President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Seven Wishes2]

Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade

Physicists say sunspot cycle is 'going into hibernation'

What may be the science story of the century is breaking this evening, as heavyweight US solar physicists announce that the Sun appears to be headed into a lengthy spell of low activity, which could mean that the Earth – far from facing a global warming problem – is actually headed into a mini Ice Age.

The announcement made on 14 June (18:00 UK time) comes from scientists at the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and US Air Force Research Laboratory. Three different analyses of the Sun's recent behaviour all indicate that a period of unusually low solar activity may be about to begin.

The Sun normally follows an 11-year cycle of activity. The current cycle, Cycle 24, is now supposed to be ramping up towards maximum strength. Increased numbers of sunspots and other indications ought to be happening: but in fact results so far are most disappointing. Scientists at the NSO now suspect, based on data showing decades-long trends leading to this point, that Cycle 25 may not happen at all.

This could have major implications for the Earth's climate. According to a statement issued by the NSO, announcing the research:

An immediate question is whether this slowdown presages a second Maunder Minimum, a 70-year period with virtually no sunspots [which occurred] during 1645-1715.

As NASA notes:

Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715. Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the "Little Ice Age" when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past.

During the Maunder Minimum and for periods either side of it, many European rivers which are ice-free today – including the Thames – routinely froze over, allowing ice skating and even for armies to march across them in some cases.

"This is highly unusual and unexpected," says Dr Frank Hill of the NSO. "But the fact that three completely different views of the Sun point in the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may be going into hibernation."

According to the collective wisdom of the NSO, another Maunder Minimum may very well be on the cards.

"If we are right," summarises Hill, "this could be the last solar maximum we'll see for a few decades. That would affect everything from space exploration to Earth's climate."


The big consequences of a major solar calm spell, however, would be climatic. The next few generations of humanity might not find themselves trying to cope with global warming but rather with a significant cooling. This could overturn decades of received wisdom on such things as CO2 emissions, and lead to radical shifts in government policy worldwide.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/ice_age/


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Dude...you dolt! I completely refuted this two weeks ago. Go back a few pages and read. THOROUGHLY and COMPLETELY DISCREDITED. So untrue, outight false, and full of shit that I can't believe I'm wasting time responding to it.
What will poor AlGore and 7 Wishes do now...stay tuned.

[Rockindeano]

Gallup: Obama Approval Rating Down to 42% Among Independents


I see where the Won went to Miami to fundraise the other day and in a 2,200 seat auditorium he sold only 980 tickets. Not good Barry.

I believe that was during the Heat's playoff loss at home. . Understandable.

[iceberg]

^^^^^^ FF, your lack of logic never ceases to amaze me. Let me run it down for you.

CFCs and pollution can still be attributing to an OVERALL Climate Change, even with your sunspot story.....and here's why.

That's like a kid telling another that he will graduate college because he is smart enough....then 3 years into his degree comes down with a disease that prohibits him from finishing....and then here comes that other kid saying, 'See, i knew you wouldn't graduate'

Go back to school and learn a thing, or two, before making your claims....it's embarrassing.

all i can tell you is if the climate is getting warmer, then why change the name? the entire "global warming" crisis panders to those who have terminal ADD and those who want to create a "green" business model to make money off of.

if you keep changing the name of what you consider to be so bad, then it really tells me you don't know what it is.

[Seven Wishes2]

In all fairness, "global warming" was a moniker used by the media, but never by mainstream, peer-reviewed climatologists.

[iceberg]

In all fairness, "global warming" was a moniker used by the media, but never by mainstream, peer-reviewed climatologists.

so they had motives to play with the data and name it something more menacing....

[Seven Wishes2]

The notion that the data was manipulated in any way has been thoroughly debunked beyond refute. It's a right wing propagandist lie. I've provided several links to that effect in the past few weeks.

