President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Thank you for the TV commercial idea Barry,

Love,
Mitt


If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

- Barack Obama July 14, 2012

Surprise Surprise, the villiage idiot has to twist everything. It's very simple and every business owner knows that the most important part of a business is the clients.

Obama wasn't referring to clients in his speech

Enlighten us , kindly !

He said in his speech if you built a business you didn't build it yourself . That you relied on someone else to provide you with an education , the roads, , the infrastructure,the finance etc. Therefore you dont own the fruits of your labor and you owe it all to someone else.

There are a number of logical fallacies to that argument. First of all , if that infrastructure didn't exist from the government, it is likely that businessmen within the community would club together, pay for the building of roads, create the infrastructure, build schools. etc.
Secondly business people have no choice but to use , for example Interstate 10 to move their goods down the road, its a public road and private roads aren't allowed. it does not follow that you logically owe someone for the use of goods/infrastructure that you were forced to use.

Also assuming Obama was referring to clients in his speech. If he did mean that (and he didn't) that would be a false argument as well. There is an economic law called Says law that says "Supply creates its own demand" A client can't demand a good that hasn't been dreamed up by an innovator . You can't want an IPOD if there is no Steve Jobs inventing it .

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

What came first, the Model T or I-75?

Bingo

[Behshad]

Thank you for the TV commercial idea Barry,

Love,
Mitt


If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

- Barack Obama July 14, 2012

Surprise Surprise, the villiage idiot has to twist everything. It's very simple and every business owner knows that the most important part of a business is the clients.

Obama wasn't referring to clients in his speech

Enlighten us , kindly !

He said in his speech if you built a business you didn't build it yourself . That you relied on someone else to provide you with an education , the roads, , the infrastructure,the finance etc. Therefore you dont own the fruits of your labor and you owe it all to someone else.

There are a number of logical fallacies to that argument. First of all , if that infrastructure didn't exist from the government, it is likely that businessmen within the community would club together, pay for the building of roads, create the infrastructure, build schools. etc.
Secondly business people have no choice but to use , for example Interstate 10 to move their goods down the road, its a public road and private roads aren't allowed. it does not follow that you logically owe someone for the use of goods/infrastructure that you were forced to use.

Also assuming Obama was referring to clients in his speech. If he did mean that (and he didn't) that would be a false argument as well. There is an economic law called Says law that says "Supply creates its own demand" A client can't demand a good that hasn't been dreamed up by an innovator . You can't want an IPOD if there is no Steve Jobs inventing it .

At the same token, if you create IPODS and you have ZERO clients, then they will be called BETA MAX players.

People like FakeFinder take ONE part of the speech out of context and try to twist the words. Typical FF.
Obama never said anything about involvement of GOVERNMENT. He simply explained the ALL FOR ONE - ONE FOR ALL.

[slucero]

Obama's whole term has been a logical fallacy..

[Yoda]

He simply explained the ALL FOR ONE - ONE FOR ALL.

What does THAT mean? That if I go out and make a billion dollars, I'm supposed to share it with others and others share their wealth with me?

[Behshad]

He simply explained the ALL FOR ONE - ONE FOR ALL.

What does THAT mean? That if I go out and make a billion dollars, I'm supposed to share it with others and others share their wealth with me?

no, that it means we are all in this together, that a business owner needs its workers and suppliers and clients as much as they need the business and its owner.
Nothing was said about sharing the wealth. People just add their own ( in FakeFinder sake , Limbaughs) spin to things.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

At the same token, if you create IPODS and you have ZERO clients, then they will be called BETA MAX players.

People like FakeFinder take ONE part of the speech out of context and try to twist the words. Typical FF.
Obama never said anything about involvement of GOVERNMENT. He simply explained the ALL FOR ONE - ONE FOR ALL.

No he did refer to government. Read the statement. He starts talking about the need to for higher taxes- and this thing about you didn't own your business was the reason why taxes needed to go up - to pay for all the government funded infrastructor you used.

[Behshad]

Thank you for the TV commercial idea Barry,

Love,
Mitt


If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

- Barack Obama July 14, 2012

Surprise Surprise, the villiage idiot has to twist everything. It's very simple and every business owner knows that the most important part of a business is the clients.

Obama wasn't referring to clients in his speech

Enlighten us , kindly !

