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Postby slucero » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:19 pm

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S2M wrote:If not one person in Washington read every page in the bill, except the drawers of the thing....do the 'constituents' reallt have enough information to honestly come to a conclusion if they want it of not? Politicians cherry-picking individual parts of the bill to scare the american public. There's that rethug 'fear' thing again....


If that's the case, why are they even voting on the damn thing to begin with, Republicans and Democrats included? How can you then just bash the Republicans for voting against it while, at the same time, not bashing the Democrats for voting for it?


Stop trying to change the topic at hand. Sean made the point. The GOP did in fact cherry pick the fuckin bill and did set out to scare people.


Not changing the topic at all. He's castigating the Republicans for not voting for something they didn't read but saying nothing about the Democrats also voting on the bill and NOT HAVING READ IT.

You should be fucking ashamed to be associated with that scumbag party.


I'm not associated with that scumbag party or the other scumbag party, namely the Democrats. Fortunately, in Indiana, you do not have to register a party and that is just fine with me. In the last election, in ten contested races, I voted for six Republicans (none for any of the major seats in Congress, mind you), three Libertarians, and one Democrat. Unlike others, I actually put some research into the folks I voted for rather than intellectually copping out and voting a straight party ticket.

They completely made up, lied and fabricated, Death Panels. Do tell me David, that the GOP, namely Boehner and Palin, didn't go on the trail with the point of scaring people, namely seniors, who vote by the way, about NON EXISTANT Death Panels? Hell, even Donna, who is not old and is here at MR, believes Death Panels are part of the Law. That is fucked up.


You actually pay very little attention to anything posted here, do you? I don't believe death panels were or are part of the law. I've said it before on here and I'm saying it again now. Pay attention this time. Go ask someone who believes it, 'cause it ain't me.


Fuck you. You know why I say that? Because Goddammit, you are fair. Very fair. I have to give it to you David, out of all these righties, you are the most level headed bastard on here. Finder is a righty, straight ticket righty, Scotty is a Rush follower, and Slucero is a died in the wool Pubby. I still like all those fucks though, I really do. Oh I forgot, Dan is a sensationalist Pub, meaning he will say whatever the Hell will offend someone the worst way, and I respect that actually. :roll: :twisted: :D

I don't hate any of the Pubbies here, but I loather the Party. IF and I emphasize if, the Democrats had a backbone like I do, they wouldn't fuckin lose, ever. That's one thing I do have, in addition to horrible etiquette, boogars, pee stains, skid marks, bitch tits, and all that good stuff, I do have a backbone. Ask Steve Augeri about that. That fake rock star. Goddammit now I am pissed just thinking about that bastard who ruined my favorite band.


Deano, if you couldn't shit out your ass you'd still be able to shit... just by opening your mouth....


I'm no fucking Republican, I'm more Libertarian than anything...

I believe in small government, balanced budgets, a womans' right to choose, repeal of DADT, and the Constitution (as written). As exemplified by their actions.. NEITHER Dems or Reps believe in that....


Everybody you disagree with you stick in the "same box".... yet YOU align yourself with the "Party of diversity"...

Grow up hypocrite

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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:53 am

Hmmm... Anyone have any theories why this may be?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rets.html#

WikiLeaks cables: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

The US secretly agreed to give the Russians sensitive information on Britain’s nuclear deterrent to persuade them to sign a key treaty, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

HMS Vanguard is Britain's lead Trident-armed submarine. The US, under a nuclear deal, has agreed to give the Kremlin the serial numbers of the missiles it gives Britain Information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Britain will be given to Russia as part of an arms control deal signed by President Barack Obama next week.

Defence analysts claim the agreement risks undermining Britain’s policy of refusing to confirm the exact size of its nuclear arsenal.

The fact that the Americans used British nuclear secrets as a bargaining chip also sheds new light on the so-called “special relationship”, which is shown often to be a one-sided affair by US diplomatic communications obtained by the WikiLeaks website.

Details of the behind-the-scenes talks are contained in more than 1,400 US embassy cables published to date by the Telegraph, including almost 800 sent from the London Embassy, which are published online today. The documents also show that:

• America spied on Foreign Office ministers by gathering gossip on their private lives and professional relationships.

• Intelligence-sharing arrangements with the US became strained after the controversy over Binyam Mohamed, the former Guantánamo Bay detainee who sued the Government over his alleged torture.

• David Miliband disowned the Duchess of York by saying she could not “be controlled” after she made an undercover TV documentary.

• Tens of millions of pounds of overseas aid was stolen and spent on plasma televisions and luxury goods by corrupt regimes.

