Eclipse on Itunes Rock Albums Chart Overseas

[jrny84]

Journey is getting some love from overseas. Eclipse has charted on itunes rock album charts in Germany, UK, Japan, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, and Italy so far.

Here are the chart positions as of 5/27/11:
Japan #5
UK #6
Italy #7
Germany #4
Sweden #4
Norway #5
Switzerland #6

Note: Ironically I havent seen it chart in the States, Canada, or Ireland.

[brywool]

wow, how do people find this stuff?

[jrny84]

wow, how do people find this stuff?

I wonder if its being promoted more internationally?

[Saint John]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

[Deb]

Journey is getting some love from overseas. Eclipse has charted on itunes rock album charts in Germany, UK, Japan, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, and Italy so far.

Here are the chart positions as of 5/27/11:
Japan #5
UK #6
Italy #7
Germany #4
Sweden #4
Norway #5
Switzerland #6

Note: Ironically I havent seen it chart in the States, Canada, or Ireland.

Nothing new there, for the most part North American's are idiots when it comes to appreciating talented rock acts. Exactly why MB is touring arenas on their own in those countries, as we speak.

[Arkansas]

Instead of only chart rankings, how about actual numbers?
Top10 in a small country might still only be a couple hundred units.


later~

[Don]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

No sure if that is going to sit well with Wal-Mart. They do exclusives to get people in the store. A drop off of 60% in sales compared to Revelation because promo went overseas might really hurt the band's relationship with the retailer.

The UK and Japan are the biggest markets on that list with each probably accounting for 10-15k in sales. Add that with another 15k total for the little countries. Not a bad international debut at all but then again, groups like Mr Big and Night Ranger have been cherry picking this market for years. The difference being they never had the US sales to go with it.

[Michigan Girl]

Journey is getting some love from overseas. Eclipse has charted on itunes rock album charts in Germany, UK, Japan, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, and Italy so far.

Here are the chart positions as of 5/27/11:
Japan #5
UK #6
Italy #7
Germany #4
Sweden #4
Norway #5
Switzerland #6

Note: Ironically I havent seen it chart in the States, Canada, or Ireland.

Nothing new there, for the most part North American's are idiots when it comes to appreciating talented rock acts. Exactly why MB is touring arenas on their own in those countries, as we speak.

Deb, this was exactly my first thought!!! Journey wants some of that action!!

[Deb]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

No sure if that is going to sit well with Wal-Mart. They do exclusives to get people in the store. A drop off of 60% in sales compared to Revelation because promo went overseas might really hurt the band's relationship with the retailer.

The UK and Japan are the biggest markets on that list with each probably accounting for 10-15k in sales. Add that with another 15k total for the little countries. Not a bad international debut at all but then again, groups like Mr Big and Night Ranger have been cherry picking this market for years. The difference being they never had the US sales to go with it.

They did back in the early 90s (around the Lean Into It album) the US platinum sales rivaled Japan's. But then Grunge came in in the US pretty much wiping out most rock acts, but they continued to sell platinum in Japan ('96's Hey Man album selling multi-platinum). Unless you are Bon Jovi or U2, (or in the pop or rap genra) those kind of sales just aren't there in the US anymore.

[Don]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

No sure if that is going to sit well with Wal-Mart. They do exclusives to get people in the store. A drop off of 60% in sales compared to Revelation because promo went overseas might really hurt the band's relationship with the retailer.

The UK and Japan are the biggest markets on that list with each probably accounting for 10-15k in sales. Add that with another 15k total for the little countries. Not a bad international debut at all but then again, groups like Mr Big and Night Ranger have been cherry picking this market for years. The difference being they never had the US sales to go with it.

They did back in the early 90s (around the Lean Into It album) the US platinum sales rivaled Japan's. But then Grunge came in in the US pretty much wiping out most rock acts, but they continued to sell platinum in Japan ('96's Hey Man album selling multi-platinum). Unless you are Bon Jovi or U2, (or in the pop or rap genra) those kind of sales just aren't there in the US anymore.

I was talking more in the present, as with the success of Revelation and the steady sales of the Greatest Hits here in the States.

[brywool]

Nothing new there, for the most part North American's are idiots when it comes to appreciating talented rock acts.

... or anything else that requires more than a 3-second attention span.

[conversationpc]

Nothing new there, for the most part North American's are idiots when it comes to appreciating talented rock acts.

... or anything else that requires more than a 3-second attention span.

I agree with the first statement. It's always frustrated that American music fans are so fickle while Europe and Japan (especially), are much more steady with their tastes.

