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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:56 am

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bluejeangirl76 wrote:Where are all your pics, Rip? Cuz I KNOW you have pics! :lol: we are waiting!


I have plenty of pics, yes! The holdup is getting everyone's permission, because of all the sheer mass nakedness that ensued. I just don't feel safe to post them yet. :) Well, hold on -- let me see what else I may have. :)


Speaking of pix, gotta say I think Arnel is a pretty cool dude...
Can't remember which video it was but at around the 40sec mark,
while still singing, Arnel bends down and poses for a pic with a fan...

Pretty darn classy. But he better watch out... we know the guys
have issues with their singers getting "too close" to the fans :wink:
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Postby Rip Rokken » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:01 am

S2M wrote:(insert listless blathering HERE)


BTW, no CD booklets, no pocket full of multicolored Sharpies, no star stalking this time, lol... I was even unsuccessful at bribing a few people on the front row to swap seats with me. One of them was quite bemused and asked, "Seriously, 3rd row isn't good enough?"

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Postby JRNYFan » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:13 am

Anyone catch the "State of Grace" line on 'Chain of Love'? I wonder who wrote that line. :)

Thanks Rip for the youtube videos! You the man!
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Postby brywool » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:16 am

JRNYFan wrote:Anyone catch the "State of Grace" line on 'Chain of Love'? I wonder who wrote that line. :)

Thanks Rip for the youtube videos! You the man!


YES. I ALMOST posted something about it on YouTube and let it go... ugh.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:18 am

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bluejeangirl76 wrote:Where are all your pics, Rip? Cuz I KNOW you have pics! :lol: we are waiting!


I have plenty of pics, yes! The holdup is getting everyone's permission, because of all the sheer mass nakedness that ensued. I just don't feel safe to post them yet. :) Well, hold on -- let me see what else I may have. :)



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Just change their names when you post captions. We won't know who you mean by "Taui Mom" or "Rop Rikken" :lol:
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Postby StElmoQn » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:23 am

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Touche,,,the photo says it ALL without saying a word...

I watched the clips this morning and it's just not Journey for me anymore - not saying that's bad, but they just don't have the same sound or feel anymore. They should just regroup and call themselves the Neal Schon Project...

My $.02 now back to lurkdom before the bats come out...
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Postby Jana » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:24 am

Different clip of Chain of Love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiSDt1gxJbM
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Postby yulog » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:25 am

I hope the studio version sounds better because none of these songs did anything for me.
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Postby Don » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:26 am

Going over what some have written, I feel I'm not alone in thinking the Studio versions of these songs will probably eclipse the live ones.

Did anyone else have that deja vu feeling of hearing TBF while listening?
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:27 am

StElmoQn wrote:
S2M wrote:Image


Touche,,,the photo says it ALL without saying a word...

I watched the clips this morning and it's just not Journey for me anymore - not saying that's bad, but they just don't have the same sound or feel anymore. They should just regroup and call themselves the Neal Schon Project...

My $.02 now back to lurkdom before the bats come out...


And too many people have complained for too long that Journey has not progressed and has too much of the same sound and feel. There is no way to
win everyone over, damned if they do, damned if they don't. The fact that Neal loves this album and Arnel participated in the writing of it, not to mention
that it was written for his voice, indicates to me that we will see Journey put their heart and emotion into playing these songs this tour. They will
polish these up as time goes on.
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Postby brywool » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:30 am

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And too many people have complained for too long that Journey has not progressed and has too much of the same sound and feel. There is no way to
win everyone over, damned if they do, damned if they don't. The fact that Neal loves this album and Arnel participated in the writing of it, not to mention
that it was written for his voice, indicates to me that we will see Journey put their heart and emotion into playing these songs this tour.



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Postby Don » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:31 am

This, not being a fansite, is always going to have extreme opposite opinions concerning anything from Journey. I see a lot of people bitching back and forth but no one is actually giving any reviews on what they heard. It sucks, it's the same old thing, It's new and refreshing, Neal rocks...blah, blah, blah. Can we get some thing a bit more more descriptive than that?
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Postby S2M » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:34 am

And this will, by far, be their lowest selling album....It is Journey in name only, folks....a nice excuse to get together and tie one on, but beyond that - the ship has sailed....

@Rip - insert senseless blathering? Meaning what? My opinions don't count? And your incessant non-stop(redundancy on purpose) opining about Don Dokken notwithstanding?
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Postby Don » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:37 am

S2M wrote:And this will, by far, be their lowest selling album....It is Journey in name only, folks....a nice excuse to get together and tie one on, but beyond that - the ship has sailed....

@Rip - insert senseless blathering? Meaning what? My opinions don't count? And your incessant non-stop(redundancy on purpose) opining about Don Dokken notwithstanding?


