Michaele Salahi runs off with Neal Schon

[Arianddu]

There is no excuse for being an asshat and hurting people...

Neal isn't 14 years old.. even his fucking MOM said so...

playing the "rockstar" card is a cop out.....

It's all about perspective. Since he was 16 years old, someone like Neal has had carte blanche to do what he wants, when he wants, unchecked. Anyone who has that kind of unchecked free reign for 40 years isn't going to learn any lessons about being an adult because there's been nobody to teach him. He's not trying to be an "asshat", and I'm sure he's not intentionally trying to hurt people...he's just being his own self-centered self, just like he's always been.

....and I'm wondering how different that would have been if Herbie Herbert had stayed in management of the band? Neal always looked at Herbie as a father figure.

The father figure who shot and then later showed footage of Neal fucking a girl in front of the band and crew to his girlfriend and her mother to break them up because it looked like Neal was getting serious about her and wanted to settle down with one woman? Yeah...

[S2M]

Not true. You can still talk about being excited about an upcoming release, or discuss setlists - without getting into the tabloid-like banter.

We should get excited about Journey music? What planet are you from?

There is no bigger fan of RUSH or Kansas than myself....but ask me why Rich Williams wears an eye-patch, or what the outcome was of Lifeson's drunken assault case - and I couldn't tell you. It doesn't affect their music, and it doesn't factor in to my fandom.

I have a feeling I'd rival you as far as being a Kansas fan. I could tell you why Rich Williams wears an eye-patch, because he's stated the reasons in an interview not too long ago. I could tell you all about Steve Walsh's issues with drugs - because he's talked about it in interviews. I could tell you all about the process of John Elefante auditioning for Kansas - because he stated such in an interview. I could tell you all about Kerry Livgrin's battle with his recent stroke - because he's stated such in interviews and has the story on his website.

My point is, these rock stars put it all out in the open in interviews at one point or another. It becomes public knowledge because these people are "PUBLIC FIGURES". You can say not true all you want, but you're absolutely wrong. In regards to Neal Schon, I haven't said one word about his private life before this came up, because I didn't really care. However, since HE obviously is using this type of media exposure to flaunt the affair (bringing the woman up on stage with the band) then it gives people every right to talk about it.

You fell into my trap, so to speak, with the manner by which you replied to my post. The fact that you equate personal knowledge of bands members as evidence of your 'rival fandom' tells me a lot, and proves my point.

The music is all that matters. Personal stuff is peripheral nonsense. Not once in your post did you mention their music.

And to your point about since Neal puts the stuff out in public, 'we' have the right to talk about it. I have no quarms concerning your RIGHT to talk about it. I question the WHY.

[Greg]

Not true. You can still talk about being excited about an upcoming release, or discuss setlists - without getting into the tabloid-like banter.

We should get excited about Journey music? What planet are you from?

There is no bigger fan of RUSH or Kansas than myself....but ask me why Rich Williams wears an eye-patch, or what the outcome was of Lifeson's drunken assault case - and I couldn't tell you. It doesn't affect their music, and it doesn't factor in to my fandom.

I have a feeling I'd rival you as far as being a Kansas fan. I could tell you why Rich Williams wears an eye-patch, because he's stated the reasons in an interview not too long ago. I could tell you all about Steve Walsh's issues with drugs - because he's talked about it in interviews. I could tell you all about the process of John Elefante auditioning for Kansas - because he stated such in an interview. I could tell you all about Kerry Livgrin's battle with his recent stroke - because he's stated such in interviews and has the story on his website.

My point is, these rock stars put it all out in the open in interviews at one point or another. It becomes public knowledge because these people are "PUBLIC FIGURES". You can say not true all you want, but you're absolutely wrong. In regards to Neal Schon, I haven't said one word about his private life before this came up, because I didn't really care. However, since HE obviously is using this type of media exposure to flaunt the affair (bringing the woman up on stage with the band) then it gives people every right to talk about it.

You fell into my trap, so to speak, with the manner by which you replied to my post. The fact that you equate personal knowledge of bands members as evidence of your 'rival fandom' tells me a lot, and proves my point.

The music is all that matters. Personal stuff is peripheral nonsense. Not once in your post did you mention their music.

And to your point about since Neal puts the stuff out in public, 'we' have the right to talk about it. I have no quarms concerning your RIGHT to talk about it. I question the WHY.

