President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Behshad]

Awe. Why don't you share the 2007 fire story too Dave ?!

Walks like a republican , talks like a republican = REPUBLICAN !
Why ashamed of it ? Don't answer !

[Behshad]

[Liam]

With all the other shit going down in the world, I could give a fuck less about Gay marriage. I'm fully against it, but at the moment, I don't care about it. Small potatoes.

[conversationpc]

Awe. Why don't you share the 2007 fire story too Dave ?!

Walks like a republican , talks like a republican = REPUBLICAN !
Why ashamed of it ? Don't answer !

The point is that these things are instances where Romney actually helped someone of his own accord and did not seek to publicize it for his own gain. These things came to light (even though very few outlets have even reported on it) because those folks stepped forward and shared the story. Romney could have had cameras and reporters following him at those things but he didn't. Obama only believes it's the government's role to do those things and won't even help his own brother out of the faux-goodness of his heart.

As for the whole Republican thing, we've discussed this before. I'll never register with another political party again unless I have to move to a state where that's necessary to vote in a primary. Regardless, I'm an independent but I make no secret that I lean conservative libertarian, which means, yes, that I'm going to agree with the Republican candidates a lot more than I will with the Democrats. That doesn't mean I support the party as a whole or think they are any less in the pocket of big business, big labor, big etc., than the Democrats are. We've seen so many instances of corruption from both of the major parties that it really makes no sense at all to me for ANYONE to be affiliated or blindly support one party over the other. Straight ticket voting is an excuse to exercise as few brain cells as possible.

[Behshad]

Behshad wrote:

Bunch of BS as always.

There were marines on spot who evacuated the Americans , but Stevens became separated from the group.

Hmmmmmmm, B, want to add another case to our bet?

There were no Marines in Libya buddy. Zip, zero, nada.

Do we allow other nation plant their troops in their embassys in our country ? no.
Why should they allow us to have Marines or any military in their cities? They did however allow us to get the Marines there to help protect and evacuate.

Again, are you suggesting that if a Republican was in office, we would have a handfull of Marines and couple of choppers hovering over the embassy at all times ?

[Behshad]

Behshad wrote:

Bunch of BS as always.

There were marines on spot who evacuated the Americans , but Stevens became separated from the group.

Hmmmmmmm, B, want to add another case to our bet?

There were no Marines in Libya buddy. Zip, zero, nada.

Do we allow other nation plant their troops in their embassys in our country ? no.
Why should they allow us to have Marines or any military in their cities? They did however allow us to get the Marines there to help protect and evacuate.

Again, are you suggesting that if a Republican was in office, we would have a handfull of Marines and couple of choppers hovering over the embassy at all times ?

No, I'm suggesting that you were pulling it out of your ass yesterday, that's all.

What was that you called it , oh yea, nice deflection.
You've had your head up your ass for so long, you think that a riot in a city in middle east would have had a different outcome if our President was a republican.

[Monker]

Yeah, is so comparable to the other film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjqXt_wRkS8

What about Obama's anti-Islam filmmaker?

Anti-Islam Filmmaker Donated Million Dollars To Obama Campaign

Blame the movie.

Blame the movie.

Blame the movie.

Even though "the movie" was on YouTube for months prior to the collective indignation of thousands of Middle Eastern Islamists all coming together on the eleventh anniversary of September 11th (through wild coincidence, no doubt), we are being told by our government and our media overlords that we must blame the movie.

You see, if we blame the movie for the burning of our foreign outposts and the brutal murders of four Americans (including our Libyan ambassador who was reportedly raped), we won't blame the burners and the looters and the murderers and the rapists.

You see, if we blame the movie for the Middle East burning, we won't blames the Islamists who are doing the burning and looting and raping and murdering.

Which means we won't further connect the dots and blame Obama's failed Middle East policy; the Obama Doctrine of backing away from the region and allowing events to unfold as America stands idly by -- as the Islamists in the Muslim Brotherhood grab hold of power in Egypt, a country that was once our largest and closest ally.

Blame the filmmaker.

Hunt him.

Out him.

Demonize him.

