OFFICIAL 2010-2011 NFL season & predictions thread:

[Rockindeano]

Speaking of the Steelers....they were lucky even to win the AFC north. Stevie Johnson doesn't drop that GIMME in OT. Pitt doesn't win the North, and limps into the playoffs on the ROAD.

Yeah, and if Orenthal would have got on the plane that night, Ron and Nicole might still be alive. Your reasoning is bewildering.

[S2M]

Speaking of the Steelers....they were lucky even to win the AFC north. Stevie Johnson doesn't drop that GIMME in OT. Pitt doesn't win the North, and limps into the playoffs on the ROAD.

Yeah, and if Orenthal would have got on the plane that night, Ron and Nicole might still be alive. Your reasoning is bewildering.

Wrong. Because we know how the rest of the season played out. Ravens tied for best record, but Pitt owned the tiebreaker. Therefore if Pitt loses to Buffalo they have one less win and Pitt loses AFC north title....

If the case of OJ, he may have gotten on that plane that night, and Ron and Nicole may still have been killed. Two different examples that you are trying to equivocate, Dean...

You are commiting the fallacy of affirming the consequent...

[Rockindeano]

Speaking of the Steelers....they were lucky even to win the AFC north. Stevie Johnson doesn't drop that GIMME in OT. Pitt doesn't win the North, and limps into the playoffs on the ROAD.

Yeah, and if Orenthal would have got on the plane that night, Ron and Nicole might still be alive. Your reasoning is bewildering.

Wrong. Because we know how the rest of the season played out. Ravens tied for best record, but Pitt owned the tiebreaker. Therefore if Pitt loses to Buffalo they have one less win and Pitt loses AFC north title....

If the case of OJ, he may have gotten on that plane that night, and Ron and Nicole may still have been killed. Two different examples that you are trying to equivocate, Dean...

You are commiting the fallacy of affirming the consequent...

Yeah, so what? Your "reasoning" has more flaws than Ross Valory's bass playing.

[S2M]

So let me get this straight. You don't deny affirming the consequent, but MY reasoning is flawed. WOW.

[Enigma869]

And Detroit ranked 23rd in rushing defense....hardly spectacular. Other than the rookie awards, and MAYBE Coach of the Year....all the other awards should be given to players whose teams made the playoffs...always been my contention. Kind of like Paul Hornung, who won the Heisman in the 50s on 2-8 team! Are you fucking kidding me? Nobody should get an award from a 6-10 team. Ever.

Stupid argument. If you're making an MVP argument, then I'm with you 100%. I thought it was absurd when AROD won the MVP on a last place Rangers team. How "valuable" can a guy be if you're a last place team with him. I'm fairly certain that they could have finished last without any of his help. If it's an individual award, it's ridiculous to penalize an otherwise great player or good player who had a great season, just because the owner didn't surround him with any talent.

[S2M]

And Detroit ranked 23rd in rushing defense....hardly spectacular. Other than the rookie awards, and MAYBE Coach of the Year....all the other awards should be given to players whose teams made the playoffs...always been my contention. Kind of like Paul Hornung, who won the Heisman in the 50s on 2-8 team! Are you fucking kidding me? Nobody should get an award from a 6-10 team. Ever.

Stupid argument. If you're making an MVP argument, then I'm with you 100%. I thought it was absurd when AROD won the MVP on a last place Rangers team. How "valuable" can a guy be if you're a last place team with him. I'm fairly certain that they could have finished last without any of his help. If it's an individual award, it's ridiculous to penalize an otherwise great player or good player who had a great season, just because the owner didn't surround him with any talent.

Well the point is that Suh didn't lead rookies in tackles, Devin did. Just pointing out facts, son... And on top of that I'll take 7 INTs out of 17 passes defended over 10 sacks. An INT is a TO, a sack is...well...a sack.

[YoungJRNY]

Speaking of the Steelers....they were lucky even to win the AFC north. Stevie Johnson doesn't drop that GIMME in OT. Pitt doesn't win the North, and limps into the playoffs on the ROAD.

Yeah, and if Orenthal would have got on the plane that night, Ron and Nicole might still be alive. Your reasoning is bewildering.

Wrong. Because we know how the rest of the season played out. Ravens tied for best record, but Pitt owned the tiebreaker. Therefore if Pitt loses to Buffalo they have one less win and Pitt loses AFC north title....

