President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Seven Wishes2]

Well, Chrysler has officially paid back all it owed from the auto bailout. That means almost all the money has been paid back with interest, and in the process, millions of jobs were saved.

Congressman Ryan's disastrous medicare-killing proposal is going to KILL the GOP, which could have probably assumed control of the House and Senate in 2012. The fact that every single Republican lackey has signed on to it - and those few who held out were held over the fire by the party - is amusing to the point of absurdity.

Bin Laden is dead. The economy has added millions of jobs in the past few months. If the trend continues, the GOP has NO SHOT for the Presidency in 2012, even if it's smart enough to nominate Romney.

Good luck, fuckers.

[S2M]

Well, Chrysler has officially paid back all it owed from the auto bailout. That means almost all the money has been paid back with interest, and in the process, millions of jobs were saved.

Congressman Ryan's disastrous medicare-killing proposal is going to KILL the GOP, which could have probably assumed control of the House and Senate in 2012. The fact that every single Republican lackey has signed on to it - and those few who held out were held over the fire by the party - is amusing to the point of absurdity.

Bin Laden is dead. The economy has added millions of jobs in the past few months. If the trend continues, the GOP has NO SHOT for the Presidency in 2012, even if it's smart enough to nominate Romney.

Good luck, fuckers.

Nobody in their right mind should back Obama. You're as bad as Hannity, and FF...but on the DEM side.

[slucero]

...all we need now is for Herbie Herbert's dick to grow a foot and all will be right in the world...

[The_Noble_Cause]

If the GOP goes with another RINO...

But McCain didn't run as a rino. He threw all his moderate principles away and appealed to the GOP base. Every stump speech was laced with troglodyte red meat about "socialism" and other assorted stupidity. I guess refusing to make Obama's birth certificate a campaign issue makes McCain a liberal, at least according to today's wacked-out GOP

[Rockindeano]

Well, Chrysler has officially paid back all it owed from the auto bailout. That means almost all the money has been paid back with interest, and in the process, millions of jobs were saved.

Congressman Ryan's disastrous medicare-killing proposal is going to KILL the GOP, which could have probably assumed control of the House and Senate in 2012. The fact that every single Republican lackey has signed on to it - and those few who held out were held over the fire by the party - is amusing to the point of absurdity.

Bin Laden is dead. The economy has added millions of jobs in the past few months. If the trend continues, the GOP has NO SHOT for the Presidency in 2012, even if it's smart enough to nominate Romney.

Good luck, fuckers.

Actually surprised Mitt is going to run. He must think he has a realistic shot, rather than waiting for a seemingly better shot in 2016. I am real curious to see who will run for the Dems in 16...Biden? Hillary? I still think she wins if and when she goes........

[steveo777]

Chrysler bailout has been paid back with more loans. This company is not out of the woods.
I work in the industry and that company is running on smoke and mirrors for the time being.

I'm glad I work in a Ford store. I can be proud of my company for not going bankrupt or taking any
government help. We're rocking.

2012 isn't far off and we can get a new president.

[Seven Wishes2]

2012 isn't far off and we can get a new president.

If you think anyone other than Romney has even a remote shot at becoming President in 2012, you're out of your mind. People are FURIOUS about the Medicare proposal.

[S2M]

2012 isn't far off and we can get a new president.

If you think anyone other than Romney has even a remote shot at becoming President in 2012, you're out of your mind. People are FURIOUS about the Medicare proposal.

I'm not voting for anyone that doesn't support the Fairtax...Herman Cain is a proponent. So he's ahead in my book. And the Medicare problem is solved very easy. Start giving seniors a bigger portion of their SS, and let them pay for health care themselves....or start making SS based on how much money you are worth at the time of retirement age. If you are a millionaire, you don't get SS - it goes back in the pot. Basically, if you can afford shit at retirement without SS - you don't get it.....

[RedWingFan]

If the GOP goes with another RINO...