Burn the straw man!

And all at the direction of a president of the United States who has sworn to uphold the Constitution, you know, the same Constitution that treasures the right of free expression and speech above all else.

But no one asks … What about Bill Maher?

Bill Maher?

Bill Maher made a comedy/documentary called "Religulous" that's most famous for mercilessly mocking Christianity. But what people forget is that the last twenty-minutes or so of the film make a damning case against Islam.

Bill Maher made a film that mocked Islam.

Oh, yes, he did.

Bill Maher also contributed $1 million to a pro-Obama super PAC.

And I'm sure that upon being reminded of this, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will tremble with self-righteous indignation and demand Maher take his money back.

After all, if movies create the terrorists who in turn create the terrorism, what about Bill Maher?

And what if the terrorists learn that the president of the United States is benefitting from a million dollar contribution given by a filmmaker who mocked Islam? How will Hillary Clinton claim with any credibility that the United States government has no connection to this outrage? How will White House spokesman Jay Carney say this with any credibility:

“The reason why there is unrest is because of the film,” he said at one point. “This is in response to the film.” At another moment, he said, “The cause of the unrest was a video.” At yet another, “These protests were in reaction to a video that had spread to the region.”

And the lapdog media just can't stop humping a leg of lies.

It's weird, though, isn't it?

I mean, how Hollywood has been silent in its defense of the filmmaker Obama is currently scapegoating (and in some cases, Hollywood is grabbing a torch), even as they embrace Bill Maher.

Well, I guess some anti-Islamic filmmakers are more equal than others.

And thank heavens, we have Barack Obama to tell us who the more equal ones are.

[Monker]

Yeah, great question coming from somebody who says we knew about this weeks in advance.

Al Qaeda says attack on US consulate in Libya 'revenge' for the death of its 2nd man - @AFP



34 mins agofrom www.dailytelegraph.com.au by editor

So it wasn't the movie????????

Hmmmmm, who to trust now, Hillary or Al Qaeda?

[conversationpc]

Yeah, great question coming from somebody who says we knew about this weeks in advance.

I've not heard anyone say we knew about it weeks in advance. 48 hours is what I've heard. That's two days for those who can't count more than three fingers.

[Monker]

Yeah, great question coming from somebody who says we knew about this weeks in advance.

I've not heard anyone say we knew about it weeks in advance. 48 hours is what I've heard. That's two days for those who can't count more than three fingers.

I just threw out a number...just skimmed by those few posts of propaganda.

The point still stands. If we knew about the threat days in advance, we knew the reason behind it.

Are you actually defending somebody who feels the need to compare the US government to Al Queda? You guys are so desperate to find ANY critique....when you KNOW your guy is losing the battle.

[Behshad]

Yeah, great question coming from somebody who says we knew about this weeks in advance.

I've not heard anyone say we knew about it weeks in advance. 48 hours is what I've heard. That's two days for those who can't count more than three fingers.

I just threw out a number...just skimmed by those few posts of propaganda.

The point still stands. If we knew about the threat days in advance, we knew the reason behind it.

Are you actually defending somebody who feels the need to compare the US government to Al Queda? You guys are so desperate to find ANY critique....when you KNOW your guy is losing the battle.

Think about it, what else can they do ? Are you surprised ? They're gonna say anything and everything in this country is wrong as long as we have a democrat president.

[conversationpc]

Are you actually defending somebody who feels the need to compare the US government to Al Queda?

What the hell are you blathering about? If someone here said that, I didn't read it. I was only responding to you.

[conversationpc]

Think about it, what else can they do ? Are you surprised ? They're gonna say anything and everything in this country is wrong as long as we have a democrat president.

So when I thought Bush's overspending on the Medicare prescription program was wrong, that was just because I thought he was a Democrat? Or when his Administration was prosecuting innocent border guards? Or when his administration wasn't prosecuting the war on terror appropriately and inappropriately restraining our troops with rules of engagement that basically handcuffed them? Or about the crap legislation called the Patriot Act? Or...You get the point.

[Behshad]

Think about it, what else can they do ? Are you surprised ? They're gonna say anything and everything in this country is wrong as long as we have a democrat president.