He said in his speech if you built a business you didn't build it yourself . That you relied on someone else to provide you with an education , the roads, , the infrastructure,the finance etc. Therefore you dont own the fruits of your labor and you owe it all to someone else.

There are a number of logical fallacies to that argument. First of all , if that infrastructure didn't exist from the government, it is likely that businessmen within the community would club together, pay for the building of roads, create the infrastructure, build schools. etc.
Secondly business people have no choice but to use , for example Interstate 10 to move their goods down the road, its a public road and private roads aren't allowed. it does not follow that you logically owe someone for the use of goods/infrastructure that you were forced to use.

Also assuming Obama was referring to clients in his speech. If he did mean that (and he didn't) that would be a false argument as well. There is an economic law called Says law that says "Supply creates its own demand" A client can't demand a good that hasn't been dreamed up by an innovator . You can't want an IPOD if there is no Steve Jobs inventing it .

At the same token, if you create IPODS and you have ZERO clients, then they will be called BETA MAX players.

People like FakeFinder take ONE part of the speech out of context and try to twist the words. Typical FF.
Obama never said anything about involvement of GOVERNMENT. He simply explained the ALL FOR ONE - ONE FOR ALL.

BB, lying is unbecoming of you. I NEVER said one word about this issue, NOT ONE. I only posted BO's quote and thanked him for the commercial idea. You inferring something from that is your problem not mine.

You chose ONE part of it, as I said. why not share the whole speech !


“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

[Behshad]

At the same token, if you create IPODS and you have ZERO clients, then they will be called BETA MAX players.

People like FakeFinder take ONE part of the speech out of context and try to twist the words. Typical FF.
Obama never said anything about involvement of GOVERNMENT. He simply explained the ALL FOR ONE - ONE FOR ALL.

No he did refer to government. Read the statement. He starts talking about the need to for higher taxes- and this thing about you didn't own your business was the reason why taxes needed to go up - to pay for all the government funded infrastructor you used.

Where does he say anything about higher taxes ?

[The Sushi Hunter]

If what BO is saying is true, then what happened to Solyndra, since they got an even bigger ($500Million) Obamahelpinghand.

The roads, bridges, infrastructure and all this that BO mentioned has all been paid for by the hard working tax payers every year, unless BO is saying the government gets it's funding from someone other then the tax payers. All companies across the board use the same roads, bridges, infrastructure, etc. so why do some make it and some don't?

Every day BO proves more and more that he's a friggin no-load.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

The roads, bridges, infrastructure and all this that BO mentioned has all been paid for by the hard working tax payers every year, unless BO is saying the government gets it's funding from someone other then the tax payers.
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and if there were no government to build road, I assure you that a group of private citizens would build the roads and bridges. Guaranteed.

[Behshad]

The roads, bridges, infrastructure and all this that BO mentioned has all been paid for by the hard working tax payers every year, unless BO is saying the government gets it's funding from someone other then the tax payers.
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and if there were no government to build road, I assure you that a group of private citizens would build the roads and bridges. Guaranteed.

So why do we even need government. Why even vote. Why not just get rid of government, dont pay taxes and just let few people like Donald Trump run this country

[The Sushi Hunter]

The roads, bridges, infrastructure and all this that BO mentioned has all been paid for by the hard working tax payers every year, unless BO is saying the government gets it's funding from someone other then the tax payers.
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and if there were no government to build road, I assure you that a group of private citizens would build the roads and bridges. Guaranteed.

Yeah and they'd build it better, faster, and with more efficient ingenuity with less money.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

The roads, bridges, infrastructure and all this that BO mentioned has all been paid for by the hard working tax payers every year, unless BO is saying the government gets it's funding from someone other then the tax payers.
.

and if there were no government to build road, I assure you that a group of private citizens would build the roads and bridges. Guaranteed.

So why do we even need government. Why even vote. Why not just get rid of government, dont pay taxes and just let few people like Donald Trump run this country

We don't really need government - only to defend individuals from violations of their rights, violence , aggression and fraud.

[The Sushi Hunter]

The roads, bridges, infrastructure and all this that BO mentioned has all been paid for by the hard working tax payers every year, unless BO is saying the government gets it's funding from someone other then the tax payers.
.

and if there were no government to build road, I assure you that a group of private citizens would build the roads and bridges. Guaranteed.