If the case of OJ, he may have gotten on that plane that night, and Ron and Nicole may still have been killed. Two different examples that you are trying to equivocate, Dean...

You are commiting the fallacy of affirming the consequent...

But.. but.. but he dropped the ball. Moot point The Ravens also beat Pitt without Ben in the lineup and didn't Carson Palmer miss a wide open Cedric Benson in week 17 on a screen pass to beat Balty? The situation is now even.

As far as Suh, again, it's two different situations when it's covering two different positions and the teams they both played for. Since Suh had such a monumental year and was disruptive on a team that wasn't even in contention is impressive since Suh is a building block and a franchise player. McCourty had a good year, noones taking that away from him but you could also say he was suspect of one of the worst pass defense's in the league and he notched most of those tackles with passes being thrown his way, hence more opportunities to come away with a pick. I've heard a LOT of Suh this year in the national media, never McCourty. This may be one of your "popular picks" categories. Every players has stats that work in their favor but it has to go to someone. Suh is a perfect candidate but we'll see. Whoever gets it, deserves it.

[S2M]

I also don't agree with Belichick as the Coach of the year, although I see why they thought he was...I would have voted for MM, or TH.

Francona deserved the MLB COY last year but didn't get it....Sox won 89 games with scrubs in the lineup for 3/4s of the season. Again, I don't quite buy that coaching has ANYTHING to do with wins in baseball. Other than knowing/not knowing when to pull a pitcher. I think Ron Washington won AL COY, in my opinion he had a great season. But Terry had WAY less to work with.

[Rockindeano]

I also don't agree with Belichick as the Coach of the year, although I see why they thought he was...I would have voted for MM, or TH.

Francona deserved the MLB COY last year but didn't get it....Sox won 89 games with scrubs in the lineup for 3/4s of the season. Again, I don't quite buy that coaching has ANYTHING to do with wins in baseball. Other than knowing/not knowing when to pull a pitcher. I think Ron Washington won AL COY, in my opinion he had a great season. But Terry had WAY less to work with.

Fuck you're one biased sob. Cito Gaston outcoached Francona and only finished 3 games behind Boston last year.

[S2M]

I also don't agree with Belichick as the Coach of the year, although I see why they thought he was...I would have voted for MM, or TH.

Francona deserved the MLB COY last year but didn't get it....Sox won 89 games with scrubs in the lineup for 3/4s of the season. Again, I don't quite buy that coaching has ANYTHING to do with wins in baseball. Other than knowing/not knowing when to pull a pitcher. I think Ron Washington won AL COY, in my opinion he had a great season. But Terry had WAY less to work with.

Fuck you're one biased sob. Cito Gaston outcoached Francona and only finished 3 games behind Boston last year.

Sox had close to 900 Man Games lost last year due to injury. Good enough for 1st or 2nd in the league. How did Cito Gaston outcoach Francona? 89 games with Youkilis, Cameron, Varitek, Ellsbury, and Pedroia out for 3/4s of the season. There's not one other person who follows sports on this board that is going to agree with you. I'd bet anything that JFB agrees with me 100%. And he hates me.

[Rockindeano]

There's not one other person who follows sports on this board that is going to agree with you.

Thanks for setting this up on a tee for me.

I can guarantee you that if you were to run a poll on your statement about the Board agreeing with me or you, I would carry 85% or more of the vote. NO ONE ever agrees with you! Douche. Sure, you'll carry the Lynn and Melissa vote, but no real sports fan is going to agree with you here, not one.

[Enigma869]

I also don't agree with Belichick as the Coach of the year, although I see why they thought he was...I would have voted for MM, or TH.

Francona deserved the MLB COY last year but didn't get it....Sox won 89 games with scrubs in the lineup for 3/4s of the season. Again, I don't quite buy that coaching has ANYTHING to do with wins in baseball. Other than knowing/not knowing when to pull a pitcher. I think Ron Washington won AL COY, in my opinion he had a great season. But Terry had WAY less to work with.

