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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:08 pm

Monker wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:We'll see. How much stuff does this current administration have to completely fuck away before some of you realize it's a big problem? The only country where the civilians owe their business success to their government are communist countries like North Korea, China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.


Who is saying business owners owe their success to the government?


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Postby Behshad » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:42 pm

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Monker wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:We'll see. How much stuff does this current administration have to completely fuck away before some of you realize it's a big problem? The only country where the civilians owe their business success to their government are communist countries like North Korea, China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.


Who is saying business owners owe their success to the government?


Your level of intelligence is equal to that of a sun dried tomato and it's for that fact you'll never be able to piss me off.


At least he has a level of intelligence. I uses to think you did too but with your huge amount of nonsense above I'm convinced now that you're totally brainwashed.
First of that American bubble you referred to that parfait is living under , :lol: He lives in France and he has seen a lot in the world than you. You example of Japan was a total FAIL .
You're so blindfolded and brainwashed that there is no sense in trying to explain things to you. You just see things from one angle and nothing can change your mind , so I'll let you wonder around under your FoxNews-Bubble :)
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Postby parfait » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:00 pm

Behshad wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Monker wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:We'll see. How much stuff does this current administration have to completely fuck away before some of you realize it's a big problem? The only country where the civilians owe their business success to their government are communist countries like North Korea, China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.


Who is saying business owners owe their success to the government?


Your level of intelligence is equal to that of a sun dried tomato and it's for that fact you'll never be able to piss me off.


At least he has a level of intelligence. I uses to think you did too but with your huge amount of nonsense above I'm convinced now that you're totally brainwashed.
First of that American bubble you referred to that parfait is living under , :lol: He lives in France and he has seen a lot in the world than you. You example of Japan was a total FAIL .
You're so blindfolded and brainwashed that there is no sense in trying to explain things to you. You just see things from one angle and nothing can change your mind , so I'll let you wonder around under your FoxNews-Bubble :)


I mean; electing either Obama or Romney will just continue the status quo. Tired of the self-serving politicians with all their lies?

Vote for Gary Johnson. I for sure as hell would.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:35 am

parfait wrote:You're in the biggest recession since the 30'ies. Much of the increase in spending has come from mandatory spending, from mandatory programs. Those programs have expanded mostly because of the recession, which has prompted more people to apply for stuff like Medicaid and Social Security, as well as the growth in people hitting retirement age.


Yes, I know that. Unfunded liabilities, made up mostly of Medicaid Parts A&B and Social Security, are by some estimates, over $100 trillion.

I'm not saying he's perfect. Far from it. He's even worse than Bush on personal liberty and social policies -and that's saying something. But no one in their right mind would pick Romney before Obama.


I'm not a Romney fan and I don't think he's going to pull us out of any near-future disasters. However, I do think he could at least slow the rate of the growth in federal spending, which could give enough people enough time to get their financial s**t together to lessen the impact to some degree.

The Republican party is an embarrassment. The only thing they talk about is less taxes for the rich, abortion, bombing the middle east, Obama's an socialist/muslim/communist and that there's a war on religion.


Both major parties suck major rocks. That being said, abortion isn't much of an issue anymore and hasn't been since probably the 2000 election. As for taxes, no one's pushing for lower taxes for the rich but to keep the rates where they've been for the last 10+ years when taxes were lowered for EVERYONE. Stupid morons still calling them tax cuts when those have been the established rates for about a decade.
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Postby Behshad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:18 am

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parfait wrote:You're in the biggest recession since the 30'ies. Much of the increase in spending has come from mandatory spending, from mandatory programs. Those programs have expanded mostly because of the recession, which has prompted more people to apply for stuff like Medicaid and Social Security, as well as the growth in people hitting retirement age.


Yes, I know that. Unfunded liabilities, made up mostly of Medicaid Parts A&B and Social Security, are by some estimates, over $100 trillion.

I'm not saying he's perfect. Far from it. He's even worse than Bush on personal liberty and social policies -and that's saying something. But no one in their right mind would pick Romney before Obama.


