President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

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Postby slucero » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:21 am

Rockindeano wrote:Hey Cons-

Hahaha, how are you Cons doing?

Let's reset the recent GOP "movement," shall we?

We see a guy who can't answer a question about Libya, who answers every question with a ridiculous "9-9-9" answer, a robot frontrunner nobody wants, nor who can even compete with Obama, a jughead ex Speaker while very smart, has more skeletons in his closet than a Halloween store, is always pissed at the media, and finally, a bufoon who cannot remember 3 departments of Govt he would cut if he somehow "got there" to do so. The closest Rick Perry is getting to the White House is a public tour. Oh yeah, also, there are three republican governors who all returned billions of FREE money from the Federal Govt for high speed rail that would have created thousands of jobs, a project the citizens of Florida, Wisconsin and Ohio all wanted- and all three are in big trouble- one of which looks like he'll be recalled in 6 months.

HUGE momentum you morons got going into 2012.

I'll laugh my ass off if the House goes back to Democrats, which is a very real possibility.
I see a GOP Governor is getting recalled



Only a moron would think a Republican OR a Democrat is the answer to Republican/Democratic caused stupidity.... but you knock yerself out there and stroke it for Nobama... who, just like those Reps you hate so much.. has done nothing except maintain the status quo.

Here you go D-No... this is the 3rd time... maybe you'll eventually "get it"... but I'm not betting you will

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The sooner you figure out that Washington politicians. Dems and Reps alike, serve the same Masters... the sooner you'll figure out who to really be mad at... until then you're playing directly into both parties hands...



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Postby Slander » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:26 am

slucero wrote:Only a moron would think a Republican OR a Democrat is the answer to Republican/Democratic caused stupidity....
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Dude, no one is making the case that this has been a great Presidency or that Obama is the answer. I think myself and Rockin are making the case that the GOP chances of taking the White House are not very good. First, one term presidents always face a primary challenge! Obama will not! Ford faced Reagan, Carter faced Kennedy, and Bush Sr faced Buchannan. Their chances of winning were damaged. Obama will be campaigning while these idiots will destroy each other.
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Postby Slander » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:30 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Slander wrote:
slucero wrote:Only a moron would think a Republican OR a Democrat is the answer to Republican/Democratic caused stupidity....
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Dude, no one is making the case that this has been a great Presidency or that Obama is the answer. I think myself and Rockin are making the case that the GOP chances of taking the White House are not very good. First, one term presidents always face a primary challenge! Obama will not! Ford faced Reagan, Carter faced Kennedy, and Bush Sr faced Buchannan. Their chances of winning were damaged. Obama will be campaigning while these idiots will destroy each other.



He can campaign all he want's. The more he talks the better. :wink:[/quote]


I suppose you want him to talk to drown out the nonsense that comes from the right?
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Postby slucero » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:44 am

The nonsense is from BOTH parties.. they spew it so folks like yourself will "get in line" and miss the real problem completely....

Maybe Obama can get Nancy Pelosi to join him..

Former Speaker of the House–and current Minority Leader–Nancy Pelosi apparently bought $1 million to $5 million of Visa stock in one of the most sought-after and profitable initial public offerings (IPO) in American history, thwarted serious credit card reform for two years, and then watched her investment skyrocket 203%.




What is wrong in Washington is NOT about parties... it's about morality... so cheering for either party is the equivalent of cheering for a wreck at a NASCAR event...


maybe you should change your nick to "Bread & Circuses"...
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Postby Slander » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:46 am

slucero wrote:Maybe Obama can get Nancy Pelosi to join him..

Former Speaker of the House–and current Minority Leader–Nancy Pelosi apparently bought $1 million to $5 million of Visa stock in one of the most sought-after and profitable initial public offerings (IPO) in American history, thwarted serious credit card reform for two years, and then watched her investment skyrocket 203%.




What is wrong in Washington is NOT about parties... it's about morality... so cheering for either party is the equivalent of cheering for a wreck at a NASCAR event...


Who the hell is cheering anyone? This is merely a discussion of where the election stands at this point. Having said that instead of whining offer up solutions! And don't give me Ralph Nader type bullshit. Give me reality.
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Postby slucero » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:51 am

Slander wrote:
slucero wrote:Maybe Obama can get Nancy Pelosi to join him..