Two points...teams like the Red Sox and Yankees don't ever deserve to have Coach of the Year winners. I don't think Torre ever won it, and he did a lot of winning in NY. When you have the payroll that those teams have, you are expected to win, period, end of story. As for Belichick, I absolutely thought he deserved it. Coming into the football season, I wasn't sure the Patriots would win more than 9 games. There isn't a single national football writer who picked the Patriots to win anything close to the 14 games they won. Belichick did a great job with the youngest team in the NFL. When it comes right down to it, the only above average players (non-rookies) that the Patriots have on their entire roster are Brady, Wilfork, Welker, Mayo and Mankins. That's really not much, when you compare it against other teams in the league. They need a really strong draft in April and absolutely MUST pick up a dominant pass rusher and a real WR.

[Melissa]

There's not one other person who follows sports on this board that is going to agree with you.

Thanks for setting this up on a tee for me.

I can guarantee you that if you were to run a poll on your statement about the Board agreeing with me or you, I would carry 85% or more of the vote. NO ONE ever agrees with you! Douche. Sure, you'll carry the Lynn and Melissa vote, but no real sports fan is going to agree with you here, not one.

You know I never read this thread unless 1) it's ridiculously boring everywhere else on here or now 2) someone tells me my name is in it? He does not have my vote because I don't give a crap about sports! What is your issue? We've met him all of twice, and happen to think he's a nice person just like everyone else I've met on here that may not come across on here so nice, but that's not the case in person, lol. I don't give a shit what other people's opinions of someone are, if they don't like someone and think that person is an asshole, fine. I don't care. I form my OWN opinions about people without listening to OTHER people's shit or gossip. So what?

[conversationpc]

Francona deserved the MLB COY last year but didn't get it....Sox won 89 games with scrubs in the lineup for 3/4s of the season. Again, I don't quite buy that coaching has ANYTHING to do with wins in baseball. Other than knowing/not knowing when to pull a pitcher. I think Ron Washington won AL COY, in my opinion he had a great season. But Terry had WAY less to work with.

Two points...teams like the Red Sox and Yankees don't ever deserve to have Coach of the Year winners. I don't think Torre ever won it, and he did a lot of winning in NY. When you have the payroll that those teams have, you are expected to win, period, end of story.

I agree with Sean on this one. True, if the Red Sox had won last year with their best players in the lineup, that would probably have diminished Francona's role. However, I think because of how well the team performed without several starters for large portions of the year, he probably deserved more consideration.

[YoungJRNY]

I can't believe Mike Tomlin didn't atleast get ONE vote for COTY. Having to deal with yet another off-season distraction with allegations of his quarterback, only to lose him for the first full month of the season, which forces him to go out and re-acquire Byron Leftwhich, which meant Charlie Batch was the odd man out and seemly got 0 snaps with the team leading into the preseason. The team groomed Dixon and Leftwhich all camp long to be the starting QB. Leftwhich was finally set to be the starter in week 4 of the preseason but goes down with an ankle injury in the last game of the preseason, one week before the regular season, forcing Dixon into the starting lineup only to now get Batch ready if Dixon falters or gets hurt.

After that, the Steelers lose one of their best offensive lineman in starting right guard Willie Colon to an off-season workout and put him on IR. Dixon barely gets through game one and starts week 2, only to see HIM go down with an injury, who goes on IR. That now forces old-man Charlie Batch, who was never even looked at, to come in and finish the last 2 games, one being a division rival in Baltimore.

The Steelers went 3-1 during that stretch (everyone predicted 0-4 or 1-3 without Ben) and then lost their starting left tackle, offensive lineman and veteran team leader Max Starks. The ONLY player who has played the entire season at their set position on the offensive line was ROOKIE center Pouncey, who is now OUT of the Super Bowl with a high ankle sprain while the Steelers are on their 9th offensive line rotation of the season. Not only that, but the Steelers had to deal with losing BOTH of their dominate defensive ends practically all season in Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith, with Keisel returning just recently while Smith has been out since October. Polamalu also missed some games this season on the defense as well.

Not one vote for Tomlin? Ohwell.

[Enigma869]

I agree with Sean on this one. True, if the Red Sox had won last year with their best players in the lineup, that would probably have diminished Francona's role. However, I think because of how well the team performed without several starters for large portions of the year, he probably deserved more consideration.