[iceberg]

The notion that the data was manipulated in any way has been thoroughly debunked beyond refute. It's a right wing propagandist lie. I've provided several links to that effect in the past few weeks.

all i know is if the global warming crowd was around when the continents started shifting, they'd say man was at fault because of their silly tribal dances jacking with the plates and start demanding we drill iron rods 30 miles down to keep it from happening.

i have no doubt mankind has an affect on the weather. i have every doubt it's as extreme as the "left wing nutjobs" try to make it out to be.

and links. well why didn't you say so, that resolves everything. : ) can't be any links to the counterside, could there? and if there were, i'd just get more links.

either way - why do the people who seem to push it the hardest keep renaming it so pop culture can understand?

[Seven Wishes2]

I don't know why this Far Side strip came to mind just now, but here it is:

[conversationpc]

I don't know why this Far Side strip came to mind just now, but here it is:

It's too small to read.

[Seven Wishes2]

The indian doing the rain dance is holding the Rain Dance Book and says "FOUR steps to the left and three to the right. What dance was I doing?" as a bunch of hand blenders fall from the sky.

[conversationpc]

The indian doing the rain dance is holding the Rain Dance Book and says "FOUR steps to the left and three to the right. What dance was I doing?" as a bunch of hand blenders fall from the sky.

The Far Side rocks...Still my favorite cartoon strip to this day. I still think that guy should not have been allowed to retire it.

[Memorex]

BreakingNews Breaking News

Rep. Anthony Weiner tells friends he is stepping down - New York Times
28 minutes ago

So I stand corrected. This story just kept going. Surprising. But with the trickle release of pictures and new people, it just kept hanging around.

[hoagiepete]

In all fairness, "global warming" was a moniker used by the media, but never by mainstream, peer-reviewed climatologists.

Thanks for confirming what we all knew, that nutjob Al Gore is no climatologist.

[parfait]

The notion that the data was manipulated in any way has been thoroughly debunked beyond refute. It's a right wing propagandist lie. I've provided several links to that effect in the past few weeks.

all i know is if the global warming crowd was around when the continents started shifting, they'd say man was at fault because of their silly tribal dances jacking with the plates and start demanding we drill iron rods 30 miles down to keep it from happening.

i have no doubt mankind has an affect on the weather. i have every doubt it's as extreme as the "left wing nutjobs" try to make it out to be.

and links. well why didn't you say so, that resolves everything. : ) can't be any links to the counterside, could there? and if there were, i'd just get more links.

either way - why do the people who seem to push it the hardest keep renaming it so pop culture can understand?

The continents have always moved, and continues to do so; it's called continental drift. It's called global warming because of the earth's rise in temperature. It's the media that is making it out to be that the scientists are really split on this, but they're not; the consensus is that the rise in temperature comes form human made emission of green gases (deforestation and burning of fossil fuel). Some of it can be attribute to solar activity, sure, but it's undeniable that it's mostly man made.

Increase in sea temperature (water's density depends on its temperature) and deglacing, will be catastrophic for cities like London or for the millions of people living in shore communities in Asia and Africa.

So for next time: stop spreading nonsensical jibberjabber and get your facts straight.

[parfait]

Parfait, can you clue me in on when we need to vacate the beachfront condo in Myrtle Beach..I'd swear that for over 20 years now the water hasn't moved except for high and low tides. How much time do we have?

It's projected to have risen 30 cm (around 12 inches) by 2050. The mean rate is 1.8 mm per year. Myrtle beach is according to wikipedia 8 m over sea level. So you need at least a required rise of 8000 mm - and that'll take 4444 years with the current projections. You need to vacate in 6455 - so you can rock out with your cock out a while longer. However, most of New Orleans will be flooded in a matter of centuries, the same will London. The Maldives will be gone by 2100.

