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Postby Monker » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:27 am

What is going to be the wacko excuse when he's reelected?

He was elected because Bush was the absolute worst president in the nation's history, and McCain was following in those same footsteps....and the people totally rejected it.

And, now the Republicans are offering the biggest bunch of losers since the Democrats nominated John Kerry. Are Republicans really so dumb that they think they can offer up another W and people will flock to him or her?



Fact Finder wrote:Explanation of Obama...


Obama: The Affirmative Action President by Matt Patterson

Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job?

Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer"; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote "present"); and finally an unaccomplished single term in United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions. He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as legislator.

And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama's "spiritual mentor"; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama's colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?

Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal: To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers would have lasted a single day. But because Mr. Obama was black, and therefore entitled in the eyes of liberaldom to have hung out with protesters against various American injustices, even if they were a bit extreme, he was given a pass.

Let that sink in: Obama was given a pass -- held to a lower standard -- because of the color of his skin. Podhoretz continues: And in any case, what did such ancient history matter when he was also articulate and elegant and (as he himself had said) "non-threatening," all of which gave him a fighting chance to become the first black president and thereby to lay the curse of racism to rest?

Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the Obama phenomenon -- affirmative action. Not in the legal sense, of course. But certainly in the motivating sentiment behind all affirmative action laws and regulations, which are designed primarily to make white people, and especially white liberals, feel good about themselves.

Unfortunately, minorities often suffer so that whites can pat themselves on the back. Liberals routinely admit minorities to schools for which they are not qualified, yet take no responsibility for the inevitable poor performance and high drop-out rates which follow. Liberals don't care if these minority students fail; liberals aren't around to witness the emotional devastation and deflated self esteem resulting from the racist policy that is affirmative action. Yes, racist. Holding someone to a separate standard merely because of the color of his skin -- that's affirmative action in a nutshell, and if that isn't racism, then nothing is. And that is what America did to Obama.

True, Obama himself was never troubled by his lack of achievements, but why would he be? As many have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for Columbia despite undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was good enough for the US Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois ; he was told he was good enough to be president despite no record at all in the Senate. All his life, every step of the way, Obama was told he was good enough for the next step, in spite of ample evidence to the contrary. What could this breed if not the sort of empty narcissism on display every time Obama speaks?

In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked executive qualifications nonetheless raved about Obama's oratory skills, intellect, and cool character. Those people -- conservatives included -- ought now to be deeply embarrassed. The man thinks and speaks in the hoariest of clichés, and that's when he has his teleprompter in front of him; when the prompter is absent he can barely think or speak at all. Not one original idea has ever issued from his mouth -- it's all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that has failed over and over again for 100 years.

And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and everything else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I inherited this mess. It is embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise his own powerlessness, so comfortable with his own incompetence. But really, what were we to expect? The man has never been responsible for anything, so how do we expect him to act responsibly?

In short: our president is a small and small-minded man, with neither the temperament nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand that, and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of liberty and prosperity make sense. It could not have gone otherwise with such a man in the Oval Office.

But hey, at least we got to feel good about ourselves for a little while. And really, isn't that all that matters these days?

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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:14 am

Fact Finder wrote:ok....Mr. Newt is giving me a woody.... :lol:

Gingrich said that after he wins the Republican nomination he’ll challenge Obama to “seven Lincoln-Douglas style three-hour debates” — with a timekeeper, but, he added to great cheers from the crowd, no moderator — repeating a promise he made at last week’s debate in Las Vegas.

Should Obama decline his challenge, Gingrich vowed to tail the president on the campaign trail, speaking after him in every town he visits — just like Lincoln did to Douglas.

“I will methodically take apart every Obama speech from October until the election,” he said.



Go Newt Go!


Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt, I should think, eh, FartFinder?
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:40 am

Fact Finder wrote:
read and weep 7.... :lol:


You do know you guys aren't going to win next year, right? A bunch of unelectectable, idiotic morons "running' for POTUS on your side. I would be shameful to be called a republican. Hey but whatever, everyone can dream, right?
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:19 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
read and weep 7.... :lol:


You do know you guys aren't going to win next year, right? A bunch of unelectectable, idiotic morons "running' for POTUS on your side. I would be shameful to be called a republican. Hey but whatever, everyone can dream, right?


It would be more shameful to be called a politician of any stripe...99% of them could careless about you, but will certainly pay you lip service to get elected, after that good luck.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:00 am

Spin spin and more spin. True, many in BOTH parties suck, but what the right stands for is sickening. Be proud, I guess. :roll:
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:16 am

Rockindeano wrote:Spin spin and more spin. True, many in BOTH parties suck, but what the right stands for is sickening. Be proud, I guess. :roll:


Really??? How so???
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Postby slucero » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:34 am

Rockindeano wrote:Spin spin and more spin. True, many in BOTH parties suck, but what the right stands for is sickening. Be proud, I guess. :roll:



I've said this to you before... and it bears repeating...

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The sooner you figure out that Washington politicians. Dems and Reps alike, serve the same Masters... the sooner you'll figure out who to really be mad at... until then you're playing directly into both parties hands...



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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:32 pm

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Right O Mr. 7 Cells....here....now....finally....is someone admitting the truth and it's what I've been saying for 3 years right on this site...


Michael Bloomberg tried to explain that to Occupy Wall Street protesters this morning, and pointed out the contradiction between their protests and their demands:

“I hear your complaints,” Bloomberg said. “Some of them are totally unfounded. It was not the banks that created the mortgage crisis. It was, plain and simple, Congress who forced everybody to go and give mortgages to people who were on the cusp. Now, I’m not saying I’m sure that was terrible policy, because a lot of those people who got homes still have them and they wouldn’t gave gotten them without that.

“But they were the ones who pushed Fannie and Freddie to make a bunch of loans that were imprudent, if you will. They were the ones that pushed the banks to loan to everybody. And now we want to go vilify the banks because it’s one target, it’s easy to blame them and congress certainly isn’t going to blame themselves. At the same time, Congress is trying to pressure banks to loosen their lending standards to make more loans. This is exactly the same speech they criticized them for.”


Bloomberg went on to say it’s “cathartic” and “entertaining” to blame people, but the important thing now is to fix the problem.





So call me a fool. I don't care cause I know I'm right and this whoile mess can be laid at the hands of Bill, Barney, Chris, and Janet with the head start given by Jimmah Carter...

read and weep 7.... :lol:



You're both misinformed (or liars). Various Fed Reserve studies found that Freddie and Fannie were trailing private unregulated lenders in terms of subprime market share. Community Reinvestment Act mortgages also had a much lower rate of default precisely because they did come with strings attached. I've posted the links on here countless times. Here's one...

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/feds ... 136pap.pdf
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:48 pm

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So call me a fool. I don't care cause I know I'm right and this whole mess can be laid at the hands of Bill, Barney, Chris, and Janet with the head start given by Jimmah Carter...

read and weep 7.... :lol:


The only problem with your argument is that it's factually void. Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act passed in the Senate 90–8 (one not voting) and in the House: 362–57 (15 not voting). The legislation was signed into law by Clinton on November 12, 1999. In other words, if you choose to blame Glass-Steagall (which was signed into law in 1933, incidentally) and its subsequent provisions and revisions, you need to acknowledge just about every Democratic and Republican member of Congress voted for it. Secondly, many economists believe the 1999 Act actually helped fend off a recession.

http://www.northwesternfinancialreview.com/archives/Oct15_08/oct15_08regreform_leach.html

You may "know" you're "right" but the actual facts don't support your factoids. Good luck, son.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:52 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:You're both misinformed (or liars). Various Fed Reserve studies found that Freddie and Fannie were trailing private unregulated lenders in terms of subprime market share. Community Reinvestment Act mortgages also had a much lower rate of default precisely because they did come with strings attached. I've posted the links on here countless times. Here's one...

