Don’t stop believin’ in a Steve Perry return

[slucero]

... the same Rolling Stone that hates all things Journey... hardly a barometer...


Without Cain.. Perry hasn't done shit

Street Talk, multi-platinum and FTLOSM - gold, and now RETIRED.

Without Perry... Cain hasn't either..

Revelation fluke and Eclipse flop, and may want to consider RETIREMENT.

1984 - Street Talk
1994 - FLOTSM

Perry's last music release was 18 years ago... and his inactivity is essentially retirement... until he puts out something... anything....




2001: Arrival
2002: Red 13 (EP)
2005: Generations
2008: Revelation
2011: Eclipse


Compared to Perry (that's what we're doing right?) Journey has been releasing stuff pretty consistently.. and Arrival is a great album..and though they may not be selling as well.. and while their current lineup may appear "tired", retired they are not.



The reality is that Cain nor Perry has achieved the kind of success they achieved together with the Journey albums... the success they BOTH contributed to.


TODAY

Perry is only relevant TODAY because of co-writing and singing JOURNEY SONGS... Street Talk, and FLOTSM (as much as I love those albums too) are NOT why GLEE and THE SORPANOS chose DSB...

Cain is only relevant TODAY because of co-writing JOURNEY SONGS... his 2 Babys albums (Union Jacks and On The Edge), nor his TEN solo albums are not why people remember him.


This is a circular and pointless argument.

[Gideon]

... the same Rolling Stone that hate all things Journey... hardly a barometer...

Yep, and my point speaks to just that. RS might consider present!Journey a tribute band, but they've never had much respect for the band or SP anyway.

Yep, but he made the list and Schon did not.

what does that have to do with Cain...

He didn't make RS list either?
btw...just wanted to comment that we're seemingly getting a kinder and gentler Giddy... the kid is alright .

Ssssh! I might get a reputation for being nice!

[onmyjrny]

As much as it "comforted" Perry that his great voice turned ordinary songs into hits to be heard to this day. "Good to see that [Jon] knows where his bread is buttered" especially since it has been butter-less since Perry left.

"My greatest success came with Steve Perry." Jon Cain / 2011

No argument here, Jon's success came with SP. But per SP, his great success came from Jon and his creative ideas. Us Journey fans are fortunate that such a talented songwriter turned a no-name singer that no one wanted into one of pop music's biggest stars.

Thank you, Mr. Cain for the career of Steve Perry.

Um...did you ever hear Windy City Breakdown? Or his first wife's first album?? Why must either of these two great talents get bashed? Is it really necessary to get into who helped whose career out the most? Both of these men are talented in their own right; they have both had a lot of success and a few flops. That's the way any career goes. But I think it is apparent that the best they have done is when working together. And what a shame that is done with.

I really don't see where JC gets the "shaft" though; he has had a very successful career himself. Plenty of good musicians out there who never got the opportunities he did and thus never made it in the music biz. He was never a frontman though and thus never would have expected to have the same level of fame as Perry had. I'm sure that is as much of a blessing as it is a curse.

[TheEyesofaWoman]

I get that Steve won't ever sing with Journey but what is stopping him from writing with Jonathan again? The consensus is that they wrote great songs together, why not now?

[slucero]

I get that Steve won't ever sing with Journey but what is stopping him from writing with Jonathan again? The consensus is that they wrote great songs together, why not now?

Great question....

As long as JC is in Journey... Perry writing with JC would only bring the "Perry is reuniting with Journey rumors" back.. full force... so the fact that this hasn't happened should tell you something about he possibility of a Journey/Perry reunion.

I'd bet that if JC ever left Journey... that Perry would write have no problem writing with him again...

JC is a ballad guy.. and the ballad writing chemistry they had together is kinda obvious..

[JRNYFan]

Copy + Paste. Repeat

[STORY_TELLER]

Us Journey fans are fortunate that such a talented songwriter turned a no-name singer that no one wanted into one of pop music's biggest stars.

Thank you, Mr. Cain for the career of Steve Perry.

Wheel in the Sky
Lights
Walks like a Lady
Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'
Anyway You Want it

Those songs were all over the radio in constant rotation. TV performances, Budweiser commercials and movie placement of anyway you want it at the time it came out -- Yeah, Perry was a no-name before Cain.

You know, I can't blame you for not understanding Gideon. You're reading about history and drawing conclusions from what you read. But the fact is, you didn't experience it. You didn't experience the time period and everything that came with it. Experiencing what happened, when it happened, would give you the understanding the rest of who lived Journey in their heyday have.

We who lived it, saw what was happening. We felt the buzz building. We watched the upswing of Journey take place. Perry was unique for his time. He was groundbreaking. He stood out in ways you can't imagine. No one was singing like him and that's what made people take notice. He was very influential on other singers because he set the trend. You're hearing him long after many other singers have emulated what he brought to the table, so you've experienced Journey in a very different way than most of us, so for you, I'm sure Perry is less unique.