The problem is for many that this don't seem like much; 1,8 mm. When in fact, it's a fucking shitload. Not to mention that this great increase in water temperature will have a profound effect on water life. When the temperature changes, so does the density, and as an effect movement of the water too. Since the earth's is not in equilibrium, absorbing more than it is emitting, in turn warms the atmosphere. Most of it which is stored in the sea, because of its great heat absorbing capacity. When the equilibrium is reached, the evaporation of water will increase, in turn increasing the density of the atmosphere, which will result in increased overall temperature.

You simply don't mess with the sea.

[conversationpc]

London and New Orleans gone in a matter of centuries huh? Is that 1,2,3,4 or 5 centuries? I guess we'll all have to sit and wait to see who's right on this nonsense. Excuse me if I really don't give a flying fuck right now, I got living to do and Myrtle Beach looks like the place to go.

My goodness you people are gullible, stupid too. You're gonna give the AlGoreistas tons of your cash to forestall something that may or may not take place centuries from now? I need me a new scam to sell you dupes. I could use the cash to upgrade that condo and maybe move to the top floor.

You might want to install breakaway rafts in case the water reaches your floor.

[slucero]

Just tie off a small yacht to the side of the to floor... if the water ever reaches ya.... pop in the Cristopher Cross song "sailing".... and sail away... .

[parfait]

London and New Orleans gone in a matter of centuries huh? Is that 1,2,3,4 or 5 centuries? I guess we'll all have to sit and wait to see who's right on this nonsense. Excuse me if I really don't give a flying fuck right now, I got living to do and Myrtle Beach looks like the place to go.

My goodness you people are gullible, stupid too. You're gonna give the AlGoreistas tons of your cash to forestall something that may or may not take place centuries from now? I need me a new scam to sell you dupes. I could use the cash to upgrade that condo and maybe move to the top floor.

There's overwhelming evidence to the fact that it's human made and very, very serious. Maybe not for your generation, mine or the next ones, but it's coming. This is somewhat reminiscent of the evolutionary debate in the states. There's also in that case, overwhelming evidence for it - but it's still not approved by the general public. But that really doesn't matter.

It's not based on hunches or a masterplan by Toyota to sell Prius', but years of data collected and calculated on by physicists and geologists. The people in the west will manage, but most Asians and Africans just don't have the kind of money to buy a boat and sail away.

[bluejeangirl76]

Now we are all going to be forced into buying hummers.

But enough about Anthony Weiner!

There was a reporter I believe it was this morning, who actually said this on tv... "...it will all change now that this Weiner mess has exploded..."

[conversationpc]

Now we are all going to be forced into buying hummers.

But enough about Anthony Weiner!

There was a reporter I believe it was this morning, who actually said this on tv... "...it will all change now that this Weiner mess has exploded..."

[steveo777]

Now we are all going to be forced into buying hummers.

But enough about Anthony Weiner!

There was a reporter I believe it was this morning, who actually said this on tv... "...it will all change now that this Weiner mess has exploded..."

I never got why we cared about Weiner did with his weiner.

[parfait]

There is also overwhelming evidence that the Scientist at East Anglia and at Penn St. made up or fudged their data in order to receive more grant money. There is evidence of weather monitoring stations placed near exhaust vents or on roof tops of buildings and even near airport runways that magically recorded hotter than normal temps.

In fact, there is even overwhelming evidence that most French women only shave their legs every Feburary 29th.

This isn't based on one study - so whether or not some morons at Penn St. fudged some numbers is irrelevant. 32 national science academies, the representative of the world scientific and engineering academies and American association for the advancement of science all are in agreement. You can add a shitload of others too, which constitute basically the whole scientific community. The American chemical society issued the following statement:

Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.

The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

Sorry, man. This isn't even debatable.

[parfait]

The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

There will be always a small part of the scientific community which believes different from the majority, but again; the consensus is simply overwhelming. Believe what you want, seriously.

You still have scientists that believe the earth is 6000 years old - but them believing it doesn't make it right. Get it?

[parfait]

Consensus is not science.