So why do we even need government. Why even vote. Why not just get rid of government, dont pay taxes and just let few people like Donald Trump run this country

That's the concept in places such as Samolia and Nigeria. Yet we see how far it has gotten them.

[Behshad]

The roads, bridges, infrastructure and all this that BO mentioned has all been paid for by the hard working tax payers every year, unless BO is saying the government gets it's funding from someone other then the tax payers.
.

and if there were no government to build road, I assure you that a group of private citizens would build the roads and bridges. Guaranteed.

So why do we even need government. Why even vote. Why not just get rid of government, dont pay taxes and just let few people like Donald Trump run this country

That's the concept in Africa. Yet we see how far that got them.

OK so make up your mind, we need them or we dont need them ?

The bridge and roads and all were paid for and by TAX PAYERS money. but if we dont have government to keep things organized and keep track of taxation system and how its spent and what its spend on, then we will be like Africa. Also, people love to complain and point fingers and find a bad guy to blame their own failures on. Government is bad when people cant do their own job, but of course government is great when they can go there for unemployment, welfare etc.
Even if we managed to have a normal society without government, those who like to bitch and complain would still find something to bitch and complain about.

[Monker]

The roads, bridges, infrastructure and all this that BO mentioned has all been paid for by the hard working tax payers every year, unless BO is saying the government gets it's funding from someone other then the tax payers.
.

and if there were no government to build road, I assure you that a group of private citizens would build the roads and bridges. Guaranteed.

LOL...that is hysterically funny. It took until the 1950's to START building the interstate highway system. No 'band of citizens' got together to do that..and they had decades to do it. No band of citizens gather together to maintain it either. They would rather let it decay and drive on a dirt road then build and manager the interstate.

[The Sushi Hunter]

So then what happened to Solyndra. They used the same everything all the other companies used, plus they got the extra $500 Million Obamahelpinghand but didn't even stay in business longer then BO's first term. What gives? They failed big time.

[slucero]

The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways (commonly known as the Interstate Highway System, Interstate Freeway System or the Interstate) was never built for "the People"... it was because Eisenhower gained an appreciation of the German Autobahn network as a necessary component of a national defense system while he was serving as Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe during World War II.[9] He recognized that the proposed system would also provide key ground transport routes for military supplies and troop deployments in case of an emergency or foreign invasion.

[No Surprize]

You know I rarely get involved with political mud slinging, just not my style. But I regress in the name of fucking sanity. Do you REALLY want a republican in office? Wait, I regress even farther, A MORMON fucking republican? Pretty soon all the oil tycoons will have 7 wives and 1000 different ways to defer their money. I'm ALL for paying my fair share of what the fuck ever. I have been fortunate and help out all I possibly can. But I will NEVER, as long as I'm sucking wind, vote for a republican again. That being said there are thousands of things wrong with this nation and how it's ran and one person cannot solve it when he's up against 400 senators, 500 congressman, 600 legislatures, etc. To much government period is the problem. Cut the fucking red tape. It's unreal the shit that you have to wade thru to get a bill passed, a patent passed etc. And who has the right to say I can't smoke a fatty when I want? Is it that degree from Columbia, Yale, Harvard? What makes them all fucking powerful? Fuck em.

[slucero]

You know I rarely get involved with political mud slinging, just not my style. But I regress in the name of fucking sanity. Do you REALLY want a republican in office? Wait, I regress even farther, A MORMON fucking republican? Pretty soon all the oil tycoons will have 7 wives and 1000 different ways to defer their money. I'm ALL for paying my fair share of what the fuck ever. I have been fortunate and help out all I possibly can. But I will NEVER, as long as I'm sucking wind, vote for a republican again. That being said there are thousands of things wrong with this nation and how it's ran and one person cannot solve it when he's up against 400 senators, 500 congressman, 600 legislatures, etc. To much government period is the problem. Cut the fucking red tape. It's unreal the shit that you have to wade thru to get a bill passed, a patent passed etc. And who has the right to say I can't smoke a fatty when I want? Is it that degree from Columbia, Yale, Harvard? What makes them all fucking powerful? Fuck em.

no... its the people who vote them in to office...