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/feds ... 136pap.pdf


I really have no idea what you're talking about here since I was referring to a completely unrelated comment and topic.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:54 pm

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Rockindeano wrote:Spin spin and more spin. True, many in BOTH parties suck, but what the right stands for is sickening. Be proud, I guess. :roll:



It's better than what the left, or should I say the 47% stands for, who apparently espouse slavery for the other 53% of us. We slave and they get free money/homes/phones and food from us worker bees. Nice ideaology you guys have IMO.


Jesus, just how brainwashed ARE you? Holy shit. You guys just never fail to regurgitate Limbaugh's latest factually void rants. I listen to him, too...sometimes for a half an hour a day. Then I fact check everything he says. He's almost always completely full of shit. But you guys don't even ATTEMPT to change the delivery a little bit, or even paraphrase. You just repeat him, line for line, verbatim. It's REALLY fucking scary.
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Postby slucero » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:12 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:
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So call me a fool. I don't care cause I know I'm right and this whole mess can be laid at the hands of Bill, Barney, Chris, and Janet with the head start given by Jimmah Carter...

read and weep 7.... :lol:


The only problem with your argument is that it's factually void. Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act passed in the Senate 90–8 (one not voting) and in the House: 362–57 (15 not voting). The legislation was signed into law by Clinton on November 12, 1999. In other words, if you choose to blame Glass-Steagall (which was signed into law in 1933, incidentally) and its subsequent provisions and revisions, you need to acknowledge just about every Democratic and Republican member of Congress voted for it. Secondly, many economists believe the 1999 Act actually helped fend off a recession.

http://www.northwesternfinancialreview.com/archives/Oct15_08/oct15_08regreform_leach.html

You may "know" you're "right" but the actual facts don't support your factoids. Good luck, son.



Is it just me.. or is it kinda odd that the guy who authored this piece is the same fella that co-wrote/sponsored the act that repealed Glass-Steagal?

And that he felt compelled to write a piece defending his legislation... on October 15, 2008, exactly one month to the day after Lehman failed?


7 - don't forget that the "economist in chief", Bernanke, said everything was fine the day before Lehman failed.

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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:08 am

I'm not disputing that. I personally believe it was a failure.

My point was, the Act was almost unanimously supported by BOTH parties. Every single member of Congress that voted for the Gramm–Leach–Bliley shares the blame, if you subscribe to the theory that it was that legislation that led to the housing crisis.
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Postby slucero » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:49 am

Seven Wishes wrote:I'm not disputing that. I personally believe it was a failure.

My point was, the Act was almost unanimously supported by BOTH parties. Every single member of Congress that voted for the Gramm–Leach–Bliley shares the blame, if you subscribe to the theory that it was that legislation that led to the housing crisis.


gotcha... agree too.

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Postby S2M » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:36 am

Have you watched 'Margin Call' yet? If not, please do....there's your answer right there.....
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Postby slucero » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:44 am

The greed in Wall Street is necessary for it's function... but only when kept in check via regulation... and enforcement...

Margin Call is a good movie... but it's premise is only a symptom.... we need to examine and fix the underlying cause.... which is a lack of oversight...

When that good regulation is removed... as was done when Glass Steagal was repealed... we get greed unrestrained - and what results is 1929... and 2008....

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Postby S2M » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:30 pm

How about Fannie and Freddie being in hock with the American taxpayers for 141 BILLION, yet handing out 13 Million in bonuses for their CEOs in 2010.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:54 pm

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:You're both misinformed (or liars). Various Fed Reserve studies found that Freddie and Fannie were trailing private unregulated lenders in terms of subprime market share. Community Reinvestment Act mortgages also had a much lower rate of default precisely because they did come with strings attached. I've posted the links on here countless times. Here's one...

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/feds ... 136pap.pdf


I really have no idea what you're talking about here since I was referring to a completely unrelated comment and topic.


