garner enough votes for the measure to pass (and Obama could veto the measure even if it did), a repeal vote would force Democrats who are up for re-election in 2012 to go on the record in support of legislation which may not be popular in their home states.

That's my boys, make those Dems up for re-election in 2012 squirm, and make them own this monstrosity lock, stock and barrel.

And therein lies the rub. GOP doesn't care if it gets repealed. They just want to get the DEMS, and themselves on the record so they can win in 2012. Funny, the GOP was on the record for the WAR. A vote that actually KILLED people. The HC bill would have saved lives.....pathetic. This isn't about Healthcare....this is about reclaiming the White House.

[Rockindeano]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/01/5968112-senate-gop-to-try-to-force-health-care-repeal-vote-

GOP sources tell NBC News that Republican Leader Mitch McConnell will try to force a Senate vote on the House-passed motion to repeal the health care reform law this week. As early as today, McConnell will offer the repeal as an amendment to an unrelated aviation bill that the Senate is slated to consider this afternoon. McConnell has pledged to use the rules of the Senate to push for a vote on repeal, although Democrats have some procedural tools at their disposal that could be used to prevent a final vote. While it’s unlikely that the GOP will gain the Democratic support needed to garner enough votes for the measure to pass (and Obama could veto the measure even if it did), a repeal vote would force Democrats who are up for re-election in 2012 to go on the record in support of legislation which may not be popular in their home states.

That's my boys, make those Dems up for re-election in 2012 squirm, and make them own this monstrosity lock, stock and barrel.

Let me get this straight. You want "your boys" to make the Dems own this monstrosity, lock, stock and barrel?" A monstrosity that was "your boys" idea 14 years ago when Hillary tried to push her system through. YOUR plan was/is THIS plan, but all of a sudden, you want the Dems to "own it?"

I say "bring it on." The public will ultimately take this than nothing, because your "boys" have not offered up anything!

"Your Boys" make me sick, and "your boys" are ruining this nation.

Congratulations.

[Rockindeano]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/01/5968112-senate-gop-to-try-to-force-health-care-repeal-vote-

GOP sources tell NBC News that Republican Leader Mitch McConnell will try to force a Senate vote on the House-passed motion to repeal the health care reform law this week. As early as today, McConnell will offer the repeal as an amendment to an unrelated aviation bill that the Senate is slated to consider this afternoon. McConnell has pledged to use the rules of the Senate to push for a vote on repeal, although Democrats have some procedural tools at their disposal that could be used to prevent a final vote. While it’s unlikely that the GOP will gain the Democratic support needed to garner enough votes for the measure to pass (and Obama could veto the measure even if it did), a repeal vote would force Democrats who are up for re-election in 2012 to go on the record in support of legislation which may not be popular in their home states.

That's my boys, make those Dems up for re-election in 2012 squirm, and make them own this monstrosity lock, stock and barrel.

And therein lies the rub. GOP doesn't care if it gets repealed. They just want to get the DEMS, and themselves on the record so they can win in 2012. Funny, the GOP was on the record for the WAR. A vote that actually KILLED people. The HC bill would have saved lives.....pathetic. This isn't about Healthcare....this is about reclaiming the White House.

Helluva post Sean....all the way up to the very end. They aren't getting the White House. No fucking way in Hell does that happen, especially with the economy improving.

[treetopovskaya]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/01/5968112-senate-gop-to-try-to-force-health-care-repeal-vote-

GOP sources tell NBC News that Republican Leader Mitch McConnell will try to force a Senate vote on the House-passed motion to repeal the health care reform law this week. As early as today, McConnell will offer the repeal as an amendment to an unrelated aviation bill that the Senate is slated to consider this afternoon. McConnell has pledged to use the rules of the Senate to push for a vote on repeal, although Democrats have some procedural tools at their disposal that could be used to prevent a final vote. While it’s unlikely that the GOP will gain the Democratic support needed to garner enough votes for the measure to pass (and Obama could veto the measure even if it did), a repeal vote would force Democrats who are up for re-election in 2012 to go on the record in support of legislation which may not be popular in their home states.

That's my boys, make those Dems up for re-election in 2012 squirm, and make them own this monstrosity lock, stock and barrel.

Let me get this straight. You want "your boys" to make the Dems own this monstrosity, lock, stock and barrel?" A monstrosity that was "your boys" idea 14 years ago when Hillary tried to push her system through. YOUR plan was/is THIS plan, but all of a sudden, you want the Dems to "own it?"

I say "bring it on." The public will ultimately take this than nothing, because your "boys" have not offered up anything!

"Your Boys" make me sick, and "your boys" are ruining this nation.