I've been a Red Sox fan as long as I've had oxygen in my lungs. I'm certainly well aware at how many key guys that weren't in the Sox lineup last season, but if we're going to give Francona credit for piecing together a patchwork lineup, then we also have to give him shit for an embarrassing pitching staff that WOEFULLY underperformed. Beckett was fucking dreadful and so was Lackey. They also had one of the worse bullpens in the majors last season. Again, if we're handing out credit, then it's not without blame for the under performing parts of that team that I saw on a nightly basis. I promise you that Francona will get a whole lot of shit if this Sox team doesn't win it all. On paper, it's beyond stacked and I would be stunned if another team in the majors is able to compete with what the Red Sox will be sending out on the field.

[Enigma869]

I can't believe Mike Tomlin didn't atleast get ONE vote for COTY. Having to deal with yet another off-season distraction with allegations of his quarterback, only to lose him for the first full month of the season, which forces him to go out and re-acquire Byron Leftwhich, which meant Charlie Batch was the odd man out and seemly got 0 snaps with the team leading into the preseason. The team groomed Dixon and Leftwhich all camp long to be the starting QB. Leftwhich was finally set to be the starter in week 4 of the preseason but goes down with an ankle injury in the last game of the preseason, one week before the regular season, forcing Dixon into the starting lineup only to now get Batch ready if Dixon falters or gets hurt.

After that, the Steelers lose one of their best offensive lineman in starting right guard Willie Colon to an off-season workout and put him on IR. Dixon barely gets through game one and starts week 2, only to see HIM go down with an injury, who goes on IR. That now forces old-man Charlie Batch, who was never even looked at, to come in and finish the last 2 games, one being a division rival in Baltimore.

The Steelers went 3-1 during that stretch (everyone predicted 0-4 or 1-3 without Ben) and then lost their starting left tackle, offensive lineman and veteran team leader Max Starks. The ONLY player who has played the entire season at their set position on the offensive line was ROOKIE center Pouncey, who is now OUT of the Super Bowl with a high ankle sprain while the Steelers are on their 9th offensive line rotation of the season. Not only that, but the Steelers had to deal with losing BOTH of their dominate defensive ends practically all season in Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith, with Keisel returning just recently while Smith has been out since October. Polamalu also missed some games this season on the defense as well.

Not one vote for Tomlin? Ohwell.

You do know that writers in Pittsburgh have a vote too, right? For what it's worth, I like Tomlin and think he's a very good coach. That said, Pittsburgh was winning before Tomlin ever got there with players who were already there, so he's never going to get a whole lot of credit. Also, Pittsburgh is a veteran team who has had success, so there really wasn't any reason for them not to keep winning. The fact that he didn't get a single vote tells me that he met the expectations. Even though I didn't think the Steelers would be 3-1 without Ben, I was confident that they would be .500. When you have the defense Pittsburgh has, you win games, period.

[YoungJRNY]

I can't believe Mike Tomlin didn't atleast get ONE vote for COTY. Having to deal with yet another off-season distraction with allegations of his quarterback, only to lose him for the first full month of the season, which forces him to go out and re-acquire Byron Leftwhich, which meant Charlie Batch was the odd man out and seemly got 0 snaps with the team leading into the preseason. The team groomed Dixon and Leftwhich all camp long to be the starting QB. Leftwhich was finally set to be the starter in week 4 of the preseason but goes down with an ankle injury in the last game of the preseason, one week before the regular season, forcing Dixon into the starting lineup only to now get Batch ready if Dixon falters or gets hurt.

After that, the Steelers lose one of their best offensive lineman in starting right guard Willie Colon to an off-season workout and put him on IR. Dixon barely gets through game one and starts week 2, only to see HIM go down with an injury, who goes on IR. That now forces old-man Charlie Batch, who was never even looked at, to come in and finish the last 2 games, one being a division rival in Baltimore.

The Steelers went 3-1 during that stretch (everyone predicted 0-4 or 1-3 without Ben) and then lost their starting left tackle, offensive lineman and veteran team leader Max Starks. The ONLY player who has played the entire season at their set position on the offensive line was ROOKIE center Pouncey, who is now OUT of the Super Bowl with a high ankle sprain while the Steelers are on their 9th offensive line rotation of the season. Not only that, but the Steelers had to deal with losing BOTH of their dominate defensive ends practically all season in Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith, with Keisel returning just recently while Smith has been out since October. Polamalu also missed some games this season on the defense as well.

Not one vote for Tomlin? Ohwell.