[hoagiepete]

You know I rarely get involved with political mud slinging, just not my style. But I regress in the name of fucking sanity. Do you REALLY want a republican in office? Wait, I regress even farther, A MORMON fucking republican? Pretty soon all the oil tycoons will have 7 wives and 1000 different ways to defer their money. I'm ALL for paying my fair share of what the fuck ever. I have been fortunate and help out all I possibly can. But I will NEVER, as long as I'm sucking wind, vote for a republican again. That being said there are thousands of things wrong with this nation and how it's ran and one person cannot solve it when he's up against 400 senators, 500 congressman, 600 legislatures, etc. To much government period is the problem. Cut the fucking red tape. It's unreal the shit that you have to wade thru to get a bill passed, a patent passed etc. And who has the right to say I can't smoke a fatty when I want? Is it that degree from Columbia, Yale, Harvard? What makes them all fucking powerful? Fuck em.

So based on this, you'd vote for a Democrat???

We may have passed the tipping point. So many people have become dependant on the government, if they vote, all they will ask for is more...and get it until we are completely broke. This includes government employees. Inside the beltway needs an enema. The staffers and agencies are the red tape producers. Their liviehood depends on it. The worst part is they have no idea how the red tape and impacts real America.

Again, so you would vote for a Democrat but not a Republican?

[The Sushi Hunter]

I'm not concerned that we have a government, I am however concerned who is in the government. And who we have in the government now is usning it to destroy the country.

As for the price of health care premiums if the Obamacare is inforced, that's only going to be one small problem out of a whole lot more to come. 50% to 70% increase in rates, yeah and obviously because 50% to 70% more in health care expenses will go to the sponges who don't even pay into the system and perhaps never in their lives have, in the first place.

The roads, bridges, infrastructure and all this that BO mentioned has all been paid for by the hard working tax payers every year, unless BO is saying the government gets it's funding from someone other then the tax payers.
.

and if there were no government to build road, I assure you that a group of private citizens would build the roads and bridges. Guaranteed.

So why do we even need government. Why even vote. Why not just get rid of government, dont pay taxes and just let few people like Donald Trump run this country

That's the concept in Africa. Yet we see how far that got them.

OK so make up your mind, we need them or we dont need them ?

The bridge and roads and all were paid for and by TAX PAYERS money. but if we dont have government to keep things organized and keep track of taxation system and how its spent and what its spend on, then we will be like Africa. Also, people love to complain and point fingers and find a bad guy to blame their own failures on. Government is bad when people cant do their own job, but of course government is great when they can go there for unemployment, welfare etc.
Even if we managed to have a normal society without government, those who like to bitch and complain would still find something to bitch and complain about.

[The Sushi Hunter]

We bitch now about how much we pay in taxes, just wait for when the government tells us how much we have to pay in healthcare and hold us to it. It will be like having two tax deadlines a year instead of just one on April 15th.

The government tells us how much to pay, how much benefit we get in return, and who will get the most benefits. Go to any fast food restaurant and look at the 350+ lbs person who's spending welfare money on the meal. That's who's going to benefit the most from Obamacare.

[Monker]

We bitch now about how much we pay in taxes, just wait for when the government tells us how much we have to pay in healthcare and hold us to it. It will be like having two tax deadlines a year instead of just one on April 15th.

The government tells us how much to pay, how much benefit we get in return, and who will get the most benefits. Go to any fast food restaurant and look at the 350+ lbs person who's spending welfare money on the meal. That's who's going to benefit the most from Obamacare.

I'm glad I don't live in the fantasy world some of you people do.

Reality isn't perfect, but it's not what you just wrote.

[The Sushi Hunter]

We bitch now about how much we pay in taxes, just wait for when the government tells us how much we have to pay in healthcare and hold us to it. It will be like having two tax deadlines a year instead of just one on April 15th.

The government tells us how much to pay, how much benefit we get in return, and who will get the most benefits. Go to any fast food restaurant and look at the 350+ lbs person who's spending welfare money on the meal. That's who's going to benefit the most from Obamacare.

I'm glad I don't live in the fantasy world some of you people do.

Reality isn't perfect, but it's not what you just wrote.