I quoted FF and his predictable copy n' paste job, not you. The two liars (or misinformers) in question are FF and Mayor Bloomberg. Before you take offense at a post, read it.
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Postby slucero » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:07 pm

S2M wrote:How about Fannie and Freddie being in hock with the American taxpayers for 141 BILLION, yet handing out 13 Million in bonuses for their CEOs in 2010.


Same problem.. bad regulation, and a lack of oversight

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Postby S2M » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:09 am

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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:19 am

Biggest jump ever seen in global warming gases

Still in denial, guys? Give me a fucking break. This shit is signed, sealed, and delivered.

Go ahead and copy and paste the inevitable coal-industry "former NASA scientist" lackey and his outrageous, outlandish, and throughly refutable assertions. It's time for you stop giving Limbaugh a rim job on this one.

http://news.yahoo.com/biggest-jump-ever-seen-global-warming-gases-183955211.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide jumped by the biggest amount on record, the U.S. Department of Energy calculated, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming.

The new figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago.

"The more we talk about the need to control emissions, the more they are growing," said John Reilly, co-director of MIT's Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change.

The world pumped about 564 million more tons (512 million metric tons) of carbon into the air in 2010 than it did in 2009. That's an increase of 6 percent. That amount of extra pollution eclipses the individual emissions of all but three countries — China, the United States and India, the world's top producers of greenhouse gases.

Even though global warming skeptics have attacked the climate change panel as being too alarmist, scientists have generally found their predictions too conservative, Reilly said. He said his university worked on emissions scenarios, their likelihood, and what would happen. The IPCC's worst case scenario was only about in the middle of what MIT calculated are likely scenarios.

Chris Field of Stanford University, head of one of the IPCC's working groups, said the panel's emissions scenarios are intended to be more accurate in the long term and are less so in earlier years. He said the question now among scientists is whether the future is the panel's worst case scenario "or something more extreme."
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Postby Rick » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:31 am

Seven Wishes wrote:Biggest jump ever seen in global warming gases

Still in denial, guys? Give me a fucking break. This shit is signed, sealed, and delivered.

Go ahead and copy and paste the inevitable coal-industry "former NASA scientist" lackey and his outrageous, outlandish, and throughly refutable assertions. It's time for you stop giving Limbaugh a rim job on this one.

http://news.yahoo.com/biggest-jump-ever-seen-global-warming-gases-183955211.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide jumped by the biggest amount on record, the U.S. Department of Energy calculated, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming.

The new figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago.

"The more we talk about the need to control emissions, the more they are growing," said John Reilly, co-director of MIT's Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change.

The world pumped about 564 million more tons (512 million metric tons) of carbon into the air in 2010 than it did in 2009. That's an increase of 6 percent. That amount of extra pollution eclipses the individual emissions of all but three countries — China, the United States and India, the world's top producers of greenhouse gases.

Even though global warming skeptics have attacked the climate change panel as being too alarmist, scientists have generally found their predictions too conservative, Reilly said. He said his university worked on emissions scenarios, their likelihood, and what would happen. The IPCC's worst case scenario was only about in the middle of what MIT calculated are likely scenarios.

Chris Field of Stanford University, head of one of the IPCC's working groups, said the panel's emissions scenarios are intended to be more accurate in the long term and are less so in earlier years. He said the question now among scientists is whether the future is the panel's worst case scenario "or something more extreme."


I can't believe, in this day and age, the way we do anything is by setting something on fire. You would think we would have a better way. Jet aircraft fly through the air by setting something on fire. Electricity is made by setting something on fire. I just can't believe we haven't gotten past that which cavemen discovered. Nuclear energy is one, but what do they do with that energy? Boil fucking water to make electricity. :lol:
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:43 pm

Whatever became of that guy who produced combustible energy from water? I'm sure Big Oil has had him whacked.
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Postby Rick » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:47 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Whatever became of that guy who produced combustible energy from water? I'm sure Big Oil has had him whacked.


They just give them a bag of money and tell them to go away forever.
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Postby slucero » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:38 pm

yup... I invent cold fusion... and they drop 100 Million on me... I'm gone..