A series of classified messages sent to Washington by US negotiators show how information on Britain’s nuclear capability was crucial to securing Russia’s support for the “New START” deal.

Although the treaty was not supposed to have any impact on Britain, the leaked cables show that Russia used the talks to demand more information about the UK’s Trident missiles, which are manufactured and maintained in the US.

Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of UK missiles. The UK refused, but the US agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain.

Professor Malcolm Chalmers said: “This appears to be significant because while the UK has announced how many missiles it possesses, there has been no way for the Russians to verify this. Over time, the unique identifiers will provide them with another data point to gauge the size of the British arsenal.”

Duncan Lennox, editor of Jane’s Strategic Weapons Systems, said: “They want to find out whether Britain has more missiles than we say we have, and having the unique identifiers might help them.”

While the US and Russia have long permitted inspections of each other’s nuclear weapons, Britain has sought to maintain some secrecy to compensate for the relatively small size of its arsenal.

William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, last year disclosed that “up to 160” warheads are operational at any one time, but did not confirm the number of missiles.
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Postby donnaplease » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:53 am

Rockindeano wrote:
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S2M wrote:If not one person in Washington read every page in the bill, except the drawers of the thing....do the 'constituents' reallt have enough information to honestly come to a conclusion if they want it of not? Politicians cherry-picking individual parts of the bill to scare the american public. There's that rethug 'fear' thing again....


If that's the case, why are they even voting on the damn thing to begin with, Republicans and Democrats included? How can you then just bash the Republicans for voting against it while, at the same time, not bashing the Democrats for voting for it?


Stop trying to change the topic at hand. Sean made the point. The GOP did in fact cherry pick the fuckin bill and did set out to scare people. They completely made up, lied and fabricated, Death Panels. You should be fucking ashamed to be associated with that scumbag party. Do tell me David, that the GOP, namely Boehner and Palin, didn't go on the trail with the point of scaring people, namely seniors, who vote by the way, about NON EXISTANT Death Panels? Hell, even Donna, who is not old and is here at MR, believes Death Panels are part of the Law. That is fucked up.


WTF??? :? Thanks for considering me "not old", but I don't believe I ever said that. I did say, and sincerely believe, that there is a slippery slope toward someone in the government (they could be a panel, but maybe a committee, organization or counsel would work too :roll: ) deciding against offering certain services. I blame NO ONE for that but Barack Obama. HIS words, not anyone else's.

Let me ask you (and others in favor of the plan) this... Why is it ok for BO and the dems with this bill to determine what services may not be covered for a particular person/population (again, his words "maybe she should take the pill"), but yet the bill in and of itself was touted to prevent that kind of action by privately operated insurance companies? Is it ok to say that a service isn't warranted because a person is old, but not to say it's because it costs too much? Seems a little hypocritical to me. But what do I know, I only workwith the elderly and Medicare every day...
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:04 pm

Fact Finder wrote:This is fucking disgusting but yet somehow expected. Can't wait till 2012...


Agreed.

However, played over the backdrop of the law-raping Bush Administration, this is a comparative drop in the water.

And keep counting those chickens...the unemployment rate fell to 9.0% last month - before any GOP "economic policies" have even been proposed, let alone put into effect. If the rate drops to 7.5% or below by 2012, you can kiss the Senate goodbye...and if your party keeps trending towards Palin, you can DEFINITELY forget about the White House.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:09 pm

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Fact Finder wrote:This is fucking disgusting but yet somehow expected. Can't wait till 2012...


Agreed.

However, played over the backdrop of the law-raping Bush Administration, this is a comparative drop in the water.

And keep counting those chickens...the unemployment rate fell to 9.0% last month - before any GOP "economic policies" have even been proposed, let alone put into effect. If the rate drops to 7.5% or below by 2012, you can kiss the Senate goodbye...and if your party keeps trending towards Palin, you can DEFINITELY forget about the White House.


Voila:


This morning’s January jobs report was huge disappointment with only 36,000 jobs created (economists expected 140,000). But the news that the unemployment rate dropped to 9% from 9.4% has the rah-rah financial media all excited.

Why did the unemployment rate drop so much? The number of workers moved to the “discouraged” category jumped by 431k to a record 6.643 million. These are people not counted as part of the workforce but want a job now. By eliminating these 6.6 million workers the government disguises the real unemployment rate. It is classic Orwellian propaganda. If we count these unfortunate souls in the workforce the unemployment rate is actually almost 13%. If we add those who are working a crappy part-time job who really want full time work the number grows to almost 17%.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:12 pm

Well, it would appear I was much ado about nothing.