So you're basically saying you're baiting people into arguments, and that would be a question of why? To me, that has nothing to do with music either, so I'd say before you point fingers at others, you need to realize those fingers are pointing right back at you! And as to your question of why talk about this stuff? It's simple --- it has every chance of affecting the band, in one way or another, it's record sales, and who knows, possibly the band's future. Sure, all of this might blow over and have absolutely no affect on the band - professionally - but this type of stuff does indirectly affect the band in some form.

Such as Steve Walsh's drug addictions killed his voice - which DID absolutely affect Kansas musically. Steve Perry's vocal/hip issues...affected Journey. Gramm's brain tumor affecting Foreigner - all of this stuff is personal stuff that those artists made public and all of that stuff affected those bands, musically. And for Neal Schon's current affair with this woman, I honestly can care less about who he sleeps with. As I have stated in another thread, I have no idea as to his personal life and don't care - EXCEPT - when it affects the band. Bringing this woman on stage with him is like bringing your girlfriend to work with you. That affects you professionally. And wanting her to get on the tour bus with him would also have an affect on this band. Just as Neal and the band complained about Perry riding around the country in a separate bus/vehicle with his then girlfriend Sherrie. Or about how Perry's personal life interfered with Journey's Raised on Radio tour - these people's personal lives are unfortunately not so personal and very much intertwined with their professional life. And when it comes to the music of Journey or any other band, this stuff IS going to affect the music one way or another.

Thinking that these rockstars' personal lives are completely separated from their professional lives is just a very naive way of seeing things.

[tammy]

Neal won?! Charlie Sheen must be proud.

[marco17]

If she has MS, I want to see Neal stick around when things start to go downhill with her health. My Grandmother had MS and I watched her struggle valiantly for many years until she was 87. I don't see Neal having the patience of willingness to be by her side when times get tough....should this whole last longer than his usual relationships.

[S2M]

Yeah, Greg, I baited an argument by claiming I was a huge Rush and Kansas fan.

You were the one that claimed you were more of a fan, and gave peripheral reasons.

I didn't do a thing...

I'm going to relate a college story that you won't care about, but I'll tell anyway. Because you seem to be just like one of my philosophy professors.

I was taking an upper level course in Epistemology, getting an 4.0 without coming to most classes. And just know that I even argued with my professors, winning a lot - not always, but enough that it was noticed...professors are blinded by ego, and can't fathom that a student may know more than them...

Anyway, when it came around to grade time, and the grades were posted on the bulletin board - I got a B+. So naturally I was in full argue mode. I met with the professor, relating that I received a 4.0, and asking why I received a lower grade. She responded with the defense of my attendance. I had missed roughly 60% of the classes...and that if I had bothered reading the syllabus, I wouldn't be asking the question. I then explained to her, that I was here specifically due to the syllabus...but needed to aak a question first.

She said, 'Ask your question, but it's not going to change your grade'.

I then went on to ask her WHY attendance mattered when I could get a 4.0 while missing 60% of her classes. And to please explain why attendance mattered.

She calmly stated that she felt that attendance led to class participation. To that I said that when I'm there, I participate. She claimed that it wasn't fair for the other students that show up everyday. And I knew right there that I had her....

I sat there for, honestly, 10 minutes, silent and thinking...she must have thought she had me.

When I felt that she had enough inner gloating, and her aire of superiority was at it's height, I replied...

In that case, what is the difference between ME not showing up, and the student that shows up everyday, but never says jack all semester....do you view us the same while grading?

And do you believe she had the fucking nerve to say 'no'? She said, 'At least they make the effort to show up'

As I stood up to walk out of her office, I looked her right in her eyes and replied, "That's not what you said. You said CLASS PARTICIPATION.'

She just sat there, leering at me. Epic FAIL.

In the aftermath, I went over her head to the academic board...and lost. A tenured professor, imagine that.

The moral is people tend to change their position in mid-debate when it isn't going their way....and that is what you did up there, Greg.....

[Jubilee]

Far be it from me to tarnish your self-proclaimed victory here, but haven't you confused class participation with class contribution?

[conversationpc]

:?

Far be it from me to tarnish your self-proclaimed victory here, but haven't you confused class participation with class contribution?

[Behshad]

Neal won?! Charlie Sheen must be proud.

[Behshad]

:?

Far be it from me to tarnish your self-proclaimed victory here, but haven't you confused class participation with class contribution?

[RedWingFan]

I have to admit. I haven't followed this whole Neil thing for the same reason I've never watched "Jersey Shore". I have better things to do than watch idiots being idiots in their personal lives.