You do know that writers in Pittsburgh have a vote too, right? For what it's worth, I like Tomlin and think he's a very good coach. That said, Pittsburgh was winning before Tomlin ever got there with players who were already there, so he's never going to get a whole lot of credit. Also, Pittsburgh is a veteran team who has had success, so there really wasn't any reason for them not to keep winning. The fact that he didn't get a single vote tells me that he met the expectations. Even though I didn't think the Steelers would be 3-1 without Ben, I was confident that they would be .500. When you have the defense Pittsburgh has, you win games, period.

Fair enough but a coach ALWAYS has to react accordingly at the task at hand, and Tomlin had a big time mess to deal with all season long, starting with Ben, losing most of his offensive lineman, and being forced to mix and match players who never even played that select position that was givin. In the New England game, Hines said the line rotation got so bad and they were out of options, but Tomlin told him to be prepared to play Tight End! But, since the defense is so dominant, again, fair enough and good point.

[StevePerryHair]

There's not one other person who follows sports on this board that is going to agree with you.

Thanks for setting this up on a tee for me.

I can guarantee you that if you were to run a poll on your statement about the Board agreeing with me or you, I would carry 85% or more of the vote. NO ONE ever agrees with you! Douche. Sure, you'll carry the Lynn and Melissa vote, but no real sports fan is going to agree with you here, not one.

This is funny! I have a feeling that Sean laughed his ass off at the thought of me agreeing with him on ANYTHING involving sports You must not read all of my posts! I am always on his back for is "bad calls" crap and ref stuff. I'm not nice about it usually either! I really am not sure why you'd say I'd agree here. It seems to involve Boston? I don't follow sports enough to qualify on this one! I just follow my own teams. I'm not a guy, so I don't follow what every team and player is doing. I only interject in this thread normally when I want to poke fun at someone, or when it's a team that I care about... ie the Steelers.

[Ehwmatt]

I can't believe Mike Tomlin didn't atleast get ONE vote for COTY. Having to deal with yet another off-season distraction with allegations of his quarterback, only to lose him for the first full month of the season, which forces him to go out and re-acquire Byron Leftwhich, which meant Charlie Batch was the odd man out and seemly got 0 snaps with the team leading into the preseason. The team groomed Dixon and Leftwhich all camp long to be the starting QB. Leftwhich was finally set to be the starter in week 4 of the preseason but goes down with an ankle injury in the last game of the preseason, one week before the regular season, forcing Dixon into the starting lineup only to now get Batch ready if Dixon falters or gets hurt.

After that, the Steelers lose one of their best offensive lineman in starting right guard Willie Colon to an off-season workout and put him on IR. Dixon barely gets through game one and starts week 2, only to see HIM go down with an injury, who goes on IR. That now forces old-man Charlie Batch, who was never even looked at, to come in and finish the last 2 games, one being a division rival in Baltimore.

The Steelers went 3-1 during that stretch (everyone predicted 0-4 or 1-3 without Ben) and then lost their starting left tackle, offensive lineman and veteran team leader Max Starks. The ONLY player who has played the entire season at their set position on the offensive line was ROOKIE center Pouncey, who is now OUT of the Super Bowl with a high ankle sprain while the Steelers are on their 9th offensive line rotation of the season. Not only that, but the Steelers had to deal with losing BOTH of their dominate defensive ends practically all season in Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith, with Keisel returning just recently while Smith has been out since October. Polamalu also missed some games this season on the defense as well.

Not one vote for Tomlin? Ohwell.

You do know that writers in Pittsburgh have a vote too, right? For what it's worth, I like Tomlin and think he's a very good coach. That said, Pittsburgh was winning before Tomlin ever got there with players who were already there, so he's never going to get a whole lot of credit. Also, Pittsburgh is a veteran team who has had success, so there really wasn't any reason for them not to keep winning. The fact that he didn't get a single vote tells me that he met the expectations. Even though I didn't think the Steelers would be 3-1 without Ben, I was confident that they would be .500. When you have the defense Pittsburgh has, you win games, period.

Fair enough but a coach ALWAYS has to react accordingly at the task at hand, and Tomlin had a big time mess to deal with all season long, starting with Ben, losing most of his offensive lineman, and being forced to mix and match players who never even played that select position that was givin. In the New England game, Hines said the line rotation got so bad and they were out of options, but Tomlin told him to be prepared to play Tight End! But, since the defense is so dominant, again, fair enough and good point.