On the other hand, the second statement isn't really true, in my opinion. I find folks from other countries tend to be less patient than we here in America.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Nothing new there, for the most part North American's are idiots when it comes to appreciating talented rock acts.

... or anything else that requires more than a 3-second attention span.

Being a musician and playing drums on plenty of local original projects I note this..

IF the music gets air play, and is played enough the sheep think it is good because well, if the radio is playing it a lot it must be good. Doesnt matter if the song is crap or not. It is as if the industry is choosing the hits in some ways by forcing it down people throats until they think it is good. There are too many sheep ! The original scene in Louisivlle, ky is awful because of this kind of stuff.

Remeber Days of the new ? I know the lead singer Travis Meeks. I have played bills with him back when he was a solo coffee house act. He played rooms of 10 people doing originals for a while. He put a band together and still people not turning out. No shock... Then, the right person hears it, has faith, the stuff that had been played to death for people in this area from his gigs for quite a while all of a sudden were much better songs now that they were on the radio and he packed em in. The rest is history.. I have not talked to him in many years.. I know he is/was in bad shape with a fucking meth problem and he keeps relapsing according to friends of mine that still talk to him. Hope he gets his shit together.

[jrny84]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

No sure if that is going to sit well with Wal-Mart. They do exclusives to get people in the store. A drop off of 60% in sales compared to Revelation because promo went overseas might really hurt the band's relationship with the retailer.

The UK and Japan are the biggest markets on that list with each probably accounting for 10-15k in sales. Add that with another 15k total for the little countries. Not a bad international debut at all but then again, groups like Mr Big and Night Ranger have been cherry picking this market for years. The difference being they never had the US sales to go with it.

They did back in the early 90s (around the Lean Into It album) the US platinum sales rivaled Japan's. But then Grunge came in in the US pretty much wiping out most rock acts, but they continued to sell platinum in Japan ('96's Hey Man album selling multi-platinum). Unless you are Bon Jovi or U2, (or in the pop or rap genra) those kind of sales just aren't there in the US anymore.

I was talking more in the present, as with the success of Revelation and the steady sales of the Greatest Hits here in the States.

Don, do you think with Journey's 25-30,000 sold in the US, do they take the #8 or 9 spot on BB?

[Deb]

IF the music gets air play, and is played enough the sheep think it is good because well, if the radio is playing it a lot it must be good. Doesnt matter if the song is crap or not. It is as if the industry is choosing the hits in some ways by forcing it down people throats until they think it is good. There are too many sheep ! The original scene in Louisivlle, ky is awful because of this kind of stuff.

Wow! That has Dan (SJ) written all over it!

[Don]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

No sure if that is going to sit well with Wal-Mart. They do exclusives to get people in the store. A drop off of 60% in sales compared to Revelation because promo went overseas might really hurt the band's relationship with the retailer.

The UK and Japan are the biggest markets on that list with each probably accounting for 10-15k in sales. Add that with another 15k total for the little countries. Not a bad international debut at all but then again, groups like Mr Big and Night Ranger have been cherry picking this market for years. The difference being they never had the US sales to go with it.

They did back in the early 90s (around the Lean Into It album) the US platinum sales rivaled Japan's. But then Grunge came in in the US pretty much wiping out most rock acts, but they continued to sell platinum in Japan ('96's Hey Man album selling multi-platinum). Unless you are Bon Jovi or U2, (or in the pop or rap genra) those kind of sales just aren't there in the US anymore.

I was talking more in the present, as with the success of Revelation and the steady sales of the Greatest Hits here in the States.

Don, do you think with Journey's 25-30,000 sold in the US, do they take the #8 or 9 spot on BB?

I'm optimistic about them getting to #7 as they have the weekend ahead of them still but their digital sales on Amazon have tanked so that's a bit of a problem.

The 25 to 30k is projected, meaning as of Thursday morning they had a verified 15k in sales at that time. If people go shopping over this long weekend, they could still do 35- 40k I think.
Still, a tremendous drop off and possibly a blow to their exclusivity agreement with Wal-Mart if the store overstocked in anticipation of REV type numbers.
Monday will tell the tale.

[Deb]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

No sure if that is going to sit well with Wal-Mart. They do exclusives to get people in the store. A drop off of 60% in sales compared to Revelation because promo went overseas might really hurt the band's relationship with the retailer.

The UK and Japan are the biggest markets on that list with each probably accounting for 10-15k in sales. Add that with another 15k total for the little countries. Not a bad international debut at all but then again, groups like Mr Big and Night Ranger have been cherry picking this market for years. The difference being they never had the US sales to go with it.