But McCain didn't run as a rino. He threw all his moderate principles away and appealed to the GOP base. Every stump speech was laced with troglodyte red meat about "socialism" and other assorted stupidity. I guess refusing to make Obama's birth certificate a campaign issue makes McCain a liberal, at least according to today's wacked-out GOP

True, but real conservatives weren't stupid enough to fall for his campaign rhetoric after all his years and record as Senator of AZ. Were we really supposed to believe he wants a strong boarder after his backdoor amnesty deal he tried to pass w/ W?

He said the "media was his base". Libs might be stupid enough to believe every lying politician. Most conservatives are more discerning.

[Seven Wishes2]

Libs might be stupid enough to believe every lying politician. Most conservatives are more discerning.

That's why most Republicans are brainwashed and tricked into believing innumerable outright lies, and then parroting them to the world as if they're facts. Riiiight.

[donnaplease]

Received this in an email today:

So it's most likely bullshit. Next.

Confirmation on Snopes That TNC is correct

Thanks for that. It's very good to know that it was bullshit, because what I didn't show from the email was a picture of a wounded marine meeting with a politician. The notion about the congressmen getting full retirement after one term while soldiers have to work 20 years to get half pay was what astounded me. I guess it did what it was supposed to do, played on my emotions related to our armed forces. Grrr...

Thanks for clearing that up, now I've gotta set my sister-in-law straight!

[Seven Wishes2]

Wow. Way to just blatantly ignore the vast multitude of overwhelming and irrefutable posts I have made in the past two years affirming climate change is caused at least partly by humankind. Amazing. You and your Republican cronies are really over the top when it comes to this issue.

The so-called "climategate issue" you continue to beat your meats about has been fully discredited:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/some-climategate-conclusions/

[Seven Wishes2]

Would you like more cock with your humble hair pie?

[Rockindeano]

I'm looking for an upset in 2012....a darkhorse, if you will.....I fully expect the two frontrunners to beat on each other. Romney and Obama will have a knock down drag out, VERY dirty campaign.....and then some lower tier candidate will swoop in for the nomination. Obama can NOT run on his record, and Romney is about as charismatic as a Mel Gibson telephone call to his daughter....

Neither Barry, not Mitt will be your next CIC....book it! Thanks for playing. Insert another quarter....

You continue to confirm my belief that you are on drugs.

LOL, this isn't the Santa Anita Derby dumbass. You don't have a speed duel and burnout the front-runners while a horse in the garden spot, rates and collects the money. Barry has a 50 yd headstart, and oh yeah, dude is going to raise a BILLION dollars. At least FF, who is funny as Hell, and a pretty good dude, acknowledges facts....I think even FF would make BO the morning line favourite, probably 2-1 odds.


Here are the odds, per me:

Obama 1-1
Romney 9-2
Pawlenty 8-1
Gingrich 15-1
Palin 20-1
Bachmann 50-1

The rest of field 80-1
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Odds on GOP retaining the House....2-1

Odds of Dems taking back the House....10-1
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Odds of Dems retaing Senate...4-1

Odds of GOP overtaking and captring Sen...12-1

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Odds of S2M claming miscounts in 42 states....1-5

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Analysis...Way too early to tell. Factors can and will change.

Wish EA Sports would run a simulation. Those crazy bastars predicted a Vancouver- Boston Stanley Cup....Eeerie isn't it?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Most conservatives are more discerning.

Really? Then how come you guys remained so blind and dumb to the big government ways of Dubya? From the passage of No Child Left Behind to Medicare Part D up thru the Patriot Act, you didn't say shit. In fact, most of you still rush to defend him to this day. McCain didn't lose because he wasn't a true conservative. You're giving the average voter way too much credit. He lost because he was old and looked like shit. Most dumb Americans discern who's telegenic, who's not, and then cast the lever.

[RedWingFan]

Most conservatives are more discerning.

Really? Then how come you guys remained so blind and dumb to the big government ways of Dubya? From the passage of No Child Left Behind to Medicare Part D up thru the Patriot Act, you didn't say shit. In fact, most of you still rush to defend him to this day. McCain didn't lose because he wasn't a true conservative. You're giving the average voter way too much credit. He lost because he was old and looked like shit. Most dumb Americans discern who's telegenic, who's not, and then cast the lever.