I'm not a Romney fan and I don't think he's going to pull us out of any near-future disasters. However, I do think he could at least slow the rate of the growth in federal spending, which could give enough people enough time to get their financial s**t together to lessen the impact to some degree.

The Republican party is an embarrassment. The only thing they talk about is less taxes for the rich, abortion, bombing the middle east, Obama's an socialist/muslim/communist and that there's a war on religion.


Both major parties suck major rocks. That being said, abortion isn't much of an issue anymore and hasn't been since probably the 2000 election. As for taxes, no one's pushing for lower taxes for the rich but to keep the rates where they've been for the last 10+ years when taxes were lowered for EVERYONE. Stupid morons still calling them tax cuts when those have been the established rates for about a decade.


When was the last time you voted for a democrat candidate , just curious ;)
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:43 am

Behshad wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
parfait wrote:You're in the biggest recession since the 30'ies. Much of the increase in spending has come from mandatory spending, from mandatory programs. Those programs have expanded mostly because of the recession, which has prompted more people to apply for stuff like Medicaid and Social Security, as well as the growth in people hitting retirement age.


Yes, I know that. Unfunded liabilities, made up mostly of Medicaid Parts A&B and Social Security, are by some estimates, over $100 trillion.

I'm not saying he's perfect. Far from it. He's even worse than Bush on personal liberty and social policies -and that's saying something. But no one in their right mind would pick Romney before Obama.


I'm not a Romney fan and I don't think he's going to pull us out of any near-future disasters. However, I do think he could at least slow the rate of the growth in federal spending, which could give enough people enough time to get their financial s**t together to lessen the impact to some degree.

The Republican party is an embarrassment. The only thing they talk about is less taxes for the rich, abortion, bombing the middle east, Obama's an socialist/muslim/communist and that there's a war on religion.


Both major parties suck major rocks. That being said, abortion isn't much of an issue anymore and hasn't been since probably the 2000 election. As for taxes, no one's pushing for lower taxes for the rich but to keep the rates where they've been for the last 10+ years when taxes were lowered for EVERYONE. Stupid morons still calling them tax cuts when those have been the established rates for about a decade.


When was the last time you voted for a democrat candidate , just curious ;)


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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:49 am

France? Yeah that speaks volume. Really….seen more of the world then me? How can you even say that when you don't even know how much of the world I've traveled to? You're a real piece of work. Just because I mention Japan doesn't mean that's the only place. And I can tell you I've been to and operated in many more than just a few.

So explain then why Solydra failed even after they used the same roads, bridges and infrastructure as the rest of the businesses used, PLUS $500 Million dollars that Obama just gave them tax free. Matter of fact, The roads bridges and infrastructure Obama mentioned helps import all that cheap shitty crap from places like China and Mexico and then sold in the US which has been running American owned and operated business's out of business for many years now. Part of the infrastructure that Obama mentioned also includes communications such as phone lines and satellites. In which case has been able to outsource company call centers to places like India.

As for my example of how very successful business's operate in Japan, that's tried and true. With the exception of the big city where people take trains to places, the majority of the Japanese live, work, shop all in thier same community. That's not a theory, that's tried and true for many more years than America has even been a country.

Go ahead, muster up as many fools to support this current administration.





Behshad wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Monker wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:We'll see. How much stuff does this current administration have to completely fuck away before some of you realize it's a big problem? The only country where the civilians owe their business success to their government are communist countries like North Korea, China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.


Who is saying business owners owe their success to the government?


Your level of intelligence is equal to that of a sun dried tomato and it's for that fact you'll never be able to piss me off.


At least he has a level of intelligence. I uses to think you did too but with your huge amount of nonsense above I'm convinced now that you're totally brainwashed.
First of that American bubble you referred to that parfait is living under , :lol: He lives in France and he has seen a lot in the world than you. You example of Japan was a total FAIL .
You're so blindfolded and brainwashed that there is no sense in trying to explain things to you. You just see things from one angle and nothing can change your mind , so I'll let you wonder around under your FoxNews-Bubble :)
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Postby Behshad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:22 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:France? Yeah that speaks volume. Really….seen more of the world then me? How can you even say that when you don't even know how much of the world I've traveled to? You're a real piece of work. Just because I mention Japan doesn't mean that's the only place. And I can tell you I've been to and operated in many more than just a few.