What I remember HAPPENING was, at the time Escape came out, Journey was reaching its peak. The timing of that peak was happening just as the music scene was shifting from 70's blues based rock to 80's pop. The singer/songwriter movement was over. Hair bands were around the corner. Cain brought the more commercial songwriting into the mix just at the right time, so the timing was perfect, but make no mistake, Journey were on there way without him. Hopelessly in Love was written between Perry and Schon, without Rollie and without Cain, and was not indicative of the songs they did in the Rollie era at all. It has the same commercial vibe as everything you'll find on Escape. Perry and Schon were already shifting in that direction. What Cain brought to them was the shortcut and luckily, it was a perfect creative marriage between the 3 of them.

Giddy, you can attack this, you can dice it up and split all the hairs you want, but at the end of the day, intelligence is different than wisdom and you only gain wisdom through experience. We experienced that time, you didn't. We understand things about that time you can't possibly fathom, and those things can't be clarified or proven or conveyed with the written word. It had to be experienced. So it's not your fault, but you need to let this go, because you just don't understand.

I said my peace. I won't respond. Have fun.

[STORY_TELLER]

"about the size of Motown Studio A"....

Nice size space! Man I'd love to watch those sessions go down. Hmmmm...

Hey Lora, suggestion to convey to Steve:

Set up some video cameras to record the sessions ala "Daryl's house". A video diary of his recording process would drive the fans gaga and even if he didn't want to use it in that manner, the footage could be purposed for all kinds of things (cut into a music video for a potential single, used as a commercial for a single release, slipped into future video interviews, etc.).

[steveo777]

Us Journey fans are fortunate that such a talented songwriter turned a no-name singer that no one wanted into one of pop music's biggest stars.

Thank you, Mr. Cain for the career of Steve Perry.

Wheel in the Sky
Lights
Walks like a Lady
Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'
Anyway You Want it

Those songs were all over the radio in constant rotation. TV performances, Budweiser commercials and movie placement of anyway you want it at the time it came out -- Yeah, Perry was a no-name before Cain.

You know, I can't blame you for not understanding Gideon. You're reading about history and drawing conclusions from what you read. But the fact is, you didn't experience it. You didn't experience the time period and everything that came with it. Experiencing what happened, when it happened, would give you the understanding the rest of who lived Journey in their heyday have.

We who lived it, saw what was happening. We felt the buzz building. We watched the upswing of Journey take place. Perry was unique for his time. He was groundbreaking. He stood out in ways you can't imagine. No one was singing like him and that's what made people take notice. He was very influential on other singers because he set the trend. You're hearing him long after many other singers have emulated what he brought to the table, so you've experienced Journey in a very different way than most of us, so for you, I'm sure Perry is less unique.

What I remember HAPPENING was, at the time Escape came out, Journey was reaching its peak. The timing of that peak was happening just as the music scene was shifting from 70's blues based rock to 80's pop. The singer/songwriter movement was over. Hair bands were around the corner. Cain brought the more commercial songwriting into the mix just at the right time, so the timing was perfect, but make no mistake, Journey were on there way without him. Hopelessly in Love was written between Perry and Schon, without Rollie and without Cain, and was not indicative of the songs they did in the Rollie era at all. It has the same commercial vibe as everything you'll find on Escape. Perry and Schon were already shifting in that direction. What Cain brought to them was the shortcut and luckily, it was a perfect creative marriage between the 3 of them.

Giddy, you can attack this, you can dice it up and split all the hairs you want, but at the end of the day, intelligence is different than wisdom and you only gain wisdom through experience. We experienced that time, you didn't. We understand things about that time you can't possibly fathom, and those things can't be clarified or proven or conveyed with the written word. It had to be experienced. So it's not your fault, but you need to let this go, because you just don't understand.

I said my peace. I won't respond. Have fun.

This is a great post and I don't feel like you attacked Gideon, in fact, you showed understanding of his youth and even made an attempt to educate and help recreate the aura of what what was happening back then. Well told!

[tater1977]

Us Journey fans are fortunate that such a talented songwriter turned a no-name singer that no one wanted into one of pop music's biggest stars.

Thank you, Mr. Cain for the career of Steve Perry.

Wheel in the Sky
Lights
Walks like a Lady
Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'
Anyway You Want it

Those songs were all over the radio in constant rotation. TV performances, Budweiser commercials and movie placement of anyway you want it at the time it came out -- Yeah, Perry was a no-name before Cain.

You know, I can't blame you for not understanding Gideon. You're reading about history and drawing conclusions from what you read. But the fact is, you didn't experience it. You didn't experience the time period and everything that came with it. Experiencing what happened, when it happened, would give you the understanding the rest of who lived Journey in their heyday have.

We who lived it, saw what was happening. We felt the buzz building. We watched the upswing of Journey take place. Perry was unique for his time. He was groundbreaking. He stood out in ways you can't imagine. No one was singing like him and that's what made people take notice. He was very influential on other singers because he set the trend. You're hearing him long after many other singers have emulated what he brought to the table, so you've experienced Journey in a very different way than most of us, so for you, I'm sure Perry is less unique.