Go back in this forum TNC and look at all the bitching some conservatives did about W's spending. You could pretty much go down the list myself, DavePc, Slucero. You either didn't see it because you didn't want to see it, or you couldn't see it because it doesn't fit into your worldview.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Poll: Palin near top of re-shaped GOP field

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/bel ... z1NU4fuRrL

Palin wont win the nomination. IF it starts to become more apparent that the republicans can win the election you will see a big name
jump in- Perry, Christie, or Jeb Bush.

Thats a huge if though. Right now the only ones running are those who know this (2012) is their only chance to run . The reason why? 2012 will be most polarising campaign ever. Obama will have to play the race card big time due to his popularity. On top of that if Palin gets the nomination we will have God haters vs the Religous Tunnel vison nuts spewing their venom back and forth so much that the rest of us in the middle will be thowing our hands up in despair saying what the fuck . And who ever winds gets to deal with a double dip recession economy hit further by the health care madates of the obama administration, debt driven inflation and all sorts of issues on a world stage combined with a rising China. (And as for Palin, no she isn't as dim as people say, she'll have this worked out just like all the other big guns have)

My personal hope is that one of the libertarian candidates Gary Johnson or Ron Paul catches fire in a way that might pave the way for another new libertarian like Rand Paul in 2016, because by that by that time I think people will start turning to those ideas. Thats the only good I can see coming out of 2012.

[slucero]

The worse the economy gets.. the further to the "right" the country will vote.

[Seven Wishes2]

Except it's NOT getting worse. It's been getting better for over a year now. There was a LOT of ground to make up after Dumbya nearly destroyed America.

And if you don't think the GOP, with the 2012 end zone and a potential sweep of the Executive and Lesislative branches in sight, fumbled the ball away for good between the highly, highly unpopular positions of opposing very mild tax increases on the richest Americans, and the laughable Ryan Medicare mandate, you're completely detached from reality, and need to remove the proverbial Faux dildo from your raw, puffy, pirulent, swollen sphincters. Plus, Obama got Osama.

Anyway, who would want the fucking job anyway? I'd rather be a third shift bathroom cleaner in circa early-90's Grand Central Station than President.

[donnaplease]

Except it's NOT getting worse. It's been getting better for over a year now. There was a LOT of ground to make up after Dumbya nearly destroyed America.

And if you don't think the GOP, with the 2012 end zone and a potential sweep of the Executive and Lesislative branches in sight, fumbled the ball away for good between the highly, highly unpopular positions of opposing very mild tax increases on the richest Americans, and the laughable Ryan Medicare mandate, you're completely detached from reality, and need to remove the proverbial Faux dildo from your raw, puffy, pirulent, swollen sphincters. Plus, Obama got Osama.

Anyway, who would want the fucking job anyway? I'd rather be a third shift bathroom cleaner in circa early-90's Grand Central Station than President.

I think the Paul Ryan plan is going to kill the GOP if the dems keep hammering it home as a killer to medicare. I listened to him talk about it a little bit today, and I think I understand the concept behind it a little more clearly. Honestly, we already have much of what he's proposing in place. Medicare already "subcontracts" their benefits administration to private insurance companies that act as a fiscal intermediary. "Medicare Advantage" plans are already available to those who choose to enroll, and Medicare Part D has many different plans to choose from, which has both pros and cons (more choices make things more competitive, but some plans don't include certain meds in their formularies, which limits your medication choices). If the idea is to simulate the part D plan, it could work ok (since we're kinda already doing it anyway) but the concept of "food stamps for healthcare" whereby seniors are expected to do all the leg work and maintenance of the plan themselves is a disaster. It would kill the healthcare system as we know it.

Medicare is the absolute wrong entitlement to pick on, IMO, and the risk to the republicans is huge. I would've started somewhere else... ANYWHERE else in choosing a platform to begin the election cycle.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Go back in this forum TNC and look at all the bitching some conservatives did about W's spending. You could pretty much go down the list myself, DavePc, Slucero. You either didn't see it because you didn't want to see it, or you couldn't see it because it doesn't fit into your worldview.