So explain then why Solydra failed even after they used the same roads, bridges and infrastructure as the rest of the businesses used, PLUS $500 Million dollars that Obama just gave them tax free. Matter of fact, The roads bridges and infrastructure Obama mentioned helps import all that cheap shitty crap from places like China and Mexico and then sold in the US which has been running American owned and operated business's out of business for many years now. Part of the infrastructure that Obama mentioned also includes communications such as phone lines and satellites. In which case has been able to outsource company call centers to places like India.

As for my example of how very successful business's operate in Japan, that's tried and true. With the exception of the big city where people take trains to places, the majority of the Japanese live, work, shop all in thier same community. That's not a theory, that's tried and true for many more years than America has even been a country.

Go ahead, muster up as many fools to support this current administration.





Behshad wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Monker wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:We'll see. How much stuff does this current administration have to completely fuck away before some of you realize it's a big problem? The only country where the civilians owe their business success to their government are communist countries like North Korea, China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.


Who is saying business owners owe their success to the government?


Your level of intelligence is equal to that of a sun dried tomato and it's for that fact you'll never be able to piss me off.


At least he has a level of intelligence. I uses to think you did too but with your huge amount of nonsense above I'm convinced now that you're totally brainwashed.
First of that American bubble you referred to that parfait is living under , :lol: He lives in France and he has seen a lot in the world than you. You example of Japan was a total FAIL .
You're so blindfolded and brainwashed that there is no sense in trying to explain things to you. You just see things from one angle and nothing can change your mind , so I'll let you wonder around under your FoxNews-Bubble :)


No one said that if you use roads and bridges built by the government you will 100% be successfull. Are you that stupid ?
Even your Faux news knows that they took the one part of the president's speech way out of context.

And youre gonna put parfait down cause he is from France, when I was only trying to make you realize he isnt under that American bubble you suggested he was.

You really think that Romney will promote "SMALLER GOVERNMENT" ? , the same guy who forced government mandated healthcare in Massachusett, is now a saint ? :lol: :roll:
If you think that what they did in Japan would work in USA, then youre a fool ! They got many successful businesses in northern siberia too, mom and pop dairy farms and butchers who dont need road , cars or trains and they all commute using a donkey, you suggest we go backwards just to say we dont depend on Government ? :roll:
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Postby Behshad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:24 am

conversationpc wrote:
Behshad wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
parfait wrote:You're in the biggest recession since the 30'ies. Much of the increase in spending has come from mandatory spending, from mandatory programs. Those programs have expanded mostly because of the recession, which has prompted more people to apply for stuff like Medicaid and Social Security, as well as the growth in people hitting retirement age.


Yes, I know that. Unfunded liabilities, made up mostly of Medicaid Parts A&B and Social Security, are by some estimates, over $100 trillion.

I'm not saying he's perfect. Far from it. He's even worse than Bush on personal liberty and social policies -and that's saying something. But no one in their right mind would pick Romney before Obama.


I'm not a Romney fan and I don't think he's going to pull us out of any near-future disasters. However, I do think he could at least slow the rate of the growth in federal spending, which could give enough people enough time to get their financial s**t together to lessen the impact to some degree.

The Republican party is an embarrassment. The only thing they talk about is less taxes for the rich, abortion, bombing the middle east, Obama's an socialist/muslim/communist and that there's a war on religion.


Both major parties suck major rocks. That being said, abortion isn't much of an issue anymore and hasn't been since probably the 2000 election. As for taxes, no one's pushing for lower taxes for the rich but to keep the rates where they've been for the last 10+ years when taxes were lowered for EVERYONE. Stupid morons still calling them tax cuts when those have been the established rates for about a decade.


When was the last time you voted for a democrat candidate , just curious ;)


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Postby parfait » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:30 am

conversationpc wrote:
Behshad wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
parfait wrote:You're in the biggest recession since the 30'ies. Much of the increase in spending has come from mandatory spending, from mandatory programs. Those programs have expanded mostly because of the recession, which has prompted more people to apply for stuff like Medicaid and Social Security, as well as the growth in people hitting retirement age.


