President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

by **Gin and Tonic Sky** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:43 am

slucero wrote:I expect Romney to lose, but not not because Obama gets more Dem votes.

After what the GOP did at the convention, by changing the delegate rules when the delegate vote was clearly "no"... I expect enough Tea Party, Independent Conservative, Libertarian, and newly shocked & disgruntled Republicans will:

write in a candidate,
vote for Obama or
simply stay away from the voting booth altogether.

Or vote for a third party such as Libertarian Party who is actually running a principled ex-GOP governor G Johnson who can't win of course but is deserving of support. Johnson could win 8% in the state of Colorado, 5% in nevada, 4 in NH and 10% in Nevada (areas where he is better known and liked)

by **Monker** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:08 am

Fact Finder wrote:
"Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the [$8-$10/gal] levels in Europe." - Barack Obama's
Energy Secretary Steve Chu

I agree...we are too addicted to oil and the only way to get us off of it is if it becomes more expensive then alternative fuels. So, add the taxes and such, doesn't bother me at all.

"This is not just something that squeezes family budgets, it squeezes businesses. It also gives us a bad foreign policy in that we are so dependent on other countries for our oil imports, it's the biggest part of our trade deficit and so what's frustrating about the Obama administration's policies are they've gone to great lengths to make oil and gas more expensive." - Congressman Paul Ryan, Vice Presidential Candidate

He's not gone to great lengths to make it more expensive. He has NOT made any efforts to make it LESS expensive...and has put the effort into developing alternative fuels instead. I agree with this. We must move past oil as a major, or any, source of are energy resources.

And, what an idiot. If we remove oil from the equation...it simplifies our foriegn policy, it elimnates that portion of our trade and business will adapt. No wonder Republicns are going to lose...they are stuck in the 1970's.

by **Monker** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:16 am

Fact Finder wrote:1. When you include the underutilized labor figure with the eight million Americans who have lost hope altogether and stopped looking for a job, real unemployment now stands at just under 19 percent.

2. If the labor force were the same as when President Obama took office in January 2009, the unemployment rate reported on Friday would be 11.2 percent.

3. A record 88,921,000 Americans are no longer in the labor force. To be included in that figure, an individual must be over 16 years of age, a civilian, not in a mental hospital or nursing home, and have stopped hunting for a job for at least four weeks.

4. The average American lost 40 percent of their wealth from 2007 to 2010.

5. Every fifth man in America is out of work.

6. One out of two Americans are now low-income or below the poverty line.

7. Over the past four years, 400,000 food stamp recipients a month have been added to the welfare dole.

8. In 2006-2007, 90 percent of college graduates landed jobs. Under Obama, just 56 percent find work after college.

9. A gallon of gasoline cost $1.84 when Obama entered office. Today, a gallon of gas costs $3.77.

10. Every fourth home mortgage in America is underwater.

11. Under Obama, healthcare costs have skyrocketed 18.9 percent.

It is to cry for B.

Even if that were all true, which I don't believe it is, what does it say about Romney since he is losing? What a sad state the Republican party is in.

by **RedWingFan** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:36 am

He's so smart. Been hanging around Biden too long. The stupid's rubbing off on him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 1W9ih09gxU

Website · by **steveo777** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:18 pm

Andrew locked my Romney thread, asking, shouldn't this be posted in the Obama thread? No, dumb ass, my thread was about Romney, not Obama. You must be a fucking democrat! :wink:

by **Andrew** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:39 pm

steveo777 wrote:Andrew locked my Romney thread, asking, shouldn't this be posted in the Obama thread? No, dumb ass, my thread was about Romney, not Obama. You must be a fucking democrat!

It's all politicrap.... And Mitt Mormon isn't elected yet...

by **Andrew** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:39 pm

Fact Finder wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Andrew locked my Romney thread, asking, shouldn't this be posted in the Obama thread? No, dumb ass, my thread was about Romney, not Obama. You must be a fucking democrat!

He'll have to unlock it in 58 days if he's fair.

IF and when...

by **Liam** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:58 pm

Obama's a socialist prick, who wasn't born in this country.