You were pining for the good ole days of W just a few pages back. You'd vote for him again in a heartbeat and u know it. Most of the 2012 GOP candidates are peddling the same garbage.

[slucero]

Except it's NOT getting worse. It's been getting better for over a year now. There was a LOT of ground to make up after Dumbya nearly destroyed America.

And if you don't think the GOP, with the 2012 end zone and a potential sweep of the Executive and Lesislative branches in sight, fumbled the ball away for good between the highly, highly unpopular positions of opposing very mild tax increases on the richest Americans, and the laughable Ryan Medicare mandate, you're completely detached from reality, and need to remove the proverbial Faux dildo from your raw, puffy, pirulent, swollen sphincters. Plus, Obama got Osama.


Anyway, who would want the fucking job anyway? I'd rather be a third shift bathroom cleaner in circa early-90's Grand Central Station than President.

You're reality has to be based in smoking crack then.. because when I analyze the governments own data... it tells a different story.

If you look into the governments own data... and examine the "rate of change"... and where its trending... we just dropped off a fucking cliff... Notice the rate of change (last column)

Motor Vehicle output is up.. because the majority of cars manufactured are now sold in China... it's not US consumption... because car sales are 3% - 5% of GDP...

The price indexes are reflecting inflation... and its not demand based (which is "good inflation") or else THAT would be reflected in a HIGHER GDP number...

So, in a nutshell... people are spending LESS.. yet prices are rising in the face of less spending...


The TREND is NEGATIVE

Source: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/nationa ... 11_2nd.xls



This is again the governments own data... called "Personal Consumption Expenditures" - meaning people spending money...
and we all know 70% of GDP is consumer spending.. so spending = better GDP... except...

Check out the last column again... Again the TREND is NEGATIVE



Source: http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/Tab ... tYear=2011




Ahh unemployment... lots of measurement data points... so lets look at them...

GREEN = GOOD
RED = BAD
BLUE = NO CHANGE

Again... the TREND is NEGATIVE


Source: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ce






Keep bogarting that pipe... and drinking that Kool Aid.,.. or better yet... man up and refute my post... go get the data yourself from the links I've provided and do the homework.. or STFU

[Seven Wishes2]

First of all, what you're forgetting to incorporate into your "thinking" that the GDP has increased if you factor in the increased cost of energy (oil) and its subsequent effect on the CPI. Everything therein is trending in the right direction. Additionally, the fourth quarter boost is the result of higher seasonal (Christmas) spending. It's right there in your own data chart!!!

Look, even Mitt Romney is now attempting to take credit for the very, very successful auto bailout - even though he vehemently opposed it in 2009, he is claiming to have "thought of it first" now that its success can no longer be denied.

Notice the overall unemployment rate:

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

It was at 8.2 when Obama, the country still reeling from Bush's budget, was sworn in. Seeing as the Bush budget (excluding the successful bailouts...see:
http://www.recovery.gov/About/RecoveryInAction/Pages/RecoveryInActionLanding.aspx) was the prime mover of at least the first six months of the Obama Administration...and if one (very legitimately) looks at September 2009 as the first date from which measurable negative or positive effects from Obama's economic policy can be gleaned, you'll see the unemployment rate was 9.8 IT'S NOW 9.0.

Compare that to Bush, whose policy effects can be traced back to mid-2001. Well, golly gee! It was BELOW 5.0 percent. That means it went up 4.9 PERCENT (as he is the only President in history to preside over two recessions and a net job loss over eight years).

Yeah, the modern conservative economic model works. Keep dreaming.

OWNED.

[RedWingFan]

Go back in this forum TNC and look at all the bitching some conservatives did about W's spending. You could pretty much go down the list myself, DavePc, Slucero. You either didn't see it because you didn't want to see it, or you couldn't see it because it doesn't fit into your worldview.

You were pining for the good ole days of W just a few pages back. You'd vote for him again in a heartbeat and u know it. Most of the 2012 GOP candidates are peddling the same garbage.