They did back in the early 90s (around the Lean Into It album) the US platinum sales rivaled Japan's. But then Grunge came in in the US pretty much wiping out most rock acts, but they continued to sell platinum in Japan ('96's Hey Man album selling multi-platinum). Unless you are Bon Jovi or U2, (or in the pop or rap genra) those kind of sales just aren't there in the US anymore.

I was talking more in the present, as with the success of Revelation and the steady sales of the Greatest Hits here in the States.

Don, do you think with Journey's 25-30,000 sold in the US, do they take the #8 or 9 spot on BB?

I'm optimistic about them getting to #7 as they have the weekend ahead of them still but their digital sales on Amazon have tanked so that's a bit of a problem.

The 25 to 30k is projected, meaning as of Thursday morning they had a verified 15k in sales at that time. If people go shopping over this long weekend, they could still do 35- 40k I think.
Still, a tremendous drop off and possibly a blow to their exclusivity agreement with Wal-Mart if the store overstocked in anticipation of REV type numbers.
Monday will tell the tale.

Wow. Really? You mean MB's What If... could end up outselling (worldwide) Eclipse? What If.... sold 100K in the first 24 hours of release just in Japan. Booyah, now there is a little something I'd like to slip into my backpocket to whip out whenever SJ rattles on about stats.

Where do you even find worldwide stats like that?

[Don]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

No sure if that is going to sit well with Wal-Mart. They do exclusives to get people in the store. A drop off of 60% in sales compared to Revelation because promo went overseas might really hurt the band's relationship with the retailer.

The UK and Japan are the biggest markets on that list with each probably accounting for 10-15k in sales. Add that with another 15k total for the little countries. Not a bad international debut at all but then again, groups like Mr Big and Night Ranger have been cherry picking this market for years. The difference being they never had the US sales to go with it.

They did back in the early 90s (around the Lean Into It album) the US platinum sales rivaled Japan's. But then Grunge came in in the US pretty much wiping out most rock acts, but they continued to sell platinum in Japan ('96's Hey Man album selling multi-platinum). Unless you are Bon Jovi or U2, (or in the pop or rap genra) those kind of sales just aren't there in the US anymore.

I was talking more in the present, as with the success of Revelation and the steady sales of the Greatest Hits here in the States.

Don, do you think with Journey's 25-30,000 sold in the US, do they take the #8 or 9 spot on BB?

I'm optimistic about them getting to #7 as they have the weekend ahead of them still but their digital sales on Amazon have tanked so that's a bit of a problem.

The 25 to 30k is projected, meaning as of Thursday morning they had a verified 15k in sales at that time. If people go shopping over this long weekend, they could still do 35- 40k I think.
Still, a tremendous drop off and possibly a blow to their exclusivity agreement with Wal-Mart if the store overstocked in anticipation of REV type numbers.
Monday will tell the tale.

Wow. Really? You mean MB's What If... could end up outselling (worldwide) Eclipse? What If.... sold 100K in the first 24 hours of release just in Japan. Booyah, now there is a little something I'd like to slip into my backpocket to whip out whenever SJ rattles on about stats.

Where do you even find worldwide stats like that?

Journey is still sitting pretty high on the International charts. What I gave was potential figures. They could well be higher.
FYI: Mr. Big's "What If" sold 21,358 in it's first week of release in Japan, debuting at #7 on the chart. NOT 100k in the first 24 hours of release. Where the hell did you get that number?

[Deb]

[Journey is still sitting pretty high on the International charts. What I gave was potential figures. They could well be higher.
FYI: Mr. Big's "What If" sold 21,358 in it's first week of release in Japan, debuting at #7 on the chart. NOT 100k in the first 24 hours of release. Where the hell did you get that number?

Billy Sheehan himself commented being happy about it going Gold the first day in Japan. So I guess from the horse's mouth. Isn't Gold = to 100K? But I'm also pretty sure I read/heard that mentioned elsewhere too, besides Billy. Where did you get your stats?

[Don]

[Journey is still sitting pretty high on the International charts. What I gave was potential figures. They could well be higher.
FYI: Mr. Big's "What If" sold 21,358 in it's first week of release in Japan, debuting at #7 on the chart. NOT 100k in the first 24 hours of release. Where the hell did you get that number?

Billy Sheehan himself commented being happy about it going Gold the first day in Japan. So I guess from the horse's mouth. Isn't Gold = to 100K? If the MB guys were told incorrectly, guess my bad then. But I'm also pretty sure I heard that mentioned elsewhere too besides Billy. Where did you get your stats?

Japan's Billboard.