Yes, I know that. Unfunded liabilities, made up mostly of Medicaid Parts A&B and Social Security, are by some estimates, over $100 trillion.

I'm not saying he's perfect. Far from it. He's even worse than Bush on personal liberty and social policies -and that's saying something. But no one in their right mind would pick Romney before Obama.


I'm not a Romney fan and I don't think he's going to pull us out of any near-future disasters. However, I do think he could at least slow the rate of the growth in federal spending, which could give enough people enough time to get their financial s**t together to lessen the impact to some degree.

The Republican party is an embarrassment. The only thing they talk about is less taxes for the rich, abortion, bombing the middle east, Obama's an socialist/muslim/communist and that there's a war on religion.


Both major parties suck major rocks. That being said, abortion isn't much of an issue anymore and hasn't been since probably the 2000 election. As for taxes, no one's pushing for lower taxes for the rich but to keep the rates where they've been for the last 10+ years when taxes were lowered for EVERYONE. Stupid morons still calling them tax cuts when those have been the established rates for about a decade.


When was the last time you voted for a democrat candidate , just curious ;)


In the last election in November.


Personal liberty and small government is what the US is all about, right? Then why aren't more people voting libertarian? You're simply not going to get Keynesian principles combined with a non-intrusive government with the current Republicans (and certainly not with the democrats).

It's certainly about time the american people gets their head out of their ass, stop arguing over non-topics like gay rights, sexual prevention, narcotics/drugs and actually focus on what's important: individual liberty.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:01 am

Behshad wrote: No one said that if you use roads and bridges built by the government you will 100% be successfull. Are you that stupid ?
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Yeah someone did say. Obama said. Granted you're now changing it up a little bit by saying now that the president said "100% success rate." Obama didn't say 100% success rate. He did say if your are sucessful "You Didn't Build That". And since he doesn't specify a percentage, he's saying across the board every success. Plus he goes on to say something about "you think your smart.....? That's from the horse's mouth! Keep on back peddling.

So again, what happened with Solydra, they used the same roads, bridges and infrastructure.....PLUS $500 million tax free dollars provided to them by Obama and they still failed. What gives?
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Postby StevePerryHair » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:09 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Behshad wrote: No one said that if you use roads and bridges built by the government you will 100% be successfull. Are you that stupid ?
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Yeah someone did say. Obama said. Granted you're now changing it up a little bit by saying now that the president said "100% success rate." Obama didn't say 100% success rate. He did say if your are sucessful "You Didn't Build That". Plus he goes on to say something about "you think your smart.....? That's from the horses mouth!

So again, what happened with Solydra, they used the same roads, bridges and infrastructure.....PLUS $500 million tax free dollars provided to them by Obama and they still failed. What gives?
I happened to see, believe it or not, on fox news, that his statement was taken out of context and used by the other side to make him look bad. Imagine that! And though his delivery and wording wasn't the best to get his point across, especially for regular people to actually understand his point, he wasn't saying what he's been accused and made fun of for saying. His whole point is everyone got where they are from the help of someone. And it's true. Just a bad analogy.
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Postby Behshad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:21 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Behshad wrote: No one said that if you use roads and bridges built by the government you will 100% be successfull. Are you that stupid ?
:roll:


Yeah someone did say. Obama said. Granted you're now changing it up a little bit by saying now that the president said "100% success rate." Obama didn't say 100% success rate. He did say if your are sucessful "You Didn't Build That". Plus he goes on to say something about "you think your smart.....? That's from the horses mouth!

So again, what happened with Solydra, they used the same roads, bridges and infrastructure.....PLUS $500 million tax free dollars provided to them by Obama and they still failed. What gives?