Hell with what we're dealing with now, I wouldn't mind seeing Mr. Peanut Carter back in the White House.

Those GOP candidates need to be swept away in the primaries.

[slucero]

First of all, what you're forgetting to incorporate into your "thinking" that the GDP has increased if you factor in the increased cost of energy (oil) and its subsequent effect on the CPI. Everything therein is trending in the right direction. Additionally, the fourth quarter boost is the result of higher seasonal (Christmas) spending. It's right there in your own data chart!!!

Look, even Mitt Romney is now attempting to take credit for the very, very successful auto bailout - even though he vehemently opposed it in 2009, he is claiming to have "thought of it first" now that its success can no longer be denied.

Holiday spending accounts for 3%-5% of Q4 GDP... example:

1. 2010 GDP of the U.S. was about $14.7 trillion
2. 2009 total holiday retail sales were $504 billion

That's 3.4% of the U.S. GDP... statistically insignificant... maybe you should stop quoting shit you have no understanding about...


And since you are fixating on GDP... that auto bailout has largely done nothing to resolve weak GDP.... because GDP is largely a measure of US CONSUMPTION... not production... and overall GDP is FALLING...

as you said... "It's right there in my own data chart!"


Strike ONE...

First of all, what you're forgetting to incorporate into your "thinking" that the GDP has increased if you factor in the increased cost of energy (oil) and its subsequent effect on the CPI. Everything therein is trending in the right direction. Additionally, the fourth quarter boost is the result of higher seasonal (Christmas) spending. It's right there in your own data chart!!!

Regarding oil... The increased cost of oil has caused CPI to rise and that increases GDP?.... If that were the case the GDP numbers released yesterday would reflect that growth... except they DON'T because GDP FELL... but the increase in fuel prices DOES appear in the price indexes.

That's called INFLATION Nancy...

Strike TWO....

Notice the overall unemployment rate:

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

It was at 8.2 when Obama, the country still reeling from Bush's budget, was sworn in. Seeing as the Bush budget (excluding the successful bailouts...see:
http://www.recovery.gov/About/RecoveryInAction/Pages/RecoveryInActionLanding.aspx) was the prime mover of at least the first six months of the Obama Administration...and if one (very legitimately) looks at September 2009 as the first date from which measurable negative or positive effects from Obama's economic policy can be gleaned, you'll see the unemployment rate was 9.8 IT'S NOW 9.0.

Compare that to Bush, whose policy effects can be traced back to mid-2001. Well, golly gee! It was BELOW 5.0 percent. That means it went up 4.9 PERCENT (as he is the only President in history to preside over two recessions and a net job loss over eight years).

First you need to get some schooling on unemployment measures:

1. U-1, persons unemployed 15 weeks or longer, as a percent of the civilian labor force;
2. U-2, job losers and persons who completed temporary jobs, as a percent of the civilian labor force;
3. U-3, total unemployed, as a percent of the civilian labor force (this is the definition used for the official unemployment rate):
4. U-4, total unemployed plus discouraged workers, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus discouraged workers;
5. U-5, total unemployed, plus discouraged workers, plus all other marginally attached workers, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers; and
6. U-6, total unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers.

The U3 rate doesn't include ALL who are unemployed. it's what the government uses so it can state single digits.... and snow fools like you...

Nearly all economists (liberal, conservative, Keynesian and Austrian) agree the U-6 is the REAL unemployment rate. And the U-6 is a bit higher than the U-3.. and trending HIGHER...

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS13327709

Here's the state rates if you wanna fill up some more of that empty skull: http://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm



Strike Three.. YER OUT...


I got your "owned"... right here...




It's not my data bitch .. it's the governments... get a clue and stop being a tool....

[Seven Wishes2]

That's 3.4% of the U.S. GDP... statistically insignificant... maybe you should stop quoting shit you have no understanding about..

Whatever. You're so full of shit you can't see past your own bullshit. That is a HUGE number and goes a long way towards explaining the dropoff that always occurs in the first quarter of the following fiscal year.

That's called INFLATION Nancy...