This will sell around the same level as ARRIVAL did or a bit less, which will still be more more than Generations. That's not a testament to whether the material is great or garbage, it's just no one needs to to buy complete albums anymore when you can piecemeal your own greatest hits together with single downloads or just grab the whole thing from a torrent site.
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Postby S2M » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:37 am

Don wrote:This, not being a fansite, is always going to have extreme opposite opinions concerning anything from Journey. I see a lot of people bitching back and forth but no one is actually giving any reviews on what they heard. It sucks, it's the same old thing, It's new and refreshing, Neal rocks...blah, blah, blah. Can we get some thing a bit more more descriptive than that?


Sure: Nothing stands out. Nothing I cared to listen to again. Nothing catchy enough to be left humming(like Carlitto said he did). I don't want a DSB II, but I'd like something comparable in scope....even Arrival was exponentially better than what I've heard so far. I'll reserve my final judgement until the album drops(a month earlier for me), but as it stands it just sounds like a 'chops' album....no feeling, just wanking....
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Postby StElmoQn » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:43 am

And too many people have complained for too long that Journey has not progressed and has too much of the same sound and feel. There is no way to
win everyone over, damned if they do, damned if they don't. The fact that Neal loves this album and Arnel participated in the writing of it, not to mention
that it was written for his voice, indicates to me that we will see Journey put their heart and emotion into playing these songs this tour. They will
polish these up as time goes on.


Look I'm not disagreeing with you - as we all know, opinions are like a$$holes, we all have one - but rather what I am saying is that I did not "feel" this music. I purposely minimized the window and turned up the sound on my computer to try and listen without the distraction of video, and the new songs just didn't move me. If I like something, a melody or lyrics will instantly stick in my head, and it just didn't happen today.

I'm gonna go out a limb here and repost something I read on a technical musical blog somewhere - see if it resonates:

"Someone once said to me "you can't really hear what's beautiful, since everyone's perception of beauty is so personal". I think that could certainly be true, but I also think that the average person would say that a donkey bray is not as "pretty" as the sound of a songbird. I think that people know when something is abrasive or harsh it isn't as nice to hear as when it is soothing and smooth. If you make the criteria too intellectual or abstract, you can get quite confused. If you keep it simple, then it isn't rocket science.

Human beings react to emotion. We like what feels good. We don't like what feels bad. There are more emotions that are unpleasant (fear, anger, sadness) than pleasant (happiness, peace). The stronger the emotion being expressed, the more likely it is to get an emotional response from someone else. Could be the same feeling (rapport) could be the opposite (discord). Sounds that are happy, joyful, contented, loving, sweet, grateful, satisfied, or peaceful, connected to lyrics that express those sentiments, would be expected to be more or less pleasant in vocal quality. We all know that a lullaby sounds soothing and we all know that it sounds different than the barking calls of an Army drill sargeant. Sounds that are angry, sorrowful, fearful, hopeless, painful, distressed or agitated, when also connected to lyrics of the same intention, are probably not going to sound pleasant, and could actually sound very unpleasant. They could, however, also be very communicative, on either side of the argument.

So one of the primary ingredients of "real" singing is that it is always connected to authentic emotional expression. It is not machine-like. Of course, people can choose to sing in a mechanical manner, imitating a computer, but it would be unlikely that such singing would appeal to a mass audience. To an educated elite audience, maybe, but to the average person, probably not. That's one of the reasons the 20th Century classical music did not find a large and new audience. People can only relate to it if they have music education and sometimes not even then.

The other driver is that the sound is freely produced, which means that the emotional expression is unlabored. Even the "unhappy" emotions are delivered without a struggle. Feeling what you feel as you feel it, while you are singing, and sounding unlabored while you sing, will resonant with others as long as the musical ingredients are also there. They would include singing with pitch accuracy and good intonation, singing the words clearly, singing with control over volume, and in many cases, singing with vibrato, but not always.

Real singing is very direct. It hits you somewhere that you cannot forget. It can be small and sweet, as in a child or an untrained adult, or it can be big, powerful and highly trained, as in an operatic vocalist, or it could be anything in between. One absolute is that it is unique, memorable, and distinctive. Real singing allows the uniqueness of the individual voice, the intention of the lyrics as emotion and communication, and the musical components of melody, rhythm, tempo, key and accompaniment to meld into one cohesive whole that is more than the sum of its parts. Singing loudly may be impressive but that's all it is. Singing something that sounds ugly, without having a reason for it to sound ugly, is just plain stupid and sad."
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Postby Rip Rokken » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:54 am

S2M wrote:@Rip - insert senseless blathering? Meaning what? My opinions don't count? And your incessant non-stop(redundancy on purpose) opining about Don Dokken notwithstanding?


Hey, I'm just "keeping people on their toes", lol!