But I did just read that last interview/column that Behshad posted. My only reaction is that Cain must be really embarrassed. Niel gets his way in crafting and releasing his crap cd. Then goes on the road and turns the whole thing into a degenerate circus. (Behshad: insert midget joke here) It really is a shame to the Journey name. Any remaining hope that Journey would rebound with any kind of quality follow up is gone.


Neel and whatshername will probably end up with their own show on Bravo. I see him become the next Flavor Flav. I wonder who's taller?

[S2M]

:?

Far be it from me to tarnish your self-proclaimed victory here, but haven't you confused class participation with class contribution?

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you were a classmate of mine, and possessed a syllabus. Pardon me.

Are you really intending to argue semantics now? Participation v. Contribution. The word she used was 'participation', which is different from just plain attendance - and for all intents and purposes, synonymous with 'contribution'.

[conversationpc]

I was taking an upper level course in Epistemology, getting an 4.0 without coming to most classes. And just know that I even argued with my professors, winning a lot - not always, but enough that it was noticed...professors are blinded by ego, and can't fathom that a student may know more than them...

Anyway, when it came around to grade time, and the grades were posted on the bulletin board - I got a B+. So naturally I was in full argue mode. I met with the professor, relating that I received a 4.0, and asking why I received a lower grade. She responded with the defense of my attendance. I had missed roughly 60% of the classes...and that if I had bothered reading the syllabus, I wouldn't be asking the question. I then explained to her, that I was here specifically due to the syllabus...but needed to aak a question first.

She said, 'Ask your question, but it's not going to change your grade'.

I then went on to ask her WHY attendance mattered when I could get a 4.0 while missing 60% of her classes. And to please explain why attendance mattered.

She calmly stated that she felt that attendance led to class participation. To that I said that when I'm there, I participate. She claimed that it wasn't fair for the other students that show up everyday. And I knew right there that I had her....

I sat there for, honestly, 10 minutes, silent and thinking...she must have thought she had me.

When I felt that she had enough inner gloating, and her aire of superiority was at it's height, I replied...

In that case, what is the difference between ME not showing up, and the student that shows up everyday, but never says jack all semester....do you view us the same while grading?

And do you believe she had the fucking nerve to say 'no'? She said, 'At least they make the effort to show up'

As I stood up to walk out of her office, I looked her right in her eyes and replied, "That's not what you said. You said CLASS PARTICIPATION.'

She just sat there, leering at me. Epic FAIL.

In the aftermath, I went over her head to the academic board...and lost. A tenured professor, imagine that.

The moral is people tend to change their position in mid-debate when it isn't going their way....and that is what you did up there, Greg.....

I agree with the Prof in this case. Honestly, I skipped class when I could in College but I see the wisdom in rewarding students who show up for class. Knowing the material is obviously the most important thing but you're also preparing for life after college and students who put in the additional work of showing up to class, just like showing up for work and being a team player, is also important. If you couldn't handle getting a lower grade because of it, then boo-freakin-hoo!

[S2M]

" I agree with the Prof in this case. Honestly, I skipped class when I could in College but I see the wisdom in rewarding students who show up for class. Knowing the material is obviously the most important thing but you're also preparing for life after college and students who put in the additional work of showing up to class, just like showing up for work and being a team player, is also important. If you couldn't handle getting a lower grade because of it, then boo-freakin-hoo!"


Well, her explanation was bogus. She made up, on the spot, a class participation excuse. Then when confronted with my counter-argument, switched back to attendance, then back to class participation when faced with another bit of logic. If class participation is one criteria for a full grade, then why treat students differently? Attending class, but not contributing is the same as not being there at all. I would think a philosophy professor would be aware of that kind of logic.

[Jubilee]

:?

Far be it from me to tarnish your self-proclaimed victory here, but haven't you confused class participation with class contribution?

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you were a classmate of mine, and possessed a syllabus. Pardon me.

Are you really intending to argue semantics now? Participation v. Contribution. The word she used was 'participation', which is different from just plain attendance - and for all intents and purposes, synonymous with 'contribution'.

There's absolutely no reason to apologize, sir. You are correct. I was not a classmate of yours, neither did I possess such a syllabus.

I think the argument can be made that participation and contribution are not synonymous. It is possible to participate in something without really contributing anything. It is possible to participate in sports, yet never really contribute because you're relegated to riding the pine. Alan Iverson contributed mightily on game day, but he apparently never saw the importance of participating in team practices on a regular basis. Okay, that was reaching, but you get the point I'm trying to make, right?