Temperatures in the Arctic have increased over the last 100 years, he agreed, but that’s only because 100 years ago “was the coldest it’s been in a long time.”

* Arctic ice has melted, but ice has grown in Anartica. Between the two, there’s about as much ice as always.

* There are more polar bears now, not fewer. Canada issues 800 bear-hunting permits each year, he pointed out.

* Temperatures may be warmer in Greenland, but scientific experiments with ice fields show “that 4,000 years ago, it was warmer in Greenland than it is today.

Why the consensus of environmental catastrophe? Attention and money.

I'm not a geologist or a physicist, and can't possibly know if your quotes are even true. I'm conveying the fact however, that every god damn major scientific institution and organization in the world is disagreeing with you.

If you think this is some plot or whatever, then fine. That's your prerogative - but believing something simply doesn't make it right.

[Seven Wishes2]

The Democrats need to worry if there will be a Weiner shrinkage in his district following his resignation.

FF, do you realize you said Weiner was "pulling out"? I'm assuming that was intentional. Loved it.

[S2M]

There is also overwhelming evidence that the Scientist at East Anglia and at Penn St. made up or fudged their data in order to receive more grant money. There is evidence of weather monitoring stations placed near exhaust vents or on roof tops of buildings and even near airport runways that magically recorded hotter than normal temps.

In fact, there is even overwhelming evidence that most French women only shave their legs every Feburary 29th.

This isn't based on one study - so whether or not some morons at Penn St. fudged some numbers is irrelevant. 32 national science academies, the representative of the world scientific and engineering academies and American association for the advancement of science all are in agreement. You can add a shitload of others too, which constitute basically the whole scientific community. The American chemical society issued the following statement:

Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.

The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

Sorry, man. This isn't even debatable.

How do you suppose we regulate cows and humans from flatulating?!

[parfait]

Consensus is not science.

Temperatures in the Arctic have increased over the last 100 years, he agreed, but that’s only because 100 years ago “was the coldest it’s been in a long time.”

* Arctic ice has melted, but ice has grown in Anartica. Between the two, there’s about as much ice as always.

* There are more polar bears now, not fewer. Canada issues 800 bear-hunting permits each year, he pointed out.

* Temperatures may be warmer in Greenland, but scientific experiments with ice fields show “that 4,000 years ago, it was warmer in Greenland than it is today.

Why the consensus of environmental catastrophe? Attention and money.

I'm not a geologist or a physicist, and can't possibly know if your quotes are even true. I'm conveying the fact however, that every god damn major scientific institution and organization in the world is disagreeing with you.

If you think this is some plot or whatever, then fine. That's your prerogative - but believing something simply doesn't make it right.

Of course they disagree with me, they have trillions riding on willing dupes like you believing them so they can keep their jobs. I'll bet you thought Milli Vanilli rocked to.

Most scientists earn piss poor wages. Take your aluminum foil hat and your Illuminati theories someplace else.

[Rick]

Breaking News!!!

Congressman Anthony Weiner just announced he will run for
President and has selected Attorney General Eric Holder as his
Vice-Presidential running mate.

Weiner-Holder in 2012

[conversationpc]

Most scientists earn piss poor wages. Take your aluminum foil hat and your Illuminati theories someplace else.

Nice deflection...No one said the scientists themselves receive the trillions, dimwit. All that money goes to fund studies, projects, and the many organizations (many of which are corrupt) that work those studies and projects. So while the scientists doing the actual legwork may not be getting independently wealthy from those funds, the projects they work on do in a major way. Al Gore has basically enriched himself at the expense of the "scientific world" and many of the world's governments that he's duped in to believing faux-science.

BTW...Scientists do not earn piss-poor wages. There are scientists I know who don't bring in a ton of bank but they aren't hurting for it, either.

[Seven Wishes2]

Dude, my mega-hot but incredibly stupid college girlfriend LOVED Milli. Vanilli, not so much.