Moving along, then....
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Postby Saint John » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:15 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Well, it would appear I was much ado about nothing.

Moving along, then....


I'll be the first to admit that both parties do it .... so I guess it is fair, Dan! :wink: Regardless, it helps out consumer confidence (even if it kind of bullshit) so I'm ok with it! :)
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:17 pm

My livelihood depends on the CCI, so I'll take the goat shit rocky road with a side of George Michael fudge, please.
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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:17 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:And keep counting those chickens...the unemployment rate fell to 9.0% last month - before any GOP "economic policies" have even been proposed, let alone put into effect.

You know for someone who claims to be so discriminating you sure do swallow the White House load before it even starts to cool. Look at the numbers they're trying to sell you dude. Use your brain, it doesn't add up.

Seven Wishes wrote:If the rate drops to 7.5% or below by 2012, you can kiss the Senate goodbye...and if your party keeps trending towards Palin, you can DEFINITELY forget about the White House.


If, If, If, where have I heard that before. Oh yeah, just over a year ago before the midterms. You keep counting your chickens though. Palin and an experienced VP would beat Obama.

7 Wishes wrote:Your party should be just as worried - and if the economy is loking better this winter, forget about it.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:22 pm

RedWingFan wrote:You know for someone who claims to be so discriminating you sure do swallow the White House load before it even starts to cool. Look at the numbers they're trying to sell you dude. Use your brain, it doesn't add up.


I've proven myself to be more critical of my party in one 24-hour period than you have in your many years posting on this forum, dude.
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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:23 pm

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RedWingFan wrote:You know for someone who claims to be so discriminating you sure do swallow the White House load before it even starts to cool. Look at the numbers they're trying to sell you dude. Use your brain, it doesn't add up.


I've proven myself to be more critical of my party in one 24-hour period than you have in your many years posting on this forum, dude.

Then look at the numbers!
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:40 pm

RedWingFan wrote:Palin and an experienced VP would beat Obama.


Whoa. You serious or you want to pull this back? I'll give you 30 minutes to do so, and then it goes on my sig.

LOL, Obama beats Palin by 13 points and 200+ ev's, easily. It wouldn't be a contest RWF.
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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:44 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Palin and an experienced VP would beat Obama.


Whoa. You serious or you want to pull this back? I'll give you 30 minutes to do so, and then it goes on my sig.

LOL, Obama beats Palin by 13 points and 200+ ev's, easily. It wouldn't be a contest RWF.

Put it in your sig, shove it up your ass sideways. I don't care.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:48 pm

RedWingFan wrote:
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RedWingFan wrote:Palin and an experienced VP would beat Obama.


Whoa. You serious or you want to pull this back? I'll give you 30 minutes to do so, and then it goes on my sig.

LOL, Obama beats Palin by 13 points and 200+ ev's, easily. It wouldn't be a contest RWF.

Put it in your sig, shove it up your ass sideways. I don't care.


OK! Doing so now!
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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:49 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Palin and an experienced VP would beat Obama.


Whoa. You serious or you want to pull this back? I'll give you 30 minutes to do so, and then it goes on my sig.

LOL, Obama beats Palin by 13 points and 200+ ev's, easily. It wouldn't be a contest RWF.

Put it in your sig, shove it up your ass sideways. I don't care.


OK! Doing so now!

Okay, it's not like she's going to make it out of the Republican primary or anything.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:49 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Palin and an experienced VP would beat Obama.


Whoa. You serious or you want to pull this back? I'll give you 30 minutes to do so, and then it goes on my sig.

LOL, Obama beats Palin by 13 points and 200+ ev's, easily. It wouldn't be a contest RWF.

Put it in your sig, shove it up your ass sideways. I don't care.


OK! Doing so now!


Just a reminder ... sideways. :lol:
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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:50 pm

Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Palin and an experienced VP would beat Obama.


Whoa. You serious or you want to pull this back? I'll give you 30 minutes to do so, and then it goes on my sig.

LOL, Obama beats Palin by 13 points and 200+ ev's, easily. It wouldn't be a contest RWF.

Put it in your sig, shove it up your ass sideways. I don't care.


OK! Doing so now!


Just a reminder ... sideways. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: I almost pissed myself!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:54 pm

RedWingFan wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Palin and an experienced VP would beat Obama.


Whoa. You serious or you want to pull this back? I'll give you 30 minutes to do so, and then it goes on my sig.

LOL, Obama beats Palin by 13 points and 200+ ev's, easily. It wouldn't be a contest RWF.

Put it in your sig, shove it up your ass sideways. I don't care.