As of Feb 21, the album had sold 48,790 copies in Japan. Not sure where the guy got his 'Gold' statement from.

[Deb]

[Journey is still sitting pretty high on the International charts. What I gave was potential figures. They could well be higher.
FYI: Mr. Big's "What If" sold 21,358 in it's first week of release in Japan, debuting at #7 on the chart. NOT 100k in the first 24 hours of release. Where the hell did you get that number?

Billy Sheehan himself commented being happy about it going Gold the first day in Japan. So I guess from the horse's mouth. Isn't Gold = to 100K? If the MB guys were told incorrectly, guess my bad then. But I'm also pretty sure I heard that mentioned elsewhere too besides Billy. Where did you get your stats?

Japan's Billboard.

As of Feb 21, the album had sold 48,790 copies in Japan. Not sure where the guy got his 'Gold' statement from.

Not sure either, but he must have obviously been told that, as I recall he had it as his facebook status too, way back when.

[jrny10]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

Are you saying they didn't want good sales in the US now?

[Don]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

Are you saying they didn't want good sales in the US now?

I think that the band or management may have assumed that the Brand name alone would propel sales in the States. When they started working on this album, DSB was high on everyone's radar, the band was picking up awards for said song and getting front page credits on few AOR mags also. Unfortunately, Eclipse finally arrived at retail when all of the Journey mania had ebbed here in America. A bit of consumer fatigue may have set in with Journey music at the moment, at least here in the states.

[Saint John]

Wow. Really? You mean MB's What If... could end up outselling (worldwide) Eclipse? What If.... sold 100K in the first 24 hours of release just in Japan. Booyah, now there is a little something I'd like to slip into my backpocket to whip out whenever SJ rattles on about stats.

Where do you even find worldwide stats like that?

Deb, I've corrected your farcical bullshit about Mr Big's Japanese debut on no less than 3 occasions, even going so far as to post the exact criteria from the RIAA site. Why you continue to saunter around and post this erroneous bullshit is beyond me. But, since I'm such a nice guy, I'll explain it to you again. Billy quoted Japan's (ridiculous) criteria for Gold ... the same criteria that counts one downloaded song and one downloaded album the same. My *guess* is that Mr Big had 100,000+ downloaded songs sold in the first 24 hours, and that's why he's pounded his chest like Tarzan with a hard-on. Now assuming that the album has 12 tracks on it, that comes out to the equivalent of 8-9 thousand albums. Still excellent for the first 24 hours.

Straight from The Recording Industry Of Japan:

Certification awards

Currently, all music sales including singles, albums, digital download singles are on the same criteria. Unlike many countries, the highest certification is not called "Diamond" or "Platinum", but "Million".

Thresholds per award:

Gold-100,000
Platinum-250,000
Million-1,000,000

[jrny84]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

Are you saying they didn't want good sales in the US now?

I think that the band or management may have assumed that the Brand name alone would propel sales in the States. When they started working on this album, DSB was high on everyone's radar, the band was picking up awards for said song and getting front page credits on few AOR mags also. Unfortunately, Eclipse finally arrived at retail when all of the Journey mania had ebbed here in America. A bit of consumer fatigue may have set in with Journey music at the moment, at least here in the states.

I would have also thought that being one of the top 25 best selling bands in the states, having a top 5 album in 2008, and gaining a surge in popularity that the album on those attributes would have at least sold 50-80,000. Im still just in awe that it didnt do any better. I still predict it to reach anywhere between #8 and #10 on billboard. For some reason I dont know why, but I didnt think the album was going to do as well. My prediction was for it to reach #12 on billboard.

[Saint John]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

Are you saying they didn't want good sales in the US now?

No, not at all. Just spouting off a personal theory as to why they're doing so well overseas. They may have, as Don posted, taken the U.S. for granted and thought of domestic sales as "a given," and spent actual advertising and promotional $$$ elsewhere.

[Deb]

Wow. Really? You mean MB's What If... could end up outselling (worldwide) Eclipse? What If.... sold 100K in the first 24 hours of release just in Japan. Booyah, now there is a little something I'd like to slip into my backpocket to whip out whenever SJ rattles on about stats.

Where do you even find worldwide stats like that?

Deb, I've corrected your farcical bullshit about Mr Big's Japanese debut on no less than 3 occasions, even going so far as to post the exact criteria from the RIAA site. Why you continue to saunter around and post this erroneous bullshit is beyond me. But, since I'm such a nice guy, I'll explain it to you again. Billy quoted Japan's (ridiculous) criteria for Gold ... the same criteria that counts one downloaded song and one downloaded album the same. My *guess* is that Mr Big had 100,000+ downloaded songs sold in the first 24 hours, and that's why he's pounded his chest like Tarzan with a hard-on. Now assuming that the album has 12 tracks on it, that comes out to the equivalent of 8-9 thousand albums. Still excellent for the first 24 hours.