So when I thought Bush's overspending on the Medicare prescription program was wrong, that was just because I thought he was a Democrat? Or when his Administration was prosecuting innocent border guards? Or when his administration wasn't prosecuting the war on terror appropriately and inappropriately restraining our troops with rules of engagement that basically handcuffed them? Or about the crap legislation called the Patriot Act? Or...You get the point.

Show me where you complained about Bush WHILE he was in office

[Gideon]

Further proof that the greatest success of the dominant parties has been convincing the public that politics takes place in a vacuum.

[slucero]

both parties want people to focus their hate on the "other party".....

When both parties have been responsible for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... W5IdwltaAc

..which we all should be more angry about... and should hold both parties accountable for...

[Gideon]

both parties want people to focus their hate on the "other party".....

When both parties have been responsible for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... W5IdwltaAc

..which we all should be more angry about... and should hold both parties accountable for...

Right. The Republican/Democrat drama this election year centers around holding Obama responsible for a crisis that "began" during the Bush regime (though, with respect to the military snafus, its point of origin is at least during the Clinton years-- he slashed defense spending to balance the budget). Whether or not he's made the situation worse is up for debate. Fact Finder and Behshad are living proof that you can find seemingly authoritative but mutually exclusive reports that support or oppose that line of thought.

[Behshad]

both parties want people to focus their hate on the "other party".....

When both parties have been responsible for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... W5IdwltaAc

..which we all should be more angry about... and should hold both parties accountable for...

Right. The Republican/Democrat drama this election year centers around holding Obama responsible for a crisis that "began" during the Bush regime (though, with respect to the military snafus, its point of origin is at least during the Clinton years-- he slashed defense spending to balance the budget). Whether or not he's made the situation worse is up for debate. Fact Finder and Behshad are living proof that you can find seemingly authoritative but mutually exclusive reports that support or oppose that line of thought.

I don't go by a party. Bush Sr was an excellent Preseident. And I would consider voting republican if they had a decent candidate this time around. Romney & Ryan would totally destroy this country , not because they represent the republican party but because if they ideas that represents them as candidates.
I give credit to Obama for what he has managed to accomplish and I know he is trying to help the people. Something Romney would not even consider. Ron Paul would've been a much better candidate.

The pics I post is just to mess with FactFinder

[AR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07w9K2XR3f0

[Gideon]

both parties want people to focus their hate on the "other party".....

When both parties have been responsible for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... W5IdwltaAc

..which we all should be more angry about... and should hold both parties accountable for...

Right. The Republican/Democrat drama this election year centers around holding Obama responsible for a crisis that "began" during the Bush regime (though, with respect to the military snafus, its point of origin is at least during the Clinton years-- he slashed defense spending to balance the budget). Whether or not he's made the situation worse is up for debate. Fact Finder and Behshad are living proof that you can find seemingly authoritative but mutually exclusive reports that support or oppose that line of thought.

I don't go by a party. Bush Sr was an excellent Preseident. And I would consider voting republican if they had a decent candidate this time around. Romney & Ryan would totally destroy this country , not because they represent the republican party but because if they ideas that represents them as candidates.
I give credit to Obama for what he has managed to accomplish and I know he is trying to help the people. Something Romney would not even consider. Ron Paul would've been a much better candidate.

The pics I post is just to mess with FactFinder

What I meant by your war with FactFinder is that it's pretty easy to find convincing studies on the internet that say Obama has bolstered the economy as well as studies that say otherwise. It's extremely difficult to separate fact from fiction these days with the flood of information at our disposal.

[slucero]

both parties want people to focus their hate on the "other party".....

When both parties have been responsible for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... W5IdwltaAc

..which we all should be more angry about... and should hold both parties accountable for...

Right. The Republican/Democrat drama this election year centers around holding Obama responsible for a crisis that "began" during the Bush regime (though, with respect to the military snafus, its point of origin is at least during the Clinton years-- he slashed defense spending to balance the budget). Whether or not he's made the situation worse is up for debate. Fact Finder and Behshad are living proof that you can find seemingly authoritative but mutually exclusive reports that support or oppose that line of thought.