Former Speaker of the House–and current Minority Leader–Nancy Pelosi apparently bought $1 million to $5 million of Visa stock in one of the most sought-after and profitable initial public offerings (IPO) in American history, thwarted serious credit card reform for two years, and then watched her investment skyrocket 203%.




What is wrong in Washington is NOT about parties... it's about morality... so cheering for either party is the equivalent of cheering for a wreck at a NASCAR event...


Who the hell is cheering anyone? This is merely a discussion of where the election stands at this point. Having said that instead of whining offer up solutions! And don't give me Ralph Nader type bullshit. Give me reality.


LOL.. "Nader" bullshit... Nader was an eco-idiot...

Reality.

Ok... here's reality... learn about sovereign debt... then you'll realize... the Rep/Dem sideshow is just that... a sideshow... when you start seeing the federal government doing inventive things like borrowing from the Federal Pension fund... (it is now $29 Billion overdrawn) because they can't balance the federal books without it... then you can babble about something... here's a good primer on the sovereign debt tsunami hitting Europe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... -F_QF1XTXI

Learn what the "mark-to-market" rule is and how it was suspended for the banks because if left active the banks (BofA, Wells, etc.) would all be insolvent... and to this day.. the rule is still not active...

The "reality" is that changing the party placeholders in power in Washington will not change the culture.... and until THAT changes... the status quo will be just that,. Status Quo... and the result will be continued legislation that serves every other interest except the country's... consequences be damned.

There's your reality... it likely tastes like crow. Enjoy it.



Here's your solution.

Remove the money from Washington (lobbying). Remove the incentive for representatives to use their office for personal gain (insider trading by representatives) .

THOSE are a few of the many things that need to be done. Offer up some solutions of your own... or continue on with your fruitless discussion... lmao
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Postby slucero » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:30 am

WOOOOHOOO! It's Official: Total US Debt Passes $15 Trillion... wait ... that's not something to celebrate..

Total US debt has increased by 41.5%, or $4.4 trillion, from $10,626,877,048,913 on January 20, to $15,033,607,255,920.


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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:54 pm

Considering Obama has taken less than half the time off that Dubbya had at the same point in his Presidency, I'd say you're skating on unbelievably thin ice. But that is pretty damned funny nonetheless.
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Postby slucero » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:10 pm

Charles Krauthammer: The pipeline sellout

By Charles Krauthammer
Posted: 11/18/2011 08:00:00 PM PST


In 2008, the slogan was "Yes We Can." For 2011-12, it's "We Can't Wait." What happened in between? Candidate Barack Obama, the vessel into which myriad dreams were poured, met the reality of governance.
  • His near-$1 trillion stimulus beget a stagnant economy with 9 percent unemployment.
  • His attempt at Wall Street reform left in place a still too-big-to-fail financial system as vulnerable today as when he came into office.
  • His green energy fantasies yielded Solyndra cronyism and a cap-and-trade regime not even a Democratic Congress would pass.
And now his signature achievement, Obamacare, is headed to the Supreme Court, where it could very well be struck down, just a week after its central element was overwhelmingly repudiated (2-1) by the good burghers of Ohio.

So what do you do when you say you can, but, it turns out, you can't? Blame the other guy. Charge the Republicans with making governing impossible. Never mind that you had control of the Congress for two-thirds of your current tenure. It's all the fault of Republican rejectionism.

Hence: "We Can't Wait." We can't wait while they obstruct. We can't wait while they dither with my jobs bill. Write Congress today! Vote Democratic tomorrow!

We can't wait. Except for certain exceptions, such as the 1,700-mile trans-USA Keystone XL pipeline, carrying Alberta oil to Texas refineries, that would have created thousands of U.S. jobs and increased our energy independence.

For that, we can wait, it seems. Obama decreed that any decision must wait 12 to 18 months -- postponed, by amazing coincidence, until after next year's election.

Why? Because the pipeline angered Obama's environmental constituency. But their complaints are risible. Global warming from the extraction of the Alberta tar sands? Canada will extract the oil anyway. If it doesn't go to us, it will go to China. Net effect on the climate if we don't take that oil? Zero.

Danger to a major aquifer, which the pipeline traverses? It is already crisscrossed by 25,000 miles of pipeline, enough to circle the Earth. Moreover, the State Department had subjected Keystone to three years of review -- the most exhaustive study of any oil pipeline in U.S. history -- and twice concluded in voluminous studies that there would be no significant environmental harm.