Straight from The Recording Industry Of Japan:

Certification awards

Currently, all music sales including singles, albums, digital download singles are on the same criteria. Unlike many countries, the highest certification is not called "Diamond" or "Platinum", but "Million".

Thresholds per award:

Gold-100,000
Platinum-250,000
Million-1,000,000

1. Sorry, now that you mention it, I do recall you saying something about the song/album thing *once*. Can you please show me the other *two*.

2. Ok I get it, so some were songs and some were whole albums? Guess it's kinda like that 3 discs in 1 towards Revelations stats thing.

[Don]

Wow. Really? You mean MB's What If... could end up outselling (worldwide) Eclipse? What If.... sold 100K in the first 24 hours of release just in Japan. Booyah, now there is a little something I'd like to slip into my backpocket to whip out whenever SJ rattles on about stats.

Where do you even find worldwide stats like that?

Deb, I've corrected your farcical bullshit about Mr Big's Japanese debut on no less than 3 occasions, even going so far as to post the exact criteria from the RIAA site. Why you continue to saunter around and post this erroneous bullshit is beyond me. But, since I'm such a nice guy, I'll explain it to you again. Billy quoted Japan's (ridiculous) criteria for Gold ... the same criteria that counts one downloaded song and one downloaded album the same. My *guess* is that Mr Big had 100,000+ downloaded songs sold in the first 24 hours, and that's why he's pounded his chest like Tarzan with a hard-on. Now assuming that the album has 12 tracks on it, that comes out to the equivalent of 8-9 thousand albums. Still excellent for the first 24 hours.

Straight from The Recording Industry Of Japan:

Certification awards

Currently, all music sales including singles, albums, digital download singles are on the same criteria. Unlike many countries, the highest certification is not called "Diamond" or "Platinum", but "Million".

Thresholds per award:

Gold-100,000
Platinum-250,000
Million-1,000,000

1. Sorry, now that you mention it, I do recall you saying something about the song/album thing *once*. Can you please show me the other *two*.

2. Ok I get it, so some were songs and some were whole albums? It's kinda like that 3 discs in 1 towards Revelations stats thing.

Deb, you are really reaching here.

[Deb]

Wow. Really? You mean MB's What If... could end up outselling (worldwide) Eclipse? What If.... sold 100K in the first 24 hours of release just in Japan. Booyah, now there is a little something I'd like to slip into my backpocket to whip out whenever SJ rattles on about stats.

Where do you even find worldwide stats like that?

Deb, I've corrected your farcical bullshit about Mr Big's Japanese debut on no less than 3 occasions, even going so far as to post the exact criteria from the RIAA site. Why you continue to saunter around and post this erroneous bullshit is beyond me. But, since I'm such a nice guy, I'll explain it to you again. Billy quoted Japan's (ridiculous) criteria for Gold ... the same criteria that counts one downloaded song and one downloaded album the same. My *guess* is that Mr Big had 100,000+ downloaded songs sold in the first 24 hours, and that's why he's pounded his chest like Tarzan with a hard-on. Now assuming that the album has 12 tracks on it, that comes out to the equivalent of 8-9 thousand albums. Still excellent for the first 24 hours.

Straight from The Recording Industry Of Japan:

Certification awards

Currently, all music sales including singles, albums, digital download singles are on the same criteria. Unlike many countries, the highest certification is not called "Diamond" or "Platinum", but "Million".

Thresholds per award:

Gold-100,000
Platinum-250,000
Million-1,000,000

1. Sorry, now that you mention it, I do recall you saying something about the song/album thing *once*. Can you please show me the other *two*.

2. Ok I get it, so some were songs and some were whole albums? Guess it's kinda like that 3 discs in 1 towards Revelations stats thing.

Deb, you are really reaching here.

I try.

[Duncan]

Nothing new there, for the most part North American's are idiots when it comes to appreciating talented rock acts.

... or anything else that requires more than a 3-second attention span.

I agree with the first statement. It's always frustrated that American music fans are so fickle while Europe and Japan (especially), are much more steady with their tastes.

On the other hand, the second statement isn't really true, in my opinion. I find folks from other countries tend to be less patient than we here in America.

You're having a laugh. You guys invented I want it all and I want it now. Come over here, join a queue, and I'll show you what it means to be patient.