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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:55 am

I can definitely see the opinions of "nothing standing out"
or a lack of "hooks" right now. But think back to the days
of vinyl... usually side two was the side reserved for the
"Deep Tracks", the "Un-Hits", and in most instances
some of the best songs on the entire album.

I'm thinking, and hoping, that Eclipse is just that,
one, big, epic, Side-Two album from start to finish.

I think of all the past J-albums and all my fave cuts are the side-two tracks:
M/F, Escape, Troubled Child, We Will Meet Again, Rubicon,
Live & Breath, Good morning Girl, Homemade Love, Lovin You Is Easy,
Daydream, ALL of Infinity's side two, What I Needed, Turn Down the World...

Guess I'm just wierd :)

I do know this: I will be in Millville, NJ to do an AirShow on May 24th
and I can guarantee that as soon as I arrive the day prior, I will
be finding out where the nearest WalMart is so I can be there bright and early! :wink:
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Postby Don » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:56 am

One thing I DIDN'T like was the continued Waaaaaaaah that Arnel does sometimes, sort of like an ad-lib Banshee wail. He did it on Revelations too. I had the window minimized and was listening only but when I heard it, it just grated on me. He obviously isn't very good at improvising on the fly so I'd rather he just do the Perry shuffle near the drums or whatever when he is at a lost for what to do.
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Postby Rip Rokken » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:05 am

Jana wrote:Different clip of Chain of Love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiSDt1gxJbM


This is excellent, and from this position they captured the acoustics of the song much better. Outstanding!
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Postby Scarab Pilot » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:09 am

Don wrote:One thing I DIDN'T like was the continued Waaaaaaaah that Arnel does sometimes, sort of like an ad-lib Banshee wail. He did it on Revelations too. I had the window minimized and was listening only but when I heard it, it just grated on me. He obviously isn't very good at improvising on the fly so I'd rather he just do the Perry shuffle near the drums or whatever when he is at a lost for what to do.


Uuugh! That is SO annoying and he does it more that just during ad-lib fills...it comes out when he sings words with long 'aaaaa' sounds. This is why I say he is doing his best impression of a lead singer. It's not an insult...he's an impressionist. What is karaoke but doing impressions of songs we've heard? It's very mechanical and it's like someone who is nervous and fills in with a lot of 'uhs' during a speech.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:15 am

S2M wrote:..It is Journey in name only, folks...



Making any firm comments on this material simply based off of audio-compromised live youtube recordings without hearing the studio stuff is pushing things.



playing devil's advocate...

If Journey is LTS, La Do Da, Walks Like a Lady, When You're Alone (It Ain't Easy), Mother Father, Separate Ways, Once You Love Somebody, Castles Burning....not to mention the post-Perry era, what exactly IS Journey? If you put those songs together, it's a pretty eclectic album. Pre-Escape Journey was certainly different to Escape Journey, different to Frontiers, and different to ROR. The post-reunion stuff with Perry or not keeps changing sound, albiet to a lesser extent up through Revelation.

Better question......since you have heard songs outside of Journey. What is "Gotthard"? Is it G, Open, Homerun, Lipservice, Domino Effect, Need to Believe? They might as well be another band as much as they change style. Same for Magnum. Even discounting the reunion material, is Magnum Chase the Dragon, Storyteller's Night, Vigilante, Wings of Heaven, Sleepwalking? Yet again, might as well be another band. Where do you draw the line? Both of those bands have even had a very stable lineup through all the changes. Bon Jovi would be another example that have changed sound a bunch of times.


Is it Perry-era Journey (whatever that is using the above as a baseline)? Probably not, but there are comparisons. You always have a change when you change singers. I'm not sure any band has changed singers without a change of sound. Give me the full studio album, and maybe this is up for debate, but studio and live don't necessarily sound the same--especially at this quality. I'll wait until I get good versions to determine whether this is Journey or "new rock band x".
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Postby Jana » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:16 am

Rip Rokken wrote:
S2M wrote:@Rip - insert senseless blathering? Meaning what? My opinions don't count? And your incessant non-stop(redundancy on purpose) opining about Don Dokken notwithstanding?


Hey, I'm just "keeping people on their toes", lol!

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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:20 am

Jana wrote:
Rip Rokken wrote:
S2M wrote:@Rip - insert senseless blathering? Meaning what? My opinions don't count? And your incessant non-stop(redundancy on purpose) opining about Don Dokken notwithstanding?


Hey, I'm just "keeping people on their toes", lol!

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Do tell. I'm guessing one of the band members.