He did say that if you have a successful business you didnt build that, didnt say ANYTHING about government . Any succesful business owner knows that it takes more than just the business owner to become succesful. The workers, the vendors and the methods of getting suuplies and also selling your merchendise and services are all part of that success.
EVEN if he would have said " every succesful business owner is succesful because of the government" which he DIDNT, you still dont understand it that it doesnt equal that EVERY business that got government help is successful.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:24 am

If so then why does he even mention roads, bridges and infrastructure? You know, all those things that the government uses our tax dollars for. Obama did not specify a percentage of successful businesses. So basically he's saying all success across the board.

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The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Behshad wrote: No one said that if you use roads and bridges built by the government you will 100% be successfull. Are you that stupid ?
:roll:


Yeah someone did say. Obama said. Granted you're now changing it up a little bit by saying now that the president said "100% success rate." Obama didn't say 100% success rate. He did say if your are sucessful "You Didn't Build That". Plus he goes on to say something about "you think your smart.....? That's from the horses mouth!

So again, what happened with Solydra, they used the same roads, bridges and infrastructure.....PLUS $500 million tax free dollars provided to them by Obama and they still failed. What gives?


He did say that if you have a successful business you didnt build that, didnt say ANYTHING about government . Any succesful business owner knows that it takes more than just the business owner to become succesful. The workers, the vendors and the methods of getting suuplies and also selling your merchendise and services are all part of that success.
EVEN if he would have said " every succesful business owner is succesful because of the government" which he DIDNT, you still dont understand it that it doesnt equal that EVERY business that got government help is successful.
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Postby Behshad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:26 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:If so then why does he even mention roads, bridges and infrastructure? You know, all those things that the government uses our tax dollars for.

Behshad wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Behshad wrote: No one said that if you use roads and bridges built by the government you will 100% be successfull. Are you that stupid ?
:roll:


Yeah someone did say. Obama said. Granted you're now changing it up a little bit by saying now that the president said "100% success rate." Obama didn't say 100% success rate. He did say if your are sucessful "You Didn't Build That". Plus he goes on to say something about "you think your smart.....? That's from the horses mouth!

So again, what happened with Solydra, they used the same roads, bridges and infrastructure.....PLUS $500 million tax free dollars provided to them by Obama and they still failed. What gives?


He did say that if you have a successful business you didnt build that, didnt say ANYTHING about government . Any succesful business owner knows that it takes more than just the business owner to become succesful. The workers, the vendors and the methods of getting suuplies and also selling your merchendise and services are all part of that success.
EVEN if he would have said " every succesful business owner is succesful because of the government" which he DIDNT, you still dont understand it that it doesnt equal that EVERY business that got government help is successful.



because thats all part of it, not THE only reason a business is successful. Do you think Fedex is a successful business ? and do you think they would been as successful if they wouldve implemented your Japanese method ? ;) :lol:
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:32 am

And it is important to add that I saw Obama's speech on youtube first before anywhere else. So it has nothing to do with any specific news agency twisting or changing something. I saw the speech and it was absolutely bullshit!
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Postby Behshad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:35 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:And it is important to add that I saw Obama's speech on youtube first before anywhere else. So it has nothing to do with any specific news agency twisting or changing something. I saw the speech and it was absolutely bullshit!


Did you see the entire speech or did you see the short clip with 2 sentences on youtube ?
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:16 am

Behshad wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:And it is important to add that I saw Obama's speech on youtube first before anywhere else. So it has nothing to do with any specific news agency twisting or changing something. I saw the speech and it was absolutely bullshit!


Did you see the entire speech or did you see the short clip with 2 sentences on youtube ?


I've not seen just two sentences of it. I saw the entire thing. Actually I'm going to go back on there and rewatch it from start to finish and see if that changes anything about what I saw was put on the table.
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Postby Behshad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:34 am

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Obama says the private industry can compete against the government. “They do it all the time,” he says. “If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems.”



There you have it folks. Case closed.

For those who don't know what's wrong with that statement, I ain't gonna waste my time explaining it to you. It's usless.....Dream On kiddies.

btw, B, you ever vote for a pubbie Pres?


I wasnt a US Citizen back when Bush Sr was running or I wouldve voted for him ;) And I think Ron Paul wouldve been a much better candidate than Romney.
And have you ever voted for a democrat president ? :wink:
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Fact Finder wrote:No.