America is in the fucked up situation that it is in now because of the individuals that I wrote about above. They are the reason for the problem now. Yet the Prez crafts up a mandate only involving how to get more money from the tax payers to pay into the system and not a document outlining how people like I mentioned above get less or nothing if they don't work and pay into the system. The Prez is holding the hard working tax payers accountable and not the non-working non-tax paying individuals who are living off the system.

And that is why I'm right and your wrong.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Among Uncommitted Voters, Obama Job Approval has dropped to 29%.


Ouch!

Wonder how much of this has to do with his latest claim that if your successful, you didn't built that. Writing is on the wall, he needs to go.

Back in 09' I didn't vote for him but when he won I gave him the benefit of the doubt and gave him a chance. He has blown it big time over and over and over again. Not sure if it's just him or if his side kick freak show is doing some of this brilliant thinking.

And I'm still waiting for the answer to why Solyndra failed even though it used the same roads, bridges and infrastructure as all the other companies use plus a $500 Million dollar Obamahelpinghand on top of that, and they still failed big time.

Imagine if Solyndra didn't fail. That company would have been made the poster child of this current administration's success story. Meanwhile a very sellect few of Solyndra's upper management team are probably laying out on a beach somewhere under banana leaf umbrellas drinking coconut smoothies and laughing over the entire ordeal.

[Monker]

We bitch now about how much we pay in taxes, just wait for when the government tells us how much we have to pay in healthcare and hold us to it. It will be like having two tax deadlines a year instead of just one on April 15th.

The government tells us how much to pay, how much benefit we get in return, and who will get the most benefits. Go to any fast food restaurant and look at the 350+ lbs person who's spending welfare money on the meal. That's who's going to benefit the most from Obamacare.

I'm glad I don't live in the fantasy world some of you people do.

Reality isn't perfect, but it's not what you just wrote.

America is in the fucked up situation that it is in now because of the individuals that I wrote about above. They are the reason for the problem now. Yet the Prez crafts up a mandate only involving how to get more money from the tax payers to pay into the system and not a document outlining how people like I mentioned above get less or nothing if they don't work and pay into the system. The Prez is holding the hard working tax payers accountable and not the non-working non-tax paying individuals who are living off the system.

And that is why I'm right and your wrong.

You are living in a weird fantasy.

"just wait for when the government tells us how much we have to pay in healthcare and hold us to it. It will be like having two tax deadlines a year instead of just one on April 15th."

Just crazy talk.

"Go to any fast food restaurant and look at the 350+ lbs person who's spending welfare money on the meal. That's who's going to benefit the most from Obamacare."

Complete crap that you are pulling out of your ass.

Like I sad, I'm glad I live in the real world.

[Monker]

Among Uncommitted Voters, Obama Job Approval has dropped to 29%.


Ouch!

Prove it. The only poll I saw to back this up was from back in Feb.

For someone who claims to always posts sources, you sure don't do it often enough for that statement to be anything other then a complete lie.

[The Sushi Hunter]

You've not provided one shred of rational to back up any of your claims or beliefs, only denial.

We bitch now about how much we pay in taxes, just wait for when the government tells us how much we have to pay in healthcare and hold us to it. It will be like having two tax deadlines a year instead of just one on April 15th.

The government tells us how much to pay, how much benefit we get in return, and who will get the most benefits. Go to any fast food restaurant and look at the 350+ lbs person who's spending welfare money on the meal. That's who's going to benefit the most from Obamacare.

I'm glad I don't live in the fantasy world some of you people do.

Reality isn't perfect, but it's not what you just wrote.

America is in the fucked up situation that it is in now because of the individuals that I wrote about above. They are the reason for the problem now. Yet the Prez crafts up a mandate only involving how to get more money from the tax payers to pay into the system and not a document outlining how people like I mentioned above get less or nothing if they don't work and pay into the system. The Prez is holding the hard working tax payers accountable and not the non-working non-tax paying individuals who are living off the system.

And that is why I'm right and your wrong.

You are living in a weird fantasy.

"just wait for when the government tells us how much we have to pay in healthcare and hold us to it. It will be like having two tax deadlines a year instead of just one on April 15th."

Just crazy talk.

"Go to any fast food restaurant and look at the 350+ lbs person who's spending welfare money on the meal. That's who's going to benefit the most from Obamacare."

Complete crap that you are pulling out of your ass.

Like I sad, I'm glad I live in the real world.