Oh...Beer is AWESOME. :lol:

Website · by **steveo777** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:52 pm

Andrew wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Andrew locked my Romney thread, asking, shouldn't this be posted in the Obama thread? No, dumb ass, my thread was about Romney, not Obama. You must be a fucking democrat!

It's all politicrap.... And Mitt Mormon isn't elected yet...

My sisters got to you! :shock:

by **Gin and Tonic Sky** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:15 pm

its all over for Romney....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sions.html

what a dopey thing to stumble into base won't turn out now

by **Behshad** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:58 pm

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:its all over for Romney....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sions.html

what a dopey thing to stumble into base won't turn out now

by **Behshad** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:48 am

Fact Finder wrote:
No, Romney did not say he will keep parts of Obamacare

Throughout his campaign, Mitt Romney has constantly voiced one rock-solid promise: the repeal and replacement of Obamacare. This morning on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Mitt Romney was pressed about his plans for healthcare. During his answer, he said "Well, I'm not getting rid of all of healthcare reform."

Voices from both ends of the spectrum have pounced on the line. The left (including most major media websites) claims he said he’ll keep parts of Obamacare intact. Meanwhile, the right is busy calling him a turncoat and sellout who’s dumped his plan to repeal the Affordable Care Act. In reality, they’re both wrong.

If you listen past the soundbite, you’ll hear Romney’s full intent.

“Of course, there are a number of things that I like in healthcare reform that I'm going to put in place," Romney said. "One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like."

From the very beginning of his candidacy, the word “replace” has been a regular fixture of Romney’s plans. Today was no different.

"I say we're going to replace Obamacare. And I'm replacing it with my own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people."

Clearly, from day one, both pre-existing conditions and the ability to keep college-age children on family health plans have been “on the table.” You can certainly argue the merits of these decisions, but you can’t pretend they weren’t being considered. When Romney presents a new plan, they'll probably be included.

Along with these adjustments will likely come tort reform and laws allowing insurance companies to compete across state boundaries. That these measures might eventually become part of Romney’s future health care provisions in no way means he’s abandoned his pledge to repeal. In fact, it makes it pretty clear that's still the plan..

No one should be surprised that there will be some form of new health care legislation should Romney be elected. He’s made this clear for months. In fact, he’ll likely give the left some of what they’ve been asking for. However, there’s nothing in today’s comments that should give anyone the impression that he won’t repeal Obamacare.

We all know there is work to be done in the health care space. All Romney did was acknowledge that fact - something he’s done many times before.

On September 9, 2012 Romney stated on Meet the Press "I'm not getting rid of all of health care reform. Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I'm going to put in place."

But, but I thought he said he would repeal Obamacare. Didn't he?

Well, yes, as a matter of fact, he did. When the Supreme Court ruled Obamacare constitutional he said, "...I will act to repeal Obamacare." On July 10,2012 he stated that it must be repealed and gave some reasons.

But, none-the-less, he is talking about his plans for replacing Obamacare. On Meet the Press he said that he wants to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Then he says that he wants to assure "that the marketplace" allows for individuals to have policies to cover their family up to whatever age they want. What he is saying is that he will force insurance companies to follow government mandates. Government force is not compatible with the free market.
But wait, didn't he say he would defend economic freedom and opportunity?

He did. At the Republican Convention he said, "In the campaign to come, the American ideals of economic freedom and opportunity need a clear and unapologetic defense, and I intend to make it because I have lived it."

So why does Romney say he is not getting rid of all of health care reform? And why isn't he consistent in defending the free market?

The problem is that most of our current politicians don't think or act on principle. Notice that when Romney spoke about repealing Obamacare his reasons were the high costs and its effect on Medicare and jobs, not the infringement of our freedom. He never once mentioned that health care is not a right. If he understood that principle he would reject the entire notion of the government having anything to do with controlling our health care.

Our Founding Fathers were able to think and act on principle. They had a founding principle upon which our country was built and without which there never would have been a United States of America. It is this single idea that all the rest of their ideas rested upon and it is how they came up with their unique system of government. Does Romney even know what that one principle is? Let alone stick to it? Yet the Founders were willing to risk their lives and everything they had for it-the principle of individual rights.