OK! Doing so now!


Just a reminder ... sideways. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: I almost pissed myself!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


It's very seldom tht Dean slips up like that and leaves himself open, so I had to pounce on that like Dunbar on a 15 year old.
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:56 pm

Saint John wrote:...so I had to pounce on that like Dunbar on a 15 year old.


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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:09 pm

I did it on purpose Daniel.....I was being very gullible, plus I really like Scott...seems like a real genuine good guy.. Watching the Nucks beat up on Chicago, and I am drunk off my ass.

LOL, I got a PM from Andrew....he simply said, "enough." He has NO idea what's in store for him in the coming days! Oh yeah, I am drunk on margaritas, drinking Pabst now and have 60 norcos to polish off! Life is good!
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If those numbskulls hadn't been out rioting, they wouldn't have gotten run over.
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Postby Rick » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:18 am

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If those numbskulls hadn't been out rioting, they wouldn't have gotten run over.


I bet they don't do it again. :lol: But with those crazy people, I could be very wrong.
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Postby Saint John » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:36 am

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If those numbskulls hadn't been out rioting, they wouldn't have gotten run over.


I'm in the middle on this, Dave. While I certainly don't condone looting and rioting, it sure looked like the van intentionally hit those people. It's worth adding that the van was allegedly a stolen U.S. diplomat van, and I think that was a deliberate attempt to garner more anti-American sentiment. That's just how those animals operate. They'll sacrifice their own to further spread ant-American ideology. And, sadly, it usually works.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:16 am

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If those numbskulls hadn't been out rioting, they wouldn't have gotten run over.


I'm in the middle on this, Dave. While I certainly don't condone looting and rioting, it sure looked like the van intentionally hit those people. It's worth adding that the van was allegedly a stolen U.S. diplomat van, and I think that was a deliberate attempt to garner more anti-American sentiment. That's just how those animals operate. They'll sacrifice their own to further spread ant-American ideology. And, sadly, it usually works.


That certainly does put it in a different light. That makes those folks even more sick, killing their own people for political gain.
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Postby S2M » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 am

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If those numbskulls hadn't been out rioting, they wouldn't have gotten run over.


I'm in the middle on this, Dave. While I certainly don't condone looting and rioting, it sure looked like the van intentionally hit those people. It's worth adding that the van was allegedly a stolen U.S. diplomat van, and I think that was a deliberate attempt to garner more anti-American sentiment. That's just how those animals operate. They'll sacrifice their own to further spread ant-American ideology. And, sadly, it usually works.


That certainly does put it in a different light. That makes those folks even more sick, killing their own people for political gain.


a la 9/11?
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:31 am

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If those numbskulls hadn't been out rioting, they wouldn't have gotten run over.


I'm in the middle on this, Dave. While I certainly don't condone looting and rioting, it sure looked like the van intentionally hit those people. It's worth adding that the van was allegedly a stolen U.S. diplomat van, and I think that was a deliberate attempt to garner more anti-American sentiment. That's just how those animals operate. They'll sacrifice their own to further spread ant-American ideology. And, sadly, it usually works.


That certainly does put it in a different light. That makes those folks even more sick, killing their own people for political gain.


a la 9/11?


Do you fall for EVERY conspiracy theory out there? :lol:
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S2M wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
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conversationpc wrote:


If those numbskulls hadn't been out rioting, they wouldn't have gotten run over.


I'm in the middle on this, Dave. While I certainly don't condone looting and rioting, it sure looked like the van intentionally hit those people. It's worth adding that the van was allegedly a stolen U.S. diplomat van, and I think that was a deliberate attempt to garner more anti-American sentiment. That's just how those animals operate. They'll sacrifice their own to further spread ant-American ideology. And, sadly, it usually works.


That certainly does put it in a different light. That makes those folks even more sick, killing their own people for political gain.


a la 9/11?


Do you fall for EVERY conspiracy theory out there? :lol:


No...but Junior wasn't getting a second term unless something like this transpired...oh, that and rigging elections. Look. This isn't Matt Damon in the Good Shepherd. The Intelligence community isn't in it's infancy. People knew. People knew shit. Fear mongers. Each and every one of them fuckers.
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Postby S2M » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:39 am

Too bad Assange doesn't have any secret war documents/memos to release....
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:28 am

That's because, with respect to the America-did-it bullshit conspiracy theory about 9/11, they don't fucking exist. We were attacked by terrorists, pure and simple.

Now, there is OVERWHELMING evidence - beyond the shadow of any doubt - that Bush was conspiring to attack Iraq even though he knew there was no link. But unrelated.
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