President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[S2M]

You know how to kickstart change in Washington? TERM LIMITS. I'd vote for ONE year term limits, but I'd settle for TWO. Get these ancient lifer fucks out of capitol hill, and into nursing homes.

[Seven Wishes2]

Ummm...advising his party rightfully blaming the GOP for a prospective government shutdown, while overtly political and typical, is not immoral or unethical.

It IS unethical to deliberately start a witch hunt and lie and sensationalize for the sole purposes of making money, all the time attempting to portray your news organization as apolitical and not agenda-driven.

Obama's fiscal policies have been no more socialistic than Reagan's were spendthrift. It's all a big lie, and it's because he's black.

I GUARANTEE you if Obama's father had been born in Glasgow or Toronto, and his skin was white and not medium brown, that you would never have heard A WORD about his birth certificate. THAT chapter, by the way, is closed, no matter what Donald Frump might be barking at the moon about

http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

With all the anti-Obama and immigration rage Buchanan is spewing, you would think his ancestral lineage was Apache, not Scotch-Irish.

[Seven Wishes2]

.. and that "system" you mention hasn't changed one damn bit with the new President... seems to be the same breed - regardless of party...

No point of contention there in the sense that it's just the same old same old. The last President who didn't believe problems were solved by throwing money at them was Clinton...and before him, Kennedy.

[slucero]

.. and that "system" you mention hasn't changed one damn bit with the new President... seems to be the same breed - regardless of party...

No point of contention there in the sense that it's just the same old same old. The last President who didn't believe problems were solved by throwing money at them was Clinton...and before him, Kennedy.

An the irony is that today Kennedy would likely be a considered conservative Republican...

[slucero]

Ummm...advising his party rightfully blaming the GOP for a prospective government shutdown, while overtly political and typical, is not immoral or unethical.

It IS unethical to deliberately start a witch hunt and lie and sensationalize for the sole purposes of making money, all the time attempting to portray your news organization as apolitical and not agenda-driven.

Obama's fiscal policies have been no more socialistic than Reagan's were spendthrift. It's all a big lie, and it's because he's black.

I GUARANTEE you if Obama's father had been born in Glasgow or Toronto, and his skin was white and not medium brown, that you would never have heard A WORD about his birth certificate. THAT chapter, by the way, is closed, no matter what Donald Frump might be barking at the moon about

http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

With all the anti-Obama and immigration rage Buchanan is spewing, you would think his ancestral lineage was Apache, not Scotch-Irish.

The birther thing is over... the damage has already been done... and the polices that are "missing" are the same ones they couldn't fix with "The Banking Reform Act"... "HAMP"... or the Healthcare Reform Act"... it is all a big lie...

Truth is... this is all smoke & mirrors so Helicopter Ben can continue debasing the dollar into oblivion... everything else is just noise...

[The_Noble_Cause]

An the irony is that today Kennedy would likely be a considered conservative Republican...

BS.
Tell me, which part of his very short-lived legacy strikes you as rock-ribbed Conservativism in action?

Would it be JFK's back-channel talks with Kruchev?
His refusal to nuke the living shit out of Cuba during the 13 days crisis (which Goldwater and other right wing nuts wanted more than anything)?
His creation of the Peace Corps (which I'm sure Beck and ilk would label as some Nazi brownshirt offshoot)?
His push for Medicare (aka oogedy boogedy socialized medicine, which Reagan and other righties attacked mercilessly)?
Or maintaining a progressive tax rate on the rich at 70%?

JFK was arguably more progressive than any Democratic President in the past 50 years.
Hell, I'd gladly take Nixon and Ike over the tax cutting, Libya bombing, Kenyan fraud in office.
Not only was JFK a thoroughbred Democrat, he remained an unapologetic liberal until the day his brains smattered the upholstery of his Lincoln Continental.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents ... beral.html

[Seven Wishes2]

I believe the reference was made tongue-in-cheek.

However, he is a fraud. He's a sitting duck at this point no matter what he does.

[steveo777]

Now even the Donald wants to see his birth cert.

[slucero]

An the irony is that today Kennedy would likely be a considered conservative Republican...

BS.
Tell me, which part of his very short-lived legacy strikes you as rock-ribbed Conservativism in action?

Would it be JFK's back-channel talks with Kruchev?
His refusal to nuke the living shit out of Cuba during the 13 days crisis (which Goldwater and other right wing nuts wanted more than anything)?
His creation of the Peace Corps (which I'm sure Beck and ilk would label as some Nazi brownshirt offshoot)?
His push for Medicare (aka oogedy boogedy socialized medicine, which Reagan and other righties attacked mercilessly)?
Or maintaining a progressive tax rate on the rich at 70%?