[Rip Rokken]

I was taking an upper level course in Epistemology, getting an 4.0 without coming to most classes. And just know that I even argued with my professors, winning a lot - not always, but enough that it was noticed...professors are blinded by ego, and can't fathom that a student may know more than them...

Anyway, when it came around to grade time, and the grades were posted on the bulletin board - I got a B+. So naturally I was in full argue mode. I met with the professor, relating that I received a 4.0, and asking why I received a lower grade. She responded with the defense of my attendance. I had missed roughly 60% of the classes...

I had the exact same experience in a world history course. Was creaming everybody on the tests (which were 75% essay), and it screwed up the grading curve for everyone else, lol. But I showed up to class maybe a 3rd of the time. My grade was dropped to a B+ and I was totally shocked because it wasn't good for my (thusfar) 4.0. Met with the professor and he gave me the same reason - attendance. That's how I came to know (epistemology!) not to cut so much class.

[Behshad]

I was taking an upper level course in Epistemology, getting an 4.0 without coming to most classes. And just know that I even argued with my professors, winning a lot - not always, but enough that it was noticed...professors are blinded by ego, and can't fathom that a student may know more than them...

Anyway, when it came around to grade time, and the grades were posted on the bulletin board - I got a B+. So naturally I was in full argue mode. I met with the professor, relating that I received a 4.0, and asking why I received a lower grade. She responded with the defense of my attendance. I had missed roughly 60% of the classes...

I had the exact same experience in a world history course. Was creaming everybody on the tests (which were 75% essay), and it screwed up the grading curve for everyone else, lol. But I showed up to class maybe a 3rd of the time. My grade was dropped to a B+ and I was totally shocked because it wasn't good for my (thusfar) 4.0. Met with the professor and he gave me the same reason - attendance. That's how I came to know (epistemology!) not to cut so much class.

This one's for both of you, bros

[Greg]

Yeah, Greg, I baited an argument by claiming I was a huge Rush and Kansas fan.

You were the one that claimed you were more of a fan, and gave peripheral reasons.

I didn't do a thing...

I'm going to relate a college story that you won't care about, but I'll tell anyway. Because you seem to be just like one of my philosophy professors.

I was taking an upper level course in Epistemology, getting an 4.0 without coming to most classes. And just know that I even argued with my professors, winning a lot - not always, but enough that it was noticed...professors are blinded by ego, and can't fathom that a student may know more than them...

Anyway, when it came around to grade time, and the grades were posted on the bulletin board - I got a B+. So naturally I was in full argue mode. I met with the professor, relating that I received a 4.0, and asking why I received a lower grade. She responded with the defense of my attendance. I had missed roughly 60% of the classes...and that if I had bothered reading the syllabus, I wouldn't be asking the question. I then explained to her, that I was here specifically due to the syllabus...but needed to aak a question first.

She said, 'Ask your question, but it's not going to change your grade'.

I then went on to ask her WHY attendance mattered when I could get a 4.0 while missing 60% of her classes. And to please explain why attendance mattered.

She calmly stated that she felt that attendance led to class participation. To that I said that when I'm there, I participate. She claimed that it wasn't fair for the other students that show up everyday. And I knew right there that I had her....

I sat there for, honestly, 10 minutes, silent and thinking...she must have thought she had me.

When I felt that she had enough inner gloating, and her aire of superiority was at it's height, I replied...

In that case, what is the difference between ME not showing up, and the student that shows up everyday, but never says jack all semester....do you view us the same while grading?

And do you believe she had the fucking nerve to say 'no'? She said, 'At least they make the effort to show up'

As I stood up to walk out of her office, I looked her right in her eyes and replied, "That's not what you said. You said CLASS PARTICIPATION.'

She just sat there, leering at me. Epic FAIL.

In the aftermath, I went over her head to the academic board...and lost. A tenured professor, imagine that.

The moral is people tend to change their position in mid-debate when it isn't going their way....and that is what you did up there, Greg.....

The epic FAIL comes into the play that you disrespected her position by not coming to her class. It sends a message of disrespect not only to that professor, but to the other students who busted their butts to make it to class as much as possible. A learning environment is not just textbooks, and I see this reflection in your posts quite a bit. You fail on so many levels to learn from others. I see this in a lot of people who pride themselves on being the "4.0 textbook genius". In my life experiences, nine times out of ten, those people wind up going through a huge epic fail at some point in their lives, because they suddenly don't have all the answers - and they don't know how to deal with it. Having basic common sense will always take you much further along in life than book smarts. Now, I'm not downing higher education - I have my B.S. in Computer I.T. and I was no worse than a 'B' student in college. But, the common every knowledge that life has taught me has carried me much further along than anything I have ever read out of a textbook. And while I will admit that I don't have all the answers to life's questions, I'm mentally stable and smart enough to deal with that.