So what happened? "The administration," reported the New York Times, "had in recent days been exploring ways to put off the decision until after the presidential election." Exploring ways to improve the project? Hardly. Exploring ways to get past the election.

Obama's decision was meant to appease his environmentalists. It's already working. The president of the National Wildlife Federation told the Washington Post (online edition, Nov. 10) that thousands of environmentalists who were galvanized to protest the pipeline would now support Obama in 2012. Moreover, a source told the Post, Obama campaign officials had concluded that "they do not pick up one vote from approving this project."

Sure, the pipeline would have produced thousands of truly shovel-ready jobs. Sure, delay could forfeit to China a supremely important strategic asset -- a nearby, highly reliable source of energy. But approval was calculated to be a political loss for the president. Easy choice.

It's hard to think of a more clear-cut case of putting politics over nation. This from a president whose central campaign theme is that Republicans put party over nation, sacrificing country to crass political ends.

Nor is this the first time Obama's election calendar trumped the national interest:

Obama's decision to wind down the Afghan surge in September 2012 is militarily inexplicable. It comes during the fighting season. It was recommended by none of his own military commanders. It is explicable only as a talking point for the final days of his re-election campaign.

At the height of the debt-ceiling debate in July, Obama pledged to veto any agreement that was not long term. Definition of long term? By another amazing coincidence, any deal large enough to get him past Election Day (and thus avoid another such crisis next year).

On Tuesday it was revealed that last year the administration pressured Solyndra, as it was failing, to delay its planned Oct. 28 announcement of layoffs until Nov. 3 -- the day after the midterm election.

A contemporaneous email from a Solyndra investor noted: "Oddly they didn't give a reason for that date." The writer was clearly born yesterday. The American voter was not -- and he soon gets to decide who really puts party over nation and re-election above all.

We can't wait.



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Postby hoagiepete » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:10 am

I disliked Gingrich as Speaker. Also, couldn't picture a president named "Newt." I guess the name isn't so bad these days. Times sure have changed.

Had a chance to hear Newt in person a couple of times over the past few years and was very impressed. He is without question, the smartest one of the bunch running. He would probably make the best president.

Skeletons? Probably, but who doesn't have them. I think the American public is becoming numb to them (not that it is right). Look at Pelosi and Obama? Seem to ignore them and their antics pretty well. However, the press won't let it rest with Newt, unlike the corrupt Ds.

Again, DC is wrought with a bunch of self-serving bastards that only worry about their partisan games and how they will get re-elected and more importantly, become rich themselves. Pathetic and depressing.
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Postby S2M » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:51 am

It really befuddles me how politicians can be so ingrained in party affiliations that they would rather filibuster a Super Committee, than to pass some sort of plan that HELPS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

Congress is on notice. You have one year, fuckers.
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Postby slucero » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:00 pm

even Chris Matthews has had it with Obama....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB4b11_LREA

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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:11 am

S2M wrote:It really befuddles me how politicians can be so ingrained in party affiliations that they would rather filibuster a Super Committee, than to pass some sort of plan that HELPS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
Congress is on notice. You have one year, fuckers.


Obama's Jobs Bill WOULD help the American people, and that is fact. Of course the republicans do not want that to pass, because it WOULD help Americans, thus it would help Obama get reelected, and we all know the first goal of republicans is:

to make Obama a one term president. the American public be damned.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:20 am

Rockindeano wrote:
S2M wrote:It really befuddles me how politicians can be so ingrained in party affiliations that they would rather filibuster a Super Committee, than to pass some sort of plan that HELPS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
Congress is on notice. You have one year, fuckers.


Obama's Jobs Bill WOULD help the American people, and that is fact. Of course the republicans do not want that to pass, because it WOULD help Americans, thus it would help Obama get reelected, and we all know the first goal of republicans is:

to make Obama a one term president. the American public be damned.


Both parties suck ass. The democrats did the same thing when Bush was in office. Obscure and obfuscate and hope good news doesn't help the incumbent president.
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Postby S2M » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:25 am

conversationpc wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
S2M wrote:It really befuddles me how politicians can be so ingrained in party affiliations that they would rather filibuster a Super Committee, than to pass some sort of plan that HELPS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
Congress is on notice. You have one year, fuckers.


Obama's Jobs Bill WOULD help the American people, and that is fact. Of course the republicans do not want that to pass, because it WOULD help Americans, thus it would help Obama get reelected, and we all know the first goal of republicans is:

to make Obama a one term president. the American public be damned.