Tomlin for coach of the year? No thanks. He reminds me of the guy from office space who sells magazines door-to-door and they try and get him to teach them about money laundering. Now, Dick LeBeau for CotY? I'd buy that!

[mikemarrs]

I can't believe Mike Tomlin didn't atleast get ONE vote for COTY. Having to deal with yet another off-season distraction with allegations of his quarterback, only to lose him for the first full month of the season, which forces him to go out and re-acquire Byron Leftwhich, which meant Charlie Batch was the odd man out and seemly got 0 snaps with the team leading into the preseason. The team groomed Dixon and Leftwhich all camp long to be the starting QB. Leftwhich was finally set to be the starter in week 4 of the preseason but goes down with an ankle injury in the last game of the preseason, one week before the regular season, forcing Dixon into the starting lineup only to now get Batch ready if Dixon falters or gets hurt.

After that, the Steelers lose one of their best offensive lineman in starting right guard Willie Colon to an off-season workout and put him on IR. Dixon barely gets through game one and starts week 2, only to see HIM go down with an injury, who goes on IR. That now forces old-man Charlie Batch, who was never even looked at, to come in and finish the last 2 games, one being a division rival in Baltimore.

The Steelers went 3-1 during that stretch (everyone predicted 0-4 or 1-3 without Ben) and then lost their starting left tackle, offensive lineman and veteran team leader Max Starks. The ONLY player who has played the entire season at their set position on the offensive line was ROOKIE center Pouncey, who is now OUT of the Super Bowl with a high ankle sprain while the Steelers are on their 9th offensive line rotation of the season. Not only that, but the Steelers had to deal with losing BOTH of their dominate defensive ends practically all season in Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith, with Keisel returning just recently while Smith has been out since October. Polamalu also missed some games this season on the defense as well.

Not one vote for Tomlin? Ohwell.

i was just about to point that out.at the beginning of the season a lot of people were picking the steelers to have a down year especially with big ben out for a quarter of the season.i remember thinking the ravens and bengals would both be better and the steelers might go 8-8 or 9-7 but i was wrong and quite a bit of the media were too.i just got through reading an article on mike tomlin that was quite good.here it is......


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/ ... id=6083284

[Rockindeano]

Tomlin for coach of the year? No thanks. He reminds me of the guy from office space who sells magazines door-to-door and they try and get him to teach them about money laundering. Now, Dick LeBeau for CotY? I'd buy that!

LMFAO....spot on dude! That was when Lawrence I think his name was, sits next door watching Stern and telling Peter Man that the breast exams are on!

I DO agree with Trav here. Tomlin did a Helluva job. Without Rapistberger for four games and he went on to win the division and conference? I would give Tomlin the vote over BB. But of course, according to S2M, NO ONE here agrees with my sports takes, only his.

Belichik is awesome...but Tomlin I think did more with less. I think NE is the better team vs Pittsburgh and they proved that by thumping the piss out of them in PGH too. However, PGH is still playing and NE isn't.

I would have voted Tomlin 1st, BB 2nd and Ryan 3rd. KC's coach whoever that is, would have to be in there too.

[S2M]

What I said, smeg breath, is that no one would argue that Francona didn't do more with less last year. You still don't get the concept of close to 900 missed man games, do you? That would be like the Yankees missing Jeter, Texeira, Cano, Garnderson, and Posada for most of the year - but still winning 89 games. Cito Gaston hasn't been relevant since the days of Juan Guzman. Growing up, the TWO pitchers the Sox could never seem to beat were Guzman, and Dave Stewart....

[Rockindeano]

What I said, smeg breath, is that no one would argue that Francona didn't do more with less last year. You still don't get the concept of close to 900 missed man games, do you? That would be like the Yankees missing Jeter, Texeira, Cano, Garnderson, and Posada for most of the year - but still winning 89 games. Cito Gaston hasn't been relevant since the days of Juan Guzman. Growing up, the TWO pitchers the Sox could never seem to beat were Guzman, and Dave Stewart....

Gee, look at S2M coming up with MORE excuses...it never ends.

Like you said, NO ONE here agrees with my sports opinions, only yours.

Dude, NO ONE here agrees with ANY of your takes. EVERYONE here thinks you are the shittiest sports fan they have ever known. Present ONE person here who respects your takes, just one. I'll wait.