What I remember HAPPENING was, at the time Escape came out, Journey was reaching its peak. The timing of that peak was happening just as the music scene was shifting from 70's blues based rock to 80's pop. The singer/songwriter movement was over. Hair bands were around the corner. Cain brought the more commercial songwriting into the mix just at the right time, so the timing was perfect, but make no mistake, Journey were on there way without him. Hopelessly in Love was written between Perry and Schon, without Rollie and without Cain, and was not indicative of the songs they did in the Rollie era at all. It has the same commercial vibe as everything you'll find on Escape. Perry and Schon were already shifting in that direction. What Cain brought to them was the shortcut and luckily, it was a perfect creative marriage between the 3 of them.

Giddy, you can attack this, you can dice it up and split all the hairs you want, but at the end of the day, intelligence is different than wisdom and you only gain wisdom through experience. We experienced that time, you didn't. We understand things about that time you can't possibly fathom, and those things can't be clarified or proven or conveyed with the written word. It had to be experienced. So it's not your fault, but you need to let this go, because you just don't understand.

I said my peace. I won't respond. Have fun.

Well said STORY_TELLER...
I guess this is what I was trying to understand from Gideon if he ever saw SP/J live..
I know wherever you went, grocery stores, restaurants, on the tvs, on radios,..everywhere you went
a Journey song was being played..
(HH brilliance there)..
If you were out driving.. & changed radio stations.. I would bet 3 outta 5 stations were playing a Journey song.
If you didn't have the latest Journey LP back then lol..it was a good bet your older bro or sis had it...
Or your best friend or neighbor..
If you had a garage band..chances are you knew how to play the newest tune within a day or two..
I remember Journey had a couple radio station interviews in the neighborhood & good Lord.. the mobs of kids
that waited around..

I remember some friends would go to such extents....lol just to see if so & so was gonna be there or over here or which car someone was in...
Watched 9 friends & to this day still LOL.. watched them try to bribe a hotel employee..with only 7 bucks between the 9 of them...( 7 BUCKS)... .....try to find out if SP was at that hotel..

Don't know if it was growing up in the 70's.. & watching a new genre being born...
But it was the music of kidhood, teenager, adult & family memories..
Just happy for the new fans & hope while they listen to Journey...they forge ahead in life with
great memories associated to great music...

[Gideon]

Us Journey fans are fortunate that such a talented songwriter turned a no-name singer that no one wanted into one of pop music's biggest stars.

Thank you, Mr. Cain for the career of Steve Perry.

Wheel in the Sky
Lights
Walks like a Lady
Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'
Anyway You Want it

Those songs were all over the radio in constant rotation. TV performances, Budweiser commercials and movie placement of anyway you want it at the time it came out -- Yeah, Perry was a no-name before Cain.

You know, I can't blame you for not understanding Gideon. You're reading about history and drawing conclusions from what you read. But the fact is, you didn't experience it. You didn't experience the time period and everything that came with it. Experiencing what happened, when it happened, would give you the understanding the rest of who lived Journey in their heyday have.

We who lived it, saw what was happening. We felt the buzz building. We watched the upswing of Journey take place. Perry was unique for his time. He was groundbreaking. He stood out in ways you can't imagine. No one was singing like him and that's what made people take notice. He was very influential on other singers because he set the trend. You're hearing him long after many other singers have emulated what he brought to the table, so you've experienced Journey in a very different way than most of us, so for you, I'm sure Perry is less unique.

What I remember HAPPENING was, at the time Escape came out, Journey was reaching its peak. The timing of that peak was happening just as the music scene was shifting from 70's blues based rock to 80's pop. The singer/songwriter movement was over. Hair bands were around the corner. Cain brought the more commercial songwriting into the mix just at the right time, so the timing was perfect, but make no mistake, Journey were on there way without him. Hopelessly in Love was written between Perry and Schon, without Rollie and without Cain, and was not indicative of the songs they did in the Rollie era at all. It has the same commercial vibe as everything you'll find on Escape. Perry and Schon were already shifting in that direction. What Cain brought to them was the shortcut and luckily, it was a perfect creative marriage between the 3 of them.

Giddy, you can attack this, you can dice it up and split all the hairs you want, but at the end of the day, intelligence is different than wisdom and you only gain wisdom through experience. We experienced that time, you didn't. We understand things about that time you can't possibly fathom, and those things can't be clarified or proven or conveyed with the written word. It had to be experienced. So it's not your fault, but you need to let this go, because you just don't understand.

I said my peace. I won't respond. Have fun.

This post was a nice read, but I'm not sure it was very "wise" in light of the following from the previous page:

I'm just busting Kor'n's metaphorical balls. He comes in and gives a pro-SP slant, I give a pro-JC one and the board remains in balance.

No attacks or slice 'n dice required. I'm much more efficient these days!