JFK was arguably more progressive than any Democratic President in the past 50 years.
Hell, I'd gladly take Nixon and Ike over the tax cutting, Libya bombing, Kenyan fraud in office.
Not only was JFK a thoroughbred Democrat, he remained an unapologetic liberal until the day his brains smattered the upholstery of his Lincoln Continental.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents ... beral.html

One of JFK’s key economic plans included massive, across-the-board tax cuts, similar to those of Reagan. Much like the 1920’s and 1980’s, it was these tax cuts that led to the Golden Kennedy-Johnson years. By the time Kennedy took office, the top income tax rate had reached 94%. Kennedy originally asked for it to be reduced to 65%, but Congress slashed this down to 70%. Kennedy’s tax cuts benefited the upper and upper middle classes even more.

Without a question, it is mostly the middle and upper classes that undertake risky purchases and investment. As expected, the tax revenue from the top 1%, the top 5%, and top 20% surged as a result of income growth from the tax cuts. Tax revenue from the rich increased from almost 12% in 1963, to 15% by 1966.

The tax cuts from Republicans are no different and produced the same results. Harding and Coolidge cut the top tax rate from 73% in 1921 to 25% by 1925, and the tax share from the rich soared from 44% to 78%. Reagan picked up where Kennedy left off, slashing the highest tax rate from 70% down to 50% as part of his Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981. His plan cut taxes across-the-board by 25% – this was not a tax cut solely for the rich. The top tax rate was further lowered to 28% in 1986. What resulted was the largest peacetime expansion in the history of the United States, and record lows for inflation and unemployment. Income tax revenue soared 16.3% from 1982 to 1989. Kennedy’s own words concur this: “It is a paradoxical truth, that tax rates are too high today, and tax revenues are too low, and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the tax rates”.

History is on the side of tax cuts – the same side of Calvin Coolidge, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush. If JFK had been alive today, it is likely he would have switched to the Republican Party. Actual quote from Kennedy: “An economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget – just as it will never produce enough jobs or profits.”

Kennedy was more "right leaning" than any of the conservative Democrats currently serving in Congress.... hence my remark...

[Seven Wishes2]

History is on the side of tax cuts – the same side of Calvin Coolidge, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush. If JFK had been alive today, it is likely he would have switched to the Republican Party. Actual quote from Kennedy: “An economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget – just as it will never produce enough jobs or profits.”

Kennedy was more "right leaning" than any of the conservative Democrats currently serving in Congress.... hence my remark...

Your post is pure hogwash.

Also, Bush Sr. raised taxes and knew it had to be done in order to not bankrupt the treasury.

[S2M]

Absolute honest question: Who here would vote for Donald Trump? FYI, I haven't voted in a presidential election since I voted for H. Ross. I'm seriously leaning towards voting for the Hairpiece if he runs.....

[Seven Wishes2]

I would vote for Mephistopheles - for that matter, even Dukakis or Jeb Bush - before that world-class jackass.

He's push that nuclear button as soon as a foreign dignitary so much as improperly shook his hand or looked at him the wrong way.

[S2M]

I would vote for Mephistopheles - for that matter, even Dukakis or Jeb Bush - before that world-class jackass.

He's push that nuclear button as soon as a foreign dignitary so much as improperly shook his hand or looked at him the wrong way.

He sure talks a tough game, 7. He is the complete antithesis of Barry. Too bad the Missus won't run. and by Missus I mean the pantsuit.

[Pstburp]

Obama Nobel Peace Prize in 2010
sarkozy Nobel Peace Prize in 2011

[slucero]

History is on the side of tax cuts – the same side of Calvin Coolidge, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush. If JFK had been alive today, it is likely he would have switched to the Republican Party. Actual quote from Kennedy: “An economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget – just as it will never produce enough jobs or profits.”

Kennedy was more "right leaning" than any of the conservative Democrats currently serving in Congress.... hence my remark...

Your post is pure hogwash.

Also, Bush Sr. raised taxes and knew it had to be done in order to not bankrupt the treasury.

It's not hogwash you fucktard.. it's actual fact... and I never said Bush Sr. DIDN'T raise taxes.. and doing something when "it has to be done" is a pretty desirable trait for a leader.... good on you for pointing that out... there might be hope for your sorry ass....