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Postby Behshad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:52 am

Fact Finder wrote:In my voting lifetime I've had the choice of Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Clinton, Kerry and The Won. Not one of those is even remotely aligned with my beliefs, and Fox News nor Cable News were even around for me when I developed these beliefs. I grew up on Cincy's 5,9, and 12. :wink:


So W Bush was more aligned with your beliefs than Kerry ? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And of course you didnt like our great economy, low unemployment and no wars, during Clinton. Good on ya, typical (blind&brainwashed) republican ;)
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Postby SF-Dano » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:23 am

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Fact Finder wrote:In my voting lifetime I've had the choice of Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Clinton, Kerry and The Won. Not one of those is even remotely aligned with my beliefs, and Fox News nor Cable News were even around for me when I developed these beliefs. I grew up on Cincy's 5,9, and 12. :wink:


So W Bush was more aligned with your beliefs than Kerry ? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And of course you didnt like our great economy, low unemployment and no wars, during Clinton. Good on ya, typical (blind&brainwashed) republican ;)


No wars ..... well I guess not declared. He had no problem bombing the heck out of civilians though. Something many seem to have forgotten.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:43 am

Behshad wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Obama says the private industry can compete against the government. “They do it all the time,” he says. “If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems.”



There you have it folks. Case closed.

For those who don't know what's wrong with that statement, I ain't gonna waste my time explaining it to you. It's usless.....Dream On kiddies.

btw, B, you ever vote for a pubbie Pres?


I wasnt a US Citizen back when Bush Sr was running or I wouldve voted for him ;) And I think Ron Paul wouldve been a much better candidate than Romney.
And have you ever voted for a democrat president ? :wink:


Have you ever voted Republican?
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:05 am

So if it's true that someone else helped "you" build that, specifically a teacher as he explains, then wouldn't it be true that every student that had that specific teacher regardless, would become a successful business owner and operator? That speech was crafted and presented to take away individual accomplishment from the individuals who worked hard and brought a company to a success. And to provide an excuse to the individuals who pissed away their life and didn't amount to anything in they’re lives. Sort of like an AA meeting I attended twenty years ago with someone I knew who was an alcoholic, in which everyone is an alcoholic but not everyone gets caught or does something stupid to get caught. Again, to make people who pissed away their lives on alcohol feel good and take away accomplishment from the people like me who is responsible and not being stupid on alcohol.
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Postby Behshad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:25 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:So if it's true that someone else helped "you" build that, specifically a teacher as he explains, then wouldn't it be true that every student that had that specific teacher regardless, would become a successful business owner and operator? That speech was crafted and presented to take away individual accomplishment from the individuals who worked hard and brought a company to a success. And to provide an excuse to the individuals who pissed away their life and didn't amount to anything in they’re lives. Sort of like an AA meeting I attended twenty years ago with someone I knew who was an alcoholic, in which everyone is an alcoholic but not everyone gets caught or does something stupid to get caught. Again, to make people who pissed away their lives on alcohol feel good and take away accomplishment from the people like me who is responsible and not being stupid on alcohol.


you dont get it do you


Every successful student had a great teacher doesnt mean every student that had a teacher would end up successful.

Also I answered above about voting republican ;)
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:47 am

It's Blowjob Bill to the rescue. Wonder how many females attending are going to wear a blue dress?

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... csp=34news
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:49 am

Behshad wrote:Also I answered above about voting republican ;)


Where, I didn't see it.
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Postby slucero » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:35 am

Behshad wrote:And of course you didnt like our great economy, low unemployment and no wars, during Clinton. Good on ya, typical (blind&brainwashed) republican ;)



Before you completely swallow Clinton's load you might do some real research... typical (blind&brainwashed) sheeple..



Clinton economy:

Clinton administration did not face September 11th, two wars, Hurricane Katrina, a U.S. financial crisis (which was largely caused by the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999, by Clinton and a Republican Congress), or a global financial crisis.