Congratulations.

why wasn't the bill passed 14 years ago?

if it wasn't so great then why is it so awesome now?

anyway, i thought one of the reasons people didn't like this bill was because of all the hidden "goodies". if you're going to pass a hc bill... pass a straight bill... no hidden crap... & *READ* the whole bill.

[Behshad]

BTW Dean, if Obama loses Egypt to the Islamists, say sayanora to The Won who lost Egypt. Guaranteed!

Again, whats your suggestion? that we just go invade another country and start a new war ?

[Rockindeano]

why wasn't the bill passed 14 years ago?

Because Hillary was puching Universal Coverage, which is what I prefer. This current version was the republican model. The GOP of course would take this over anything Hillary or "Universal."

if it wasn't so great then why is it so awesome now?

It's far from awesome. I never said it was. it is decent, and could be so much better. This is the best Obama could have gotten from these shitheads.

anyway, i thought one of the reasons people didn't like this bill was because of all the hidden "goodies". if you're going to pass a hc bill... pass a straight bill... no hidden crap... & *READ* the whole bill.

People who don't like this bill are fucking hard headed retards, or tea partiers. There is NO reason to NOT like it. If you have your own coverage, NOTHING happens to you or your family, you keep your coverage. The Law itself will save a trillion dollars(CBO numbers, not mine), and it will not only provide essential service and care to 31 million folks, but it prevents anyone from being denied coverage due to pre existing concerns. There is NO reason for anyone to want to repeal this law, unless of course it can pump fear into people and tell them it's "scary," oh and also, for political reasoning. Let me be clear here. This is only being done(repeal attempt), for political posturing.

I NEVER said Obamacare was "awesome," but he damned sure was for having the stones to push it through.

[Saint John]

I think the bottom line is that we have to find a way to stop paying for the uninsured. The law needs to be changed and hospital doors need to be shut in their faces. They've failed this country, are complete embarrassments and should be treated as such. This excludes veterans, retards and those that have shown a propensity to work for at least 80% of their eligible work years (or having a spouse that did/does, in the case of a stay at home mom or dad). Those qualifying would have their spouse and/or children covered for a 2 year maximum. Next problem, please.

PS Illegal immigrants would not only be denied at hospitals, but they would be fingerprinted and deported. A second offense would find them imprisoned for 5 years and they would labor for free, allowing us to compete globally with the likes of China.

[Behshad]

I think the bottom line is that we have to find a way to stop paying for the uninsured. The law needs to be changed and hospital doors need to be shut in their faces. They've failed this country, are complete embarrassments and should be treated as such. This excludes veterans, retards and those that have shown a propensity to work for at least 80% of their eligible work years (or having a spouse that did/does, in the case of a stay at home mom or dad). Those qualifying would have their spouse and/or children covered for a 2 year maximum. Next problem, please.

This will give Stu DOUBLE COVERAGE

PS Illegal immigrants would not only be denied at hospitals, but they would be fingerprinted and deported. A second offense would find them imprisoned for 5 years and they would labor for free, allowing us to compete globally with the likes of China.

Now, this I agree with 100%.

[Saint John]

I think the bottom line is that we have to find a way to stop paying for the uninsured. The law needs to be changed and hospital doors need to be shut in their faces. They've failed this country, are complete embarrassments and should be treated as such. This excludes veterans, retards and those that have shown a propensity to work for at least 80% of their eligible work years (or having a spouse that did/does, in the case of a stay at home mom or dad). Those qualifying would have their spouse and/or children covered for a 2 year maximum. Next problem, please.

This will give Stu DOUBLE COVERAGE

Sorry, Stu, but that was fuckin' funny.

[RossValoryRocks]

There is NO reason to NOT like it.

Outside of the cost...the CBO scored this without inserting the "Doc Fix" for Medicare, and by double counting some revenues...far far too expensive. Oh yeah...it has a FOUR fucking year headstart on the taxes it uses...that and it is BLATANTLY Unconstitutional.

If you have your own coverage, NOTHING happens to you or your family, you keep your coverage.

Not 100% true...in testimony before the house last week one of Obama's people pulled back on this statement...his comment was, "That remains to be seen" or something along those lines.

The Law itself will save a trillion dollars(CBO numbers, not mine)

See above. Complete and utter bullshit. It also is scoring the bill WITHOUT the cost of the regulatory structure which has been written yet.

it prevents anyone from being denied coverage due to pre existing concerns.

This is the ONLY part I like.

There is NO reason for anyone to want to repeal this law, unless of course it can pump fear into people and tell them it's "scary," oh and also, for political reasoning.

I NEVER said Obamacare was "awesome," but he damned sure was for having the stones to push it through.

I am sure we could find where you laud it as being something close to awesome, even if you didn't use that exact word.