Both parties suck ass. The democrats did the same thing when Bush was in office. Obscure and obfuscate and hope good news doesn't help the incumbent president.



Which is my point....I have no love for either party. My party is the american people. These jackoffs who make loads of jack, do nothing all day - lie, cheat and steal from the hard-working taxpayers - only to find themselves deadlocked over some philosophical beliefs?


One side wants to raise revenue(Dems), while the other side wants to cut entitlements(pubs)...and neither side will budge.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:40 am

Fox News Viewers Uninformed, NPR Listeners Not

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

Thousands of people were asked questions about news habits and current events. Results showed that viewers of Sunday morning news shows were the most informed about current events, while Fox News viewers were the least informed. In fact, FDU poll results showed they were even less informed than those who they don’t watch any news at all.

Readers of The New York Times, USA Today and listeners to National Public Radio were better informed about international events than other media outlets.

In one major example, poll participants were questioned about the outcome of the so-called Arab Spring uprisings in North Africa earlier in the year. A total of 53% of respondents know that Egyptians were successful in overthrowing dictator Hosni Mubarak. Also, 48% know that the Syrian uprising has thus far been unsuccessful in Assad. But on balance, Fox News viewers were 18-points less likely to know that Egyptians overthrew their government than those who watched no news at all. Fox News viewers were also 6-points less likely to know that Syrians have not yet overthrown their government than those who watch no news at all, suggesting a daily dose of soundbytes from CNN, and headlines from Google News were enough to surpass what average Fox viewers polled knew about current events.

Fox News is the leading cable news channel.

"Because of the controls for partisanship, we know these results are not just driven by Republicans or other groups being more likely to watch Fox News," said Dan Cassino, a professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson and an analyst for the PublicMind Poll. "Rather, the results show us that there is something about watching Fox News that leads people to do worse on these questions than those who don’t watch any news at all."
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:00 am

Seven Wishes wrote:Fox News Viewers Uninformed, NPR Listeners Not

We didn't vote for Obama.....You did!!!
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Postby G.I.Jim » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:04 am

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Seven Wishes wrote:Fox News Viewers Uninformed, NPR Listeners Not

We didn't vote for Obama.....You did!!!


:lol: :lol: Couldn't have said it better. :D
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Postby artist4perry » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:45 am

conversationpc wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
S2M wrote:It really befuddles me how politicians can be so ingrained in party affiliations that they would rather filibuster a Super Committee, than to pass some sort of plan that HELPS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
Congress is on notice. You have one year, fuckers.


Obama's Jobs Bill WOULD help the American people, and that is fact. Of course the republicans do not want that to pass, because it WOULD help Americans, thus it would help Obama get reelected, and we all know the first goal of republicans is:

to make Obama a one term president. the American public be damned.


Both parties suck ass. The democrats did the same thing when Bush was in office. Obscure and obfuscate and hope good news doesn't help the incumbent president.


My feelings exactly. Neither party has acted like they can pull their head out of their butts long enough to do their job. I say a pay decrease for the lot for every year they get nothing accomplished. :evil:
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:49 am

Fact Finder wrote:That's the funniest damn thing I've read in a long while. Informed of what?

Jeez Louise! :roll:


Ummmm...the state of affairs in Egypt and Syria, the Occupy Wall Street movement, the status of the GOP primaries, and the stated objectives of both parties in Congress, to name a few.

Quite a substantial and broad range of questions, to be sure. Now, the GOP does rank highest in a few categories: which shade of brown Limbaugh's Pilonidal cyst is, whether Hannity and O'Reilly's spooge is alkaline or acidic, and the Korean restaurant at which Beck most recently consumed a more than healthy portion of fried noodles, by virtue of their noses being deeply embedded up his anus. So, that helped prevent the scores from being TOO embarassing.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:52 am

conversationpc wrote: Both parties suck ass. The democrats did the same thing when Bush was in office. Obscure and obfuscate and hope good news doesn't help the incumbent president.


Not true. The spineless Democrats acquiesced to just about every shitty idea the Bush Administration had, and there were many. Their complete lack of resolve and inability to stand up to any of his terrible policies make them just as responsible as the GOP for the debacle that was the first decade of this millenium.
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Postby S2M » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:54 am

Seven Wishes wrote:
S2M wrote: Both parties suck ass. The democrats did the same thing when Bush was in office. Obscure and obfuscate and hope good news doesn't help the incumbent president.