Douche. Even your NE brethren, 7 and JFB think you are the worst, the bottom feeding worst...you're a fuckin carp, eating sewage shit, seeping that shit through your plugged up gills, and shitting it back into the water, and then eating it again and again. You are the most pathetic sports fan in the fucking nation.

Blame, blame blame, complain complain complain. Whine whine whine. - S2M

Yup, you sure informed us thusly. Now shut the fuck up.

Oh by the way, fuck being nice to you, you fuckin depressed bitter cold bastard. I have never seen anyone more miserable in my life.

[S2M]

Red Sox 2010 Opening Day Starting Lineup

Games missed in ()


Jacoby Ellsbury(144)
Dustin Pedroia(87)
Victor Martinez(35)
Kevin Youkilis(60)
David Ortiz(17)
Adrian Beltre(8 games)
J.D. Drew(23)
Mike Cameron(114)
Marco Scutaro(30)

[S2M]

Francona deserved the MLB COY last year but didn't get it....Sox won 89 games with scrubs in the lineup for 3/4s of the season. Again, I don't quite buy that coaching has ANYTHING to do with wins in baseball. Other than knowing/not knowing when to pull a pitcher. I think Ron Washington won AL COY, in my opinion he had a great season. But Terry had WAY less to work with.

Two points...teams like the Red Sox and Yankees don't ever deserve to have Coach of the Year winners. I don't think Torre ever won it, and he did a lot of winning in NY. When you have the payroll that those teams have, you are expected to win, period, end of story.

I agree with Sean on this one. True, if the Red Sox had won last year with their best players in the lineup, that would probably have diminished Francona's role. However, I think because of how well the team performed without several starters for large portions of the year, he probably deserved more consideration.

Here's one, Dean....and I never said nobody agrees with your sports takes. Talk about cherry-picking? You are the king. What I said was that presented with the evidence I've given - there's nobody who could come to any other conclusion then what I've said. You have these people drinking your kool-aid. Especially the board alkies....I knew your nice guy routine was a farce. You are one fucked-up, despicable human being, Dean. Bipolar, alcoholic, addict....and probably a whole lot more. I bet I could take my copy of the DSM IV, randomly open any page and find a neurosis that you suffer from....Kindly fuck off, buddy. I suggest you start taking advantage of your company's mental health plan.....

[Enigma869]

Red Sox 2010 Opening Day Starting Lineup

Games missed in ()


Jacoby Ellsbury(144)
Dustin Pedroia(87)
Victor Martinez(35)
Kevin Youkilis(60)
David Ortiz(17)
Adrian Beltre(8 games)
J.D. Drew(23)
Mike Cameron(114)
Marco Scutaro(30)

A couple of observations. Cameron is 100 and sucks. Scutaro sucks and was a bad signing. As for J.D. Drew....that fucker misses at least 25 games EVERY season, so there isn't much of a news story there. I certainly wouldn't disagree (and said as much last baseball season) that the Red Sox winning 89 games last season was remarkable, considering the games missed by Youkilis, Pedroia and Ellsbury.

[conversationpc]

A couple of observations. Cameron is 100 and sucks. Scutaro sucks and was a bad signing. As for J.D. Drew....that fucker misses at least 25 games EVERY season, so there isn't much of a news story there. I certainly wouldn't disagree (and said as much last baseball season) that the Red Sox winning 89 games last season was remarkable, considering the games missed by Youkilis, Pedroia and Ellsbury.

Cameron was certainly a bad signing, in my opinion. I disagree on Scutaro, though. However, for this year, I'd like to see them move him along and give Lowrie a chance to play full time instead.

[YoungJRNY]

Lmao, in one thread we got Dean and S2M on the verge of a wedding meeting up and taking down some brews, and in here they are at each others throats on the verge of potential homicide and very unnecessary, personal insults. Hell, we even have a cameo by the sweet MEL here dropping a couple cuss words! Whatever happens in the NFL thread, stays in the NFL thread!

[Melissa]

Lmao, in one thread we got Dean and S2M on the verge of a wedding meeting up and taking down some brews, and in here they are at each others throats on the verge of potential homicide and very unnecessary, personal insults. Hell, we even have a cameo by the sweet MEL here dropping a couple cuss words! Whatever happens in the NFL thread, stays in the NFL thread!

I know right? I just have a habit of not judging people based on stupid message board banter, no matter how dumb they may sound!