Probably Friga! While he's pleased with some of the comments he's reading on YT,
he was probably upset that Rip didn't give him the same amount of camera time
as Arnel and Schon got :) Bad enuff he's keys were lost in the mix, now he's
not even on camera alot! :P
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Postby Rip Rokken » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:33 am

Scarab Pilot wrote:
Don wrote:One thing I DIDN'T like was the continued Waaaaaaaah that Arnel does sometimes, sort of like an ad-lib Banshee wail. He did it on Revelations too. I had the window minimized and was listening only but when I heard it, it just grated on me. He obviously isn't very good at improvising on the fly so I'd rather he just do the Perry shuffle near the drums or whatever when he is at a lost for what to do.


Uuugh! That is SO annoying and he does it more that just during ad-lib fills...it comes out when he sings words with long 'aaaaa' sounds. This is why I say he is doing his best impression of a lead singer. It's not an insult...he's an impressionist. What is karaoke but doing impressions of songs we've heard? It's very mechanical and it's like someone who is nervous and fills in with a lot of 'uhs' during a speech.


I respect everyone's personal opinions and preferences. Me, those types of things don't even register to me. What I saw this weekend was some great friends who came here facing some incredibly difficult personal situations including illness and very recent loss. To see them smiling and even shedding some tears when AP sang directly and so particularly to them -- there was nothing more moving. They needed that, and so did I. AP reaches people, plain and simple. Last night he gave people exactly what they needed, and it made the difference. I don't mean to disrespect anyone... it's just that all this other just stuff seems so trivial to me.
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Postby S2M » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:34 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
S2M wrote:..It is Journey in name only, folks...



Making any firm comments on this material simply based off of audio-compromised live youtube recordings without hearing the studio stuff is pushing things.



playing devil's advocate...

If Journey is LTS, La Do Da, Walks Like a Lady, When You're Alone (It Ain't Easy), Mother Father, Separate Ways, Once You Love Somebody, Castles Burning....not to mention the post-Perry era, what exactly IS Journey? If you put those songs together, it's a pretty eclectic album. Pre-Escape Journey was certainly different to Escape Journey, different to Frontiers, and different to ROR. The post-reunion stuff with Perry or not keeps changing sound, albiet to a lesser extent up through Revelation.

Better question......since you have heard songs outside of Journey. What is "Gotthard"? Is it G, Open, Homerun, Lipservice, Domino Effect, Need to Believe? They might as well be another band as much as they change style. Same for Magnum. Even discounting the reunion material, is Magnum Chase the Dragon, Storyteller's Night, Vigilante, Wings of Heaven, Sleepwalking? Yet again, might as well be another band. Where do you draw the line? Both of those bands have even had a very stable lineup through all the changes. Bon Jovi would be another example that have changed sound a bunch of times.


Is it Perry-era Journey (whatever that is using the above as a baseline)? Probably not, but there are comparisons. You always have a change when you change singers. I'm not sure any band has changed singers without a change of sound. Give me the full studio album, and maybe this is up for debate, but studio and live don't necessarily sound the same--especially at this quality. I'll wait until I get good versions to determine whether this is Journey or "new rock band x".


I'm glad you asked....Since I discovered Gotthard around Homerun, I'll have to say that the style that suits that band best is some of Homerun, but mostly Human Zoo-Domino Effect...they do Melodic better than straight rock, IMHO. Need to Believe is them going back to their straight rock roots again....Journey has become a charicature of themselves. They chose to move on after Perry, and are suffering the consequnces. Now they picked up a whole country of new fans, but at what cost? They have the mindset of most dinosaur acts, which is - we are going to do what WE want. We have a large enough fanbase that will buy anything we release(think Kiss, Bon Jovi), even if it isn't up to standards. Sort of like that NHL team that puts a sub-standard product on the ice - and ownership doesn't care because people still come to see them, win or lose....their legacy will be the thing that suffers.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:35 am

Jana wrote:Put on my earphones and listened. Resonate is so amazing. Chain of Love is absolutely epic and has some keys there. Arnel tears it up, as does Neal. City of Hope I love the absolute moodiness to the song. I love Jon's keys, too, and was worried about the lack of them, but I'm sure they will show up on the album here and there. This is definitely more of a guitar album, but I love the creativity and the vibe of the album. I can't wait to hear these songs off an album with a great sound system, and sonically I think they will be stunning.


Wow - you're hearing a lot of things that I'm simply missing. I didn't hear anything that made me think about any of those adjectives you used.

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Postby Voyager » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:38 am

S2M wrote:Nothing stands out. Nothing I cared to listen to again.


My thoughts exactly.

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Postby SF-Dano » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:40 am

The same folk here that are bashing this new material for not sounding enough like "Journey" (whatever that is), are the same as the ones that bash them when they release something that does sound like early 80s Journey. The just have animosity towards this band - - end of story.
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Postby Don » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:44 am

I for one think it sounds EXACTLY like Journey of 1995. Less keys but on the whole, the same type of lumbering, somber sound.
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