[Seven Wishes2]

That Kennedy was somehow, magically, some ultra-conservative when it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was, in fact, a liberal Democrat...THAT is hogwash.

A lot of what Obama has done "needed to be done". Health care DOES need to be reformed (albeit not with the initially GOP-favored individual mandate), the auto industry needed to be saved, and Wall Street was a hair breadth away from collapsing...

Taxes on the upper income brackets needed to be raised in order to save the middle class, and he failed miserably at that.

Bush Jr. did not NEED to invade Iraq. The list goes on and on.

[conversationpc]

I think both of you are wrong on this one. I don't think Kennedy was either a true liberal nor a conservative Democrat. Anyone that thinks otherwise simply isn't looking at history, in my opinion.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

I think both of you are wrong on this one. I don't think Kennedy was either a true liberal nor a conservative Democrat. Anyone that thinks otherwise simply isn't looking at history, in my opinion.

No point talking in conservative or liberal terms - Every single president in the 20th century with the exception of Taft an Coolidge was either an apologist or advocate of a more intrusive bigger state.

Roosevelt, Harding, Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman , Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush 1 Clinton, Bush 2 , Obama were all statists to some level. Roosevelt II, Johnson, Nixon , Bush II , and Obama being eligible for the hall of shame with regard to expanding big oppresive govt.

Reagan I believe was no fan of a larger state, but in alot of ways the state expanded under his watch esp in the form of runaways spending.

[The_Noble_Cause]

One of JFK’s key economic plans included massive, across-the-board tax cuts, similar to those of Reagan. Much like the 1920’s and 1980’s, it was these tax cuts that led to the Golden Kennedy-Johnson years. By the time Kennedy took office, the top income tax rate had reached 94%. Kennedy originally asked for it to be reduced to 65%, but Congress slashed this down to 70%. Kennedy’s tax cuts benefited the upper and upper middle classes even more.

Without a question, it is mostly the middle and upper classes that undertake risky purchases and investment. As expected, the tax revenue from the top 1%, the top 5%, and top 20% surged as a result of income growth from the tax cuts. Tax revenue from the rich increased from almost 12% in 1963, to 15% by 1966.

The tax cuts from Republicans are no different and produced the same results. Harding and Coolidge cut the top tax rate from 73% in 1921 to 25% by 1925, and the tax share from the rich soared from 44% to 78%. Reagan picked up where Kennedy left off, slashing the highest tax rate from 70% down to 50% as part of his Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981. His plan cut taxes across-the-board by 25% – this was not a tax cut solely for the rich. The top tax rate was further lowered to 28% in 1986. What resulted was the largest peacetime expansion in the history of the United States, and record lows for inflation and unemployment. Income tax revenue soared 16.3% from 1982 to 1989. Kennedy’s own words concur this: “It is a paradoxical truth, that tax rates are too high today, and tax revenues are too low, and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the tax rates”.

History is on the side of tax cuts – the same side of Calvin Coolidge, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush. If JFK had been alive today, it is likely he would have switched to the Republican Party. Actual quote from Kennedy: “An economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget – just as it will never produce enough jobs or profits.”

Kennedy was more "right leaning" than any of the conservative Democrats currently serving in Congress.... hence my remark...

Sure are alot of words up there.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t change the fact that you're singling out ONE agenda item out of an entire legacy of committed Democratic policies. By that standard, Obama is the second coming of Reagan. Hey, he maintained the Bush tax cuts too, right? JFK went against his Keynesian economic advisors and implemented tax cuts. Nobody denies that. What’s your point? The rich were still soaked at 70% levels, far far higher than the top marginal tax rate has been under any Democratic president ever since. That doesn't make JFK a conservative any more than it makes Reagan a flaming lib for expanding the earned income tax credit. Look at the whole picture. Weak, dude.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think both of you are wrong on this one. I don't think Kennedy was either a true liberal nor a conservative Democrat. Anyone that thinks otherwise simply isn't looking at history, in my opinion.

He was a mainstream Democrat and slightly to the left of Bubba and Obongo. I stand by that. This country has never elected a liberal president and never will.

[Rhiannon]

[slucero]

One of JFK’s key economic plans included massive, across-the-board tax cuts, similar to those of Reagan. Much like the 1920’s and 1980’s, it was these tax cuts that led to the Golden Kennedy-Johnson years. By the time Kennedy took office, the top income tax rate had reached 94%. Kennedy originally asked for it to be reduced to 65%, but Congress slashed this down to 70%. Kennedy’s tax cuts benefited the upper and upper middle classes even more.