Individual rights are spelled out very clearly in the Declaration of Independence: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It goes on to say that the government was created among men to protect those rights. And that is all the government should be doing. That's it.

The government should not be regulating us. They should not be forcing our insurance companies, forcing our doctors, forcing the markets, forcing us. That is not freedom.

Paul Ryan stated, "We are not going to try and replace our founding principles; we are going to re-apply our founding principles." If Paul Ryan understands those principles let's hope he communicates them to Romney before the election because so far it's not looking so good.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... z264tyAppE

No matter what you think FF, this will hurt Romney even more, because to voters it means flip-flopping and Romney backin out on his own words about Government's involvement in healthcare.

Funny how you want people to listen to the entire soundbyte and not take things out of context. hmmm :lol:

by **Monker** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:16 am

Behshad wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
No, Romney did not say he will keep parts of Obamacare

Throughout his campaign, Mitt Romney has constantly voiced one rock-solid promise: the repeal and replacement of Obamacare. This morning on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Mitt Romney was pressed about his plans for healthcare. During his answer, he said "Well, I'm not getting rid of all of healthcare reform."

Voices from both ends of the spectrum have pounced on the line. The left (including most major media websites) claims he said he’ll keep parts of Obamacare intact. Meanwhile, the right is busy calling him a turncoat and sellout who’s dumped his plan to repeal the Affordable Care Act. In reality, they’re both wrong.

If you listen past the soundbite, you’ll hear Romney’s full intent.

“Of course, there are a number of things that I like in healthcare reform that I'm going to put in place," Romney said. "One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like."

From the very beginning of his candidacy, the word “replace” has been a regular fixture of Romney’s plans. Today was no different.

"I say we're going to replace Obamacare. And I'm replacing it with my own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people."

Clearly, from day one, both pre-existing conditions and the ability to keep college-age children on family health plans have been “on the table.” You can certainly argue the merits of these decisions, but you can’t pretend they weren’t being considered. When Romney presents a new plan, they'll probably be included.

Along with these adjustments will likely come tort reform and laws allowing insurance companies to compete across state boundaries. That these measures might eventually become part of Romney’s future health care provisions in no way means he’s abandoned his pledge to repeal. In fact, it makes it pretty clear that's still the plan..

No one should be surprised that there will be some form of new health care legislation should Romney be elected. He’s made this clear for months. In fact, he’ll likely give the left some of what they’ve been asking for. However, there’s nothing in today’s comments that should give anyone the impression that he won’t repeal Obamacare.

We all know there is work to be done in the health care space. All Romney did was acknowledge that fact - something he’s done many times before.

On September 9, 2012 Romney stated on Meet the Press "I'm not getting rid of all of health care reform. Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I'm going to put in place."

But, but I thought he said he would repeal Obamacare. Didn't he?

Well, yes, as a matter of fact, he did. When the Supreme Court ruled Obamacare constitutional he said, "...I will act to repeal Obamacare." On July 10,2012 he stated that it must be repealed and gave some reasons.

But, none-the-less, he is talking about his plans for replacing Obamacare. On Meet the Press he said that he wants to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Then he says that he wants to assure "that the marketplace" allows for individuals to have policies to cover their family up to whatever age they want. What he is saying is that he will force insurance companies to follow government mandates. Government force is not compatible with the free market.
But wait, didn't he say he would defend economic freedom and opportunity?

He did. At the Republican Convention he said, "In the campaign to come, the American ideals of economic freedom and opportunity need a clear and unapologetic defense, and I intend to make it because I have lived it."

So why does Romney say he is not getting rid of all of health care reform? And why isn't he consistent in defending the free market?

The problem is that most of our current politicians don't think or act on principle. Notice that when Romney spoke about repealing Obamacare his reasons were the high costs and its effect on Medicare and jobs, not the infringement of our freedom. He never once mentioned that health care is not a right. If he understood that principle he would reject the entire notion of the government having anything to do with controlling our health care.