Not true. The spineless Democrats acquiesced to just about every shitty idea the Bush Administration had, and there were many. Their complete lack of resolve and inability to stand up to any of his terrible policies make them just as responsible as the GOP for the debacle that was the first decade of this millenium.


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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:55 am

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conversationpc wrote: Both parties suck ass. The democrats did the same thing when Bush was in office. Obscure and obfuscate and hope good news doesn't help the incumbent president.


Not true. The spineless Democrats acquiesced to just about every shitty idea the Bush Administration had, and there were many. Their complete lack of resolve and inability to stand up to any of his terrible policies make them just as responsible as the GOP for the debacle that was the first decade of this millenium.


FYI....that is Dave's quote, not mine.....
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:14 am

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Fact Finder wrote:That's the funniest damn thing I've read in a long while. Informed of what?

Jeez Louise! :roll:


Ummmm...the state of affairs in Egypt and Syria, the Occupy Wall Street movement, the status of the GOP primaries, and the stated objectives of both parties in Congress, to name a few.


You voted for Obama!!!

You, An Obama voter being critical of someone's political intellect is akin to Jerry Sandusky criticizing "child protective services".
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:42 am

Really? Name ONE Republican candidate with HALF the knowledge of foreign affairs as Obama. ONE.

Give me a break, dude.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:27 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Really? Name ONE Republican candidate with HALF the knowledge of foreign affairs as Obama. ONE.

Give me a break, dude.


Obama had none...NOT ONE IOTA of foreign affairs experience when he was elected...what he DID do, what every President does, is fill in the gaps, in this case by keeping Bush's SecDef and bringing in Hillary as is SecState.

And even then he hasn't exactly been doing very well, yes yes...I know it's all Bush's fault he sucks...we get it already.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:29 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Really? Name ONE Republican candidate with HALF the knowledge of foreign affairs as Obama. ONE.

Give me a break, dude.

Yeah, you're right. Your "Hero" is brilliant!!! :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5R6kVry ... re=related
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Postby G.I.Jim » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:01 pm

RedWingFan wrote:
Seven Wishes wrote:Really? Name ONE Republican candidate with HALF the knowledge of foreign affairs as Obama. ONE.

Give me a break, dude.

Yeah, you're right. Your "Hero" is brilliant!!! :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5R6kVry ... re=related



Thanks for the laugh man! This man has no right to be called Commander In Chief. :? Funniest clips I've seen in a while. :wink:
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Postby slucero » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:36 pm


Taxpayer Losses on GM Bailout Are Going to Be Massive
November 22, 2011

Last week the Treasury Department revised its loss estimate for the General Motors (GM) bailout from $14.33 billion to $23.6 billion, thanks to the company's sinking stock price. GM's September 30 closing price, on which the new estimate is based, was $20.18, about $13 less than its December IPO price and $35 less than what is needed for taxpayers to break even, says Shikha Dalmia, a senior analyst at the Reason Foundation.
  • The $23.6 billion represents a 25 percent loss on the federal government's $60 billion direct "investment" in GM.
  • But that's not all that taxpayers are on the hook for.
  • As explained previously, Uncle Sam's special GM bankruptcy package allowed the company to write off $45 billion in previous losses going forward.
This could work out to as much as $15 billion in tax savings that GM wouldn't have had had it gone through a normal bankruptcy.

Why? Because after bankruptcy, the tax liabilities of companies increase since they have no more losses to write off.

This means that the total hit to taxpayers, who still own about a quarter of the company, could add up to $38.6 billion.

Although GM will never make taxpayers whole, taxpayer losses could be mitigated if GM's stock price rises before the Treasury sells its remaining equity, something it was supposed to do by year-end but has postponed under the circumstances.

GM actually has been doing quite well in North America and China with profit margins of 10 percent, among the best in the industry. The company's big weak spot right now is Europe for two reasons:

One, thanks to political pressure and labor resistance, it hasn't been able to address its bloated cost structure there.
Two, Europe's economy is imploding, weakening car sales.

All of this shows why forcing taxpayers to wager their hard-earned dollars on a risky venture was exactly the wrong thing to do.

Source: Shikha Dalmia, "Treasury Admits What Everybody Already Knew: Taxpayer Losses on GM Bailout Are Going to Be Massive," Reason Magazine Blog, November 17, 2011.

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