[Behshad]

I think the bottom line is that we have to find a way to stop paying for the uninsured. The law needs to be changed and hospital doors need to be shut in their faces. They've failed this country, are complete embarrassments and should be treated as such. This excludes veterans, retards and those that have shown a propensity to work for at least 80% of their eligible work years (or having a spouse that did/does, in the case of a stay at home mom or dad). Those qualifying would have their spouse and/or children covered for a 2 year maximum. Next problem, please.

This will give Stu DOUBLE COVERAGE

Sorry, Stu, but that was fuckin' funny.

Why apologize,,, he does have a sense of humor ,

[RossValoryRocks]

I think the bottom line is that we have to find a way to stop paying for the uninsured. The law needs to be changed and hospital doors need to be shut in their faces. They've failed this country, are complete embarrassments and should be treated as such. This excludes veterans, retards and those that have shown a propensity to work for at least 80% of their eligible work years (or having a spouse that did/does, in the case of a stay at home mom or dad). Those qualifying would have their spouse and/or children covered for a 2 year maximum. Next problem, please.

This will give Stu DOUBLE COVERAGE

Sorry, Stu, but that was fuckin' funny.

Why apologize,,, he does have a sense of humor ,

No I don't...not when it comes to you big mouth and writing checks with your mouth your ass can't cash.

[Behshad]

I think the bottom line is that we have to find a way to stop paying for the uninsured. The law needs to be changed and hospital doors need to be shut in their faces. They've failed this country, are complete embarrassments and should be treated as such. This excludes veterans, retards and those that have shown a propensity to work for at least 80% of their eligible work years (or having a spouse that did/does, in the case of a stay at home mom or dad). Those qualifying would have their spouse and/or children covered for a 2 year maximum. Next problem, please.

This will give Stu DOUBLE COVERAGE

Sorry, Stu, but that was fuckin' funny.

Why apologize,,, he does have a sense of humor ,

No I don't...not when it comes to you big mouth and writing checks with your mouth your ass can't cash.

Oh, the "FUCK YOU " PM wasnt enough ?? Hey if you dont have a sense of humor, then stay the fuck away from my posts and ignore them, got it ?

How many checks does your ass cash each week ?

[Don]

FIGHT!FIGHT! FIGHT!

[S2M]

Rockindeano wrote: it prevents anyone from being denied coverage due to pre existing concerns.
RVR Wrote: This is the ONLY part I like.
S2M Wrote: I can see if your retardation is a pre-existing condition why you would like this

[Don]

Rockindeano wrote: it prevents anyone from being denied coverage due to pre existing concerns.
RVR Wrote: This is the ONLY part I like.
S2M Wrote: I can see if your retardation is a pre-existing condition why you would like this

Are you writing checks too?
It's becoming a regular BOA around here.

[Behshad]

Rockindeano wrote: it prevents anyone from being denied coverage due to pre existing concerns.
RVR Wrote: This is the ONLY part I like.
S2M Wrote: I can see if your retardation is a pre-existing condition why you would like this

does your ass cash (out of state) checks ? If yes, then you're good to go !

[RossValoryRocks]

Rockindeano wrote: it prevents anyone from being denied coverage due to pre existing concerns.
RVR Wrote: This is the ONLY part I like.
S2M Wrote: I can see if your retardation is a pre-existing condition why you would like this

Coming from a panty waist like yourself, with a small dick (you did post the underwear picture) I consider it compliment.

[RossValoryRocks]

How many checks does your ass cash each week ?

I don't open mouth to someone who can break my legs on whim...so none.

[S2M]

How many checks does your ass cash each week ?

I don't open mouth to someone who can break my legs on whim...so none.

Dude, I can make ONE phone call and have your furniture re-arranged....don't push me.

[Don]

How many checks does your ass cash each week ?

I don't open mouth to someone who can break my legs on whim...so none.

Dude, I can make ONE phone call and have your furniture re-arranged....don't push me.

Who you gonna call, Tito?

[RossValoryRocks]

How many checks does your ass cash each week ?

I don't open mouth to someone who can break my legs on whim...so none.

Dude, I can make ONE phone call and have your furniture re-arranged....don't push me.

PLEASE do...just give time to stock the body bags I will need.

Tiny dick...you should just STFU now.

[Behshad]

How many checks does your ass cash each week ?

I don't open mouth to someone who can break my legs on whim...so none.

back to highschool I see... Grow the fuck up !!
Get a grip dude,,, youre old enough to be able to understand that anytime people pick on you or dont agree with your political views, you shouldnt play the "Im bigger and I can kick your ass " card... Its getting old man... And you deny that your a hot-head?? seriously ??

[S2M]

How many checks does your ass cash each week ?

I don't open mouth to someone who can break my legs on whim...so none.

I know a couple of gay guys that couldn't break your legs.....

[Memorex]

I'm loving the new civility.