Our Founding Fathers were able to think and act on principle. They had a founding principle upon which our country was built and without which there never would have been a United States of America. It is this single idea that all the rest of their ideas rested upon and it is how they came up with their unique system of government. Does Romney even know what that one principle is? Let alone stick to it? Yet the Founders were willing to risk their lives and everything they had for it-the principle of individual rights.

Individual rights are spelled out very clearly in the Declaration of Independence: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It goes on to say that the government was created among men to protect those rights. And that is all the government should be doing. That's it.

The government should not be regulating us. They should not be forcing our insurance companies, forcing our doctors, forcing the markets, forcing us. That is not freedom.

Paul Ryan stated, "We are not going to try and replace our founding principles; we are going to re-apply our founding principles." If Paul Ryan understands those principles let's hope he communicates them to Romney before the election because so far it's not looking so good.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... z264tyAppE

No matter what you think FF, this will hurt Romney even more, because to voters it means flip-flopping and Romney backin out on his own words about Government's involvement in healthcare.

Funny how you want people to listen to the entire soundbyte and not take things out of context. hmmm

You are correct...The Daily Show came out with a bit on this months ago. Essentially, he likes all the bits in Obama's plan.....except for how to pay for it. How does Romney plan on paying for it? Nobody REALLY knows.

IMO, Romney is talking out of both sides of his mouth. On one side, he hates Obamacare and wants to repeal it. That appeals to Tea Party followers and conservative Republicans - his base. On the other side of his mouth he says he likes this and that and wants to replace Obamacare....with the exact same thing but pay for it with a magic wand. The appeals to moderates and independents, or at least softens the blow of a full repeal...supposedly.

The problem is he comes off like a two faced politician who will say anything to get votes. When he talks about it in detail....I think it hurts him with BOTH sides. This is one debate issue where Obama can make Romney talk in circles and sound like an idiot.

by AR » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:36 am

Monker wrote:
The problem is he comes off like a two faced politician who will say anything to get votes. When he talks about it in detail....I think it hurts him with BOTH sides. This is one debate issue where Obama can make Romney talk in circles and sound like an idiot.

How will he do that without a teleprompter?

by **Monker** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:52 am

AR wrote:
Monker wrote:
The problem is he comes off like a two faced politician who will say anything to get votes. When he talks about it in detail....I think it hurts him with BOTH sides. This is one debate issue where Obama can make Romney talk in circles and sound like an idiot.

How will he do that without a teleprompter?

The same way he did it to McCain.

The Republican base is going to feel like they were lied to. Repeal Obamacare and replace it with his plan, which Obamacare was taken from. No matter how it is argued, Romney looks like an idiot and a liar.

by **Memorex** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:14 am

Any discussion that is not about jobs and controlling spending is a distraction. No one is going to change a woman's rights. Gay marriage will remain a state by state issue. Health care will always be a back and forth.

None of anything works without jobs and far less spending. And neither side has me confident in that in any way. Frankly, all of America is making me feel less than confident.

by AR » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:19 am

Monker wrote:
AR wrote:
Monker wrote:
The problem is he comes off like a two faced politician who will say anything to get votes. When he talks about it in detail....I think it hurts him with BOTH sides. This is one debate issue where Obama can make Romney talk in circles and sound like an idiot.

How will he do that without a teleprompter?

The same way he did it to McCain.

The Republican base is going to feel like they were lied to. Repeal Obamacare and replace it with his plan, which Obamacare was taken from. No matter how it is argued, Romney looks like an idiot and a liar.

Call Romney a liar if you want (I'm not following much), but I doubt he's an idiot. I'd love to be called an "idiot" with his bank account.

by **Behshad** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:11 am

Fact Finder wrote:The U.S. has fallen for the fourth straight year, by two spots, to the seventh most competitive country, according to The Global Competitiveness Report 2012-2013 by the World Economic Forum.

It is now led by Switzerland, Singapore, Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and Germany.