I don't go by a party. Bush Sr was an excellent Preseident. And I would consider voting republican if they had a decent candidate this time around. Romney & Ryan would totally destroy this country , not because they represent the republican party but because if they ideas that represents them as candidates.
I give credit to Obama for what he has managed to accomplish and I know he is trying to help the people. Something Romney would not even consider. Ron Paul would've been a much better candidate.

The pics I post is just to mess with FactFinder

Romney and Ryan would do no better, or worse than Obama and Biden... hell Romney is "Obama light" ,,, and all are politicians.. NOT public servants...

It is CONGRESS that makes law.. and SPENDS OUR MONEY.... not who is in the Oval Office... yet people focus on the POTUS, like a deer on headlights...

Until people realize that:

1. BOTH parties view themselves as omnipotent, and
2. have taken steps to ensure that they remain so.. and
3. there needs to be a total housecleaning in CONGRESS, bringing about real change with a 3rd party that is only beholden to The People...

we'll get "more of the same", and everyone will still be taking sides, and arguing about parties, ad nauseum... just like ya'll have been in this thread.. forever..

omnipotent
adjective
1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.
2. having very great or unlimited authority or power.

That's what the parties want... and keeping Joe American choosing sides is how they keep him from from seeing the truth..


Watch the video. That's the political reality of years of the same parties..

[Gideon]

Hell yeah; the general population would fail civics 101. They think the three branches of government is a euphemism for an ugly, rotting tree that sits outside the Oval Office window.

[conversationpc]

Think about it, what else can they do ? Are you surprised ? They're gonna say anything and everything in this country is wrong as long as we have a democrat president.

So when I thought Bush's overspending on the Medicare prescription program was wrong, that was just because I thought he was a Democrat? Or when his Administration was prosecuting innocent border guards? Or when his administration wasn't prosecuting the war on terror appropriately and inappropriately restraining our troops with rules of engagement that basically handcuffed them? Or about the crap legislation called the Patriot Act? Or...You get the point.

Show me where you complained about Bush WHILE he was in office

Give me a break. I complained about all those things I mentioned above while Bush was still in office. Anyone who's been involved in this thread and the various before it should be able to vouch for that unless they have a selective memory.

Anyway...Here are a couple of selections from my blog that mention at least two of these topics. Keep in mind I didn't even start blogging regularly until the latter end of 2008.

Patriot Act...I've commented numerous times about how bad this law is on Facebook but here's a link to a blog article where I mention it. http://davesdominion.wordpress.com/2008 ... in-the-us/

The Ramos & Compean case... http://davesdominion.wordpress.com/2008 ... f-justice/

BTW...You can drop the from all of your posts. We all know you're not kidding.

[Liam]

[slucero]

Hell yeah; the general population would fail civics 101. They think the three branches of government is a euphemism for an ugly, rotting tree that sits outside the Oval Office window.

+1

[Rick]

Hell yeah; the general population would fail civics 101. They think the three branches of government is a euphemism for an ugly, rotting tree that sits outside the Oval Office window.

+1

I might not do so well in Civics 101, but I'm great at Geometry. I know where everything is.

[steveo777]

I heard from a reliable source that GM is still not truly out of the woods and will be asking for enhanced bailouts, will have to wait until after the election. Shhhhhhh! Dodge and GM's full size truck sales represent 44% of the market share combined, while Ford has 56% all by themselves, YTD.

[RPM]

I find it amazing that of all the people in this country, we are left with these two choices.
It seems the ones with there hands up saying pick me are some of the last ones you want,
and who you would really like to choose wants nothing to do with the job.

[AR]

I heard from a reliable source that GM is still not truly out of the woods and will be asking for enhanced bailouts, will have to wait until after the election. Shhhhhhh! Dodge and GM's full size truck sales represent 44% of the market share combined, while Ford has 56% all by themselves, YTD.

I'm convinced during the bailout that the U.S. government had something to do with the runaway Toyotas that were speeding out of control with no brakes.

[YoungJRNY]