Clinton unemployment rate:


The funny thing about the Average unemployment rate for both is:

Clinton: 5.2%
Bush: 5.3%

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The difference is mainly due to the steady decline in the labor force participation rate, during the Bush presidency. The Labor Force Participation Rate measures the number of people in the labor force as a percentage of the Civilian Labor Force. Therefore, the unemployment rate likely remained low under Bush because many of the unemployed simply stopped looking for jobs.

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Clinton wars:

An excerpt from President Clinton's speech 8-20-1998 concerning the attacks on Afghanistan and Sudan.

"THE PRESIDENT:

"Good afternoon. Today I ordered our Armed Forces to strike at terrorist-related facilities in Afghanistan and Sudan because of the imminent threat they presented to our national security.

I want to speak with you about the objective of this action and why it was necessary. Our target was terror. Our mission was clear -- to strike at the network of radical groups affiliated with and funded by Osama bin Laden, perhaps the preeminent organizer and financier of international terrorism in the world today.

The groups associated with him come from diverse places, but share a hatred for democracy, a fanatical glorification of violence, and a horrible distortion of their religion to justify the murder of innocents. They have made the United States their adversary precisely because of what we stand for and what we stand against."


Wikipedia explains: "Officials later acknowledged, however, "that the evidence that prompted President Clinton to order the missile strike on the Shifa plant was not as solid as first portrayed. Indeed, officials later said that there was no proof that the plant had been manufacturing or storing nerve gas, as initially suspected by the Americans, or had been linked to Osama bin Laden, who was a resident of Khartoum in the 1980s."



Then there was Kosovo:

NATO's bombing campaign lasted from March 24 to June 11, 1999, involving up to 1,000 aircraft operating mainly from bases in Italy and aircraft carriers stationed in the Adriatic. Tomahawk cruise missiles were also extensively used, fired from aircraft, ships and submarines. All of the NATO members were involved to some degree—even Greece, despite publicly opposing the war.

Over the ten weeks of the conflict, NATO aircraft flew over 38,000 combat missions. The U.S. Department of Defense claimed that, up to June 2, 99.6% of the 20,000 bombs and missiles used had hit their targets.

But.... NATO did not have the backing of the United Nations Security Council, yet the NATO nations were mostly led by centre-left and moderately liberal leaders, most prominently U.S. President Bill Clinton, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien, German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder and the Italian Prime Minister Massimo D'Alema." NATO officials sought to portray it as a "clean war" using precision weapons. However, the use of technologies such as depleted uranium ammunition and cluster bombs was highly controversial, as was the bombing of oil refineries and chemical plants, which led to accusations of "environmental warfare".


"There was, however, criticism from all parts of the political spectrum for the way that NATO conducted the campaign.

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Postby Monker » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:01 pm

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Monker wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:We'll see. How much stuff does this current administration have to completely fuck away before some of you realize it's a big problem? The only country where the civilians owe their business success to their government are communist countries like North Korea, China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.


Who is saying business owners owe their success to the government?


Your level of intelligence is equal to that of a sun dried tomato and it's for that fact you'll never be able to piss me off.


Look at the stuff you are saying...you are just making things up. NOBODY has said the above. If it goes back to the speech, which I wasn't sure you were talking about, Obama didn't say it, he didn't imply it...and your fantasy about his intentions I simply do not believe is true.

The fact is that coming together for a common goal can accomplish more then a single person. That was his point. And, history proves that point so often that only a fool would argue against it. But, that obviously leaves the door open for a lot of people on this forum.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:17 pm

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Behshad wrote:When was the last time you voted for a democrat candidate , just curious ;)


In the last election in November.


Personal liberty and small government is what the US is all about, right? Then why aren't more people voting libertarian? You're simply not going to get Keynesian principles combined with a non-intrusive government with the current Republicans (and certainly not with the democrats).

It's certainly about time the american people gets their head out of their ass, stop arguing over non-topics like gay rights, sexual prevention, narcotics/drugs and actually focus on what's important: individual liberty.


Out of 10 contested races in the last election on my ballot, I voted for three libertarians. All three, if I remember correctly, were for national office. Regardless, I don't vote straight party tickets. Straight party voting is for those who either don't do their homework and research the candidates or brain dead zombies.
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