Fine, YOU call it "inflation". I'll call it what is irrefutably the single biggest economic concern in America today, as it affects EVERYTHING from food costs to transportation, and is caused (as I have proven already) by greedy speculators. Again, put your panties back on. You're wrong again.

The U3 rate doesn't include ALL who are unemployed. it's what the government uses so it can state single digits.... and snow fools like you..

Right, so it's unemployment under Obama, but not so under Bush? Dude, the country lost MILLIONS of jobs under Bush after adding TENS OF MILLIONS under Clinton. Before Bush? A surplus. After Bush? Crushing debt. YOU'RE JUST FLAT OUT WRONG HERE, and you're trying to bury the facts in jargon. Wrong again, sausage tits.

It's not my data bitch .. it's the governments... get a clue and stop being a tool....

That same data proves how terribly the GOP ruined the economy, and the recovery.gov website I linked proves it's saved the economy from ruin, where it was headed before Obama.

[slucero]

That's 3.4% of the U.S. GDP... statistically insignificant... maybe you should stop quoting shit you have no understanding about..

Whatever. You're so full of shit you can't see past your own bullshit. That is a HUGE number and goes a long way towards explaining the dropoff that always occurs in the first quarter of the following fiscal year.

Then prove it or STFU...

That's called INFLATION Nancy...

Fine, YOU call it "inflation". I'll call it what is irrefutably the single biggest economic concern in America today, as it affects EVERYTHING from food costs to transportation, and is caused (as I have proven already) by greedy speculators. Again, put your panties back on. You're wrong again.

Again... prove it empirically....

The U3 rate doesn't include ALL who are unemployed. it's what the government uses so it can state single digits.... and snow fools like you..

Right, so it's unemployment under Obama, but not so under Bush? Dude, the country lost MILLIONS of jobs under Bush after adding TENS OF MILLIONS under Clinton. Before Bush? A surplus. After Bush? Crushing debt. YOU'RE JUST FLAT OUT WRONG HERE, and you're trying to bury the facts in jargon. Wrong again, sausage tits.

I never said anything to that effect at all.. stop creating a strawman argument and refute the data... with data... or you'll simply be seen as ignorant...

It's not my data bitch .. it's the governments... get a clue and stop being a tool....

That same data proves how terribly the GOP ruined the economy, and the recovery.gov website I linked proves it's saved the economy from ruin, where it was headed before Obama.

Again with the straw-man... GOP, Dems.. it matters not... its what Congress VOTES that matters... not who's in POWER you stupid fuck... You are so consumed with your hatred of anything "not liberal" you can't see past it... that's too bad...


To wrap this up... you haven't disproved anything... all you've done is rant using straw-man arguments... and even after I gave you the data.. you still can't defend your position... if you do not understand the economic mechanics of what the data represents .. you understand nothing... Cut ~n~ pasting doesn't work here Nancy.. you need to 'splain your points... and YOUR logic (lol) behind them...

So, because you can't (or won't) defend you points, all of us here have to assume you have no idea what the hell you are talking about... so any rational person would have to dismiss any of your future rants on econ topics as those of an ignorant lunatic...



class dismissed...

[Seven Wishes2]

So, because you can't (or won't) defend you points, all of us here have to assume you have no idea what the hell you are talking about... so any rational person would have to dismiss any of your future rants on econ topics as those of an ignorant lunatic....

Fuckstick, I back up my posts with more facts than you do in a year. Just because you're a brainless GOP yes man does not mean you're EVER right. I was the one who posted facts, and YOU'RE the one who responded with doublespeak and feeble-minded, factually void Republican talking points. YOU are the one who needs to defend his posts, not me. I already have. Time and time again, over the past two years. Granted, I've been wrong before, but you're ALWAYS full of shit.

[Rick]

368 pages and this shit still isn't settled?

[ohsherrie]

After all this time and the rethugs are still chronically ignorant.

Nice try at enlightening them TNC, Seven and Deano.

It seems that they truly can't handle truth. They're frightened by it. They want to believe Jonah lived in the belly of a whale and Noah saved all the living creatures on earth on a boat.