Which brings me to your debate. I have absolutely no idea why you are debating me. These are the points I have simply made:

1. This is a discussion board - we discuss things here
2. We discuss music, sports, politics, religion here....
3. Neal Schon is a public figure - being that he is a famous rockstar
4. Public figures often have no private life unless they allow themselves to completely or mostly withdrawal from their profession.
5. Schon's adulterous scandal has been in the news, and it is one that he has invited into band business.
6. We discuss Journey - the rock band, and those discussions involve more than notes and riffs.
7. All of those points above are the reason why we are discussing Neal Schon and his affair with this White House Crasher woman.

[Michigan Girl]

I hope you brought your umbrellas, because it's raining
all kinds of facts up in here!!



I love this ...

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[JohnH]

Oh god, this takes the cake as best thread ever on melodicrock. I dodged a flying bullet up in Reno last Friday, and I really need the laughs guys, so thank you!

[JohnH]

Ken the Dude:

"I beg to differ. She's addicted to being an idiot and doing stupid shit."

Post of the year! Awesome!

[steveo777]

Oh god, this takes the cake as best thread ever on melodicrock. I dodged a flying bullet up in Reno last Friday, and I really need the laughs guys, so thank you!

If you're talking about the Reno air races, my sister was there too. She and my nephew dodged it too, but with her being trained as an EMT she helped some people
and saw some pretty gory stuff. Some people she hugged and comforted had been so close they still had wet flesh, blood and body parts on them.

[JohnH]

Yes Stevo, I mean the Races, deserves a seperate thread.

Back to the humour.


Meanwhile," Neal Plus 8 and the real housewives of neal" ...This is great stuff here folks, yall are incredible!

[SherriBerry]

If their story has any truth to it and they have been carrying on since last year, then Ava was used very badly. Why would you have any kind of ceremony, binding or not, when you are cheating with someone else waiting for her to leave her husband? (Well that doesn't sound good either does it? ) What a horrible thing to do to someone.

[KenTheDude]

Ken the Dude:

"I beg to differ. She's addicted to being an idiot and doing stupid shit."

Post of the year! Awesome!

[onmyjrny]

If their story has any truth to it and they have been carrying on since last year, then Ava was used very badly. Why would you have any kind of ceremony, binding or not, when you are cheating with someone else waiting for her to leave her husband? (Well that doesn't sound good either does it? ) What a horrible thing to do to someone.

It sounds like they were playing some sort of game, doesn't it? Probably part of the allure for her was when he got married...it upped the stakes a little. It IS a horrible thing to do to anyone.

From all accounts, these two belong together. But I can't imagine a long term thing coming from two such self centered people.

[conversationpc]

How the hell is her name pronounced anyway (I haven't been following this on the news, so I have no idea)? Every time I see it, I'm thinking it sounds like the man's name "Michael" with an E-sound.

[onmyjrny]

How the hell is her name pronounced anyway (I haven't been following this on the news, so I have no idea)? Every time I see it, I'm thinking it sounds like the man's name "Michael" with an E-sound.

The way I've heard it most is Mick-KALE.

[conversationpc]

How the hell is her name pronounced anyway (I haven't been following this on the news, so I have no idea)? Every time I see it, I'm thinking it sounds like the man's name "Michael" with an E-sound.

The way I've heard it most is Mick-KALE.

Well, however it's pronounced, she and Neal are skanks.

[koberry]

" I agree with the Prof in this case. Honestly, I skipped class when I could in College but I see the wisdom in rewarding students who show up for class. Knowing the material is obviously the most important thing but you're also preparing for life after college and students who put in the additional work of showing up to class, just like showing up for work and being a team player, is also important. If you couldn't handle getting a lower grade because of it, then boo-freakin-hoo!"


Well, her explanation was bogus. She made up, on the spot, a class participation excuse. Then when confronted with my counter-argument, switched back to attendance, then back to class participation when faced with another bit of logic. If class participation is one criteria for a full grade, then why treat students differently? Attending class, but not contributing is the same as not being there at all. I would think a philosophy professor would be aware of that kind of logic.

you sound like a real piece of work...