Without a question, it is mostly the middle and upper classes that undertake risky purchases and investment. As expected, the tax revenue from the top 1%, the top 5%, and top 20% surged as a result of income growth from the tax cuts. Tax revenue from the rich increased from almost 12% in 1963, to 15% by 1966.

The tax cuts from Republicans are no different and produced the same results. Harding and Coolidge cut the top tax rate from 73% in 1921 to 25% by 1925, and the tax share from the rich soared from 44% to 78%. Reagan picked up where Kennedy left off, slashing the highest tax rate from 70% down to 50% as part of his Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981. His plan cut taxes across-the-board by 25% – this was not a tax cut solely for the rich. The top tax rate was further lowered to 28% in 1986. What resulted was the largest peacetime expansion in the history of the United States, and record lows for inflation and unemployment. Income tax revenue soared 16.3% from 1982 to 1989. Kennedy’s own words concur this: “It is a paradoxical truth, that tax rates are too high today, and tax revenues are too low, and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the tax rates”.

History is on the side of tax cuts – the same side of Calvin Coolidge, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush. If JFK had been alive today, it is likely he would have switched to the Republican Party. Actual quote from Kennedy: “An economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget – just as it will never produce enough jobs or profits.”

Kennedy was more "right leaning" than any of the conservative Democrats currently serving in Congress.... hence my remark...

Sure are alot of words up there.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t change the fact that you're singling out ONE agenda item out of an entire legacy of committed Democratic policies. By that standard, Obama is the second coming of Reagan. Hey, he maintained the Bush tax cuts too, right? JFK went against his Keynesian economic advisors and implemented tax cuts. Nobody denies that. What’s your point? The rich were still soaked at 70% levels, far far higher than the top marginal tax rate has been under any Democratic president ever since. That doesn't make JFK a conservative any more than it makes Reagan a flaming lib for expanding the earned income tax credit. Look at the whole picture. Weak, dude.

If you'd read my "words" as you call them you'd have seen that Kennedy wanted rates cut to 65%... from 90%... far LOWER than any reduction (even on a percentage basis) than under any Democratic president ever since.. not sure how you call that liberal... but knock yourself out....

[Seven Wishes2]

You're failing to look at Kennedy's very leftist cumulative body of work.

Kevin Costner is not a "brilliant actor" simply because he had one cathartic few months while filming "Dances With Wolves." His body of work shows he's one of the world's shittiest actors.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If you'd read my "words" as you call them you'd have seen that Kennedy wanted rates cut to 65%... from 90%... far LOWER than any reduction (even on a percentage basis) than under any Democratic president ever since.. not sure how you call that liberal... but knock yourself out....

Who cares? Nobody is denying that JFK bucked the conventional Democratic party wisdom on ONE issue. Big fucking deal. One initiative does not define a man's political legacy. Get off it.

[slucero]

If you'd read my "words" as you call them you'd have seen that Kennedy wanted rates cut to 65%... from 90%... far LOWER than any reduction (even on a percentage basis) than under any Democratic president ever since.. not sure how you call that liberal... but knock yourself out....

Who cares? Nobody is denying that JFK bucked the conventional Democratic party wisdom on ONE issue. Big fucking deal. One initiative does not define a man's political legacy. Get off it.

Whatever dude... Fuck you.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Whatever dude... Fuck you.

Some airtight logic right there.
Next time, you may wish to actually read up on a subject before ignorantly spouting off on it. Funny, how GOPers, (which is exactly what you are, despite your non-partisan posturing), are so quick to claim great Democratic presidents as their own. Whatsamatter? Ashamed of the legacy of Tricky Dick? Or Hoover? Or George W?

[conversationpc]

Funny, how GOPers, (which is exactly what you are, despite your non-partisan posturing)

Funny how you do the exact same thing you accuse him of doing...Which is basically ignoring what Slucero has actually posted over time instead of "reading up on a subject". I don't always agree with him, but he's hardly a homer for the GOP. You could probably call RWF or TF a GOPer and you'd be closer to the truth, but you're incorrect here.

[S2M]

Fuck all politicians....we need a Populist in office.

[Rick]

Fuck all politicians....we need a Populist in office.

Amen to that Sean.

[conversationpc]

Pop-u-list:

Definition: A politician who holds their finger to the wind to determine their political position instead of forming their own opinion.

BTW...That's pretty much what we have now in the two major parties, besides the paid-off, corrupt, and self-interested politicians who THINK they are doing the will of the people or who have fooled themselves into believing that's what they're doing.