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Postby Rick » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:52 pm

slucero wrote:yup... I invent cold fusion... and they drop 100 Million on me... I'm gone..


I wonder how much stuff like that really is being squelched? Look how advanced we are in other areas, but still setting shit on fire to put satellites in orbit.
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Rick wrote:
slucero wrote:yup... I invent cold fusion... and they drop 100 Million on me... I'm gone..


I wonder how much stuff like that really is being squelched? Look how advanced we are in other areas, but still setting shit on fire to put satellites in orbit.



really there is no replacement for fossil fuels... at least when comparing at a "energy-return/cost" perspective... and whole industries are petro-chemically based... the re-tolling costs would likely be colossal.

So industry does its best to squelch alternatives...
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Postby Memorex » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:32 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Biggest jump ever seen in global warming gases

Still in denial, guys? Give me a fucking break. This shit is signed, sealed, and delivered.

Go ahead and copy and paste the inevitable coal-industry "former NASA scientist" lackey and his outrageous, outlandish, and throughly refutable assertions. It's time for you stop giving Limbaugh a rim job on this one.

http://news.yahoo.com/biggest-jump-ever-seen-global-warming-gases-183955211.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide jumped by the biggest amount on record, the U.S. Department of Energy calculated, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming.

The new figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago.

"The more we talk about the need to control emissions, the more they are growing," said John Reilly, co-director of MIT's Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change.

The world pumped about 564 million more tons (512 million metric tons) of carbon into the air in 2010 than it did in 2009. That's an increase of 6 percent. That amount of extra pollution eclipses the individual emissions of all but three countries — China, the United States and India, the world's top producers of greenhouse gases.

Even though global warming skeptics have attacked the climate change panel as being too alarmist, scientists have generally found their predictions too conservative, Reilly said. He said his university worked on emissions scenarios, their likelihood, and what would happen. The IPCC's worst case scenario was only about in the middle of what MIT calculated are likely scenarios.

Chris Field of Stanford University, head of one of the IPCC's working groups, said the panel's emissions scenarios are intended to be more accurate in the long term and are less so in earlier years. He said the question now among scientists is whether the future is the panel's worst case scenario "or something more extreme."


I read somewhere the other day that these emissions are growing, but that since we have seen no real warming in 12-13 years, it kind of proves the opposite of what this article is saying. That the heat really isn't being trapped. Signed, sealed, and delivered? I guess for me it will be when we see a real trend of some sort that has never occurred. A big storm hits and everyone cries climate change but they fail to see the sub-heading that says, "Biggest since 1952...". Which tells me that big storms happen every so often. This past hurricane season was supposed to be all hell breaking loose. I know there were a couple storms, but only 1 or 2 were anything worth writing about.

Here's what it all boils down to for me. When climate change hysteria stops filling the pockets of greedy, hypocritical, useless organizations and people, I will give it the credit I used to. Until then, I'll just keep looking out the window waiting for change.

In the meantime, we should all do our best to reduce pollution just for the air quality alone.
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Postby Memorex » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:37 pm

By the way - I now live in the state of 10,000 lakes. Or is it 12,000? I don't know other than there is water everywhere and mosquitoes to match. When one asks how so much water exists in the flattest damn place I've ever seen, you have to go back to the ice age ending, the glaciers sliding down from the north which cut huge groves into the land which then filled with water when the ice melted. So when I see a piece of ice break off up north and everyone runs like there is going to be a flood, forgive me if I don't panic anymore. When I look outside and see Mount Icefornow sliding toward my house, I'll thank my lucky stars I have that gas-guzzling SUV to help me get the hell out of there. :)
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:43 am

Memorex wrote:I read somewhere the other day that these emissions are growing, but that since we have seen no real warming in 12-13 years, it kind of proves the opposite of what this article is saying.


Complete and total fabrication. The last 15 years have seen the highest average global temperatures ever recorded. You're simply choosing to read articles written by people who themselves are choosing to ignore the truth.
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