Care to FACT check : WIKI !

by **slucero** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:23 am

some other interesting data.. http://www.opm.gov/feddata/HistoricalTa ... ce1962.asp

Gonna be hard to reduce government spending when all you've done is increase the size of government..

by **Behshad** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:06 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:The U.S. has fallen for the fourth straight year, by two spots, to the seventh most competitive country, according to The Global Competitiveness Report 2012-2013 by the World Economic Forum.

It is now led by Switzerland, Singapore, Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands and Germany.

Care to FACT check : WIKI !

http://www.weforum.org/issues/global-competitiveness

I wasnt arguing with the numbers, I was just finding it pretty funny that the pic you shared suggested WIKI as the new source of FACT, then again with you as FACT FINDER , we cant expect much more

No worries though, US is number one on Wiki for now :lol:

by **slucero** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:23 am

You must read a different Wiki page..

USA is ranked #7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Com ... ess_Report

by **slucero** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:26 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Welch Allyn job cuts are related to new tax mandated by health care law

Updated: Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 6:30 AM

Skaneatles Falls, NY -- Welch Allyn told employees at companywide meetings this morning that it plans to cut 275 jobs, or about 10 percent of its worldwide workforce. The uncertainty surrounding the future of the Obama health care package is creating turmoil in the domestic market, [Chief Executive Steve Meyer] said. Hospitals and doctor offices aren't investing in new equipment until they see how the health care issues will play out, Meyer said.

Welch Allyn and other medical device makers face a new federal tax hike come January when a new 2.3 percent tax on sales of medical devices called for under the Affordable Care Act takes effect, he said.

For example, a company that has $100 million in sales would pay $2.3 million in tax, Meyer explained. If that same company earns $10 million in profit that tax now represents a 23 percent dip in the bottom line, he said.

People losing their jobs because of ObamaCare?

Ironic that a leading Democrat wants to prevent that... because the jobs being lost are in the state she's running for Senate...

Why Elizabeth Warren Wants to Repeal Part of Obamacare
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... obamacare/

U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren is a superstar within the Democratic Party and a lightning rod for Republican outrage over the issue of tax fairness. But there is one tax that Warren doesn’t like and it’s part of Obamacare.

The 2.3 percent excise tax on medical devices is a little-known provision in the law that is estimated to raise $20 billion in revenue over 10 years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

But some Democrats, including Warren, a Democratic National Convention speaker, represent states that employ medical device workers and are concerned that the tax with hamper job growth in industry valued at over $100 billion in 2010, according to the Department of Commerce.

The other democratic Senators who have expressed concern with the tax are Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:09 am

Fact Finder wrote:
In July, a GAI analysis of President Obama’s calendar found that the president has spent just 412 hours in economic meetings of any kind throughout his presidency versus the over 600 hours he’s spent golfing.

Never underestimate the powers of the game of golf. Just remember, that's where O.J. spent most of his time looking for the "real" killer after he was acquitted.

by **Liam** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:25 am

2016 was the scariest fuckin' movie I've ever seen.

by **conversationpc** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:12 am

Fact Finder wrote:Libya militias storm US consulate over insulting' film

FLASH: US consulate in Libya set on fire...

Egypt-Iran intelligence meeting prompts fears of new terror axis...

Been a busy 9/11.

...and then our own embassy apologizes for "hurt religious feelings". http://twitchy.com/2012/09/11/unreal-mo ... -feelings/

by **Liam** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:30 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Liam wrote:2016 was the scariest fuckin' movie I've ever seen.

I've been tempted to go see it but haven't because I don't need to know anymore about O then I already know. Everyone I've talked to about it says it should be required viewing for voters. I believe it has already quietly passed Michael Moores F911 at the box office gross, so lots of people are going to see it.

Go see it, dude. It outlines how radically socialist he actually is.

by **Liam** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:14 am

EESH...no pearly squirts on the screen. LMAO

by **slucero** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:09 pm

10 of the most prescient indicators of the resilience of the consumer and his largest asset (liability) since the 'supposed' end of the recession.

Notice the circled one that is government-backed, subprime-funded, over-inventoried, and entirely channel-fucking-stuffed.

MR

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